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1. 05:12 AM - Re: -3 degrees flaps (Tim Olson)
2. 05:49 AM - Re: -3 degrees flaps (ricksked@embarqmail.com)
3. 06:24 AM - Re: landings (Linn Walters)
4. 11:21 AM - Re: -3 degrees flaps (Eagerlee)
5. 11:51 AM - Re: -3 degrees flaps (Tim Olson)
6. 11:51 AM - Re: -3 degrees flaps (Bob Turner)
7. 12:11 PM - Re: -3 degrees flaps (Robert Brunkenhoefer)
8. 12:23 PM - Re: -3 degrees flaps (James Stribling)
9. 12:23 PM - Re: -3 degrees flaps (James Stribling)
10. 12:55 PM - Re: -3 degrees flaps (David McNeill)
11. 01:13 PM - Re: Re: -3 degrees flaps (Jim)
12. 01:13 PM - Re: -3 degrees flaps (Tim Olson)
13. 01:22 PM - Re: -3 degrees flaps (David Maib)
14. 03:23 PM - Re: Re: -3 degrees flaps (David McNeill)
15. 03:41 PM - Re: -3 degrees flaps (bcondrey)
16. 03:49 PM - Re: Re: -3 degrees flaps (Tim Olson)
17. 05:26 PM - Tool kit (David McNeill)
18. 06:52 PM - Re: Re: -3 degrees flaps (Jim)
19. 07:19 PM - 'annual' (lbgjb10)
20. 08:09 PM - Re: Tool kit (Roger Standley)
21. 09:36 PM - Re: Tool kit (David McNeill)
22. 10:59 PM - Re: Tool kit (Chris and Susie)
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| Subject: | Re: -3 degrees flaps |
I find the landings at 5000'AGL to be really really tough too....I
seem to float for miles and miles. Usually my best ones are when I
flare at 1-2'AGL. ;). (couldn't resist, sorry Robin.). Definitely no
harm intended....we all do it. ;)
Tim
On Jul 2, 2009, at 11:58 PM, "Robin Marks" <robin1@mrmoisture.com>
wrote:
> 80-75-70 Knots for me (occasionally seeing mid 60=99s on my last
look
> s.
>
> I have been playing around with this a lot recently as one of my
> regular commute locations is a semi-short strip with a tall palm
> tree on one end and power lines on the other end. I still can=99t
land
> it as short as my 6A but I am getting a lot closer than my first at
> tempts.
>
> Funny story: Some of my first attempts at landing were at ~5,000=99
AG
> L and I kept floating & floating and I would sink but the runway nev
> er got any closer. The first few times I landed the last third of th
> e runway. Smooth but looooong. My first mistake was my 80 Knots over
> the fence (I was use to my 80 MPH RV-6A) and the second reason I on
> ly discovered while fueling up. The runway had a BIG long dip fallin
> g away from my landing aircraft.
>
>
> IMHO - For best results be precise with your speeds.
>
>
> Robin
>
>
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> ] On Behalf Of Jim
> Sent: Thursday, July 02, 2009 8:26 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: -3 degrees flaps
>
>
> The good part about the navy based process is that it took into
> account the current weight of the aircraft. It also uses the
> "Indicated" stall speed which took into account the pitot system and
> indicators. A single pilot might get a low stall speed while a
> gross weight airplane would yield a higher number. It was still fun
> to do the math and then fly the approach.
>
> The -10 is a fun airplane to fly and I know I can slow it down for a
> short runway.
>
> Jim C
> N312F - 80 hours (Still need to get it painted!)
>
> Do Not Archive
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Great info...the AOA makes this pretty easy....pitch up, keep the
> RPMs up,
> throttle to control decent with positive pitch held just need to
> call the
> ball....short field "style" seems the best approach...65 knots on
> final is
> our working best number....but then again the DA has been between
> 4500 to
> 5300.... go figure
> Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "Jim" <jim@CombsFive.Com>
>
> Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 22:45:27
> To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: -3 degrees flaps
>
>
> We had a Navy pilot provide CAP folk with a method for landing on
> short
> runways.
>
> during cruise flight, slow down, lower the flaps and determine what
> the indicated stall speed was (Just nibble at it). Round the number
> up to the nearest 5 knots and then add 10%.
>
> So if you saw 58 knots stall, round up to 60, add 10% to get 66.
> Fly the approach at that speed.
>
> When we rounded out over the numbers the bird was done flying and
> did not float. It was easy to land on 2000 foot runways.
>
> Try this with the -10. You will get some numbers that will amaze you.
>
> I don't normally fly like this, but to see it work was really cool.
>
> What I found for my -10 was I could fly 65 knot finals and make the
> first turnoff without much braking.
>
> What I normally fly is 82 on the approach,
> 78 over the end of the runway and I get stall warning about 5 feet
> up and
> touchdown soon after.
>
> Your airplane may be different.
>
> All speeds in knots.
>
> Jim C
> N312F
>
>
> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List
> http://forums.matronics.com
> http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>
> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
> 07/02/09 18:06:00
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: -3 degrees flaps |
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Robin's comment works with any aircraft. Finding the speeds may be the
problem ..... and I doubt if any two -10s will be exactly (read that
word again) the same. Close, though. I fly really high, close in,
patterns. Including high finals. That means I use minimum power and
full flaps down final. When you 'drag it in' (long, low finals) your
velocity vector is pretty much down the runway, and you'll have to get
rid of that momentum. With a steep final, your velocity vector is
considerably more vertical, and there's not too much excess energy left
(down the runway) after the flare. The comment about 'Grumman Iron
Works' gear may be important here too. I don't care for the soft,
springy gear that Van uses, and spent a fair amount of time trying to
figure out how to put a one-piece spring aluminum gear on my -10 ......
and finally gave up. My point here is that energy management is the key
to getting the landings under control. By the time I get my -10 in the
air there will be a whole lot more data points available, and I'll use
them initially to get my landings under control. After the comfort
period, I'll strive to get back into my old habits. At least that's my
plan. And we know how how plans change.
Linn ....... modifying the doors
do not archive
Robin Marks wrote:
snip>
>
> IMHO - For best results be precise with your speeds.
>
>
>
> Robin
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| Subject: | Re: -3 degrees flaps |
After rigging the ailerons and wingtips to the fully retracted flaps,
the wingtips will be in a permanent position that is -3=BA up from
neutral alignment with the chord of the wing. Do we really want our
wingtips to be anywhere but spot-on with the chord of the wing?
Paul Hahn
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| Subject: | Re: -3 degrees flaps |
You'll want them optimized for cruise. You will very rarely use
the zero flap configuration.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
do not archive
Eagerlee wrote:
> After rigging the ailerons and wingtips to the fully retracted flaps,
> the wingtips will be in a permanent position that is -3 up from neutral
> alignment with the chord of the wing. Do we really want our wingtips to
> be anywhere but spot-on with the chord of the wing?
>
> Paul Hahn
>
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| Subject: | Re: -3 degrees flaps |
As Jim mentioned, don't forget the weight. The -10 can have a large variation in
weight. If the over-the-fence "right" number for you is 70 KIAS at 2700 lbs,
then the same "right" number is 60 KIAS at 2000 lbs. Quite a difference!
--------
Bob Turner
RV-10 QB
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| Subject: | Re: -3 degrees flaps |
Does the flap switch need to be left in the up position after
retraction for takeoff to get the -3 position for cruise.
Sent from my iPhone
Robert E. Brunkenhoefer
Brunkenhoefer Law Firm, P.C.
520 Lawrence St.
Corpus Christi, Texas 78401
Phone: 361-888-8808
Facsimile: 361-888-6753
robert@brunklaw.com
On Jul 3, 2009, at 1:15 PM, "Eagerlee" <eagerlee@comcast.net> wrote:
> After rigging the ailerons and wingtips to the fully retracted
> flaps, the wingtips will be in a permanent position that is -3=C2=BA
up f
> rom neutral alignment with the chord of the wing. Do we really want
> our wingtips to be anywhere but spot-on with the chord of the wing?
>
> Paul Hahn
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: -3 degrees flaps |
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| Subject: | Re: -3 degrees flaps |
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| Subject: | -3 degrees flaps |
depends on how you wire it. If you use the FPS system you may not; but
if
you control the movement with a simple switch you must. Mine is a three
position. spring loaded in the down position
(flaps going down, push and hold) upon release the motor stops, switch
moves
to center. flaps up the switch is moved to the up position and flaps
retract
automatically and completely. I have a red led to remind me if the motor
continues to run after reaching the limit of travel.
_____
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert
Brunkenhoefer
Sent: Friday, July 03, 2009 12:10 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: -3 degrees flaps
Does the flap switch need to be left in the up position after retraction
for
takeoff to get the -3 position for cruise.
Sent from my iPhone
Robert E. Brunkenhoefer
Brunkenhoefer Law Firm, P.C.
520 Lawrence St.
Corpus Christi, Texas 78401
Phone: 361-888-8808
Facsimile: 361-888-6753
robert@brunklaw.com
On Jul 3, 2009, at 1:15 PM, "Eagerlee" <eagerlee@comcast.net> wrote:
After rigging the ailerons and wingtips to the fully retracted flaps,
the
wingtips will be in a permanent position that is -3=BA up from neutral
alignment with the chord of the wing. Do we really want our wingtips to
be
anywhere but spot-on with the chord of the wing?
Paul Hahn
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List">http://www.matronic
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| Subject: | Re: -3 degrees flaps |
Not only does weight make a difference, but the CG makes a difference in
the landing flair too. Much like a C-172. Toss a body or two
in the back seats and the landing flair is automatic. Solo or two in
front and you will use quite a bit more elevator. I will toss a 25
bag of shot in the baggage compartment when I fly with just one or two.
During my initial Phase 1 early flights, I put 75 lbs in the
opposite rear seat. Moved the CG back enough to make the first
flights easier. Removed them later in the Phase I flights.
but I will say this. This airplane is the most fun flying I have
ever had.
Jim C
N312F - Flying and loving every
minute of it!
---------------------------------------------
<bobturner@alum.rpi.edu>
As Jim mentioned, don't forget
the weight. The -10 can have a large
variation in weight. If the
over-the-fence "right" number for you is 70
KIAS at 2700
lbs, then the same "right" number is 60 KIAS at 2000 lbs.
Quite a difference!
--------
Bob Turner
RV-10 QB
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| Subject: | Re: -3 degrees flaps |
Depends on the flap positioner you use, but if you use the standard
"showplanes" one that Van's sells, then yes, just flip it up and
you'll be at -3.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
do not archive
Robert Brunkenhoefer wrote:
> Does the flap switch need to be left in the up position after retraction
> for takeoff to get the -3 position for cruise.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> Robert E. Brunkenhoefer
> Brunkenhoefer Law Firm, P.C.
> 520 Lawrence St.
> Corpus Christi, Texas 78401
> Phone: 361-888-8808
> Facsimile: 361-888-6753
> robert@brunklaw.com <mailto:robert@brunklaw.com>
>
> On Jul 3, 2009, at 1:15 PM, "Eagerlee" <eagerlee@comcast.net
> <mailto:eagerlee@comcast.net>> wrote:
>
>> After rigging the ailerons and wingtips to the fully retracted flaps,
>> the wingtips will be in a permanent position that is -3 up from
>> neutral alignment with the chord of the wing. Do we really want our
>> wingtips to be anywhere but spot-on with the chord of the wing?
>>
>> Paul Hahn
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| Subject: | Re: -3 degrees flaps |
Yes we do. We want them to be even with the ailerons and flaps.
David Maib
40559
On Jul 3, 2009, at 2:15 PM, Eagerlee wrote:
After rigging the ailerons and wingtips to the fully retracted flaps,
the wingtips will be in a permanent position that is -3=BA up from
neutral alignment with the chord of the wing. Do we really want our
wingtips to be anywhere but spot-on with the chord of the wing?
Paul Hahn
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| Subject: | Re: -3 degrees flaps |
I think you might be missing the boat if you don't carry about 20-25# tool
box in the baggage area. If you have a maintenance problem away from home;
you are the maintenance man. Many FBOs will not touch your airplane because
they do not have the necessary "data" and continuing airworthiness data. It
won't make any difference if you have a Lycosauras or something else. BTDT
_____
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim
Sent: Friday, July 03, 2009 1:10 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: -3 degrees flaps
Not only does weight make a difference, but the CG makes a difference in the
landing flair too. Much like a C-172. Toss a body or two in the back seats
and the landing flair is automatic. Solo or two in front and you will use
quite a bit more elevator. I will toss a 25 bag of shot in the baggage
compartment when I fly with just one or two.
During my initial Phase 1 early flights, I put 75 lbs in the opposite rear
seat. Moved the CG back enough to make the first flights easier. Removed
them later in the Phase I flights.
but I will say this. This airplane is the most fun flying I have ever had.
Jim C
N312F - Flying and loving every minute of it!
---------------------------------------------
As Jim mentioned, don't forget the weight. The -10 can have a large
variation in weight. If the over-the-fence "right" number for you is 70
KIAS at 2700 lbs, then the same "right" number is 60 KIAS at 2000 lbs.
Quite a difference!
--------
Bob Turner
RV-10 QB
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=251347#251347
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| Subject: | Re: -3 degrees flaps |
This all got started with a question about alignment. Van's directions are fairly
specific: set the flaps against the rear wing spar doubler (putting them in
reflex), align the ailerons to the flaps. Wingtip ribs actually have the -3
degree shape in them - take a close look at them. Design intent is for everything
to be in alignment at -3 degrees (normal cruise).
Bob
N442PM (flying)
> After rigging the ailerons and wingtips to the fully retracted flaps, the
> wingtips will be in a permanent position that is -3? up from neutral
> alignment with the chord of the wing. Do we really want our wingtips to
> be anywhere but spot-on with the chord of the wing?
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| Subject: | Re: -3 degrees flaps |
Like you, I usually carry a small tool kit with a spare spark plug
of each type, plug wrench, small socket set, multi-screwdriver,
and wrenches. Then there's the spare quart of oil, and often the
tie-down anchors. Add to that a small bag of windshield cleaning
supplies and spray wax for the wings, and I've got a little
semi-permanent ballast. After flying it for a while I've done
plenty of flights just checking things out where I had no ballast
and I find I don't need any ballast for landings to be great, but
keeping those items in there is still a great idea. There are
so many ways to get stuck on a cross-country kit, I try to keep
a little ready. After rebuilding my mag I even kept the old
parts in a jar so that I could do a quick bit of field work if
something went amiss.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
do not archive
David McNeill wrote:
> I think you might be missing the boat if you don't carry about 20-25#
> tool box in the baggage area. If you have a maintenance problem away
> from home; you are the maintenance man. Many FBOs will not touch your
> airplane because they do not have the necessary "data" and continuing
> airworthiness data. It won't make any difference if you have a
> Lycosauras or something else. BTDT
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Jim
> *Sent:* Friday, July 03, 2009 1:10 PM
> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* Re: RV10-List: Re: -3 degrees flaps
>
> Not only does weight make a difference, but the CG makes a difference in
> the landing flair too. Much like a C-172. Toss a body or two in the
> back seats and the landing flair is automatic. Solo or two in front and
> you will use quite a bit more elevator. I will toss a 25 bag of shot in
> the baggage compartment when I fly with just one or two.
>
> During my initial Phase 1 early flights, I put 75 lbs in the opposite
> rear seat. Moved the CG back enough to make the first flights easier.
> Removed them later in the Phase I flights.
>
> but I will say this. This airplane is the most fun flying I have ever
> had.
>
> Jim C
> N312F - Flying and loving every minute of it!
>
> ---------------------------------------------
>
>
>
> As Jim mentioned, don't forget the weight. The -10 can have a large
> variation in weight. If the over-the-fence "right" number for you is 70
> KIAS at 2700 lbs, then the same "right" number is 60 KIAS at 2000 lbs.
> Quite a difference!
>
> --------
> Bob Turner
> RV-10 QB
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=251347#251347
>
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>
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>
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I sometimes joke that I can handle anything short of an engine overhaul or
wing removal. I carry:
a 1/4 and 3/6" drive sets
Spark plug socket
combo wrenches from 1/4 to 7/8"
Mechanical and magnetic grapplers
Slotted and Phillips head 1 and 2
needle nose and vise grip pliers
safety wire and pliers
Four small trays of additional fasteners and tie wraps
Small and normal size dikes
Voltmeter with leads and extra alligator clip jumpers
Avionics removal tool
Forceps both straight and curved
Allen wrenches both English and metric
Misc caps and plugs for fluid/air lines
Other small one off items that escape memory
Also I carry separately the gust locks, tie down lugs and Plexus, a couple
of spare plugs and contactors
I would have to borrow tools for a sheet metal repair.
Lastly I carry a USB memory stick with all the airframe pdf plans, install
manuals, operation manuals etc (893MB)
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Sent: Friday, July 03, 2009 3:49 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: -3 degrees flaps
Like you, I usually carry a small tool kit with a spare spark plug of each
type, plug wrench, small socket set, multi-screwdriver, and wrenches. Then
there's the spare quart of oil, and often the tie-down anchors. Add to that
a small bag of windshield cleaning supplies and spray wax for the wings, and
I've got a little semi-permanent ballast. After flying it for a while I've
done plenty of flights just checking things out where I had no ballast and I
find I don't need any ballast for landings to be great, but keeping those
items in there is still a great idea. There are so many ways to get stuck
on a cross-country kit, I try to keep a little ready. After rebuilding my
mag I even kept the old parts in a jar so that I could do a quick bit of
field work if something went amiss.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
do not archive
David McNeill wrote:
> I think you might be missing the boat if you don't carry about 20-25#
> tool box in the baggage area. If you have a maintenance problem away
> from home; you are the maintenance man. Many FBOs will not touch your
> airplane because they do not have the necessary "data" and continuing
> airworthiness data. It won't make any difference if you have a
> Lycosauras or something else. BTDT
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> --
> *From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Jim
> *Sent:* Friday, July 03, 2009 1:10 PM
> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* Re: RV10-List: Re: -3 degrees flaps
>
> Not only does weight make a difference, but the CG makes a difference
> in the landing flair too. Much like a C-172. Toss a body or two in
> the back seats and the landing flair is automatic. Solo or two in
> front and you will use quite a bit more elevator. I will toss a 25
> bag of shot in the baggage compartment when I fly with just one or two.
>
> During my initial Phase 1 early flights, I put 75 lbs in the opposite
> rear seat. Moved the CG back enough to make the first flights easier.
> Removed them later in the Phase I flights.
>
> but I will say this. This airplane is the most fun flying I have ever
> had.
>
> Jim C
> N312F - Flying and loving every minute of it!
>
> ---------------------------------------------
>
>
>
> As Jim mentioned, don't forget the weight. The -10 can have a large
> variation in weight. If the over-the-fence "right" number for you is
> 70 KIAS at 2700 lbs, then the same "right" number is 60 KIAS at 2000 lbs.
> Quite a difference!
>
> --------
> Bob Turner
> RV-10 QB
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=251347#251347
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Excellent point!
Jim C
--------------------------------------------------------
I
think you might be missing the boat if you don't carry about 20-25#
tool
box in the baggage area. If you have a maintenance problem away
from home;
you are the maintenance man. Many FBOs will not touch your
airplane
because
they do not have the necessary "data"
and continuing airworthiness data.
It
won't make any difference
if you have a Lycosauras or something else. BTDT
_____
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim
Sent: Friday, July 03, 2009 1:10 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: -3 degrees flaps
Not only
does weight make a difference, but the CG makes a difference in
the
landing flair too. Much like a C-172. Toss a body or two in
the back
seats
and the landing flair is automatic. Solo or two
in front and you will use
quite a bit more elevator. I will toss a
25 bag of shot in the baggage
compartment when I fly with just one or
two.
During my initial Phase 1 early flights, I put 75 lbs in
the opposite rear
seat. Moved the CG back enough to make the first
flights easier. Removed
them later in the Phase I flights.
but I will say this. This airplane is the most fun flying I have
ever
had.
Jim C
N312F - Flying and loving every
minute of it!
---------------------------------------------
<bobturner@alum.rpi.edu>
As Jim mentioned, don't forget
the weight. The -10 can have a large
variation in weight. If the
over-the-fence "right" number for you is 70
KIAS at 2700
lbs, then the same "right" number is 60 KIAS at 2000 lbs.
Quite a difference!
--------
Bob Turner
RV-10 QB
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=251347#251347
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plane had it's 'first' annual. with good assistance of AI, tore plane apart and
looked closely for any problems. Engine was great--90 hrs on TMX 540. Had
to do the SB on mags--sent them back to Mattituck and finished that check off.
Found a small fuel leak in tunnel, and found a chaffed fuel line there. (the
scat tube was rubbing). Replaced fuel line, and moved the fuel flow meter from
the tunnel to just before the injector spider. Had a little chaffing in the
rear of the tunnel with control cables and some wires. Fixed it. Brakes look
new. Rest of the plane was great. Found a 50 cent piece in the rear that
must have fallen out when bucking rear rivets!!!!! I hope all annuals go so well.
great plane. oh, biggest glitch, somehow we forgot to turn on the ELT--glad
we didn't crash. Good to have another pair of eyes checking on things.
larry & gayle N104LG
--------
Larry and Gayle N104LG
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This is a great topic. We all do plenty of maintenance to prevent a
problem away from home. The items in the suggested tool kit probably
came to mind because of possible problems, from experience or imagined.
What are the top ten "most likely" problems that you might foresee? I'll
start the list:
1. Low or flat tire
2. Dead battery
3.
----- Original Message -----
From: David McNeill<mailto:dlm46007@cox.net>
To: rv10-list@matronics.com<mailto:rv10-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Friday, July 03, 2009 5:24 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Tool kit
<dlm46007@cox.net<mailto:dlm46007@cox.net>>
I sometimes joke that I can handle anything short of an engine
overhaul or
wing removal. I carry:
a 1/4 and 3/6" drive sets
Spark plug socket
combo wrenches from 1/4 to 7/8"
Mechanical and magnetic grapplers
Slotted and Phillips head 1 and 2
needle nose and vise grip pliers
safety wire and pliers
Four small trays of additional fasteners and tie wraps
Small and normal size dikes
Voltmeter with leads and extra alligator clip jumpers
Avionics removal tool
Forceps both straight and curved
Allen wrenches both English and metric
Misc caps and plugs for fluid/air lines
Other small one off items that escape memory
Also I carry separately the gust locks, tie down lugs and Plexus, a
couple
of spare plugs and contactors
I would have to borrow tools for a sheet metal repair.
Lastly I carry a USB memory stick with all the airframe pdf plans,
install
manuals, operation manuals etc (893MB)
-----Original Message-----
From:
owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com<mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matron
ics.com>
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Sent: Friday, July 03, 2009 3:49 PM
To: rv10-list@matronics.com<mailto:rv10-list@matronics.com>
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: -3 degrees flaps
<Tim@myrv10.com<mailto:Tim@myrv10.com>>
Like you, I usually carry a small tool kit with a spare spark plug of
each
type, plug wrench, small socket set, multi-screwdriver, and wrenches.
Then
there's the spare quart of oil, and often the tie-down anchors. Add
to that
a small bag of windshield cleaning supplies and spray wax for the
wings, and
I've got a little semi-permanent ballast. After flying it for a while
I've
done plenty of flights just checking things out where I had no ballast
and I
find I don't need any ballast for landings to be great, but keeping
those
items in there is still a great idea. There are so many ways to get
stuck
on a cross-country kit, I try to keep a little ready. After
rebuilding my
mag I even kept the old parts in a jar so that I could do a quick bit
of
field work if something went amiss.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
do not archive
David McNeill wrote:
> I think you might be missing the boat if you don't carry about
20-25#
> tool box in the baggage area. If you have a maintenance problem away
> from home; you are the maintenance man. Many FBOs will not touch
your
> airplane because they do not have the necessary "data" and
continuing
> airworthiness data. It won't make any difference if you have a
> Lycosauras or something else. BTDT
>
>
----------------------------------------------------------------------
> --
> *From:*
owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com<mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matron
ics.com>
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Jim
> *Sent:* Friday, July 03, 2009 1:10 PM
> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com<mailto:rv10-list@matronics.com>
> *Subject:* Re: RV10-List: Re: -3 degrees flaps
>
> Not only does weight make a difference, but the CG makes a
difference
> in the landing flair too. Much like a C-172. Toss a body or two in
> the back seats and the landing flair is automatic. Solo or two in
> front and you will use quite a bit more elevator. I will toss a 25
> bag of shot in the baggage compartment when I fly with just one or
two.
>
> During my initial Phase 1 early flights, I put 75 lbs in the
opposite
> rear seat. Moved the CG back enough to make the first flights
easier.
> Removed them later in the Phase I flights.
>
> but I will say this. This airplane is the most fun flying I have
ever
> had.
>
> Jim C
> N312F - Flying and loving every minute of it!
>
> ---------------------------------------------
>
>
<bobturner@alum.rpi.edu<mailto:bobturner@alum.rpi.edu>>
>
> As Jim mentioned, don't forget the weight. The -10 can have a large
> variation in weight. If the over-the-fence "right" number for you is
> 70 KIAS at 2700 lbs, then the same "right" number is 60 KIAS at 2000
lbs.
> Quite a difference!
>
> --------
> Bob Turner
> RV-10 QB
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
>
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tools are needed to disassemble the airframe; on a recent tip my son drop
his thumb drive while touching the right stick. Bad luck. The thumb drive
could no be found and I had to remove the right seat and the inspection
panel under it to get the offending item. That required removing the rear
torque tube cover and the front seat lock mechanism bolts. It was nice to
have the tools to do this at hand rather than borrowing from the FBO or my
host.
_____
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roger Standley
Sent: Friday, July 03, 2009 7:58 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Tool kit
This is a great topic. We all do plenty of maintenance to prevent a problem
away from home. The items in the suggested tool kit probably came to mind
because of possible problems, from experience or imagined. What are the top
ten "most likely" problems that you might foresee? I'll start the list:
1. Low or flat tire
2. Dead battery
3.
----- Original Message -----
From: David McNeill <mailto:dlm46007@cox.net>
Sent: Friday, July 03, 2009 5:24 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Tool kit
I sometimes joke that I can handle anything short of an engine overhaul or
wing removal. I carry:
a 1/4 and 3/6" drive sets
Spark plug socket
combo wrenches from 1/4 to 7/8"
Mechanical and magnetic grapplers
Slotted and Phillips head 1 and 2
needle nose and vise grip pliers
safety wire and pliers
Four small trays of additional fasteners and tie wraps
Small and normal size dikes
Voltmeter with leads and extra alligator clip jumpers
Avionics removal tool
Forceps both straight and curved
Allen wrenches both English and metric
Misc caps and plugs for fluid/air lines
Other small one off items that escape memory
Also I carry separately the gust locks, tie down lugs and Plexus, a couple
of spare plugs and contactors
I would have to borrow tools for a sheet metal repair.
Lastly I carry a USB memory stick with all the airframe pdf plans, install
manuals, operation manuals etc (893MB)
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Sent: Friday, July 03, 2009 3:49 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: -3 degrees flaps
Like you, I usually carry a small tool kit with a spare spark plug of each
type, plug wrench, small socket set, multi-screwdriver, and wrenches. Then
there's the spare quart of oil, and often the tie-down anchors. Add to that
a small bag of windshield cleaning supplies and spray wax for the wings, and
I've got a little semi-permanent ballast. After flying it for a while I've
done plenty of flights just checking things out where I had no ballast and I
find I don't need any ballast for landings to be great, but keeping those
items in there is still a great idea. There are so many ways to get stuck
on a cross-country kit, I try to keep a little ready. After rebuilding my
mag I even kept the old parts in a jar so that I could do a quick bit of
field work if something went amiss.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
do not archive
David McNeill wrote:
> I think you might be missing the boat if you don't carry about 20-25#
> tool box in the baggage area. If you have a maintenance problem away
> from home; you are the maintenance man. Many FBOs will not touch your
> airplane because they do not have the necessary "data" and continuing
> airworthiness data. It won't make any difference if you have a
> Lycosauras or something else. BTDT
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> --
> *From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Jim
> *Sent:* Friday, July 03, 2009 1:10 PM
> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* Re: RV10-List: Re: -3 degrees flaps
>
> Not only does weight make a difference, but the CG makes a difference
> in the landing flair too. Much like a C-172. Toss a body or two in
> the back seats and the landing flair is automatic. Solo or two in
> front and you will use quite a bit more elevator. I will toss a 25
> bag of shot in the baggage compartment when I fly with just one or two.
>
> During my initial Phase 1 early flights, I put 75 lbs in the opposite
> rear seat. Moved the CG back enough to make the first flights easier.
> Removed them later in the Phase I flights.
>
> but I will say this. This airplane is the most fun flying I have ever
> had.
>
> Jim C
> N312F - Flying and loving every minute of it!
>
> ---------------------------------------------
>
>
>
> As Jim mentioned, don't forget the weight. The -10 can have a large
> variation in weight. If the over-the-fence "right" number for you is
> 70 KIAS at 2700 lbs, then the same "right" number is 60 KIAS at 2000 lbs.
> Quite a difference!
>
> --------
> Bob Turner
> RV-10 QB
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=251347#251347
>
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We are just finishing a 3 week outback Australia flying holiday.
We have taken everything bar the kitchen sink. What we have used so far
Torch
Safetey tie wire
Somewhere to store front spat after it gets broken on bush strip (soooo
thats why no bush planes here have spats!).
Lots of oil . About 1 Quart every 7 hours. Hope that is not to much.
Chris VH-ICY Stuck in Parkes NSW (where the movie The Dish was made)
due to rain.
----- Original Message -----
From: Roger Standley
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, July 04, 2009 12:58 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Tool kit
This is a great topic. We all do plenty of maintenance to prevent a
problem away from home. The items in the suggested tool kit probably
came to mind because of possible problems, from experience or imagined.
What are the top ten "most likely" problems that you might foresee? I'll
start the list:
1. Low or flat tire
2. Dead battery
3.
----- Original Message -----
From: David McNeill
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, July 03, 2009 5:24 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Tool kit
I sometimes joke that I can handle anything short of an engine
overhaul or
wing removal. I carry:
a 1/4 and 3/6" drive sets
Spark plug socket
combo wrenches from 1/4 to 7/8"
Mechanical and magnetic grapplers
Slotted and Phillips head 1 and 2
needle nose and vise grip pliers
safety wire and pliers
Four small trays of additional fasteners and tie wraps
Small and normal size dikes
Voltmeter with leads and extra alligator clip jumpers
Avionics removal tool
Forceps both straight and curved
Allen wrenches both English and metric
Misc caps and plugs for fluid/air lines
Other small one off items that escape memory
Also I carry separately the gust locks, tie down lugs and Plexus, a
couple
of spare plugs and contactors
I would have to borrow tools for a sheet metal repair.
Lastly I carry a USB memory stick with all the airframe pdf plans,
install
manuals, operation manuals etc (893MB)
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Sent: Friday, July 03, 2009 3:49 PM
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: -3 degrees flaps
Like you, I usually carry a small tool kit with a spare spark plug
of each
type, plug wrench, small socket set, multi-screwdriver, and
wrenches. Then
there's the spare quart of oil, and often the tie-down anchors. Add
to that
a small bag of windshield cleaning supplies and spray wax for the
wings, and
I've got a little semi-permanent ballast. After flying it for a
while I've
done plenty of flights just checking things out where I had no
ballast and I
find I don't need any ballast for landings to be great, but keeping
those
items in there is still a great idea. There are so many ways to get
stuck
on a cross-country kit, I try to keep a little ready. After
rebuilding my
mag I even kept the old parts in a jar so that I could do a quick
bit of
field work if something went amiss.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
do not archive
David McNeill wrote:
> I think you might be missing the boat if you don't carry about
20-25#
> tool box in the baggage area. If you have a maintenance problem
away
> from home; you are the maintenance man. Many FBOs will not touch
your
> airplane because they do not have the necessary "data" and
continuing
> airworthiness data. It won't make any difference if you have a
> Lycosauras or something else. BTDT
>
>
----------------------------------------------------------------------
> --
> *From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Jim
> *Sent:* Friday, July 03, 2009 1:10 PM
> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* Re: RV10-List: Re: -3 degrees flaps
>
> Not only does weight make a difference, but the CG makes a
difference
> in the landing flair too. Much like a C-172. Toss a body or two
in
> the back seats and the landing flair is automatic. Solo or two in
> front and you will use quite a bit more elevator. I will toss a
25
> bag of shot in the baggage compartment when I fly with just one or
two.
>
> During my initial Phase 1 early flights, I put 75 lbs in the
opposite
> rear seat. Moved the CG back enough to make the first flights
easier.
> Removed them later in the Phase I flights.
>
> but I will say this. This airplane is the most fun flying I have
ever
> had.
>
> Jim C
> N312F - Flying and loving every minute of it!
>
> ---------------------------------------------
>
>
<bobturner@alum.rpi.edu>
>
> As Jim mentioned, don't forget the weight. The -10 can have a
large
> variation in weight. If the over-the-fence "right" number for you
is
> 70 KIAS at 2700 lbs, then the same "right" number is 60 KIAS at
2000 lbs.
> Quite a difference!
>
> --------
> Bob Turner
> RV-10 QB
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=251347#251347
>
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