Today's Message Index:
----------------------
1. 04:42 AM - Re: Signs of the times (johngoodman)
2. 06:04 AM - Re: LSE cooling (orchidman)
3. 07:07 AM - Re: LSE cooling (Condrey, Bob (US SSA))
4. 08:56 AM - Re: LSE cooling (Robert Brunkenhoefer)
5. 11:52 AM - local training? (Dawson-Townsend,Timothy)
6. 12:14 PM - Re: local training? (David McNeill)
7. 12:21 PM - Re: local training? (John Jessen)
8. 12:43 PM - Re: local training? (David McNeill)
9. 12:44 PM - Re: local training? (Condrey, Bob (US SSA))
10. 12:52 PM - Visiting Osh and California (Michael Wellenzohn)
11. 12:54 PM - Re: local training? (Rene Felker)
12. 01:19 PM - Re: Visiting Osh and California (Robin Marks)
13. 01:24 PM - Re: Visiting Osh and California (Bob Leffler)
14. 01:26 PM - Re: local training? (John Jessen)
15. 01:54 PM - Re: local training? (Kelly McMullen)
16. 02:19 PM - Re: local training? (John Jessen)
17. 02:55 PM - =?UTF-8?Q?Re: local training=3F? (Chris Klugewicz)
18. 03:12 PM - Re: Visiting Osh and California (Don McDonald)
19. 03:47 PM - Re: Visiting Osh and California (Albert Gardner)
20. 03:57 PM - Re: Starter replacementStarter replacement (pascal)
21. 04:08 PM - Re: Visiting Osh and California (Dave Saylor)
22. 04:17 PM - Re: Starter replacementStarter replacement (Kelly McMullen)
23. 04:35 PM - Re: local training? (David McNeill)
24. 05:06 PM - Re: local training? (Kelly McMullen)
25. 05:50 PM - Re: local training? (Tim Olson)
26. 06:06 PM - Re: local training? (Kelly McMullen)
27. 06:44 PM - Re: Starter replacementStarter replacement (tomhanaway)
28. 07:21 PM - Re: Re: Starter replacementStarter replacement (Chris)
29. 07:23 PM - Re: Pitot test rig (was Pitot cover) (Lenny Iszak)
30. 07:50 PM - Re: local training? (David McNeill)
31. 11:10 PM - Re: local training? (Ben Westfall)
Message 1
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: Signs of the times |
I guess you missed my point - what does that have to do with Trade-A-Plane?
John
--------
#40572 QB Fuselage, wings finished. Finish Kit started.
N711JG reserved
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=251897#251897
Message 2
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
partner14 wrote:
> For those of you with the Lightspeed ignition, how are you cooling the main box?
Spruce carries several cooling fans, most with multiple ports. Is this the
only answer?
I am using Stein's 3 output fan.
1. LSE
2. 430W
3. 327
That's all I needed.
--------
Gary Blankenbiller
RV10 - # 40674
(N2GB Flying)
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=251911#251911
Message 3
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
I have a 3 port avionics blower. One of the ports is split into 2
outputs to feed each of my LSE ignitions (3/8" air inlets). According
to Klaus you don't need much volume, just something to move the air
around so just about anything you pick will do fine.
Bob
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of partner14
Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 12:52 AM
Subject: RV10-List: LSE cooling
<building_partner@yahoo.com>
For those of you with the Lightspeed ignition, how are you cooling the
main box? Spruce carries several cooling fans, most with multiple
ports. Is this the only answer?
--------
Don A. McDonald
40636
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=251881#251881
Message 4
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
that's what i use. hooking one port to the cooling intake port on the
unit. klaus said to do it that way. robert
On Jul 7, 2009, at 12:51 AM, partner14 wrote:
> >
>
> For those of you with the Lightspeed ignition, how are you cooling
> the main box? Spruce carries several cooling fans, most with
> multiple ports. Is this the only answer?
>
> --------
> Don A. McDonald
> 40636
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=251881#251881
>
>
Message 5
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
Listers:
Issue: want to log some more hours in something with a constant-speed
prop. What aircraft that I might find somewhere at local flight schools
might be most "like" an RV-10?
My best idea so far is a DA40 - has a center stick, constant speed, a
little low on the HP
Other ideas?
TDT
Tim Dawson-Townsend
40025
tdt@aurora.aero
617-500-4812 (office)
617-905-4800 (mobile)
Message 6
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
Piper Dakota. same HP, constant prop, fixed gear.
_____
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
Dawson-Townsend,Timothy
Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 11:51 AM
Subject: RV10-List: local training?
Listers:
Issue: want to log some more hours in something with a constant-speed prop.
What aircraft that I might find somewhere at local flight schools might be
most "like" an RV-10?
My best idea so far is a DA40 - has a center stick, constant speed, a little
low on the HP
Other ideas?
TDT
Tim Dawson-Townsend
40025
tdt@aurora.aero
617-500-4812 (office)
617-905-4800 (mobile)
Message 7
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
Not all that much like an RV-10, but you can use an Arrow to get both
constant speed and complex time. It's low wing, but certainly not as
powerful as the RV. Some flight schools have the Katana, which is the older
2-seat version of the DA-40. That has constant speed. Uncomfortable as
hell, though. If you don't mind high wing, find a 182. Often the CAP folks
rent out their 182's. Helps pay their bills.
John J
_____
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
Dawson-Townsend,Timothy
Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 11:51 AM
Subject: RV10-List: local training?
Listers:
Issue: want to log some more hours in something with a constant-speed prop.
What aircraft that I might find somewhere at local flight schools might be
most "like" an RV-10?
My best idea so far is a DA40 - has a center stick, constant speed, a little
low on the HP
Other ideas?
TDT
Tim Dawson-Townsend
40025
tdt@aurora.aero
617-500-4812 (office)
617-905-4800 (mobile)
Message 8
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
If you are renting be sure and have some short term renter's insurance. You
don't want the rentor's insurance company subrogating against you. The
financial impact of even an incident is guaranteed to complicate the RV10
build.
_____
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Jessen
Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 12:17 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: local training?
Not all that much like an RV-10, but you can use an Arrow to get both
constant speed and complex time. It's low wing, but certainly not as
powerful as the RV. Some flight schools have the Katana, which is the older
2-seat version of the DA-40. That has constant speed. Uncomfortable as
hell, though. If you don't mind high wing, find a 182. Often the CAP folks
rent out their 182's. Helps pay their bills.
John J
_____
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
Dawson-Townsend,Timothy
Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 11:51 AM
Subject: RV10-List: local training?
Listers:
Issue: want to log some more hours in something with a constant-speed prop.
What aircraft that I might find somewhere at local flight schools might be
most "like" an RV-10?
My best idea so far is a DA40 - has a center stick, constant speed, a little
low on the HP
Other ideas?
TDT
Tim Dawson-Townsend
40025
tdt@aurora.aero
617-500-4812 (office)
617-905-4800 (mobile)
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List">http://www.matronics.com
/Navigator?RV10-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c
Message 9
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
Tim,
I wouldn't worry about trying to find something that "like" an RV-10
because you really won't. Find something that's fixed gear and constant
speed and go with it - that will get you in the groove of dealing with
the blue knob. I don't know what you're used to flying but it's likely
that the two biggest transition areas are going to be speed management
and the avionics. If you're going with a G900 panel and can find a
rental with a G1000 and constant speed prop that would be ideal. The
stick will take just a few minutes to get used to.
Bob
_____
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
Dawson-Townsend,Timothy
Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 1:51 PM
Subject: RV10-List: local training?
Listers:
Issue: want to log some more hours in something with a constant-speed
prop. What aircraft that I might find somewhere at local flight schools
might be most "like" an RV-10?
My best idea so far is a DA40 - has a center stick, constant speed, a
little low on the HP
Other ideas?
TDT
Tim Dawson-Townsend
40025
tdt@aurora.aero
617-500-4812 (office)
617-905-4800 (mobile)
Message 10
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Visiting Osh and California |
Hi Listers,
I'll be in Osh with my wife and after that we are planning through California.
I was just wondering if there are any flying RV-10 there to visit.
Best Regards
Michael
Switzerland
www.wellenzohn.net
--------
RV-10 builder (avionics, wiring)
#511
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=251996#251996
Message 11
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
Also need to make sure it is high performance. Will need that sign off.
>200HP. Beech Sierra won't work, or anything else with a 200HP motor.
Don't know what is in a DA-40.
Rene' Felker
RV-10 N423CF Flying
801-721-6080
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Jessen
Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 1:17 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: local training?
Not all that much like an RV-10, but you can use an Arrow to get both
constant speed and complex time. It's low wing, but certainly not as
powerful as the RV. Some flight schools have the Katana, which is the older
2-seat version of the DA-40. That has constant speed. Uncomfortable as
hell, though. If you don't mind high wing, find a 182. Often the CAP folks
rent out their 182's. Helps pay their bills.
John J
_____
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
Dawson-Townsend,Timothy
Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 11:51 AM
Subject: RV10-List: local training?
Listers:
Issue: want to log some more hours in something with a constant-speed prop.
What aircraft that I might find somewhere at local flight schools might be
most "like" an RV-10?
My best idea so far is a DA40 - has a center stick, constant speed, a little
low on the HP
Other ideas?
TDT
Tim Dawson-Townsend
40025
tdt@aurora.aero
617-500-4812 (office)
617-905-4800 (mobile)
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List">http://www.matronics.com
/Navigator?RV10-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c
Message 12
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Visiting Osh and California |
N110EE based in CA at SBP & WHP
For a vacation spot it's hard to do better than SBP up to MRY.
Robin
Do Not Archive
www.painttheweb.com/rv-10
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael
Wellenzohn
Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 12:52 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Visiting Osh and California
<rv-10@wellenzohn.net>
Hi Listers,
I'll be in Osh with my wife and after that we are planning through
California. I was just wondering if there are any flying RV-10 there to
visit.
Best Regards
Michael
Switzerland
www.wellenzohn.net
--------
RV-10 builder (avionics, wiring)
#511
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=251996#251996
Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
07/07/09 05:53:00
Message 13
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Visiting Osh and California |
There will be at least seven at OSH.
http://www.myrv10.com/osh/2009_Campsites.html
You can check Tim's Builders list to see if any are in the cities that
you'll be visiting. http://www.myrv10.com/builderslist You need to
register first to get access, if you haven't already.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael
Wellenzohn
Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 3:52 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Visiting Osh and California
Hi Listers,
I'll be in Osh with my wife and after that we are planning through
California. I was just wondering if there are any flying RV-10 there to
visit.
Best Regards
Michael
Switzerland
www.wellenzohn.net
--------
RV-10 builder (avionics, wiring)
#511
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=251996#251996
Message 14
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
The Arrow is usually classified as high performance, if memory serves. But,
you certainly don't need complex. I think a Dakota would be the other Piper
choice, maybe even a better solution. You just need to be familiar with
handling the prop, so really anything that has 210 and over in horsepower
and a constant speed should be okay.
_____
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rene Felker
Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 12:54 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: local training?
Also need to make sure it is high performance. Will need that sign off.
>200HP. Beech Sierra won't work, or anything else with a 200HP motor.
Don't know what is in a DA-40.
Rene' Felker
RV-10 N423CF Flying
801-721-6080
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Jessen
Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 1:17 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: local training?
Not all that much like an RV-10, but you can use an Arrow to get both
constant speed and complex time. It's low wing, but certainly not as
powerful as the RV. Some flight schools have the Katana, which is the older
2-seat version of the DA-40. That has constant speed. Uncomfortable as
hell, though. If you don't mind high wing, find a 182. Often the CAP folks
rent out their 182's. Helps pay their bills.
John J
_____
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
Dawson-Townsend,Timothy
Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 11:51 AM
Subject: RV10-List: local training?
Listers:
Issue: want to log some more hours in something with a constant-speed prop.
What aircraft that I might find somewhere at local flight schools might be
most "like" an RV-10?
My best idea so far is a DA40 - has a center stick, constant speed, a little
low on the HP
Other ideas?
TDT
Tim Dawson-Townsend
40025
tdt@aurora.aero
617-500-4812 (office)
617-905-4800 (mobile)
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List">http://www.matronics.com
/Navigator?RV10-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List
http://forums.matronics.com
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Message 15
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: local training? |
Only the 210 hp Turbo Arrow would be high performance. The 180hp and
most common 200hp Arrows are only complex, not HP. Of the low wing
variety only the SR20 and 22 are going to be similar. Piper Dakota or
PA-28-235 Pathfinder would work.
In fact older SR22's are selling for about what a nice RV-10 costs to
build. Lancair/Columbia/Cessna 350 might work but is a bit hotter and
higher hp.
John Jessen wrote:
> The Arrow is usually classified as high performance, if memory serves.
> But, you certainly don't need complex. I think a Dakota would be the
> other Piper choice, maybe even a better solution. You just need to be
> familiar with handling the prop, so really anything that has 210 and
> over in horsepower and a constant speed should be okay.
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Rene Felker
> *Sent:* Tuesday, July 07, 2009 12:54 PM
> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* RE: RV10-List: local training?
>
> Also need to make sure it is high performance. Will need that sign
> off. >200HP. Beech Sierra wont work, or anything else with a 200HP
> motor. Dont know what is in a DA-40.
>
>
>
> Rene' Felker
>
> RV-10 N423CF Flying
>
> 801-721-6080
>
> *From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *John Jessen
> *Sent:* Tuesday, July 07, 2009 1:17 PM
> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* RE: RV10-List: local training?
>
>
>
> Not all that much like an RV-10, but you can use an Arrow to get both
> constant speed and complex time. It's low wing, but certainly not as
> powerful as the RV. Some flight schools have the Katana, which is the
> older 2-seat version of the DA-40. That has constant speed.
> Uncomfortable as hell, though. If you don't mind high wing, find a
> 182. Often the CAP folks rent out their 182's. Helps pay their bills.
>
>
>
> John J
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> *From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of
> *Dawson-Townsend,Timothy
> *Sent:* Tuesday, July 07, 2009 11:51 AM
> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* RV10-List: local training?
>
> Listers:
>
>
>
> Issue: want to log some more hours in something with a constant-speed
> prop. What aircraft that I might find somewhere at local flight schools
> might be most like an RV-10?
>
>
>
> My best idea so far is a DA40 - has a center stick, constant speed, a
> little low on the HP
>
>
>
> Other ideas?
>
>
> TDT
>
>
>
> Tim Dawson-Townsend
>
> 40025
>
> tdt@aurora.aero <mailto:tdt@aurora.aero>
>
> 617-500-4812 (office)
>
> 617-905-4800 (mobile)
>
>
>
> * *
>
> * *
>
> *href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List*
>
> *href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com*
>
> *href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c*
>
> * *
>
> * *
>
> **
>
> **
>
> **
>
> **
>
> **
>
> **
>
> *http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List*
>
> **
>
> **
>
> **
>
> *http://forums.matronics.com*
>
> **
>
> **
>
> **
>
> **
>
> *http://www.matronics.com/contribution*
>
> **
>
> * *
>
> *
>
> href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List
> href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
> href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c
> *
>
> *
>
>
> *
Message 16
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
Kelly's correct. Now I remember getting short tempered when I had to pay
extra to rent the Turbo Arrow to get the high performance rating.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kelly McMullen
Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 1:53 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: local training?
Only the 210 hp Turbo Arrow would be high performance. The 180hp and most
common 200hp Arrows are only complex, not HP. Of the low wing variety only
the SR20 and 22 are going to be similar. Piper Dakota or
PA-28-235 Pathfinder would work.
In fact older SR22's are selling for about what a nice RV-10 costs to build.
Lancair/Columbia/Cessna 350 might work but is a bit hotter and higher hp.
John Jessen wrote:
> The Arrow is usually classified as high performance, if memory serves.
> But, you certainly don't need complex. I think a Dakota would be the
> other Piper choice, maybe even a better solution. You just need to be
> familiar with handling the prop, so really anything that has 210 and
> over in horsepower and a constant speed should be okay.
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> --
> *From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Rene
> Felker
> *Sent:* Tuesday, July 07, 2009 12:54 PM
> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* RE: RV10-List: local training?
>
> Also need to make sure it is high performance. Will need that sign
> off. >200HP. Beech Sierra won't work, or anything else with a 200HP
> motor. Don't know what is in a DA-40.
>
>
>
> Rene' Felker
>
> RV-10 N423CF Flying
>
> 801-721-6080
>
> *From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *John
> Jessen
> *Sent:* Tuesday, July 07, 2009 1:17 PM
> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* RE: RV10-List: local training?
>
>
>
> Not all that much like an RV-10, but you can use an Arrow to get both
> constant speed and complex time. It's low wing, but certainly not as
> powerful as the RV. Some flight schools have the Katana, which is the
> older 2-seat version of the DA-40. That has constant speed.
> Uncomfortable as hell, though. If you don't mind high wing, find a
> 182. Often the CAP folks rent out their 182's. Helps pay their bills.
>
>
>
> John J
>
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> --
>
> *From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of
> *Dawson-Townsend,Timothy
> *Sent:* Tuesday, July 07, 2009 11:51 AM
> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* RV10-List: local training?
>
> Listers:
>
>
>
> Issue: want to log some more hours in something with a constant-speed
> prop. What aircraft that I might find somewhere at local flight
> schools might be most "like" an RV-10?
>
>
>
> My best idea so far is a DA40 - has a center stick, constant speed, a
> little low on the HP
>
>
>
> Other ideas?
>
>
> TDT
>
>
>
> Tim Dawson-Townsend
>
> 40025
>
> tdt@aurora.aero <mailto:tdt@aurora.aero>
>
> 617-500-4812 (office)
>
> 617-905-4800 (mobile)
>
>
>
> * *
>
> * *
>
> *href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List">http://www.matron
> ics.com/Navigator?RV10-List*
>
> *href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com*
>
> *href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com
> /c*
>
> * *
>
> * *
>
> **
>
> **
>
> **
>
> **
>
> **
>
> **
>
> *http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List*
>
> **
>
> **
>
> **
>
> *http://forums.matronics.com*
>
> **
>
> **
>
> **
>
> **
>
> *http://www.matronics.com/contribution*
>
> **
>
> * *
>
> *
>
> href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List">http://www.matroni
> cs.com/Navigator?RV10-List
> href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
> href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/
> c
> *
>
> *
>
>
> *
Message 17
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | local training=3F? |
Actually, there are a couple of normally aspirated Arrows out there with 201 HP
engines -- there's one at my flight school which is used for both complex and
HP training.
-----Original Message-----
From: "John Jessen" <n212pj@gmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 7, 2009 5:18pm
Subject: RE: RV10-List: local training?
Kelly's correct. Now I remember getting short tempered when I had to pay
extra to rent the Turbo Arrow to get the high performance rating.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kelly McMullen
Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 1:53 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: local training?
Only the 210 hp Turbo Arrow would be high performance. The 180hp and most
common 200hp Arrows are only complex, not HP. Of the low wing variety only
the SR20 and 22 are going to be similar. Piper Dakota or
PA-28-235 Pathfinder would work.
In fact older SR22's are selling for about what a nice RV-10 costs to build.
Lancair/Columbia/Cessna 350 might work but is a bit hotter and higher hp.
John Jessen wrote:
> The Arrow is usually classified as high performance, if memory serves.
> But, you certainly don't need complex. I think a Dakota would be the
> other Piper choice, maybe even a better solution. You just need to be
> familiar with handling the prop, so really anything that has 210 and
> over in horsepower and a constant speed should be okay.
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> --
> *From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Rene
> Felker
> *Sent:* Tuesday, July 07, 2009 12:54 PM
> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* RE: RV10-List: local training?
>
> Also need to make sure it is high performance. Will need that sign
> off. >200HP. Beech Sierra won't work, or anything else with a 200HP
> motor. Don't know what is in a DA-40.
>
>
>
> Rene' Felker
>
> RV-10 N423CF Flying
>
> 801-721-6080
>
> *From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *John
> Jessen
> *Sent:* Tuesday, July 07, 2009 1:17 PM
> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* RE: RV10-List: local training?
>
>
>
> Not all that much like an RV-10, but you can use an Arrow to get both
> constant speed and complex time. It's low wing, but certainly not as
> powerful as the RV. Some flight schools have the Katana, which is the
> older 2-seat version of the DA-40. That has constant speed.
> Uncomfortable as hell, though. If you don't mind high wing, find a
> 182. Often the CAP folks rent out their 182's. Helps pay their bills.
>
>
>
> John J
>
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> --
>
> *From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of
> *Dawson-Townsend,Timothy
> *Sent:* Tuesday, July 07, 2009 11:51 AM
> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* RV10-List: local training?
>
> Listers:
>
>
>
> Issue: want to log some more hours in something with a constant-speed
> prop. What aircraft that I might find somewhere at local flight
> schools might be most "like" an RV-10?
>
>
>
> My best idea so far is a DA40 - has a center stick, constant speed, a
> little low on the HP
>
>
>
> Other ideas?
>
>
> TDT
>
>
>
> Tim Dawson-Townsend
>
> 40025
>
> tdt@aurora.aero <mailto:tdt@aurora.aero>
>
> 617-500-4812 (office)
>
> 617-905-4800 (mobile)
>
>
>
> * *
>
> * *
>
> *href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List">http://www.matron
> ics.com/Navigator?RV10-List*
>
> *href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com*
>
> *href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com
> /c*
>
> * *
>
> * *
>
> **
>
> **
>
> **
>
> **
>
> **
>
> **
>
> *http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List*
>
> **
>
> **
>
> **
>
> *http://forums.matronics.com*
>
> **
>
> **
>
> **
>
> **
>
> *http://www.matronics.com/contribution*
>
> **
>
> * *
>
> *
>
> href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List">http://www.matroni
> cs.com/Navigator?RV10-List
> href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
> href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/
> c
> *
>
> *
>
>
> *
Message 18
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: Visiting Osh and California |
We have 5 RV10's in ther Sacramento area... 2 at Lincoln LHM (Myself, Don M
cDonald, and Mark Carey,- 2 at Cameron Park (Mark Starsky and Steve Barna
rd, and Jim Rore in Stockton..
Don
--- On Tue, 7/7/09, Michael Wellenzohn <rv-10@wellenzohn.net> wrote:
From: Michael Wellenzohn <rv-10@wellenzohn.net>
Subject: RV10-List: Visiting Osh and California
>
Hi Listers,
I'll be in Osh with my wife and after that we are planning through Californ
ia. I was just wondering if there are any flying RV-10 there to visit.
Best Regards
Michael
Switzerland
www.wellenzohn.net
--------
RV-10 builder (avionics, wiring)
#511
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=251996#251996
le, List Admin.
=0A=0A=0A
Message 19
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Visiting Osh and California |
You are welcome in Yuma, AZ. We are on I-8 between Phoenix and San Diego in
the far SW of Arizona. 2 RV-9's and my RV-10. We'll treat you right.
Albert Gardner
N991RV
-----Original Message-----
Hi Listers,
I'll be in Osh with my wife and after that we are planning through
California. I was just wondering if there are any flying RV-10 there to
visit.
Best Regards
Michael
Switzerland
www.wellenzohn.net
--------
RV-10 builder (avionics, wiring)
#511
Message 20
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: Starter replacementStarter replacement |
okay, so I'm a little slow.. how does this compare to the Skytech LS
that comes standard on the Lycoming engines and Van's sells?
Thanks!
Pascal
From: Wayne Edgerton
Sent: Monday, June 22, 2009 5:05 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Starter replacementStarter replacement
Someone pointed out to me that in my post I said volts when I should
have said amps. oops. Below are a few of the differences between the
Sky-Tec NL & the HT model that I took out. As you can see the NL
requires less amps, thus easier to make it turn over, and turns at a
slower RPM, however the NL weighs in at about 1 lb more.
Wayne Edgerton N602WT
NL Model
HT Model
Current 125-185A @ 11V, 140 RPM Test
185-285A @ 11V, 160 RPM Test
Gear Reduction 6.5:1
4.3:1
Weight 9.4 lbs.
8.5 lbs
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of McGann,
Ron
Sent: Sunday, June 21, 2009 3:58 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Starter replacement
--> <Ron.McGann@thalesgroup.com.au>
For those flying, I would be keen to know how many more issues of
insufficient starter torque have been reported. I regularly need
to hold
the starter engaged for several seconds before the engine is
pushed through
compression (when the engine is cold). I was about to relace the
concorde
battery with an odyssey, but perhaps I need a higher torque
starter??
Cheers
Ron
VH-XRM
Flying in Oz
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Wayne
Edgerton
Sent: Friday, 19 June 2009 11:52 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Starter replacement
I don't know if any of you had the problem that I had with the
starter or
not. We installed the engine in 2005 with a Sky-Tec High Torque HT
starter,
which supposedly was the best one they had back then. Anyway,
whenever I
would do a cold start of the engine the prop would make about a
half
revolution and stop, like it didn't have enough power to it. I
would then
try again and it would turn fine.
Another RV friend of mine on my field told me about a new starter
that
Sky-Tec came out with that took less volts and turned the prop
slower.
It's a High Torque in Line NL. This friend was having the same
problem with
his 7, which has high compression pistons. We both switched to
this new NL
starter and it solved our problem. The new starter weighed a
little bit more
than my old one, something like a pound. I live in TX, so cold
isn't a
problem but I fly up into the cold country and was worried I
wasn't going to
get started on some cold day.
Sky-Tec are really good people located right here near me in
Granbury, TX
and they took my old starter in on trade against the new one and
it cost me
$250 to upgrade. I thought that was a pretty good deal.
Anyway I just thought I would pass this along in case any of you
are
experiencing the same problem as I had.
Wayne Edgerton
N602WT
Message 21
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: Visiting Osh and California |
We'll be back from OSH around August 3rd. Santa Cruz and Monterey are close
by, and you're welcome to park here as long as you like.
Dave Saylor--N921AC 420+ hours
AirCrafters LLC
140 Aviation Way
Watsonville, CA 95076
831-722-9141 Shop
831-750-0284 Cell
On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 12:51 PM, Michael Wellenzohn <rv-10@wellenzohn.net>wrote:
> rv-10@wellenzohn.net>
>
> Hi Listers,
>
> I'll be in Osh with my wife and after that we are planning through
> California. I was just wondering if there are any flying RV-10 there to
> visit.
>
> Best Regards
>
> Michael
>
> Switzerland
> www.wellenzohn.net
>
> --------
> RV-10 builder (avionics, wiring)
> #511
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=251996#251996
>
>
--
Message 22
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: Starter replacementStarter replacement |
Don't even think about the LS series on a 540 engine. Much higher current
draw and lower torque. Likely to have difficulty even getting past first
compression stroke unless you have a very healthy battery.
IMHO the Kelly E drive starter is a better choice than any of the Skytech.
No relation, just comparing specs and reports of satisfied users. Main
difference is a clutch to protect against kickback vs Skytech uses a shear
pin than requires removal of starter to replace.
On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 3:56 PM, pascal <pascal@rv10builder.net> wrote:
> okay, so I'm a little slow.. how does this compare to the Skytech LS that
> comes standard on the Lycoming engines and Van's sells?
> Thanks!
> Pascal
>
> *From:* Wayne Edgerton <wayne.e@grandecom.net>
> *Sent:* Monday, June 22, 2009 5:05 AM
> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* Re: RV10-List: Starter replacementStarter replacement
>
> Someone pointed out to me that in my post I said volts when I should have
> said amps. oops. Below are a few of the differences between the Sky-Tec NL &
> the HT model that I took out. As you can see the NL requires less amps, thus
> easier to make it turn over, and turns at a slower RPM, however the NL
> weighs in at about 1 lb more.
>
> Wayne Edgerton N602WT
>
>
> NL Model
> HT Model
>
> Current 125-185A @ 11V, 140 RPM
> Test 185-285A @ 11V, 160 RPM Test
>
> Gear Reduction
> 6.5:1
> 4.3:1
>
> Weight 9.4
> lbs. ÿÿÿÿ ÿÿÿÿ5 lbÿÿÿÿ ÿÿÿÿ
ÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿt faÿÿÿÿimesÿÿÿÿ Romÿÿÿÿessaÿÿÿÿ3ÿÿÿÿsizeÿÿÿÿ/cenÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿ>ÿÿÿÿt siÿÿÿÿ1 faÿÿÿÿimesÿÿÿÿ Romÿÿÿÿ <ÿÿÿÿEVIOÿÿÿÿfontÿÿÿÿ>ÿÿÿÿp toÿÿÿÿVIOUÿÿÿÿssagÿÿÿÿont>ÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿ><ÿÿÿÿli><ÿÿÿÿEF="ÿÿÿÿSAGEÿÿÿÿ ÿÿÿÿNÿÿÿÿ/fonÿÿÿÿb><ÿÿÿÿfontÿÿÿÿe=-1ÿÿÿÿe=TiÿÿÿÿNew ÿÿÿÿn>
ÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿ ÿÿÿÿIST<ÿÿÿÿt><ÿÿÿÿ sizÿÿÿÿ facÿÿÿÿmes ÿÿÿÿRomaÿÿÿÿ> Reÿÿÿÿto LÿÿÿÿRegaÿÿÿÿg thÿÿÿÿessaÿÿÿÿfontÿÿÿÿ>ÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿref=ÿÿÿÿlto:ÿÿÿÿavidÿÿÿÿeillÿÿÿÿ%3Cdÿÿÿÿ007@ÿÿÿÿnet%ÿÿÿÿwnerÿÿÿÿ0-liÿÿÿÿerveÿÿÿÿtronÿÿÿÿcom
ÿÿÿÿohn ÿÿÿÿen%2ÿÿÿÿCn21ÿÿÿÿgmaiÿÿÿÿm%3Eÿÿÿÿer-rÿÿÿÿlistÿÿÿÿver@ÿÿÿÿonicÿÿÿÿm?suÿÿÿÿt=Reÿÿÿÿ10-Lÿÿÿÿ locÿÿÿÿrainÿÿÿÿ
locÿÿÿÿrainÿÿÿÿ
locÿÿÿÿrainÿÿÿÿ
locÿÿÿÿrainÿÿÿÿ">SEÿÿÿÿ<ÿÿÿÿ/td>ÿÿÿÿ<ÿÿÿÿeplyÿÿÿÿSENDÿÿÿÿegarÿÿÿÿ thiÿÿÿÿssagÿÿÿÿont>ÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿ>ÿÿÿÿ>
ÿÿÿÿ
ÿÿÿÿ<ÿÿÿÿidthÿÿÿÿ%" aÿÿÿÿ="leÿÿÿÿ<ÿÿÿÿ sizÿÿÿÿfaceÿÿÿÿmes ÿÿÿÿromaÿÿÿÿimesÿÿÿÿlor=ÿÿÿÿ0000ÿÿÿÿme: ÿÿÿÿ><ÿÿÿÿ:35:ÿÿÿÿM PSÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿ>ÿÿÿÿDaviÿÿÿÿNeilÿÿÿÿlt;<ÿÿÿÿef="ÿÿÿÿto:dÿÿÿÿ007@ÿÿÿÿnet"ÿÿÿÿ4600ÿÿÿÿx.neÿÿÿÿ>>ÿÿÿÿ>ÿÿÿÿ>ÿÿÿÿect:ÿÿÿÿ><ÿÿÿÿ sizÿÿÿÿfaceÿÿÿÿmes ÿÿÿÿromaÿÿÿÿimesÿÿÿÿlor=ÿÿÿÿ7000ÿÿÿÿ>ÿÿÿÿocalÿÿÿÿininÿÿÿÿu><ÿÿÿÿle> ÿÿÿÿ
ÿÿÿÿ
ÿÿÿÿust ÿÿÿÿong ÿÿÿÿhat ÿÿÿÿy inÿÿÿÿr loÿÿÿÿk doÿÿÿÿt coÿÿÿÿnderÿÿÿÿutinÿÿÿÿ
ÿÿÿÿhe Fÿÿÿÿr anÿÿÿÿuranÿÿÿÿompaÿÿÿÿIf iÿÿÿÿertiÿÿÿÿ as ÿÿÿÿP, tÿÿÿÿAA iÿÿÿÿt
ÿÿÿÿconcÿÿÿÿd thÿÿÿÿomebÿÿÿÿhas ÿÿÿÿs shÿÿÿÿg 20ÿÿÿÿfor ÿÿÿÿven ÿÿÿÿne.
ÿÿÿÿ
ÿÿÿÿ ---ÿÿÿÿiginÿÿÿÿessaÿÿÿÿ---
ÿÿÿÿ Frÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿr-rvÿÿÿÿist-ÿÿÿÿer@mÿÿÿÿnicsÿÿÿÿ]&gÿÿÿÿ ÿÿÿÿt: Tÿÿÿÿay, ÿÿÿÿ 7, ÿÿÿÿ 5:1ÿÿÿÿ ÿÿÿÿbjecÿÿÿÿE: RÿÿÿÿListÿÿÿÿcal ÿÿÿÿningÿÿÿÿ ÿÿÿÿ
ÿÿÿÿ Keÿÿÿÿs coÿÿÿÿt. ÿÿÿÿI reÿÿÿÿer gÿÿÿÿng sÿÿÿÿ temÿÿÿÿd whÿÿÿÿ hadÿÿÿÿpay
ÿÿÿÿ exÿÿÿÿto rÿÿÿÿthe ÿÿÿÿo Arÿÿÿÿto gÿÿÿÿhe hÿÿÿÿperfÿÿÿÿnce ÿÿÿÿng. ÿÿÿÿ ÿÿÿÿ ÿÿÿÿ-Oriÿÿÿÿl Meÿÿÿÿe---ÿÿÿÿ ÿÿÿÿm: <ÿÿÿÿef="ÿÿÿÿto:oÿÿÿÿ-rv1ÿÿÿÿst-sÿÿÿÿr@maÿÿÿÿics.ÿÿÿÿ>ownÿÿÿÿv10-ÿÿÿÿ-serÿÿÿÿmatrÿÿÿÿs.coÿÿÿÿ>
ÿÿÿÿ[maiÿÿÿÿ On Behalf Of Kelly McMullen
Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 1:53 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: local training?
Only the 210 hp Turbo Arrow would be high performance. The 180hp and most
common 200hp Arrows are only complex, not HP. Of the low wing variety only
the SR20 and 22 are going to be similar. Piper Dakota or
PA-28-235 Pathfinder would work.
In fact older SR22's are selling for about what a nice RV-10 costs to build.
Lancair/Columbia/Cessna 350 might work but is a bit hotter and higher hp.
John Jessen wrote:
> The Arrow is usually classified as high performance, if memory serves.
> But, you certainly don't need complex. I think a Dakota would be the
> other Piper choice, maybe even a better solution. You just need to be
> familiar with handling the prop, so really anything that has 210 and
> over in horsepower and a constant speed should be okay.
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> --
> *From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Rene
> Felker
> *Sent:* Tuesday, July 07, 2009 12:54 PM
> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* RE: RV10-List: local training?
>
> Also need to make sure it is high performance. Will need that sign
> off. >200HP. Beech Sierra won't work, or anything else with a 200HP
> motor. Don't know what is in a DA-40.
>
>
>
> Rene' Felker
>
> RV-10 N423CF Flying
>
> 801-721-6080
>
> *From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *John
> Jessen
> *Sent:* Tuesday, July 07, 2009 1:17 PM
> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* RE: RV10-List: local training?
>
>
>
> Not all that much like an RV-10, but you can use an Arrow to get both
> constant speed and complex time. It's low wing, but certainly not as
> powerful as the RV. Some flight schools have the Katana, which is the
> older 2-seat version of the DA-40. That has constant speed.
> Uncomfortable as hell, though. If you don't mind high wing, find a
> 182. Often the CAP folks rent out their 182's. Helps pay their bills.
>
>
>
> John J
>
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> --
>
> *From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of
> *Dawson-Townsend,Timothy
> *Sent:* Tuesday, July 07, 2009 11:51 AM
> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* RV10-List: local training?
>
> Listers:
>
>
>
> Issue: want to log some more hours in something with a constant-speed
> prop. What aircraft that I might find somewhere at local flight
> schools might be most "like" an RV-10?
>
>
>
> My best idea so far is a DA40 - has a center stick, constant speed, a
> little low on the HP
>
>
>
> Other ideas?
>
>
> TDT
>
>
>
> Tim Dawson-Townsend
>
> 40025
>
> tdt@aurora.aero <mailto:tdt@aurora.aero>
>
> 617-500-4812 (office)
>
> 617-905-4800 (mobile)
>
>
>
> * *
>
> * *
>
> *href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List">http://www.matron
> ics.com/Navigator?RV10-List*
>
> *href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com*
>
> *href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com
> /c*
>
> * *
>
> * *
>
> **
>
> **
>
> **
>
> **
>
> **
>
> **
>
> *http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List*
>
> **
>
> **
>
> **
>
> *http://forums.matronics.com*
>
> **
>
> **
>
> **
>
> **
>
> *http://www.matronics.com/contribution*
>
> **
>
> * *
>
> *
>
> href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List">http://www.matroni
> cs.com/Navigator?RV10-List
> href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
> href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/
> c
> *
>
> *
>
>
> *
Message 24
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: local training? |
If it has the Lycoming IO360 engine, it IS a 200 hp engine. There are not
any certified versions for fixed wing with higher rated horsepower. Even the
STC for 10:1 compression pistons requires de-rating MP to limit the engine
to 200 hp. It doesn't matter what the engine dyno's at, other than FAA limit
is +5% of rated power.
It is rated HP that matters for the HP endorsement. If school is endorsing
based on some phony marketing rating, they and their students risk FAA
action.
On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 2:54 PM, Chris Klugewicz <ck@chesbay.com> wrote:
>
> Actually, there are a couple of normally aspirated Arrows out there with
> 201 HP engines -- there's one at my flight school which is used for both
> complex and HP training.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "John Jessen" <n212pj@gmail.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, July 7, 2009 5:18pm
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: local training?
>
>
> Kelly's correct. Now I remember getting short tempered when I had to pay
> extra to rent the Turbo Arrow to get the high performance rating.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kelly McMullen
> Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 1:53 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: local training?
>
>
> Only the 210 hp Turbo Arrow would be high performance. The 180hp and most
> common 200hp Arrows are only complex, not HP. Of the low wing variety only
> the SR20 and 22 are going to be similar. Piper Dakota or
> PA-28-235 Pathfinder would work.
> In fact older SR22's are selling for about what a nice RV-10 costs to
> build.
> Lancair/Columbia/Cessna 350 might work but is a bit hotter and higher hp.
>
> John Jessen wrote:
> > The Arrow is usually classified as high performance, if memory serves.
> > But, you certainly don't need complex. I think a Dakota would be the
> > other Piper choice, maybe even a better solution. You just need to be
> > familiar with handling the prop, so really anything that has 210 and
> > over in horsepower and a constant speed should be okay.
> >
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> > --
> > *From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Rene
> > Felker
> > *Sent:* Tuesday, July 07, 2009 12:54 PM
> > *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com
> > *Subject:* RE: RV10-List: local training?
> >
> > Also need to make sure it is high performance. Will need that sign
> > off. >200HP. Beech Sierra won't work, or anything else with a 200HP
> > motor. Don't know what is in a DA-40.
> >
> >
> >
> > Rene' Felker
> >
> > RV-10 N423CF Flying
> >
> > 801-721-6080
> >
> > *From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *John
> > Jessen
> > *Sent:* Tuesday, July 07, 2009 1:17 PM
> > *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com
> > *Subject:* RE: RV10-List: local training?
> >
> >
> >
> > Not all that much like an RV-10, but you can use an Arrow to get both
> > constant speed and complex time. It's low wing, but certainly not as
> > powerful as the RV. Some flight schools have the Katana, which is the
> > older 2-seat version of the DA-40. That has constant speed.
> > Uncomfortable as hell, though. If you don't mind high wing, find a
> > 182. Often the CAP folks rent out their 182's. Helps pay their bills.
> >
> >
> >
> > John J
> >
> >
> >
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> > --
> >
> > *From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of
> > *Dawson-Townsend,Timothy
> > *Sent:* Tuesday, July 07, 2009 11:51 AM
> > *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com
> > *Subject:* RV10-List: local training?
> >
> > Listers:
> >
> >
> >
> > Issue: want to log some more hours in something with a constant-speed
> > prop. What aircraft that I might find somewhere at local flight
> > schools might be most "like" an RV-10?
> >
> >
> >
> > My best idea so far is a DA40 - has a center stick, constant speed, a
> > little low on the HP
> >
> >
> >
> > Other ideas?
> >
> >
> > TDT
> >
> >
> >
> > Tim Dawson-Townsend
> >
> > 40025
> >
> > tdt@aurora.aero <mailto:tdt@aurora.aero>
> >
> > 617-500-4812 (office)
> >
> > 617-905-4800 (mobile)
> >
> >
> >
> > * *
> >
> > * *
> >
> > *href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List">http://www.matron
> > ics.com/Navigator?RV10-List*
> >
> > *href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com*
> >
> > *href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com
> > /c*
> >
> > * *
> >
> > * *
> >
> > **
> >
> > **
> >
> > **
> >
> > **
> >
> > **
> >
> > **
> >
> > *http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List*
> >
> > **
> >
> > **
> >
> > **
> >
> > *http://forums.matronics.com*
> >
> > **
> >
> > **
> >
> > **
> >
> > **
> >
> > *http://www.matronics.com/contribution*
> >
> > **
> >
> > * *
> >
> > *
> >
> > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List">http://www.matroni
> > cs.com/Navigator?RV10-List
> > href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
> > href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/
> > c
> > *
> >
> > *
> >
> >
> > *
>
>
Message 25
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: local training? |
Isn't the regulation that it must be GREATER than 200 (ie 201) or it
doesn't qualify for H.P.? I think if anything that the manufacturers
would UNDER list them so they could sell more planes and have a larger
customer base by not having them forced to have an endorsement to fly
it.
Tim
Sent from my iPhone
On Jul 7, 2009, at 6:57 PM, Kelly McMullen <apilot2@gmail.com> wrote:
> If it has the Lycoming IO360 engine, it IS a 200 hp engine. There
> are not any certified versions for fixed wing with higher rated
> horsepower. Even the STC for 10:1 compression pistons requires de-
> rating MP to limit the engine to 200 hp. It doesn't matter what the
> engine dyno's at, other than FAA limit is +5% of rated power.
> It is rated HP that matters for the HP endorsement. If school is
> endorsing based on some phony marketing rating, they and their
> students risk FAA action.
>
> On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 2:54 PM, Chris Klugewicz <ck@chesbay.com>
> wrote:
>
> Actually, there are a couple of normally aspirated Arrows out there
> with 201 HP engines -- there's one at my flight school which is used
> for both complex and HP training.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "John Jessen" <n212pj@gmail.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, July 7, 2009 5:18pm
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: local training?
>
>
> Kelly's correct. Now I remember getting short tempered when I had
> to pay
> extra to rent the Turbo Arrow to get the high performance rating.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kelly
> McMullen
> Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 1:53 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: local training?
>
>
> Only the 210 hp Turbo Arrow would be high performance. The 180hp and
> most
> common 200hp Arrows are only complex, not HP. Of the low wing
> variety only
> the SR20 and 22 are going to be similar. Piper Dakota or
> PA-28-235 Pathfinder would work.
> In fact older SR22's are selling for about what a nice RV-10 costs
> to build.
> Lancair/Columbia/Cessna 350 might work but is a bit hotter and
> higher hp.
>
> John Jessen wrote:
> > The Arrow is usually classified as high performance, if memory
> serves.
> > But, you certainly don't need complex. I think a Dakota would be
> the
> > other Piper choice, maybe even a better solution. You just need
> to be
> > familiar with handling the prop, so really anything that has 210 and
> > over in horsepower and a constant speed should be okay.
> >
> >
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> > --
> > *From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Rene
> > Felker
> > *Sent:* Tuesday, July 07, 2009 12:54 PM
> > *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com
> > *Subject:* RE: RV10-List: local training?
> >
> > Also need to make sure it is high performance. Will need that sign
> > off. >200HP. Beech Sierra won't work, or anything else with a
> 200HP
> > motor. Don't know what is in a DA-40.
> >
> >
> >
> > Rene' Felker
> >
> > RV-10 N423CF Flying
> >
> > 801-721-6080
> >
> > *From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *John
> > Jessen
> > *Sent:* Tuesday, July 07, 2009 1:17 PM
> > *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com
> > *Subject:* RE: RV10-List: local training?
> >
> >
> >
> > Not all that much like an RV-10, but you can use an Arrow to get
> both
> > constant speed and complex time. It's low wing, but certainly not
> as
> > powerful as the RV. Some flight schools have the Katana, which is
> the
> > older 2-seat version of the DA-40. That has constant speed.
> > Uncomfortable as hell, though. If you don't mind high wing, find a
> > 182. Often the CAP folks rent out their 182's. Helps pay their
> bills.
> >
> >
> >
> > John J
> >
> >
> >
> >
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> > --
> >
> > *From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of
> > *Dawson-Townsend,Timothy
> > *Sent:* Tuesday, July 07, 2009 11:51 AM
> > *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com
> > *Subject:* RV10-List: local training?
> >
> > Listers:
> >
> >
> >
> > Issue: want to log some more hours in something with a constant-
> speed
> > prop. What aircraft that I might find somewhere at local flight
> > schools might be most "like" an RV-10?
> >
> >
> >
> > My best idea so far is a DA40 - has a center stick, constant
> speed, a
> > little low on the HP
> >
> >
> >
> > Other ideas?
> >
> >
> > TDT
> >
> >
> >
> > Tim Dawson-Townsend
> >
> > 40025
> >
> > tdt@aurora.aero <mailto:tdt@aurora.aero>
> >
> > 617-500-4812 (office)
> >
> > 617-905-4800 (mobile)
> >
> >
> >
> > * *
> >
> > * *
> >
> > *href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List">http://www.matron
> > ics.com/Navigator?RV10-List*
> >
> > *href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com*
> >
> > *href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com
> > /c*
> >
> > * *
> >
> > * *
> >
> > **
> >
> > **
> >
> > **
> >
> > **
> >
> > **
> >
> > **
> >
> > *http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List*
> >
> > **
> >
> > **
> >
> > **
> >
> > *http://forums.matronics.com*
> >
> > **
> >
> > **
> >
> > **
> >
> > **
> >
> > *http://www.matronics.com/contribution*
> >
> > **
> >
> > * *
> >
> > *
> >
> > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List">http://www.matroni
> > cs.com/Navigator?RV10-List
> > href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
> > href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/
> > c
> > *
> >
> > *
> >
> >
> > *
>
>
> ==========
> arget="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List
> ==========
> http://forums.matronics.com
> ==========
> le, List Admin.
> ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
> ==========
>
>
Message 26
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: local training? |
You are correct. Only TCM makes an IO-360 rated at more than 200hp, as
in 220RV, the 210hp engine. Used in very few certified aircraft without
turbocharging.
Tim Olson wrote:
> Isn't the regulation that it must be GREATER than 200 (ie 201) or it
> doesn't qualify for H.P.? I think if anything that the manufacturers
> would UNDER list them so they could sell more planes and have a larger
> customer base by not having them forced to have an endorsement to fly it.
> Tim
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jul 7, 2009, at 6:57 PM, Kelly McMullen <apilot2@gmail.com
> <mailto:apilot2@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>> If it has the Lycoming IO360 engine, it IS a 200 hp engine. There are
>> not any certified versions for fixed wing with higher rated
>> horsepower. Even the STC for 10:1 compression pistons requires
>> de-rating MP to limit the engine to 200 hp. It doesn't matter what the
>> engine dyno's at, other than FAA limit is +5% of rated power.
>> It is rated HP that matters for the HP endorsement. If school is
>> endorsing based on some phony marketing rating, they and their
>> students risk FAA action.
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 2:54 PM, Chris Klugewicz <
>> <mailto:ck@chesbay.com>ck@chesbay.com <mailto:ck@chesbay.com>> wrote:
>>
>> <mailto:ck@chesbay.com>ck@chesbay.com <mailto:ck@chesbay.com>>
>>
>> Actually, there are a couple of normally aspirated Arrows out
>> there with 201 HP engines -- there's one at my flight school which
>> is used for both complex and HP training.
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: "John Jessen" < <mailto:n212pj@gmail.com>n212pj@gmail.com
>> <mailto:n212pj@gmail.com>>
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 7, 2009 5:18pm
>> To: <mailto:rv10-list@matronics.com>rv10-list@matronics.com
>> <mailto:rv10-list@matronics.com>
>> Subject: RE: RV10-List: local training?
>>
>> <mailto:n212pj@gmail.com>n212pj@gmail.com <mailto:n212pj@gmail.com>>
>>
>> Kelly's correct. Now I remember getting short tempered when I had
>> to pay
>> extra to rent the Turbo Arrow to get the high performance rating.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From:
>> <mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com>owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>> <mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com>
>> [mailto:
>> <mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com>owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>> <mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com>] On Behalf Of Kelly
>> McMullen
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 1:53 PM
>> To: <mailto:rv10-list@matronics.com>rv10-list@matronics.com
>> <mailto:rv10-list@matronics.com>
>> Subject: Re: RV10-List: local training?
>>
>> <mailto:kellym@aviating.com>kellym@aviating.com
>> <mailto:kellym@aviating.com>>
>>
>> Only the 210 hp Turbo Arrow would be high performance. The 180hp
>> and most
>> common 200hp Arrows are only complex, not HP. Of the low wing
>> variety only
>> the SR20 and 22 are going to be similar. Piper Dakota or
>> PA-28-235 Pathfinder would work.
>> In fact older SR22's are selling for about what a nice RV-10 costs
>> to build.
>> Lancair/Columbia/Cessna 350 might work but is a bit hotter and
>> higher hp.
>>
>> John Jessen wrote:
>> > The Arrow is usually classified as high performance, if memory
>> serves.
>> > But, you certainly don't need complex. I think a Dakota would
>> be the
>> > other Piper choice, maybe even a better solution. You just need
>> to be
>> > familiar with handling the prop, so really anything that has 210 and
>> > over in horsepower and a constant speed should be okay.
>> >
>> >
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>> > --
>> > *From:*
>> <mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com>owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>> <mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com>
>> > [mailto:
>> <mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com>owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>> <mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com>] *On Behalf Of *Rene
>> > Felker
>> > *Sent:* Tuesday, July 07, 2009 12:54 PM
>> > *To:* <mailto:rv10-list@matronics.com>rv10-list@matronics.com
>> <mailto:rv10-list@matronics.com>
>> > *Subject:* RE: RV10-List: local training?
>> >
>> > Also need to make sure it is high performance. Will need that sign
>> > off. >200HP. Beech Sierra won't work, or anything else with a
>> 200HP
>> > motor. Don't know what is in a DA-40.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Rene' Felker
>> >
>> > RV-10 N423CF Flying
>> >
>> > 801-721-6080
>> >
>> > *From:*
>> <mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com>owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>> <mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com>
>> > [mailto:
>> <mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com>owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>> <mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com>] *On Behalf Of *John
>> > Jessen
>> > *Sent:* Tuesday, July 07, 2009 1:17 PM
>> > *To:* <mailto:rv10-list@matronics.com>rv10-list@matronics.com
>> <mailto:rv10-list@matronics.com>
>> > *Subject:* RE: RV10-List: local training?
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Not all that much like an RV-10, but you can use an Arrow to get
>> both
>> > constant speed and complex time. It's low wing, but certainly
>> not as
>> > powerful as the RV. Some flight schools have the Katana, which
>> is the
>> > older 2-seat version of the DA-40. That has constant speed.
>> > Uncomfortable as hell, though. If you don't mind high wing, find a
>> > 182. Often the CAP folks rent out their 182's. Helps pay their
>> bills.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > John J
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>> > --
>> >
>> > *From:*
>> <mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com>owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>> <mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com>
>> > [mailto:
>> <mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com>owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>> <mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com>] *On Behalf Of
>> > *Dawson-Townsend,Timothy
>> > *Sent:* Tuesday, July 07, 2009 11:51 AM
>> > *To:* <mailto:rv10-list@matronics.com>rv10-list@matronics.com
>> <mailto:rv10-list@matronics.com>
>> > *Subject:* RV10-List: local training?
>> >
>> > Listers:
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Issue: want to log some more hours in something with a
>> constant-speed
>> > prop. What aircraft that I might find somewhere at local flight
>> > schools might be most "like" an RV-10?
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > My best idea so far is a DA40 - has a center stick, constant
>> speed, a
>> > little low on the HP
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Other ideas?
>> >
>> >
>> > TDT
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Tim Dawson-Townsend
>> >
>> > 40025
>> >
>> > <mailto:tdt@aurora.aero>tdt@aurora.aero <mailto:tdt@aurora.aero>
>> <mailto: <mailto:tdt@aurora.aero>tdt@aurora.aero
>> <mailto:tdt@aurora.aero>>
>> >
>> > 617-500-4812 (office)
>> >
>> > 617-905-4800 (mobile)
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > * *
>> >
>> > * *
>> >
>> > *href="
>> <http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List">
>> <http://www.matron>http://www.matron
>> >
>> <http://ics.com/Navigator?RV10-List*>ics.com/Navigator?RV10-List*
>> <http://ics.com/Navigator?RV10-List*>
>> >
>> > *href="
>> <http://forums.matronics.com>http://forums.matronics.com">
>> <http://forums.matronics.com>http://forums.matronics.com*
>> >
>> > *href="
>> <http://www.matronics.com/contribution>http://www.matronics.com/contribution">
>> <http://www.matronics.com>http://www.matronics.com
>> > /c*
>> >
>> > * *
>> >
>> > * *
>> >
>> > **
>> >
>> > **
>> >
>> > **
>> >
>> > **
>> >
>> > **
>> >
>> > **
>> >
>> > *
>> <http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List*>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List*
>> >
>> > **
>> >
>> > **
>> >
>> > **
>> >
>> > * <http://forums.matronics.com>http://forums.matronics.com*
>> >
>> > **
>> >
>> > **
>> >
>> > **
>> >
>> > **
>> >
>> > *
>> <http://www.matronics.com/contribution*>http://www.matronics.com/contribution*
>> >
>> > **
>> >
>> > * *
>> >
>> > *
>> >
>> > href="
>> <http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List">
>> <http://www.matroni>http://www.matroni
>> > <http://cs.com/Navigator?RV10-List>cs.com/Navigator?RV10-List
>> <http://cs.com/Navigator?RV10-List>
>> > href="
>> <http://forums.matronics.com>http://forums.matronics.com">
>> <http://forums.matronics.com>http://forums.matronics.com
>> > href="
>> <http://www.matronics.com/contribution>http://www.matronics.com/contribution">
>> <http://www.matronics.com/>http://www.matronics.com/
>> > c
>> > *
>> >
>> > *
>> >
>> >
>> > *
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ==========
>> arget="_blank">
>> <http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List
>> ==========
>> <http://forums.matronics.com>http://forums.matronics.com
>> ==========
>> le, List Admin.
>> ="_blank">
>> <http://www.matronics.com/contribution>http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>> ==========
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *
>>
>>
>> *
> *
>
>
> *
Message 27
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: Starter replacementStarter replacement |
When I got my Lycoming IO-540 it came with the LS skytech motor. I purchased it
though Van's at Sun and Fun 2008. A thread was going on at the time that recommended
the NL as a better starter. Of course, I went through the stress thing
of "jeez, I just bought this engine and theres already something not right
:^).
Anyway, I took a look at the Skytech site and they specifically had a note that
the NL should be used rather than the LS. I confirmed it by speaking with Skytech.
The motor had not been hung at the time, much less started. I contacted Lycoming,
referred them to the Skytech website comments about the starter.
Lycoming sent me a new NL starter and I returned the LS. No charge. Left me
pretty impressed with the Lycoming customer service. Your mileage may vary.
Tom Hanaway
N519TP reserved
Boynton Beach, FL
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=252052#252052
Message 28
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: Starter replacementStarter replacement |
Did the same except via skytec.
-Chris
#40072
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of tomhanaway
Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 9:43 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: Starter replacementStarter replacement
When I got my Lycoming IO-540 it came with the LS skytech motor. I
purchased it though Van's at Sun and Fun 2008. A thread was going on at the
time that recommended the NL as a better starter. Of course, I went through
the stress thing of "jeez, I just bought this engine and theres already
something not right :^).
Anyway, I took a look at the Skytech site and they specifically had a note
that the NL should be used rather than the LS. I confirmed it by speaking
with Skytech.
The motor had not been hung at the time, much less started. I contacted
Lycoming, referred them to the Skytech website comments about the starter.
Lycoming sent me a new NL starter and I returned the LS. No charge. Left
me pretty impressed with the Lycoming customer service. Your mileage may
vary.
Tom Hanaway
N519TP reserved
Boynton Beach, FL
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=252052#252052
Message 29
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: Pitot test rig (was Pitot cover) |
I wonder if I could use different type of tubing for the manometer rig. I'd like
to use the tubing supplied for the brakes. Would that change the readings?
Lenny
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=252061#252061
Message 30
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
I submitted a proposal to the FSDO to give transition training in my RV10
commercially. I included that I would include the HP endorsement if
necessary. They came back to me and said that I must agree not to give the
HP endorsement. as it could be accomplished in certified aircraft. They
acknowledged that I would have to train to HP proficiency but could not
signoff per the agreement. I had given consideration to providing RV10
transition for the Southwest. I already had concluded that it was at best a
breakeven deal, The rules on the HP endorsement were the proverbial straw
which made the decision for me..
For those of you needing transition training: If you have 500-1000+ hours
and a CFI friend with an RV10. It may be possible to be added to his policy
as named insured a no additional cost. He cannot legally charge you for his
time or aircraft but you can pay the operational expenses for the flight.
This works only if your insurance requirements are small and your total time
is relatively high. Otherwise your best solution may be OR or TX at $200+
per hour plus living and transportation expense.
_____
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 5:42 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: local training?
Isn't the regulation that it must be GREATER than 200 (ie 201) or it doesn't
qualify for H.P.? I think if anything that the manufacturers would UNDER
list them so they could sell more planes and have a larger customer base by
not having them forced to have an endorsement to fly it.
Tim
Sent from my iPhone
On Jul 7, 2009, at 6:57 PM, Kelly McMullen <apilot2@gmail.com> wrote:
If it has the Lycoming IO360 engine, it IS a 200 hp engine. There are not
any certified versions for fixed wing with higher rated horsepower. Even the
STC for 10:1 compression pistons requires de-rating MP to limit the engine
to 200 hp. It doesn't matter what the engine dyno's at, other than FAA limit
is +5% of rated power.
It is rated HP that matters for the HP endorsement. If school is endorsing
based on some phony marketing rating, they and their students risk FAA
action.
On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 2:54 PM, Chris Klugewicz < <mailto:ck@chesbay.com>
ck@chesbay.com> wrote:
ck@chesbay.com>
Actually, there are a couple of normally aspirated Arrows out there with 201
HP engines -- there's one at my flight school which is used for both complex
and HP training.
-----Original Message-----
From: "John Jessen" < <mailto:n212pj@gmail.com> n212pj@gmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 7, 2009 5:18pm
Subject: RE: RV10-List: local training?
n212pj@gmail.com>
Kelly's correct. Now I remember getting short tempered when I had to pay
extra to rent the Turbo Arrow to get the high performance rating.
-----Original Message-----
From: <mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com>
owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto: <mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com>
owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kelly McMullen
Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 1:53 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: local training?
<mailto:kellym@aviating.com> kellym@aviating.com>
Only the 210 hp Turbo Arrow would be high performance. The 180hp and most
common 200hp Arrows are only complex, not HP. Of the low wing variety only
the SR20 and 22 are going to be similar. Piper Dakota or
PA-28-235 Pathfinder would work.
In fact older SR22's are selling for about what a nice RV-10 costs to build.
Lancair/Columbia/Cessna 350 might work but is a bit hotter and higher hp.
John Jessen wrote:
> The Arrow is usually classified as high performance, if memory serves.
> But, you certainly don't need complex. I think a Dakota would be the
> other Piper choice, maybe even a better solution. You just need to be
> familiar with handling the prop, so really anything that has 210 and
> over in horsepower and a constant speed should be okay.
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> --
> *From:* <mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com>
owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto: <mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com>
owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Rene
> Felker
> *Sent:* Tuesday, July 07, 2009 12:54 PM
> *To:* <mailto:rv10-list@matronics.com> rv10-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* RE: RV10-List: local training?
>
> Also need to make sure it is high performance. Will need that sign
> off. >200HP. Beech Sierra won't work, or anything else with a 200HP
> motor. Don't know what is in a DA-40.
>
>
> Rene' Felker
>
> RV-10 N423CF Flying
>
> 801-721-6080
>
> *From:* <mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com>
owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto: <mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com>
owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *John
> Jessen
> *Sent:* Tuesday, July 07, 2009 1:17 PM
> *To:* <mailto:rv10-list@matronics.com> rv10-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* RE: RV10-List: local training?
>
>
> Not all that much like an RV-10, but you can use an Arrow to get both
> constant speed and complex time. It's low wing, but certainly not as
> powerful as the RV. Some flight schools have the Katana, which is the
> older 2-seat version of the DA-40. That has constant speed.
> Uncomfortable as hell, though. If you don't mind high wing, find a
> 182. Often the CAP folks rent out their 182's. Helps pay their bills.
>
>
> John J
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> --
>
> *From:* <mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com>
owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto: <mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com>
owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of
> *Dawson-Townsend,Timothy
> *Sent:* Tuesday, July 07, 2009 11:51 AM
> *To:* <mailto:rv10-list@matronics.com> rv10-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* RV10-List: local training?
>
> Listers:
>
>
> Issue: want to log some more hours in something with a constant-speed
> prop. What aircraft that I might find somewhere at local flight
> schools might be most "like" an RV-10?
>
>
> My best idea so far is a DA40 - has a center stick, constant speed, a
> little low on the HP
>
>
> Other ideas?
>
>
> TDT
>
>
> Tim Dawson-Townsend
>
> 40025
>
> <mailto:tdt@aurora.aero> tdt@aurora.aero <mailto:
<mailto:tdt@aurora.aero> tdt@aurora.aero>
>
> 617-500-4812 (office)
>
> 617-905-4800 (mobile)
>
>
> * *
>
> * *
>
> *href=" <http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List>
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List"> <http://www.matron>
http://www.matron
> <http://ics.com/Navigator?RV10-List*> ics.com/Navigator?RV10-List*
>
> *href=" <http://forums.matronics.com> http://forums.matronics.com">
<http://forums.matronics.com> http://forums.matronics.com*
>
> *href=" <http://www.matronics.com/contribution>
http://www.matronics.com/contribution"> <http://www.matronics.com>
http://www.matronics.com
> /c*
>
> * *
>
> * *
>
> **
>
> **
>
> **
>
> **
>
> **
>
> **
>
> * <http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List*>
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List*
>
> **
>
> **
>
> **
>
> * <http://forums.matronics.com> http://forums.matronics.com*
>
> **
>
> **
>
> **
>
> **
>
> * <http://www.matronics.com/contribution*>
http://www.matronics.com/contribution*
>
> **
>
> * *
>
> *
>
> href=" <http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List>
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List"> <http://www.matroni>
http://www.matroni
> <http://cs.com/Navigator?RV10-List> cs.com/Navigator?RV10-List
> href=" <http://forums.matronics.com> http://forums.matronics.com">
<http://forums.matronics.com> http://forums.matronics.com
> href=" <http://www.matronics.com/contribution>
http://www.matronics.com/contribution"> <http://www.matronics.com/>
http://www.matronics.com/
> c
> *
>
> *
>
>
> *
==========
arget="_blank"> <http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List>
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List
==========
<http://forums.matronics.com> http://forums.matronics.com
==========
le, List Admin.
="_blank"> <http://www.matronics.com/contribution>
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
==========
Message 31
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
I have only had my "free" flight in an RV-10 so my opinion may not be all
that accurate but I'd recommend Cessna 206 time. Those might be a bit
easier to find in the rental fleet. The rate the 206 comes out of the sky
at idle felt pretty similar to power off in the 10. I've got about 200
hours of 206 time and it seemed to me my 10min of 10 time felt comparable to
a 206 with respect to ground handling with a heavier airframe, takeoff
p-factor, pretty healthy climb for a Cessna, power off decent, big throaty
motor, complexity of systems, overall stability of the platform in flight.
They aren't quite as fast but you can make an honest 135-140kts in a 300hp
206.
-Ben Westfall
_____
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David McNeill
Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 7:45 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: local training?
I submitted a proposal to the FSDO to give transition training in my RV10
commercially. I included that I would include the HP endorsement if
necessary. They came back to me and said that I must agree not to give the
HP endorsement. as it could be accomplished in certified aircraft. They
acknowledged that I would have to train to HP proficiency but could not
signoff per the agreement. I had given consideration to providing RV10
transition for the Southwest. I already had concluded that it was at best a
breakeven deal, The rules on the HP endorsement were the proverbial straw
which made the decision for me..
For those of you needing transition training: If you have 500-1000+ hours
and a CFI friend with an RV10. It may be possible to be added to his policy
as named insured a no additional cost. He cannot legally charge you for his
time or aircraft but you can pay the operational expenses for the flight.
This works only if your insurance requirements are small and your total time
is relatively high. Otherwise your best solution may be OR or TX at $200+
per hour plus living and transportation expense.
_____
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 5:42 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: local training?
Isn't the regulation that it must be GREATER than 200 (ie 201) or it doesn't
qualify for H.P.? I think if anything that the manufacturers would UNDER
list them so they could sell more planes and have a larger customer base by
not having them forced to have an endorsement to fly it.
Tim
Sent from my iPhone
On Jul 7, 2009, at 6:57 PM, Kelly McMullen <apilot2@gmail.com> wrote:
If it has the Lycoming IO360 engine, it IS a 200 hp engine. There are not
any certified versions for fixed wing with higher rated horsepower. Even the
STC for 10:1 compression pistons requires de-rating MP to limit the engine
to 200 hp. It doesn't matter what the engine dyno's at, other than FAA limit
is +5% of rated power.
It is rated HP that matters for the HP endorsement. If school is endorsing
based on some phony marketing rating, they and their students risk FAA
action.
On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 2:54 PM, Chris Klugewicz < <mailto:ck@chesbay.com>
ck@chesbay.com> wrote:
ck@chesbay.com>
Actually, there are a couple of normally aspirated Arrows out there with 201
HP engines -- there's one at my flight school which is used for both complex
and HP training.
-----Original Message-----
From: "John Jessen" < <mailto:n212pj@gmail.com> n212pj@gmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 7, 2009 5:18pm
Subject: RE: RV10-List: local training?
n212pj@gmail.com>
Kelly's correct. Now I remember getting short tempered when I had to pay
extra to rent the Turbo Arrow to get the high performance rating.
-----Original Message-----
From: <mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com>
owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto: <mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com>
owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kelly McMullen
Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 1:53 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: local training?
<mailto:kellym@aviating.com> kellym@aviating.com>
Only the 210 hp Turbo Arrow would be high performance. The 180hp and most
common 200hp Arrows are only complex, not HP. Of the low wing variety only
the SR20 and 22 are going to be similar. Piper Dakota or
PA-28-235 Pathfinder would work.
In fact older SR22's are selling for about what a nice RV-10 costs to build.
Lancair/Columbia/Cessna 350 might work but is a bit hotter and higher hp.
John Jessen wrote:
> The Arrow is usually classified as high performance, if memory serves.
> But, you certainly don't need complex. I think a Dakota would be the
> other Piper choice, maybe even a better solution. You just need to be
> familiar with handling the prop, so really anything that has 210 and
> over in horsepower and a constant speed should be okay.
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> --
> *From:* <mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com>
owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto: <mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com>
owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Rene
> Felker
> *Sent:* Tuesday, July 07, 2009 12:54 PM
> *To:* <mailto:rv10-list@matronics.com> rv10-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* RE: RV10-List: local training?
>
> Also need to make sure it is high performance. Will need that sign
> off. >200HP. Beech Sierra won't work, or anything else with a 200HP
> motor. Don't know what is in a DA-40.
>
>
> Rene' Felker
>
> RV-10 N423CF Flying
>
> 801-721-6080
>
> *From:* <mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com>
owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto: <mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com>
owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *John
> Jessen
> *Sent:* Tuesday, July 07, 2009 1:17 PM
> *To:* <mailto:rv10-list@matronics.com> rv10-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* RE: RV10-List: local training?
>
>
> Not all that much like an RV-10, but you can use an Arrow to get both
> constant speed and complex time. It's low wing, but certainly not as
> powerful as the RV. Some flight schools have the Katana, which is the
> older 2-seat version of the DA-40. That has constant speed.
> Uncomfortable as hell, though. If you don't mind high wing, find a
> 182. Often the CAP folks rent out their 182's. Helps pay their bills.
>
>
> John J
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> --
>
> *From:* <mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com>
owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto: <mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com>
owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of
> *Dawson-Townsend,Timothy
> *Sent:* Tuesday, July 07, 2009 11:51 AM
> *To:* <mailto:rv10-list@matronics.com> rv10-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* RV10-List: local training?
>
> Listers:
>
>
> Issue: want to log some more hours in something with a constant-speed
> prop. What aircraft that I might find somewhere at local flight
> schools might be most "like" an RV-10?
>
>
> My best idea so far is a DA40 - has a center stick, constant speed, a
> little low on the HP
>
>
> Other ideas?
>
>
> TDT
>
>
> Tim Dawson-Townsend
>
> 40025
>
> <mailto:tdt@aurora.aero> tdt@aurora.aero <mailto:
<mailto:tdt@aurora.aero> tdt@aurora.aero>
>
> 617-500-4812 (office)
>
> 617-905-4800 (mobile)
>
>
> * *
>
> * *
>
> *href=" <http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List>
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List"> <http://www.matron>
http://www.matron
> <http://ics.com/Navigator?RV10-List*> ics.com/Navigator?RV10-List*
>
> *href=" <http://forums.matronics.com> http://forums.matronics.com">
<http://forums.matronics.com> http://forums.matronics.com*
>
> *href=" <http://www.matronics.com/contribution>
http://www.matronics.com/contribution"> <http://www.matronics.com>
http://www.matronics.com
> /c*
>
> * *
>
> * *
>
> **
>
> **
>
> **
>
> **
>
> **
>
> **
>
> * <http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List*>
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List*
>
> **
>
> **
>
> **
>
> * <http://forums.matronics.com> http://forums.matronics.com*
>
> **
>
> **
>
> **
>
> **
>
> * <http://www.matronics.com/contribution*>
http://www.matronics.com/contribution*
>
> **
>
> * *
>
> *
>
> href=" <http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List>
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List"> <http://www.matroni>
http://www.matroni
> <http://cs.com/Navigator?RV10-List> cs.com/Navigator?RV10-List
> href=" <http://forums.matronics.com> http://forums.matronics.com">
<http://forums.matronics.com> http://forums.matronics.com
> href=" <http://www.matronics.com/contribution>
http://www.matronics.com/contribution"> <http://www.matronics.com/>
http://www.matronics.com/
> c
> *
>
> *
>
>
> *
==========
arget="_blank"> <http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List>
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List
==========
<http://forums.matronics.com> http://forums.matronics.com
==========
le, List Admin.
="_blank"> <http://www.matronics.com/contribution>
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
==========
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List">http://www.matronics.com
/Navigator?RV10-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c
Other Matronics Email List Services
These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.
-- Please support this service by making your Contribution today! --
|
|