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1. 12:59 AM - Re: RV-10 Project For Sale: Tail+QB Wings + QB Fuse (Patrick ONeill)
2. 06:10 AM - Re: Bonaco Fuel lines - selector to wing (pilotdds@aol.com)
3. 06:51 AM - Re: Bonaco Fuel lines - selector to wing (William Curtis)
4. 07:14 AM - Re: Bonaco Fuel lines - selector to wing (Kelly McMullen)
5. 04:12 PM - Re: Bonaco Fuel lines - selector to wing (Tim Olson)
6. 08:56 PM - Re: Bonaco Fuel lines - selector to wing (AirMike)
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| Subject: | RV-10 Project For Sale: Tail+QB Wings + QB Fuse |
I just wanted to post a quick follow up. My RV-10 kit #40715 is still for
sale.
The selling experience has proven to be rather frustrating and I have set a
price of $27,500 hoping to be done with it.
The kit is tail + QB Wings + QB Fuse. All kit parts included but no
additional systems. That's less than $1000 above a new slow build price but
puts you quite a bit further ahead than even a new QB kit.
Anyone interested or has questions feel free to contact off list.
Best Regards,
Patrick
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Patrick ONeill
Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2009 1:35 PM
Subject: RV10-List: RV-10 Project For Sale: Tail+QB Wings + QB Fuse
After much deliberation, I've decided to go ahead and sell my RV-10 project.
I've had very little time over the last 18 months to make much progress, and
due to work, it will probably be another 18-24 months before I can devote
any significant time. Rather than continue to live with airplane parts
filling in every room in the house until then, I'm putting the kit up for
sale.
I don't have any specific price in mind and I'm not in a rush, but anyone
interested is welcome to come see it or look through my photo gallery of the
build:
http://noimnotcrazy.com/gallery/
It was a QB Fuse+Wing, kit #40715. I did pull the floors out for inspection,
priming, and sound insulation, but otherwise is a stock build. Most pieces
were akzo primed, much of the tail was also alodined. Tailcone is attached.
The project is located in Southern California.
Anyone interested or have questions, feel free to contact me off list.
Best Regards,
Patrick
poneill@irealms.com
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| Subject: | Re: Bonaco Fuel lines - selector to wing |
I have replaced the lines to the fuel filter with the bonoco lines,Brett is great
to work with and maintanance of the filter is easier.-Jim 728DD
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From: AirMike <Mikeabel@Pacbell.net>
Sent: Fri, Jun 19, 2009 10:41 pm
Subject: RV10-List: Bonaco Fuel lines - selector to wing
Have you ever had a duhhhhh moment. Well I did today after receiving my Bonaco
fuel lines.
I cannot believe that I spent as much time as I did messing around with the Vans
aluminum fuel lines. I have no doubt that I have over 15 hours invested in those
aluminum lines that are now residing in the trash can. The 42" Bonaco lines are
a tad short if you run them exactly as Vans has it in the plans.
I drilled a new 1" hole in the tunnel wall creating a more direct route, and
they fit fine. The fit is fast and I have no doubt the they are much safer than
the hard aluminum lines. The lines are very well made and the SS web is even
covered with a thick plastic abrasion covering. For newbies getting into the
tunnel area save hours of work and just order up these lines. Faster - safer -
better. If you have any questions, e-mail me on this web site or call Brett at
Bonaco.
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OSH '08 or Bust (busted) be there in "09
Q/B Kit - FWF end game
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| Subject: | Re: Bonaco Fuel lines - selector to wing |
As long as you remember that flexible lines require periodic
replacement-every 5 years or so, hard lines do not. Faster--yes,
safer--no, better-- that is a matters of opinion.
Not sure why it took 15 hours to do the brake lines. If I remember I think
I did mine early on (right after Chapter 28) when the fuselage was still
opened up. Took about 2 hours. This may be better advice than going with
more expensive flexible lines that require periodic maintenance. YMMV.
William
http://nerv10.com/
On Sat, Jun 20, 2009 at 1:41 AM, AirMike <Mikeabel@pacbell.net> wrote:
>
> Have you ever had a duhhhhh moment. Well I did today after receiving my
> Bonaco fuel lines.
>
> I cannot believe that I spent as much time as I did messing around with the
> Vans aluminum fuel lines. I have no doubt that I have over 15 hours invested
> in those aluminum lines that are now residing in the trash can. The 42"
> Bonaco lines are a tad short if you run them exactly as Vans has it in the
> plans.
>
> I drilled a new 1" hole in the tunnel wall creating a more direct route,
> and they fit fine. The fit is fast and I have no doubt the they are much
> safer than the hard aluminum lines. The lines are very well made and the SS
> web is even covered with a thick plastic abrasion covering. For newbies
> getting into the tunnel area save hours of work and just order up these
> lines. Faster - safer - better. If you have any questions, e-mail me on this
> web site or call Brett at Bonaco.
>
> --------
> OSH '08 or Bust (busted) be there in "09
> Q/B Kit - FWF end game
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=249191#249191
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Bonaco Fuel lines - selector to wing |
Flexible lines lifetime depends on both the material they are constructed
from and their environment. Engine hoses of convention rubber core with
steel braiding are very life limited because of the engine heat and
vibration. The same hose used for a brake line or wing to fuel selector line
will have more like triple the engine hose life. Teflon core hoses have no
life limit, just condition. Hard or flexible depends on the need to flex and
the difficulty of installation. Hard aluminum lines that flex regularly will
not last. So, it all depends.
On Sat, Jun 20, 2009 at 6:50 AM, William Curtis <wwc4@njit.edu> wrote:
> As long as you remember that flexible lines require periodic
> replacement-every 5 years or so, hard lines do not. Faster--yes,
> safer--no, better-- that is a matters of opinion.
>
> Not sure why it took 15 hours to do the brake lines. If I remember I think
> I did mine early on (right after Chapter 28) when the fuselage was still
> opened up. Took about 2 hours. This may be better advice than going with
> more expensive flexible lines that require periodic maintenance. YMMV.
>
> William
> http://nerv10.com/
>
> On Sat, Jun 20, 2009 at 1:41 AM, AirMike <Mikeabel@pacbell.net> wrote:
>
>>
>> Have you ever had a duhhhhh moment. Well I did today after receiving my
>> Bonaco fuel lines.
>>
>> I cannot believe that I spent as much time as I did messing around with
>> the Vans aluminum fuel lines. I have no doubt that I have over 15 hours
>> invested in those aluminum lines that are now residing in the trash can. The
>> 42" Bonaco lines are a tad short if you run them exactly as Vans has it in
>> the plans.
>>
>> I drilled a new 1" hole in the tunnel wall creating a more direct
>> route, and they fit fine. The fit is fast and I have no doubt the they are
>> much safer than the hard aluminum lines. The lines are very well made and
>> the SS web is even covered with a thick plastic abrasion covering. For
>> newbies getting into the tunnel area save hours of work and just order up
>> these lines. Faster - safer - better. If you have any questions, e-mail me
>> on this web site or call Brett at Bonaco.
>>
>> --------
>> OSH '08 or Bust (busted) be there in "09
>> Q/B Kit - FWF end game
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=249191#249191
>>
>> *
>
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>
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| Subject: | Re: Bonaco Fuel lines - selector to wing |
Bonaco's are Teflon, correct? I didn't want to take the time to get the
measurement and have aftermarket hoses made up while I was first
building, so I used some Aeroquip racing hose and put on my own
ends. I figure I'll fly it for 5-8 years and then sometime along
that period I'll get motivated to yank the lines out and replace
them with Bonaco Teflon/SS braid lines because then I'll never
touch them again. In that particular application, they would
basically never need replacement for the life of the plane.
Using flex lines was a very big no-brainer after fighting
with the aluminum lines, as far as I'm concerned. There were
many bends in the aluminum lines that despite using a
good tubing bender left me worried that I was seeing some
sort of stress cracking in the aluminum. I think maybe
they must have had a bad batch of tubing for a while
because there were definite differences in tubing over
a couple of various orders I placed....and I really just
don't think fuel lines is a place to screw around with
quality issues. I'm actually planning to replace the lines
going forward of the fuel selector with Teflon when I do
the others, too...and just go teflon 100% of the fuel path
to the engine.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
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Kelly McMullen wrote:
> Flexible lines lifetime depends on both the material they are
> constructed from and their environment. Engine hoses of convention
> rubber core with steel braiding are very life limited because of the
> engine heat and vibration. The same hose used for a brake line or wing
> to fuel selector line will have more like triple the engine hose life.
> Teflon core hoses have no life limit, just condition. Hard or flexible
> depends on the need to flex and the difficulty of installation. Hard
> aluminum lines that flex regularly will not last. So, it all depends.
>
> On Sat, Jun 20, 2009 at 6:50 AM, William Curtis <wwc4@njit.edu
> <mailto:wwc4@njit.edu>> wrote:
>
> As long as you remember that flexible lines require periodic
> replacement-every 5 years or so, hard lines do not. Faster--yes,
> safer--no, better-- that is a matters of opinion.
>
> Not sure why it took 15 hours to do the brake lines. If I remember
> I think I did mine early on (right after Chapter 28) when the
> fuselage was still opened up. Took about 2 hours. This may be
> better advice than going with more expensive flexible lines that
> require periodic maintenance. YMMV.
>
> William
> http://nerv10.com/
>
> On Sat, Jun 20, 2009 at 1:41 AM, AirMike <Mikeabel@pacbell.net
> <mailto:Mikeabel@pacbell.net>> wrote:
>
>
> Have you ever had a duhhhhh moment. Well I did today after
> receiving my Bonaco fuel lines.
>
> I cannot believe that I spent as much time as I did messing
> around with the Vans aluminum fuel lines. I have no doubt that I
> have over 15 hours invested in those aluminum lines that are now
> residing in the trash can. The 42" Bonaco lines are a tad short
> if you run them exactly as Vans has it in the plans.
>
> I drilled a new 1" hole in the tunnel wall creating a more
> direct route, and they fit fine. The fit is fast and I have no
> doubt the they are much safer than the hard aluminum lines. The
> lines are very well made and the SS web is even covered with a
> thick plastic abrasion covering. For newbies getting into the
> tunnel area save hours of work and just order up these lines.
> Faster - safer - better. If you have any questions, e-mail me on
> this web site or call Brett at Bonaco.
>
> --------
> OSH '08 or Bust (busted) be there in "09
> Q/B Kit - FWF end game
>
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| Subject: | Re: Bonaco Fuel lines - selector to wing |
Amen Tim.......... especially on the stress cracking. Those lines have more bends
than a pot of elbow macaroni. If you check those bends out with a magnifier
they are pretty ugly.
If I was going hard lines, I would put a 90 degree fitting where the lines exit
the tunnel. Rah-Rah Bonaco :D :D :D :D
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OSH '08 or Bust (busted) be there someday
Q/B Kit - FWF end game
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