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Sat 07/04/09


Total Messages Posted: 15



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     1. 07:10 AM - baggage compartment tie downs (jayb)
     2. 07:16 AM - Re: baggage compartment tie downs (Dave Saylor)
     3. 07:22 AM - Re: baggage compartment tie downs (David McNeill)
     4. 08:41 AM - Re: baggage compartment tie downs (orchidman)
     5. 08:57 AM - Pitot cover (orchidman)
     6. 09:47 AM - Re: Re: baggage compartment tie downs (David McNeill)
     7. 11:54 AM - Dimple wing walk area (nicholscatoauto@aol.com)
     8. 01:07 PM - Re: baggage compartment tie downs (AirMike)
     9. 01:10 PM - Re: Pitot cover (Tim Olson)
    10. 01:18 PM - Re: Pitot cover (AirMike)
    11. 01:27 PM - Re: Re: baggage compartment tie downs (David McNeill)
    12. 01:41 PM - Re: Dimple wing walk area (Carl Froehlich)
    13. 03:09 PM - Re: baggage compartment tie downs (Rene)
    14. 03:42 PM - Re: Pitot cover (Miller John)
    15. 09:20 PM - Re: Pitot cover (orchidman)
 
 
 


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    Time: 07:10:13 AM PST US
    Subject: baggage compartment tie downs
    From: "jayb" <jaybrinkmeyer@yahoo.com>
    I keep adding distractions to keep me from going back to work on the doors... How does one keep items stowed in the baggage compartment from bouncing around and ruining a perfectly good airplane. The plans were pretty silent in that area. Cargo netting? Strap attach hardpoints? Cheers, Jay ... Fun with baffles Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=251440#251440


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    Time: 07:16:34 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: baggage compartment tie downs
    From: Dave Saylor <dave.saylor.aircrafters@gmail.com>
    Jay, Please see the third item down at: http://www.aircraftersllc.com/products.htm > How does one keep items stowed in the baggage compartment from bouncing > around and ruining a perfectly good airplane. The plans were pretty silent > in that area. Cargo netting? Strap attach hardpoints? > > - Dave Saylor AirCrafters LLC 140 Aviation Way Watsonville, CA 95076 831-722-9141 Shop 831-750-0284 Cell


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    Time: 07:22:37 AM PST US
    From: "David McNeill" <dlm46007@cox.net>
    Subject: baggage compartment tie downs
    Bungee cords or net, both anchored. See anchors -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of jayb Sent: Saturday, July 04, 2009 7:09 AM Subject: RV10-List: baggage compartment tie downs I keep adding distractions to keep me from going back to work on the doors... How does one keep items stowed in the baggage compartment from bouncing around and ruining a perfectly good airplane. The plans were pretty silent in that area. Cargo netting? Strap attach hardpoints? Cheers, Jay ... Fun with baffles Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=251440#251440


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    Time: 08:41:47 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: baggage compartment tie downs
    From: "orchidman" <gary@wingscc.com>
    dave.saylor.aircrafters(a wrote: > Jay, > > Please see the third item down at: > > http://www.aircraftersllc.com/products.htm (http://www.aircraftersllc.com/products.htm) > I would recommend getting 6 from Dave. One each for each corner in the baggage compartment and one for each side to the passenger footwell. When securing items in the passenger seats, the seat belts work but they pull rearward. Having the ability to tie forward is also nice. The tie downs fold down and my Pax don't notice them at all. -------- Gary Blankenbiller RV10 - # 40674 (N2GB Flying) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=251455#251455


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    Time: 08:57:13 AM PST US
    Subject: Pitot cover
    From: "orchidman" <gary@wingscc.com>
    Well it is summer time and the mud dobbers finally got me. I have the GRETZ heated pitot tube and yesterday on TO the plane was accelerating faster then the airspeed. The plane jumped into the air at 60 KIAS. Climb out I got to about 70. Coming back around for a landing I was doing 50 on downwind and 0 on turn to final. [Shocked] Wonder what my miles per gallon flown was [Mr. Green] Took less then an hour to clean, test and flight check. Question: What are people using for a pitot cover? I can make one but ACS has one for $6.95 (#15210) but I am not sure if this one will fit and if it is the best option. -------- Gary Blankenbiller RV10 - # 40674 (N2GB Flying) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=251461#251461


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    Time: 09:47:08 AM PST US
    From: "David McNeill" <dlm46007@cox.net>
    Subject: Re: baggage compartment tie downs
    Its possible to make them using aluminum or stainless hinge of sufficient width. I made mine for about $10 of material from McMaster Carr plus of course my labor. The idea of adding them to the rear passenger footwalls is a good idea. I might add that they could also fit outboard of the rear seat cushions. -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of orchidman Sent: Saturday, July 04, 2009 8:39 AM Subject: RV10-List: Re: baggage compartment tie downs dave.saylor.aircrafters(a wrote: > Jay, > > Please see the third item down at: > > http://www.aircraftersllc.com/products.htm > (http://www.aircraftersllc.com/products.htm) > I would recommend getting 6 from Dave. One each for each corner in the baggage compartment and one for each side to the passenger footwell. When securing items in the passenger seats, the seat belts work but they pull rearward. Having the ability to tie forward is also nice. The tie downs fold down and my Pax don't notice them at all. -------- Gary Blankenbiller RV10 - # 40674 (N2GB Flying) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=251455#251455


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    Time: 11:54:31 AM PST US
    Subject: Dimple wing walk area
    From: nicholscatoauto@aol.com
    I started to dimple the wing walk area before I read it should be machine countersunk. I am hoping someone else dimpled these areas and it worked out fine. My question is should I continue on and dimple all three layers or buy some new parts and machine counter sink like it says? What benefit is machine countersinking in this area? I should know by now to read ahead three times before proceeding. Thanks for any help, Jeff Nichols #40648


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    Time: 01:07:45 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: baggage compartment tie downs
    From: "AirMike" <Mikeabel@Pacbell.net>
    Cessna has some nice eye bolts that are like the main aircraft tie-downs under the wings (lot smaller) but made for #8 screws. They just screw in. It means just putting in a reinforcement plate and a few flush rivets with a #8 nut plate. The best part is that they just screw right in or out and you can use cheap bungee cords with them. -------- OSH '08 or Bust (busted) be there someday Q/B Kit - FWF end game Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=251489#251489


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    Time: 01:10:01 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Pitot cover
    From: "Tim Olson" <Tim@MyRV10.com>
    I just got one at one of the pilot shops. It's just the red rubber cap, I think 3/4", that has the "remove before flight" streamer on it. There were 2 sizes, and I think I bought the larger one. No big deal. I have the gretz too. Tim > > Well it is summer time and the mud dobbers finally got me. > > I have the GRETZ heated pitot tube and yesterday on TO the plane was > accelerating faster then the airspeed. The plane jumped into the air at > 60 KIAS. Climb out I got to about 70. Coming back around for a landing I > was doing 50 on downwind and 0 on turn to final. [Shocked] > Wonder what my miles per gallon flown was [Mr. Green] > > Took less then an hour to clean, test and flight check. > > Question: What are people using for a pitot cover? I can make one but > ACS has one for $6.95 (#15210) but I am not sure if this one will fit and > if it is the best option. > > -------- > Gary Blankenbiller > RV10 - # 40674 > (N2GB Flying) > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=251461#251461 > >


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    Time: 01:18:31 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Pitot cover
    From: "AirMike" <Mikeabel@Pacbell.net>
    Good flying Gary. After this happens once you will NEVER fail to put a pitot cover on your plane's pitot head - even in the hanger. The Spruce item with the velcro works well. Make it a double check part of your check list, especially on the low wing aircraft. You will also learn that it is important to not just see that the A/S comes alive on the takeoff roll, but that it correlates to your approximate speed. -------- OSH '08 or Bust (busted) be there someday Q/B Kit - FWF end game Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=251492#251492


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    Time: 01:27:10 PM PST US
    From: "David McNeill" <dlm46007@cox.net>
    Subject: Re: baggage compartment tie downs
    Had those in my C177RG. The problem with those is that they have to be offset from the sides/corners to allow insertion/extraction. When unused the luggage sits atop them. Mine went through the carpet. A hassle to remove and store. Flat hinges with one side riveted to the floor can lie flat under the carpet while the other side protrudes to use by bungee cords or nets. Or the hinges (both sides) can lie flat and unseen beneath the carpet. -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of AirMike Sent: Saturday, July 04, 2009 1:07 PM Subject: RV10-List: Re: baggage compartment tie downs Cessna has some nice eye bolts that are like the main aircraft tie-downs under the wings (lot smaller) but made for #8 screws. They just screw in. It means just putting in a reinforcement plate and a few flush rivets with a #8 nut plate. The best part is that they just screw right in or out and you can use cheap bungee cords with them. -------- OSH '08 or Bust (busted) be there someday Q/B Kit - FWF end game Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=251489#251489


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    Time: 01:41:07 PM PST US
    From: "Carl Froehlich" <carl.froehlich@verizon.net>
    Subject: Dimple wing walk area
    I think you will be fine dimpling the skin, wing walk doubler and ribs. Carl Froehlich RV-8A (500 hrs) RV-10 (fuselage) From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of nicholscatoauto@aol.com Sent: Saturday, July 04, 2009 2:53 PM Subject: RV10-List: Dimple wing walk area I started to dimple the wing walk area before I read it should be machine countersunk. I am hoping someone else dimpled these areas and it worked out fine. My question is should I continue on and dimple all three layers or buy some new parts and machine counter sink like it says? What benefit is machine countersinking in this area? I should know by now to read ahead three times before proceeding. Thanks for any help, Jeff Nichols #40648 _____ Save energy, paper and money -- <http://toolbar.aol.com/green/download.html?ncid=emlweusdown00000039> get the Green Toolbar.


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    Time: 03:09:39 PM PST US
    From: "Rene" <rene@felker.com>
    Subject: baggage compartment tie downs
    I supported the friendly kit manufacture......late add to my kit. I used rivnuts to install.....bungee cords to hold down the load... http://www.vansaircraft.com/cgi-bin/catalog.cgi?ident=1246744686-468-747&bro wse=airframe&product=tie-down Rene' 801-721-6080 -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of jayb Sent: Saturday, July 04, 2009 8:09 AM Subject: RV10-List: baggage compartment tie downs I keep adding distractions to keep me from going back to work on the doors... How does one keep items stowed in the baggage compartment from bouncing around and ruining a perfectly good airplane. The plans were pretty silent in that area. Cargo netting? Strap attach hardpoints? Cheers, Jay ... Fun with baffles Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=251440#251440


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    Time: 03:42:55 PM PST US
    From: Miller John <gengrumpy@aol.com>
    Subject: Re: Pitot cover
    The "L" shaped one from Spruce works great and for under $10. Never leave the pitot tube uncovered!!! Think the surprise had you been heading off into IMC...... grumpy N184JM do not archive On Jul 4, 2009, at 10:56 AM, orchidman wrote: > > Well it is summer time and the mud dobbers finally got me. > > I have the GRETZ heated pitot tube and yesterday on TO the plane was > accelerating faster then the airspeed. The plane jumped into the > air at 60 KIAS. Climb out I got to about 70. Coming back around > for a landing I was doing 50 on downwind and 0 on turn to final. > [Shocked] > Wonder what my miles per gallon flown was [Mr. Green] > > Took less then an hour to clean, test and flight check. > > Question: What are people using for a pitot cover? I can make one > but ACS has one for $6.95 (#15210) but I am not sure if this one > will fit and if it is the best option. > > -------- > Gary Blankenbiller > RV10 - # 40674 > (N2GB Flying) > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=251461#251461 > >


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    Time: 09:20:44 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Pitot cover
    From: "orchidman" <gary@wingscc.com>
    gengrumpy(at)aol.com wrote: > The "L" shaped one from Spruce works great and for under $10. > > Never leave the pitot tube uncovered!!! > > Think the surprise had you been heading off into IMC...... > > grumpy > N184JM > I knew I would need a cover but put off getting one. Right now I have some of the blue painters tape keeping the little guys out with a tail hanging about to the floor. Monday, I will order the larger of the 2 sizes. Thanks. Before my first flight there were several of the 'airport bums' [Wink] asking when was I going to do my high speed taxing and I would reply back Van's thoughts about not doing them. This plane accelerates so fast that I cross check the engine instruments while watching outside until almost rotate speed and then check the airspeed indicator. It was low but not that low so I did what the plane told me it wanted to do. I felt safer flying the plane then trying to do a high speed abort on the runway. With my past training and the flying of my -10, I feel comfortable flying the plane by the seat of my pants, sounds and visual cues. For new pilots, I sure hope that your flight instructors give you good training on partial panel, including full loss of airspeed. You never know when it will be used. Mine went up to about 70 KIAS and then did a genital decrease to zero. The comment about if I was in the soup, well I would fly the plane first and then later on, with my 496, bring up the instrument screen. It has a GPS airspeed which would give you something in the ball park. Combine that with the winds for the airport and you should be within 10 knots, more then safe for lowering flaps and starting an approach. This is a great plane !!!! -------- Gary Blankenbiller RV10 - # 40674 (N2GB Flying) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=251547#251547




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