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1. 03:37 AM - Re: Hot weather (Wayne Edgerton)
2. 05:12 AM - Re: Starter replacementStarter replacement (Wayne Edgerton)
3. 05:25 AM - Re: Hot weather (gary)
4. 05:58 AM - Re: Hot weather (johngoodman)
5. 06:07 AM - Re: Hot weather (Tim Olson)
6. 06:13 AM - Re: Hot weather (Robert Brunkenhoefer)
7. 06:36 AM - Re: Hot weather (Kelly McMullen)
8. 06:37 AM - Re: Re: Hot weather (Robert Brunkenhoefer)
9. 07:17 AM - Re: Elevator travel vs. stick grip clearance (Bob and Karen Brown)
10. 07:53 AM - Re: Elevator travel vs. stick grip clearance (Michael Kraus)
11. 07:54 AM - Re: Elevator travel vs. stick grip clearance (gary)
12. 08:00 AM - Re: Elevator travel vs. stick grip clearance (ricksked@embarqmail.com)
13. 09:29 AM - Re: Hot weather (lbgjb10)
14. 09:46 AM - Re: Hot weather (John Cumins)
15. 09:52 AM - Re: Re: Hot weather (John Cumins)
16. 10:53 AM - Re: Elevator travel vs. stick grip clearance (Eagerlee)
17. 12:45 PM - Re: Elevator travel vs. stick grip clearance (Linn Walters)
18. 01:09 PM - Re: 2009 OSH RV-10 HQ Camping Info (bcondrey)
19. 01:23 PM - Re: Re: 2009 OSH RV-10 HQ Camping Info (Condrey, Bob (US SSA))
20. 01:41 PM - Re: Re: 2009 OSH RV-10 HQ Camping Info (Tim Olson)
21. 03:07 PM - Re: Hot weather (lbgjb10)
22. 03:40 PM - Re: Elevator travel vs. stick grip clearance (Jim)
23. 05:50 PM - Re: Bonaco Fuel lines - selector to wing (ThisOne)
24. 06:18 PM - Re: Re: Bonaco Fuel lines - selector to wing (Tim Olson)
25. 07:21 PM - FS: Avidyne EX-500 w/XM Weather (David Schaefer)
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I had sheep skin in both my Bonanza and Baron, like Deems said below,
and it solved the problem for me. If you look at the Corporate jet
jockeys that's what many of them have also. There's a fellow on my field
that could make a set for anyone that wanted them. He did my interior
and does good work.
Wayne Edgerton N602WT
Time: 04:14:11 PM PST US
From: Deems Davis <deemsdavis@cox.net>
Subject: Re: Hot weather
The Bonanza/Baron drivers have been using sheepskin covers for
this
purpose for years.
Deems Davis N519PJ
http://deemsrv10.com/
lbgjb10 wrote:
>
> Not blessed with A/C--it's hot and sweaty flying in Florida.
Love the leather
sets, but has anyone found a material that one can temp. cover the
leather to
prevent hot sweaty pilots form soaking the leather!!!! hot and
toasty larry
>
> --------
> Larry and Gayle N104LG
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=249411#249411
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Starter replacementStarter replacement |
Someone pointed out to me that in my post I said volts when I should
have said amps. oops. Below are a few of the differences between the
Sky-Tec NL & the HT model that I took out. As you can see the NL
requires less amps, thus easier to make it turn over, and turns at a
slower RPM, however the NL weighs in at about 1 lb more.
Wayne Edgerton N602WT
NL Model
HT Model
Current 125-185A @ 11V, 140 RPM Test
185-285A @ 11V, 160 RPM Test
Gear Reduction 6.5:1
4.3:1
Weight 9.4 lbs.
8.5 lbs
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of McGann,
Ron
Sent: Sunday, June 21, 2009 3:58 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Starter replacement
--> <Ron.McGann@thalesgroup.com.au>
For those flying, I would be keen to know how many more issues of
insufficient starter torque have been reported. I regularly need
to hold
the starter engaged for several seconds before the engine is
pushed through
compression (when the engine is cold). I was about to relace the
concorde
battery with an odyssey, but perhaps I need a higher torque
starter??
Cheers
Ron
VH-XRM
Flying in Oz
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Wayne
Edgerton
Sent: Friday, 19 June 2009 11:52 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Starter replacement
I don't know if any of you had the problem that I had with the
starter or
not. We installed the engine in 2005 with a Sky-Tec High Torque HT
starter,
which supposedly was the best one they had back then. Anyway,
whenever I
would do a cold start of the engine the prop would make about a
half
revolution and stop, like it didn't have enough power to it. I
would then
try again and it would turn fine.
Another RV friend of mine on my field told me about a new starter
that
Sky-Tec came out with that took less volts and turned the prop
slower.
It's a High Torque in Line NL. This friend was having the same
problem with
his 7, which has high compression pistons. We both switched to
this new NL
starter and it solved our problem. The new starter weighed a
little bit more
than my old one, something like a pound. I live in TX, so cold
isn't a
problem but I fly up into the cold country and was worried I
wasn't going to
get started on some cold day.
Sky-Tec are really good people located right here near me in
Granbury, TX
and they took my old starter in on trade against the new one and
it cost me
$250 to upgrade. I thought that was a pretty good deal.
Anyway I just thought I would pass this along in case any of you
are
experiencing the same problem as I had.
Wayne Edgerton
N602WT
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I don=92t mean to sound like a smarty pants, but why would you cover up
your
nice seats with a towel or sheep skin. If the heat is a problem
shouldn=92t
you pick another material for your seats? It just seams counter
productive
to put expensive leather in and then cover it up. Use a top quality
cloth
fabric and not have the heat issue. Fill me in here, I guess I am in
the
dark.
Gary Specketer
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Wayne
Edgerton
Sent: Monday, June 22, 2009 5:30 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Hot weather
I had sheep skin in both my Bonanza and Baron, like Deems said below,
and it
solved the problem for me. If you look at the Corporate jet jockeys
that's
what many of them have also. There's a fellow on my field that could
make a
set for anyone that wanted them. He did my interior and does good work.
Wayne Edgerton N602WT
Time:
04:14:11 PM PST US
From:
Deems Davis <deemsdavis@cox.net>
Subject:
Re: Hot weather
The Bonanza/Baron drivers have been using sheepskin covers for
this
purpose for years.
Deems Davis N519PJ
http://deemsrv10.com/
lbgjb10 wrote:
>
> Not blessed with A/C--it's hot and sweaty flying in Florida.
Love
the leather
sets, but has anyone found a material that one can temp. cover the
leather to
prevent hot sweaty pilots form soaking the leather!!!! hot and
toasty
larry
>
> --------
> Larry and Gayle N104LG
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=249411#249411
>
>
>
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That's not sweat - you're just "glowing" (g)
Have you considered one of those Chest Cooler portable air conditioners? You would
only need it during the Summer and it shouldn't be a weight issue for Florida
local flying.
John
--------
#40572 QB Fuselage, wings finished. Finish Kit started.
N711JG reserved
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=249495#249495
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I pondered this while I was choosing my seat fabric. The leather
looks really good, but I know how hot it gets on the thighs in
shorts in the summer, and how sweaty-a$$ doesn't always go well
with leather seats, so I used Faux leather on the outer panels,
but cloth in the center. It keeps it more comfortable in the
sun, and the fabric of course will be less prone to cracking
in the long run. Leather does look beautiful though...but
I'd feel bad covering it up all the time.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
do not archive
gary wrote:
> I dont mean to sound like a smarty pants, but why would you cover up
> your nice seats with a towel or sheep skin. If the heat is a problem
> shouldnt you pick another material for your seats? It just seams
> counter productive to put expensive leather in and then cover it up.
> Use a top quality cloth fabric and not have the heat issue. Fill me in
> here, I guess I am in the dark.
>
>
>
> Gary Specketer
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
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> *From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Wayne Edgerton
> *Sent:* Monday, June 22, 2009 5:30 AM
> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* Re: RV10-List: Hot weather
>
>
>
> I had sheep skin in both my Bonanza and Baron, like Deems said below,
> and it solved the problem for me. If you look at the Corporate jet
> jockeys that's what many of them have also. There's a fellow on my field
> that could make a set for anyone that wanted them. He did my interior
> and does good work.
>
>
>
> Wayne Edgerton N602WT
>
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> */_Re: Hot weather_/*
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> The Bonanza/Baron drivers have been using sheepskin covers for this
> purpose for years.
>
> Deems Davis N519PJ
> http://deemsrv10.com/
>
> lbgjb10 wrote:
> >
> > Not blessed with A/C--it's hot and sweaty flying in Florida.
> Love the leather
> sets, but has anyone found a material that one can temp. cover the
> leather to
> prevent hot sweaty pilots form soaking the leather!!!! hot and
> toasty larry
> >
> > --------
> > Larry and Gayle N104LG
> >
> >
> > Read this topic online here:
> >
> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=249411#249411
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When I had my seats made the bottom was sheep fur. It get really hot
in corpus Christi, but this takes care of it.
Sent from my iPhone
Robert E. Brunkenhoefer
Brunkenhoefer Law Firm, P.C.
520 Lawrence St.
Corpus Christi, Texas 78401
Phone: 361-888-8808
Facsimile: 361-888-6753
robert@brunklaw.com
On Jun 22, 2009, at 5:30 AM, "Wayne Edgerton" <wayne.e@grandecom.net>
wrote:
> I had sheep skin in both my Bonanza and Baron, like Deems said
> below, and it solved the problem for me. If you look at the
> Corporate jet jockeys that's what many of them have also. There's a
> fellow on my field that could make a set for anyone that wanted
> them. He did my interior and does good work.
>
> Wayne Edgerton N602WT
>
>
> Time: 04:14:11 PM PST US
> From: Deems Davis <deemsdavis@cox.net>
> Subject: Re: Hot weather
>
>
> The Bonanza/Baron drivers have been using sheepskin covers for
> this
> purpose for years.
>
> Deems Davis N519PJ
> http://deemsrv10.com/
>
> lbgjb10 wrote:
> >
> > Not blessed with A/C--it's hot and sweaty flying in
> Florida. Love the leather
> sets, but has anyone found a material that one can temp. cover
> the leather to
> prevent hot sweaty pilots form soaking the leather!!!! hot
> and toasty larry
> >
> > --------
> > Larry and Gayle N104LG
> >
> >
> > Read this topic online here:
> >
> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=249411#249411
> >
> >
> >
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Downside to cloth seats is that it is difficult to clean. Having leather
with a throwover cloth cover allows for easy cleaning, and only use cover
for temperatures that the leather isn't comfortable.
On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 6:04 AM, Tim Olson <Tim@myrv10.com> wrote:
>
> I pondered this while I was choosing my seat fabric. The leather
> looks really good, but I know how hot it gets on the thighs in
> shorts in the summer, and how sweaty-a$$ doesn't always go well
> with leather seats, so I used Faux leather on the outer panels,
> but cloth in the center. It keeps it more comfortable in the
> sun, and the fabric of course will be less prone to cracking
> in the long run. Leather does look beautiful though...but
> I'd feel bad covering it up all the time.
>
> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
> do not archive
>
>
> gary wrote:
>
>> I don=92t mean to sound like a smarty pants, but why would you cover up
your
>> nice seats with a towel or sheep skin. If the heat is a problem shouldn
=92t
>> you pick another material for your seats? It just seams counter product
ive
>> to put expensive leather in and then cover it up. Use a top quality clo
th
>> fabric and not have the heat issue. Fill me in here, I guess I am in th
e
>> dark.
>>
>>
>> Gary Specketer
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> *From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:
>> owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Wayne Edgerton
>> *Sent:* Monday, June 22, 2009 5:30 AM
>> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com
>> *Subject:* Re: RV10-List: Hot weather
>>
>>
>> I had sheep skin in both my Bonanza and Baron, like Deems said below, an
d
>> it solved the problem for me. If you look at the Corporate jet jockeys
>> that's what many of them have also. There's a fellow on my field that co
uld
>> make a set for anyone that wanted them. He did my interior and does good
>> work.
>>
>>
>> Wayne Edgerton N602WT
>>
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>> */Deems Davis <deemsdavis@cox.net <mailto:deemsdavis@cox.net>>/*
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>> *Subject: *
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>>
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>> */_Re: Hot weather_/*
>>
>> The Bonanza/Baron drivers have been using sheepskin covers
>> for this
>> purpose for years.
>> Deems Davis N519PJ
>> http://deemsrv10.com/
>> lbgjb10 wrote:
>> >
>> > Not blessed with A/C--it's hot and sweaty flying in Florida. Lov
e
>> the leather
>> sets, but has anyone found a material that one can temp. cover the
>> leather to
>> prevent hot sweaty pilots form soaking the leather!!!! hot and
>> toasty larry
>> >
>> > --------
>> > Larry and Gayle N104LG
>> >
>> >
>> > Read this topic online here:
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>> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=249411#249411
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I have a cooler type a/c I bought for my cardinal . It works great.
Want to buy it?
Sent from my iPhone
Robert E. Brunkenhoefer
Brunkenhoefer Law Firm, P.C.
520 Lawrence St.
Corpus Christi, Texas 78401
Phone: 361-888-8808
Facsimile: 361-888-6753
robert@brunklaw.com
On Jun 22, 2009, at 7:55 AM, "johngoodman" <johngoodman@earthlink.net>
wrote:
> >
>
> That's not sweat - you're just "glowing" (g)
>
> Have you considered one of those Chest Cooler portable air
> conditioners? You would only need it during the Summer and it
> shouldn't be a weight issue for Florida local flying.
>
> John
>
> --------
> #40572 QB Fuselage, wings finished. Finish Kit started.
> N711JG reserved
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=249495#249495
>
>
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| Subject: | Elevator travel vs. stick grip clearance |
Deems, good on you for making sure things were/are as they should be. Your
DAR sounds like my original FAA inspector, Mike Robertson who has since left
the Hillsboro, OR FSDO for Spokane. His inspection of my airplane took
almost three hours, he showed up with a toolkit and used lights, a creeper
and I have a picture of him in my airplane with him upside down and his feet
out the side...
Contrast that with a presentation we had recently at our EAA Chapter by the
new FAA guys from Hillsboro...a recent inspection of my friend's RV took
less than 10 minutes...their position now is that THEY are not responsible
for whether or not the plane is built correctly...you are. They are here to
inspect whether or not your paperwork is in order...that's it. Some people
like it, I don't.
Bob Brown
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Deems Davis
Sent: Sunday, June 21, 2009 9:04 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Elevator travel vs. stick grip clearance
I had been warned by others on the field that my DAR was a stickler for
control systems. And I made sure that there was no interference with the
grips in all extreme quadrants before the inspection. During the
inspection (Yes he checked all the extremes) We discussed this part of
the inspection, and he echoed the points that Dave relates. His view was
that if an emergency develops and you loose your engine and or you
prop, if you still have FULL control of your aircraft, you stand a
better chance of survival. Unexpected situations can and will develop
(runaway/stuck trim), when they do, we want the FULL CAPABILITIES OF THE
AIRCRAFT at our disposal, not just a portion of them.
Deems Davis
Dave Saylor wrote:
> We inspect a lot of homebuilts that come in with some sort of issue
> with control travel. It's not generally the easiest thing to fix.
>
> Usually, the owners argue that you don't really need full control
> deflection because if you used it, the result would be a pretty wild ride.
>
> But the little blue line on your airspeed indicator (125 knots) is the
> highest speed that the engineers came up with for being able to do
> exactly that--full deflection, without structural damage. They must
> have had some scenario in mind. Granted, it won't happen in blue sky
> cruise, but when things go bad you want to know what your limitations
> are, and you want as much in your favor as possible.
>
> I think a more likely scenario is on take-off or landing, at much
> lower speeds, when the controls aren't as effective. I was just
> reading a report about an engine failure and subsequent long landing.
> The pilot used every bit of skill and likely a lot of control
> deflection, to do what needed to be done. Things got hairy after he
> had slowed quite a bit, but still had aerodynamic control, and had to
> avoid some obstacles.
>
> I always advise people to get as much control travel as allowable.
> --
> Dave Saylor
> AirCrafters LLC
> 140 Aviation Way
> Watsonville, CA 95076
> 831-722-9141 Shop
> 831-750-0284 Cell
> *
>
>
> *
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| Subject: | Re: Elevator travel vs. stick grip clearance |
FAA's position has always been one of paperwork, not airworthiness, at
least here in SE Michigan. He checked for secure engine mounts,
accessability to the fuel selector ( high priofile accident) and
placarding. Rest is up to you...... The 3 I were involved took about
1 hour each, with 50 minutes of small talk.... That is why you use
the EAA technical counselors and all your plane friends to review your
work.
Sent from my iPhone
On Jun 22, 2009, at 10:13 AM, "Bob and Karen Brown" <bkbrown@minetfiber.com
> wrote:
> >
>
> Deems, good on you for making sure things were/are as they should
> be. Your
> DAR sounds like my original FAA inspector, Mike Robertson who has
> since left
> the Hillsboro, OR FSDO for Spokane. His inspection of my airplane
> took
> almost three hours, he showed up with a toolkit and used lights, a
> creeper
> and I have a picture of him in my airplane with him upside down and
> his feet
> out the side...
>
> Contrast that with a presentation we had recently at our EAA Chapter
> by the
> new FAA guys from Hillsboro...a recent inspection of my friend's RV
> took
> less than 10 minutes...their position now is that THEY are not
> responsible
> for whether or not the plane is built correctly...you are. They are
> here to
> inspect whether or not your paperwork is in order...that's it. Some
> people
> like it, I don't.
>
> Bob Brown
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Deems Davis
> Sent: Sunday, June 21, 2009 9:04 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Elevator travel vs. stick grip clearance
>
>
> I had been warned by others on the field that my DAR was a stickler
> for
> control systems. And I made sure that there was no interference with
> the
> grips in all extreme quadrants before the inspection. During the
> inspection (Yes he checked all the extremes) We discussed this part of
> the inspection, and he echoed the points that Dave relates. His view
> was
> that if an emergency develops and you loose your engine and or you
> prop, if you still have FULL control of your aircraft, you stand a
> better chance of survival. Unexpected situations can and will develop
> (runaway/stuck trim), when they do, we want the FULL CAPABILITIES OF
> THE
> AIRCRAFT at our disposal, not just a portion of them.
>
> Deems Davis
>
> Dave Saylor wrote:
>> We inspect a lot of homebuilts that come in with some sort of issue
>> with control travel. It's not generally the easiest thing to fix.
>>
>> Usually, the owners argue that you don't really need full control
>> deflection because if you used it, the result would be a pretty
>> wild ride.
>>
>> But the little blue line on your airspeed indicator (125 knots) is
>> the
>> highest speed that the engineers came up with for being able to do
>> exactly that--full deflection, without structural damage. They must
>> have had some scenario in mind. Granted, it won't happen in blue sky
>> cruise, but when things go bad you want to know what your limitations
>> are, and you want as much in your favor as possible.
>>
>> I think a more likely scenario is on take-off or landing, at much
>> lower speeds, when the controls aren't as effective. I was just
>> reading a report about an engine failure and subsequent long landing.
>> The pilot used every bit of skill and likely a lot of control
>> deflection, to do what needed to be done. Things got hairy after he
>> had slowed quite a bit, but still had aerodynamic control, and had to
>> avoid some obstacles.
>>
>> I always advise people to get as much control travel as allowable.
>> --
>> Dave Saylor
>> AirCrafters LLC
>> 140 Aviation Way
>> Watsonville, CA 95076
>> 831-722-9141 Shop
>> 831-750-0284 Cell
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| Subject: | Elevator travel vs. stick grip clearance |
This is even more reason to rely heavily on your Tech Counselor.
Gary Specketer
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob and Karen
Brown
Sent: Monday, June 22, 2009 9:14 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Elevator travel vs. stick grip clearance
<bkbrown@minetfiber.com>
Deems, good on you for making sure things were/are as they should be. Your
DAR sounds like my original FAA inspector, Mike Robertson who has since left
the Hillsboro, OR FSDO for Spokane. His inspection of my airplane took
almost three hours, he showed up with a toolkit and used lights, a creeper
and I have a picture of him in my airplane with him upside down and his feet
out the side...
Contrast that with a presentation we had recently at our EAA Chapter by the
new FAA guys from Hillsboro...a recent inspection of my friend's RV took
less than 10 minutes...their position now is that THEY are not responsible
for whether or not the plane is built correctly...you are. They are here to
inspect whether or not your paperwork is in order...that's it. Some people
like it, I don't.
Bob Brown
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Deems Davis
Sent: Sunday, June 21, 2009 9:04 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Elevator travel vs. stick grip clearance
I had been warned by others on the field that my DAR was a stickler for
control systems. And I made sure that there was no interference with the
grips in all extreme quadrants before the inspection. During the
inspection (Yes he checked all the extremes) We discussed this part of
the inspection, and he echoed the points that Dave relates. His view was
that if an emergency develops and you loose your engine and or you
prop, if you still have FULL control of your aircraft, you stand a
better chance of survival. Unexpected situations can and will develop
(runaway/stuck trim), when they do, we want the FULL CAPABILITIES OF THE
AIRCRAFT at our disposal, not just a portion of them.
Deems Davis
Dave Saylor wrote:
> We inspect a lot of homebuilts that come in with some sort of issue
> with control travel. It's not generally the easiest thing to fix.
>
> Usually, the owners argue that you don't really need full control
> deflection because if you used it, the result would be a pretty wild ride.
>
> But the little blue line on your airspeed indicator (125 knots) is the
> highest speed that the engineers came up with for being able to do
> exactly that--full deflection, without structural damage. They must
> have had some scenario in mind. Granted, it won't happen in blue sky
> cruise, but when things go bad you want to know what your limitations
> are, and you want as much in your favor as possible.
>
> I think a more likely scenario is on take-off or landing, at much
> lower speeds, when the controls aren't as effective. I was just
> reading a report about an engine failure and subsequent long landing.
> The pilot used every bit of skill and likely a lot of control
> deflection, to do what needed to be done. Things got hairy after he
> had slowed quite a bit, but still had aerodynamic control, and had to
> avoid some obstacles.
>
> I always advise people to get as much control travel as allowable.
> --
> Dave Saylor
> AirCrafters LLC
> 140 Aviation Way
> Watsonville, CA 95076
> 831-722-9141 Shop
> 831-750-0284 Cell
> *
>
>
> *
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| Subject: | Re: Elevator travel vs. stick grip clearance |
Mel Asberry did my inspection and the paperwork was very minimal. He spent almost
four hours going my aircraft. When he wasn't finding anything I started to
feel pretty good...I had a loose jamb nut on the left aileron bellcrank, cabin
heat wasn't labeled fwd/aft and purge valve wasn't labeled. As far as this stick
grip issue I think everyone is missing the point. In the builders manual you
are given maximum deflection for all control surfaces. Check the amount of
full down and you may find that at that point the grips won't hit the panel. FWIW
too much throw can be a problem as well. Full down is more important than
some give it credit. Engine loss on take off requires immediate/fast application
of full down to arrest the climb and establish best glide. Done properly and
altitude loss will be minimal during the transition to best glide...try it
at altitude and work to see how much altitude you can save during the maneuver...done
right and it will be almost no loss but it will require aggressive and
full application of down elevator
Rick Sked
N246RS
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-----Original Message-----
From: "Bob and Karen Brown" <bkbrown@minetfiber.com>
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Elevator travel vs. stick grip clearance
Deems, good on you for making sure things were/are as they should be. Your
DAR sounds like my original FAA inspector, Mike Robertson who has since left
the Hillsboro, OR FSDO for Spokane. His inspection of my airplane took
almost three hours, he showed up with a toolkit and used lights, a creeper
and I have a picture of him in my airplane with him upside down and his feet
out the side...
Contrast that with a presentation we had recently at our EAA Chapter by the
new FAA guys from Hillsboro...a recent inspection of my friend's RV took
less than 10 minutes...their position now is that THEY are not responsible
for whether or not the plane is built correctly...you are. They are here to
inspect whether or not your paperwork is in order...that's it. Some people
like it, I don't.
Bob Brown
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Deems Davis
Sent: Sunday, June 21, 2009 9:04 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Elevator travel vs. stick grip clearance
I had been warned by others on the field that my DAR was a stickler for
control systems. And I made sure that there was no interference with the
grips in all extreme quadrants before the inspection. During the
inspection (Yes he checked all the extremes) We discussed this part of
the inspection, and he echoed the points that Dave relates. His view was
that if an emergency develops and you loose your engine and or you
prop, if you still have FULL control of your aircraft, you stand a
better chance of survival. Unexpected situations can and will develop
(runaway/stuck trim), when they do, we want the FULL CAPABILITIES OF THE
AIRCRAFT at our disposal, not just a portion of them.
Deems Davis
Dave Saylor wrote:
> We inspect a lot of homebuilts that come in with some sort of issue
> with control travel. It's not generally the easiest thing to fix.
>
> Usually, the owners argue that you don't really need full control
> deflection because if you used it, the result would be a pretty wild ride.
>
> But the little blue line on your airspeed indicator (125 knots) is the
> highest speed that the engineers came up with for being able to do
> exactly that--full deflection, without structural damage. They must
> have had some scenario in mind. Granted, it won't happen in blue sky
> cruise, but when things go bad you want to know what your limitations
> are, and you want as much in your favor as possible.
>
> I think a more likely scenario is on take-off or landing, at much
> lower speeds, when the controls aren't as effective. I was just
> reading a report about an engine failure and subsequent long landing.
> The pilot used every bit of skill and likely a lot of control
> deflection, to do what needed to be done. Things got hairy after he
> had slowed quite a bit, but still had aerodynamic control, and had to
> avoid some obstacles.
>
> I always advise people to get as much control travel as allowable.
> --
> Dave Saylor
> AirCrafters LLC
> 140 Aviation Way
> Watsonville, CA 95076
> 831-722-9141 Shop
> 831-750-0284 Cell
> *
>
>
> *
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Firstly, thanks for all the great responses. One thing I've learned is that getting
in and 'sliding' down, without leather I get one giant wedgie!!! So I like
the leather overall. I've tried the cooler type A/C and frankly it's a PIA
and doesn't cool enuf. I'll look into the vests-I wonder how comfortable they
would be sitting (things gouging in your back??) I've used them at work (standing)
and they do work, but someone else was taking care of all the equipment!!
I'll try the terry cloth--would love to have something like a 'sock' that
would slide over rear seat once in. I've looked on line at the A/C portable
unit that will work on 12v, but really would like to see it in action, and not
sure it will have umph to blow air from the baggage compartment forward.
Just got back from short trip to NC, 75 degrees at 6000, 72% power and oil temp
187 max,190 in climb. Large oil cooler and louvers work wonders. larry b
--------
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What we did in the Saratoga was sheep skin centers and the rest leather
worked out great. And here in California we do see a lot of HOT summers.
John G. Cumins
40864 Getting ready to pick up wings kits in a few weeks.
Your Total Technology Solution Provider
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Sent: Monday, June 22, 2009 6:05 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Hot weather
I pondered this while I was choosing my seat fabric. The leather
looks really good, but I know how hot it gets on the thighs in
shorts in the summer, and how sweaty-a$$ doesn't always go well
with leather seats, so I used Faux leather on the outer panels,
but cloth in the center. It keeps it more comfortable in the
sun, and the fabric of course will be less prone to cracking
in the long run. Leather does look beautiful though...but
I'd feel bad covering it up all the time.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
do not archive
gary wrote:
> I don't mean to sound like a smarty pants, but why would you cover up
> your nice seats with a towel or sheep skin. If the heat is a problem
> shouldn't you pick another material for your seats? It just seams
> counter productive to put expensive leather in and then cover it up.
> Use a top quality cloth fabric and not have the heat issue. Fill me in
> here, I guess I am in the dark.
>
>
> Gary Specketer
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> *From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Wayne
Edgerton
> *Sent:* Monday, June 22, 2009 5:30 AM
> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* Re: RV10-List: Hot weather
>
>
> I had sheep skin in both my Bonanza and Baron, like Deems said below,
> and it solved the problem for me. If you look at the Corporate jet
> jockeys that's what many of them have also. There's a fellow on my field
> that could make a set for anyone that wanted them. He did my interior
> and does good work.
>
>
> Wayne Edgerton N602WT
>
>
> *Time: *
>
>
> */04:14:11 PM PST US/*
>
>
> *From: *
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>
> */Deems Davis <deemsdavis@cox.net <mailto:deemsdavis@cox.net>>/*
>
>
> *Subject: *
>
>
> */_Re: Hot weather_/*
>
>
> The Bonanza/Baron drivers have been using sheepskin covers for this
> purpose for years.
>
> Deems Davis N519PJ
> http://deemsrv10.com/
>
> lbgjb10 wrote:
> >
> > Not blessed with A/C--it's hot and sweaty flying in Florida.
> Love the leather
> sets, but has anyone found a material that one can temp. cover the
> leather to
> prevent hot sweaty pilots form soaking the leather!!!! hot and
> toasty larry
> >
> > --------
> > Larry and Gayle N104LG
> >
> >
> > Read this topic online here:
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Larry
Did you install the louvers on just the bottom of the cowl or both the
bottom and sides of the cowl. Being here in California summers are always
in high 90 and low 100 during the day. So cooling will be most important.
John G. Cumins
President
JC'S Interactive Systems
2499 B1 Martin Rd
Fairfield Ca 94533
707-425-7100
707-425-7576 Fax
Your Total Technology Solution Provider
40864 Picking up wings soon.
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of lbgjb10
Sent: Monday, June 22, 2009 9:26 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: Hot weather
Firstly, thanks for all the great responses. One thing I've learned is that
getting in and 'sliding' down, without leather I get one giant wedgie!!! So
I like the leather overall. I've tried the cooler type A/C and frankly it's
a PIA and doesn't cool enuf. I'll look into the vests-I wonder how
comfortable they would be sitting (things gouging in your back??) I've used
them at work (standing) and they do work, but someone else was taking care
of all the equipment!! I'll try the terry cloth--would love to have
something like a 'sock' that would slide over rear seat once in. I've
looked on line at the A/C portable unit that will work on 12v, but really
would like to see it in action, and not sure it will have umph to blow air
from the baggage compartment forward.
Just got back from short trip to NC, 75 degrees at 6000, 72% power and oil
temp 187 max,190 in climb. Large oil cooler and louvers work wonders.
larry b
--------
Larry and Gayle N104LG
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| Subject: | Re: Elevator travel vs. stick grip clearance |
we had a similar occurance on RV-10, kit #203: the co-pilot side rubbed
the aluminum piece below the panel and we want to put some switches or
circuit breakers there so opted to tighten the bend on the curve of the
stick. That steel is some pretty stubborn stuff (probably chrome moly)
so we strapped it tightly into a bender and let it sit overnight - no
joy. Next we strapped it into the bender and heated it to a light
cherry glow and let it cool for an hour - eureka. We got our clearance
and all is well. Apparantly, the QC is a bit lax on these - our two
control sticks differed by about 1.5" clearance measure from the panel
with oak wooden grips installed.
Paul Hahn
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| Subject: | Re: Elevator travel vs. stick grip clearance |
When I built my Pitts years ago, we had to have precover inspections.
My paperwork was on a table on one side of the hangar, the wings and
tail feathers on the other, with the fuselage in between. He opened the
airframe book and started writing, looking at all the pieces. "I only
see one wing ...... Oh yeah, there's the bottom wings ....." and
continued to write that all the major parts were there and 'looked
good'. The airworthiness inspection was done with the airplane sitting
in front of the hangar ..... ready for flight. He walked around it and
said "Looks OK to me." and filled out my temporary airworthiness and
flight restrictions. All in about 10 minutes, and at no charge. He
worked at Piper and certified all their airplanes .... and wasn't a Fed.
When I asked him about the cursory inspection, his reply was "It looks
like a Pitts, and I'm just here to see that you didn't do something
stupid like make the airplane out of the cardboard from the pack of
legal pads!!!"
Lately, the FAA will inspect (FSDO 15, Orlando FL) .... but it may take
months and their ability to show up on time is miserable. The
inspections, when they dod happen were thorough, though.
Linn
Bob and Karen Brown wrote:
>
> Deems, good on you for making sure things were/are as they should be. Your
> DAR sounds like my original FAA inspector, Mike Robertson who has since left
> the Hillsboro, OR FSDO for Spokane. His inspection of my airplane took
> almost three hours, he showed up with a toolkit and used lights, a creeper
> and I have a picture of him in my airplane with him upside down and his feet
> out the side...
>
> Contrast that with a presentation we had recently at our EAA Chapter by the
> new FAA guys from Hillsboro...a recent inspection of my friend's RV took
> less than 10 minutes...their position now is that THEY are not responsible
> for whether or not the plane is built correctly...you are. They are here to
> inspect whether or not your paperwork is in order...that's it. Some people
> like it, I don't.
>
> Bob Brown
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Deems Davis
> Sent: Sunday, June 21, 2009 9:04 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Elevator travel vs. stick grip clearance
>
>
> I had been warned by others on the field that my DAR was a stickler for
> control systems. And I made sure that there was no interference with the
> grips in all extreme quadrants before the inspection. During the
> inspection (Yes he checked all the extremes) We discussed this part of
> the inspection, and he echoed the points that Dave relates. His view was
> that if an emergency develops and you loose your engine and or you
> prop, if you still have FULL control of your aircraft, you stand a
> better chance of survival. Unexpected situations can and will develop
> (runaway/stuck trim), when they do, we want the FULL CAPABILITIES OF THE
> AIRCRAFT at our disposal, not just a portion of them.
>
> Deems Davis
>
> Dave Saylor wrote:
>> We inspect a lot of homebuilts that come in with some sort of issue
>> with control travel. It's not generally the easiest thing to fix.
>>
>> Usually, the owners argue that you don't really need full control
>> deflection because if you used it, the result would be a pretty wild ride.
>>
>> But the little blue line on your airspeed indicator (125 knots) is the
>> highest speed that the engineers came up with for being able to do
>> exactly that--full deflection, without structural damage. They must
>> have had some scenario in mind. Granted, it won't happen in blue sky
>> cruise, but when things go bad you want to know what your limitations
>> are, and you want as much in your favor as possible.
>>
>> I think a more likely scenario is on take-off or landing, at much
>> lower speeds, when the controls aren't as effective. I was just
>> reading a report about an engine failure and subsequent long landing.
>> The pilot used every bit of skill and likely a lot of control
>> deflection, to do what needed to be done. Things got hairy after he
>> had slowed quite a bit, but still had aerodynamic control, and had to
>> avoid some obstacles.
>>
>> I always advise people to get as much control travel as allowable.
>> --
>> Dave Saylor
>> AirCrafters LLC
>> 140 Aviation Way
>> Watsonville, CA 95076
>> 831-722-9141 Shop
>> 831-750-0284 Cell
>> *
>>
>>
>> *
>
>
>
>
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>
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>
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| Subject: | Re: 2009 OSH RV-10 HQ Camping Info |
Ok, NOW it's getting close! I posted this a while back in response to a couple
of inquiries but reality is that in a mere 4 weeks Gary and I will be on site
at OSH in Camp Scholler staking out sites. If you want us to get one for you
in the "RV-10 HQ" area I'll need to have payment sometime before then. You should
find all the details below, but if you've got questions just drop me a note
offline. I'll start getting info to Tim for his website updates shortly.
Remember, I'll also need your EAA number (and it has to be current through August)
to reserve a site for you.
Bob
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| Subject: | Re: 2009 OSH RV-10 HQ Camping Info |
You'll have to go to the thread for the detailed info
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?t=57784
Bob
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Condrey, Bob
(US SSA)
Sent: Monday, June 22, 2009 3:06 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: 2009 OSH RV-10 HQ Camping Info
Ok, NOW it's getting close! I posted this a while back in response to a
couple of inquiries but reality is that in a mere 4 weeks Gary and I
will be on site at OSH in Camp Scholler staking out sites. If you want
us to get one for you in the "RV-10 HQ" area I'll need to have payment
sometime before then. You should find all the details below, but if
you've got questions just drop me a note offline. I'll start getting
info to Tim for his website updates shortly.
Remember, I'll also need your EAA number (and it has to be current
through August) to reserve a site for you.
Bob
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| Subject: | Re: 2009 OSH RV-10 HQ Camping Info |
Going into this further, this year Bob will handle all the camping
site stuff, but I will still get a list from him of the people
camping and keep an online chart for you so you can coordinate
who's got the site if you want to share a site for the early/late
part of the week.
I can also keep a list of who's going to OSH, and add the columns
to the builders list like last year. It's a good opportunity
for you to update contact info, and to let other RV-10 builders
know what days you'll be there.
I'll try to have everything ready for the wind up by 7/1/09
for sure, so give me a couple/few days to get the charts
ready, but as soon as Bob is ready to take your campsite
reservations, feel free to lock them in with him.
More to follow!
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
bcondrey wrote:
>
> Ok, NOW it's getting close! I posted this a while back in response to a couple
of inquiries but reality is that in a mere 4 weeks Gary and I will be on site
at OSH in Camp Scholler staking out sites. If you want us to get one for you
in the "RV-10 HQ" area I'll need to have payment sometime before then. You
should find all the details below, but if you've got questions just drop me a
note offline. I'll start getting info to Tim for his website updates shortly.
>
> Remember, I'll also need your EAA number (and it has to be current through August)
to reserve a site for you.
>
> Bob
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=249577#249577
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standard louvers underneath, and then also on the sides. the combo with larger
oil cooler works so well you need way to moderate the cooling in winter. butter-fly
valve in the 4 inch scat tube works great. i would do the same combo
again without hesitation. lbb
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| Subject: | Re: Elevator travel vs. stick grip clearance |
I actually did get the controls installed and all the linkages correct
with the vans sticks clearing everything. The stick grips have a slight
forward cant to them (makes them more comfortable to hold). Its the
forward cant that caused the problem. I will be checking them again
to see what I need to do to get the stick with grips to clear the
switches.
I don't want the grips to be vertical
and I like the current stick position for normal flight. Making them
lower to clear the panel is not desirable either.
Have
to take another look at what I have and what changes can be made.
Thanks, Jim C
N312F - Flying 75 hours.
Do Not
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| Subject: | Re: Bonaco Fuel lines - selector to wing |
"Bonaco's are Teflon, correct? "
Yes they are, -6 Teflon core stainless steel braid with a clear coating.
Working pressure 2,500 PSI.....Burst pressure 10,000 PSI
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| Subject: | Re: Bonaco Fuel lines - selector to wing |
That's perfect. Maybe I'll speed up my swapout and just do it next time
I know I won't fly for 2 or 3 weeks...probably a few months away but
once they're swapped I'm done with them for life.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
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ThisOne wrote:
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> "Bonaco's are Teflon, correct? "
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> Yes they are, -6 Teflon core stainless steel braid with a clear coating.
> Working pressure 2,500 PSI.....Burst pressure 10,000 PSI
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| Subject: | FS: Avidyne EX-500 w/XM Weather |
I have an Avidyne EX-500 w/Heads Up Technologies XM receiver for sale. This
is the best MFD made. It's a 24v system .. perfect for the 10!
Contact me off line if interested.
David W. Schaefer
www.n142ds.com
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| Subject: | Re: Bonaco Fuel lines - selector to wing |
Tim,
When you get to that point, please feel free to give me a call and I shall do my
best to make sure that the replacement lines you order will fit your build.
Just tell me (when the time comes), how you took your measurements. That is to
say if they are be overall length or seat to seat.
Regards,
Brett
Bonaco, Inc.
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