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1. 11:12 AM - Fibreglass fasteners (Les Kearney)
2. 01:20 PM - Re: Trip to Maine (davidsoutpost@comcast.net)
3. 04:17 PM - Re: Fibreglass fasteners (Deems Davis)
4. 05:13 PM - Re: Fibreglass fasteners (ricksked@embarqmail.com)
5. 06:10 PM - Re: First Flight (partner14)
6. 06:51 PM - Wing Bolt Installation made easy or at least precise (AirMike)
7. 07:12 PM - first flight (David McNeill)
8. 07:26 PM - Re: Trip to Maine (AirMike)
9. 07:31 PM - Re: First Flight (AirMike)
10. 07:50 PM - Re: Wing Bolt Installation made easy or at least precise (ricksked@embarqmail.com)
11. 08:23 PM - Re: Fibreglass fasteners (Deems Davis)
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| Subject: | Fibreglass fasteners |
Hi
I am working on my canopy and have a small access cover that I want to
attach. What are the recommended fasteners for fibreglass? Ideally I would
like to be able to use small screws but need to know the best way to attach
the screws to the canopy.
Any suggestions from the fibreglass mavens?
Cheers
Les
#40643 - Living in a fibreglass world
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| Subject: | Re: Trip to Maine |
I will assume you will be renting a car to get around.=C2- I have never b
een to Boothbay itself=C2- =C2- but spend a lot of time midcoast, or "D
owneast" as it's called. =C2-We own property on Cape Jellison in Stockton
Springs and spend a lot of our time exploring all the small quaint nooks,
crannies=C2-and towns =C2- along the jutting coast..=C2- You will mos
t definitely want to see=C2-Acadia National Park.=C2- Make reservations
to take the carriage horse tour if you like that type of stuff.=C2-=C2
-=C2- =C2- Bar Harbor has whale watching boat tours if you like that
stuff.=C2- Southwest Harbor on Mt. Desert Island has a deep sea fishing
=C2- boat that takes out=C2-about 30 people at a time on a modified lob
ster boat.=C2- On the way out to the fishing grounds everyone gets a numb
er on a peice of paper.=C2- They have lots of lobster traps set out =C2
-and stop at one trap for every passenger starting at trap #1.=C2-=C2
- What ever is in that trap that is legal is given to the person who has
that number.=C2-=C2-Then you hit the fishing grounds a fish.=C2- Deck
hands clean the catch on the way back.=C2- Bonuses are seal watching and
maybe a whale sighting!=C2- Reservations are recommended.=C2- =C2-
=C2- Its a lot of fun for both the adults and the kids and is one of the
things I look most forward to.=C2- They have no website but here is their
info: http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&rlz=1T4GGLL_enUS322US322&ei=
NchHSuPRFI-OMcva8KcB&resnum=0&um=1&ie=UTF-8&q=vagabond+deep+sea+fis
hing+maine&fb=1&split=1&gl=us&view=text&latlng=648616212581774975
7 =C2-=C2- South of Bar Harbor there is a lot to see also. =C2-=C2-
=C2- Castine is a real working harbor and is worth the drive.=C2- There
's a restaurant right on the wharf in Stonington that has excellent food ca
lled either The Wharf or Fishermans Wharf,,,,,I can not remember.=C2-=C2
-=C2- If you are driving down the coast near Stockton Springs,,,,be sur
e to stop at our favorite restaurant called "Just Barb's".=C2- Its a smal
l diner that has been around just about forever and has the best fried whol
e clams (steamers) I have ever had.=C2- You need to have a big appetite t
o finish off any of their basket's.=C2-=C2- A few miles further down th
e coast=C2- in Searsport is=C2-"The Angler's" restaurant.=C2- Lobster
is market=C2-priced and last fall the Twin Lobster dinner was $24.99 for
1-1/4 pound lobsters. =C2- Maine IS NOT the place to go if you are watch
ing your calorie or fat intake!=C2- =C2-I have never been to the airpor
t but Owls Head has a fly-in every summer.=C2- They have a neat transport
ation museum with planes, trains, and automobiles.=C2- Its a pretty big d
eal up there and y ou may want to look into it.=C2- Isleboro Island is th
e "in" place for the stars.=C2- They have a short paved runway and I don'
t know if rental cars are available.=C2- Its a working island and is acce
ssible =C2-by ferry boat or plane only.=C2- John Travolta and Kirsten A
lley both own homes there in Dark Harbor. =C2- We do all our shopping in
Belfast.=C2- They are on the harbor and the airport is nearby.=C2- Its
a nice airport and you can arrange a ride into town to shop.=C2-=C2- Se
e Camden if your wife likes shopping!=C2-=C2- There is a lot to see and
do in Maine so enjoy!=C2- We are heading there in August for two weeks v
ia car,,,a 16 hour drive for us,,, but AOPA =C2-flight plans a 4.25 hour
flight under no wind conditions =C2-if I ever get my -10 fin ished!=C2-
Have a nice flight!=C2-
Dave Clifford
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Testement" <jwt@roadmapscoaching.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 5:18:12 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: RV10-List: Trip to Maine
My wife and I are flying from Richmond VA to Maine next week and are planni
ng to stop at Nantucket and then to go Bar Harbor and Boothbay. I would lov
e any recommendations as to what to see and do in Maine of if there are any
other stops that we should make.
_________________________________
John Testement
N311RV
40321
Flying
==
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| Subject: | Re: Fibreglass fasteners |
Les, depending on the use of the cover, If it's going to be removed
infrequently and is not subject to a lot of direct vibration,
countersink the fiberglass and use a countersunk AN screw. As you know
fiberglass can 'wallow' around any hole if it's not very thick, In these
cases you can use a countersunk washer to backup the screw and prevent
the wallowing. If you want to go one step further and hide the
countersunk washers, I just helped a friend on the field who was redoing
his wheel pants, and we used a spot face to relieve the fiberglass
surface just enough enough to embed the countersunk washers in flox,
then cleaned everything up and filled the washers with Metal Glaze, used
a countersink to clean out the hole, sanded, primed and painted, It
looks great and is stronger than just the glass itself.
Deems
Les Kearney wrote:
>
> Hi
>
> I am working on my canopy and have a small access cover that I want to
> attach. What are the recommended fasteners for fibreglass? Ideally I
> would like to be able to use small screws but need to know the best
> way to attach the screws to the canopy.
>
> Any suggestions from the fibreglass mavens?
>
> Cheers
>
> Les
>
> #40643 Living in a fibreglass world
>
> *
>
>
> *
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| Subject: | Re: Fibreglass fasteners |
Lol.....glassing in CS washers....guess I'm not as anal as I thought I was....there
is someone worse!!!
Rick Sked
N246RS
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-----Original Message-----
From: Deems Davis <deemsdavis@cox.net>
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Fibreglass fasteners
Les, depending on the use of the cover, If it's going to be removed
infrequently and is not subject to a lot of direct vibration,
countersink the fiberglass and use a countersunk AN screw. As you know
fiberglass can 'wallow' around any hole if it's not very thick, In these
cases you can use a countersunk washer to backup the screw and prevent
the wallowing. If you want to go one step further and hide the
countersunk washers, I just helped a friend on the field who was redoing
his wheel pants, and we used a spot face to relieve the fiberglass
surface just enough enough to embed the countersunk washers in flox,
then cleaned everything up and filled the washers with Metal Glaze, used
a countersink to clean out the hole, sanded, primed and painted, It
looks great and is stronger than just the glass itself.
Deems
Les Kearney wrote:
>
> Hi
>
> I am working on my canopy and have a small access cover that I want to
> attach. What are the recommended fasteners for fibreglass? Ideally I
> would like to be able to use small screws but need to know the best
> way to attach the screws to the canopy.
>
> Any suggestions from the fibreglass mavens?
>
> Cheers
>
> Les
>
> #40643 Living in a fibreglass world
>
> *
>
>
> *
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| Subject: | Re: First Flight |
Well the 40 hours have been flown off.... now the world is open for us to fly over.
The planes first flight was on the 9th of June, and it has been in the air
every day since then.... 2 times on several days, and 3 times on one. Unfortunately,
at the same time we completed phase I the temps have gone over the
century mark. So far Kim has been aboard for a couple of flights, one to dinner
at Nancy's in Willows, the other to Auburn for breakfast. Yesterday in the
late afternoon my brother, Dave, and his wife, Sue, braved the temps and made
seperate flights around the Lincoln airport. They were both very impressed.
Although the temps were still hot, the air was very calm, so the plane was so
smooth it was practically unbelievable. So far there are 4 of us that now know
what the Van's family is talking about when they refer to the RV grin! My
friend Tim said it best, "it's hard to believe that this was once just a pile
of parts".
Don McDonald
#40636
Will go out tonight and get current with night landings.
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Don A. McDonald
40636
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| Subject: | Wing Bolt Installation made easy or at least precise |
The day finally came to put in the final close tolerance wing bolts. We all know
how much we do NOT want to screw up this job. With no room for error I was quite
nervous approaching the task. Best to have three people for the job
I used three drift pins in the first wing and four in the second. I recommend that
you spend a few extra bucks and get 4 in each wing. Or do one at a time with
four. This gets the wing and fuse more aligned. It may be only a few 10,000
of an inch but it matters. Also remove the fore and aft spar bolts if previously
installed It helps twist the wing to align the holes.
Then I got some dry ice to cool the bolts down really low. I took the 8 large bolts
and put them on the 3M wheel VERY LIGHTLY to remove the minute ridge between
the threads and the shaft of the bolts. This way if you are hanging on a misalignment
between the pieces, it will slide on thru without buggering the junction
area.
Put the bolts in the cooler for 15-20 minutes but not right on the dry ice. Then
put on a pair of latex/nitrile gloves. As you need the bolts, pull them out
and holding them by the threads spray the shaft with LP2 or LP3. Then slap it
in the hole. use a 12"x1"x2" piece of oak or hardwood as a dowel to push the on
thru. Then use a rubber mallet or if needed - your rivet gun to push the bolts
on thru. Have one friend lift the wing to unload the end and have the other
friend hold the wood dowel against the bolt so that it does not slip off. I had
to rivet a few bolts really hard, but one bolt actually slid in with a press
of the fingers. Neeedless to say when they heated up to room temp they are in
VERY solid. I also heated the spars with a heat gun between the top bolts and
the bottom bolts. Replacing the front and rear spar bolts afterward is no sweat
with your wingtip friend twisting and moving the wing for and aft.
--------
OSH '08 or Bust (busted) be there someday
Q/B Kit - FWF end game
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We have had six first flights from our back porch in the last two months. A
pair of doves built a rental unit on our trellis. There have been 3 pairs
occupying the same nest over the time period. My wife just cleans up under
the unit and a new pair moves in. My wife and daughter are watching for
another first flight right now. If you think the RV10 first flight gives
pause . Imagine the first flight, first lesson, and first solo all rolled
into one.
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| Subject: | Re: Trip to Maine |
Great thing in Maine:
Eat a lobster dinner
Visit the Bushes in Kennebunkport
Salem witch tour & museum (Mass - but on the way)
Campobello International Park - Roosevelt's vacation digs
Acadia Park - nice but busy in summer and over-rated
LL Bean shop in Freeport, ME
Eat a lobster dinner
Eat a lobster dinner
Buy lobsters to take home
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OSH '08 or Bust (busted) be there someday
Q/B Kit - FWF end game
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| Subject: | Re: First Flight |
Don't the new high flyers have to supply the beer at OSH?
Congratulations - safe flying.
--------
OSH '08 or Bust (busted) be there someday
Q/B Kit - FWF end game
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| Subject: | Re: Wing Bolt Installation made easy or at least precise |
Ummm. Yeah.... I put them in the cooler with the water bottles....used two 3/8
standard bolts with the threads cut off as guide pins...some 30W oil on the cold
bolt shafts and a ball peen hammer to tap them in....go figure....never thought
of doing all that other stuff.... They seem to work OK....
Rick Sked
N246RS
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-----Original Message-----
From: "AirMike" <Mikeabel@Pacbell.net>
Subject: RV10-List: Wing Bolt Installation made easy or at least precise
The day finally came to put in the final close tolerance wing bolts. We all know
how much we do NOT want to screw up this job. With no room for error I was quite
nervous approaching the task. Best to have three people for the job
I used three drift pins in the first wing and four in the second. I recommend that
you spend a few extra bucks and get 4 in each wing. Or do one at a time with
four. This gets the wing and fuse more aligned. It may be only a few 10,000
of an inch but it matters. Also remove the fore and aft spar bolts if previously
installed It helps twist the wing to align the holes.
Then I got some dry ice to cool the bolts down really low. I took the 8 large bolts
and put them on the 3M wheel VERY LIGHTLY to remove the minute ridge between
the threads and the shaft of the bolts. This way if you are hanging on a misalignment
between the pieces, it will slide on thru without buggering the junction
area.
Put the bolts in the cooler for 15-20 minutes but not right on the dry ice. Then
put on a pair of latex/nitrile gloves. As you need the bolts, pull them out
and holding them by the threads spray the shaft with LP2 or LP3. Then slap it
in the hole. use a 12"x1"x2" piece of oak or hardwood as a dowel to push the on
thru. Then use a rubber mallet or if needed - your rivet gun to push the bolts
on thru. Have one friend lift the wing to unload the end and have the other
friend hold the wood dowel against the bolt so that it does not slip off. I had
to rivet a few bolts really hard, but one bolt actually slid in with a press
of the fingers. Neeedless to say when they heated up to room temp they are in
VERY solid. I also heated the spars with a heat gun between the top bolts and
the bottom bolts. Replacing the front and rear spar bolts afterward is no sweat
with your wingtip friend twisting and moving the wing for and aft.
--------
OSH '08 or Bust (busted) be there someday
Q/B Kit - FWF end game
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| Subject: | Re: Fibreglass fasteners |
Careful, the Groupies are restless!
Deems
ricksked@embarqmail.com wrote:
>
> Lol.....glassing in CS washers....guess I'm not as anal as I thought I was....there
is someone worse!!!
>
> Rick Sked
> N246RS
> Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Deems Davis <deemsdavis@cox.net>
>
> Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2009 16:13:51
> To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Fibreglass fasteners
>
>
>
> Les, depending on the use of the cover, If it's going to be removed
> infrequently and is not subject to a lot of direct vibration,
> countersink the fiberglass and use a countersunk AN screw. As you know
> fiberglass can 'wallow' around any hole if it's not very thick, In these
> cases you can use a countersunk washer to backup the screw and prevent
> the wallowing. If you want to go one step further and hide the
> countersunk washers, I just helped a friend on the field who was redoing
> his wheel pants, and we used a spot face to relieve the fiberglass
> surface just enough enough to embed the countersunk washers in flox,
> then cleaned everything up and filled the washers with Metal Glaze, used
> a countersink to clean out the hole, sanded, primed and painted, It
> looks great and is stronger than just the glass itself.
>
>
> Deems
>
> Les Kearney wrote:
>
>> Hi
>>
>> I am working on my canopy and have a small access cover that I want to
>> attach. What are the recommended fasteners for fibreglass? Ideally I
>> would like to be able to use small screws but need to know the best
>> way to attach the screws to the canopy.
>>
>> Any suggestions from the fibreglass mavens?
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> Les
>>
>> #40643 Living in a fibreglass world
>>
>> *
>>
>>
>> *
>>
>
>
>
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