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1. 04:08 AM - Re: Nav antenna location (Wayne Edgerton)
2. 04:42 AM - Re: Nav antenna location (jkreidler)
3. 05:37 AM - Re: Nav antenna location (Kelly McMullen)
4. 08:51 AM - OSH Camping Guide (Tim Olson)
5. 08:59 AM - Hot` (hsdexo)
6. 10:13 AM - Re: Re: Nav antenna location (John Cumins)
7. 10:46 AM - Re: Re: Nav antenna location (David McNeill)
8. 10:54 AM - Re: Re: Nav antenna location (Albert Gardner)
9. 11:04 AM - Re: Machine Countersinking (John Cox)
10. 11:26 AM - Re: Washing aircraft (John Cox)
11. 11:35 AM - Re: Re: Nav antenna location (John Cumins)
12. 12:35 PM - Re: Re: Nav antenna location (David McNeill)
13. 12:52 PM - Re: Re: Nav antenna location (Kelly McMullen)
14. 01:07 PM - Re: Washing aircraft (Miller John)
15. 01:08 PM - Re: Hot` (Miller John)
16. 01:18 PM - Re: Re: Nav antenna location (Tim Olson)
17. 01:22 PM - Re: Re: Nav antenna location (John Cox)
18. 01:27 PM - Re: Re: Nav antenna location (Miller John)
19. 02:18 PM - Re: Re: Nav antenna location (Linn Walters)
20. 02:25 PM - Re: Washing aircraft (James McGrew)
21. 02:27 PM - Re: Re: Nav antenna location (Robert Brunkenhoefer)
22. 04:10 PM - Hanger for shoulder belts? (Dawson-Townsend,Timothy)
23. 04:19 PM - Re: Re: Nav antenna location (David McNeill)
24. 04:54 PM - BMA Out of Business (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
25. 04:56 PM - Re: Hanger for shoulder belts? (Dave Saylor)
26. 05:12 PM - Re: Re: Nav antenna location (Kelly McMullen)
27. 05:24 PM - Re: Hanger for shoulder belts? (Don McDonald)
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| Subject: | Re: Nav antenna location |
Hi Bill,
Yes I put mine there and it works just fine. I considered putting it
down on the bottom like many others have done but had concerns about
reception but also my grandkids running around the hangar and getting
impaled on it down there. My plane is white in that section and the
antenna is white so it's really not that noticeable and I'm used to
seeing it there from my other certified planes.
I don't think you need them but if you would want any photos of the
mount location let me know.
Wayne Edgerton
N602WT
"billz" <billz@roadrunner.com>
I'm planning to install a traditional (V type) nav antenna and am
wondering if
anyone has installed one at the top of the vertical Stab? I'm
getting ready to
rivet the skin on and would like to make sure I don't make a BIG
mistake this
early in the build. I've seen it located on the bottom of the
tail on many
aircraft, but am concerned about damage to the antenna, over time.
What are your thoughts.
Thanks!
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| Subject: | Re: Nav antenna location |
We put ours on top of the VS, we also added an LED beacon up there. See attached...
Jason Kreidler - 4 Partner Build
N44YH - Flying - #40617
Sheboygan Falls, WI
Tony Kolar, Kyle Hokel, Wayne Elsner, & Jason Kreidler
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| Subject: | Re: Nav antenna location |
Any one consider blade antennas rather than the eye poking V? Lots of
Bonanzas have gone to them, mounted under the V.
On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 4:06 AM, Wayne Edgerton <wayne.e@grandecom.net>wrote:
> Hi Bill,
>
> Yes I put mine there and it works just fine. I considered putting it down
> on the bottom like many others have done but had concerns about reception
> but also my grandkids running around the hangar and getting impaled on it
> down there. My plane is white in that section and the antenna is white so
> it's really not that noticeable and I'm used to seeing it there from my
> other certified planes.
>
> I don't think you need them but if you would want any photos of the mount
> location let me know.
>
> Wayne Edgerton
> N602WT
>
> *"billz" <billz@roadrunner.com>*
>
> I'm planning to install a traditional (V type) nav antenna and am
> wondering if
> anyone has installed one at the top of the vertical Stab? I'm
> getting ready to
> rivet the skin on and would like to make sure I don't make a BIG
> mistake this
> early in the build. I've seen it located on the bottom of the tail
> on many
> aircraft, but am concerned about damage to the antenna, over time.
>
> What are your thoughts.
>
> Thanks!
>
>
> *
>
>
> *
>
>
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| Subject: | OSH Camping Guide |
Just saw this on AvWeb today. Looks pretty good and might
be good reading for those of you who are new to OSH
camping:
http://www.upaero.com/oshkoshairshowcampingguide.pdf
Tim
--
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
do not archive
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I know this is an old topic, just wandering if anyone has found the magic solution
to the hot tunnel and subsequent hot cabin at low altitudes in the 10.
I have the VANS mod dumping fresh air in the tunnel, I have insulated the tunnel,
I have the firewall insulated inside, nothing on the outside. I have louvers
about twice the size that came with the kit installed on the bottom of the cowling.
Any suggestions short of air conditioning.
I don't have a problem with the engine or oil temps.
R/Harry
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| Subject: | Re: Nav antenna location |
Jason
I am going to do the same thing and will add the LED beacon. I was
wondering why you have the Antenna pointed forward. I would think going aft
would relieve a lot of stress on the antenna mount.
I am also going to place the Nav antenna on top of the VS they really work
best up there.
John G. Cumins
40864 EMP
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of jkreidler
Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2009 4:40 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: Nav antenna location
<jason.kreidler@regalbeloit.com>
We put ours on top of the VS, we also added an LED beacon up there. See
attached...
Jason Kreidler - 4 Partner Build
N44YH - Flying - #40617
Sheboygan Falls, WI
Tony Kolar, Kyle Hokel, Wayne Elsner, & Jason Kreidler
Read this topic online here:
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| Subject: | Re: Nav antenna location |
The lobes of sensitivity lie along the sides of the V. pointed forward. More
sensitivity forward.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Cumins
Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2009 10:14 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Nav antenna location
Jason
I am going to do the same thing and will add the LED beacon. I was
wondering why you have the Antenna pointed forward. I would think going aft
would relieve a lot of stress on the antenna mount.
I am also going to place the Nav antenna on top of the VS they really work
best up there.
John G. Cumins
40864 EMP
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of jkreidler
Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2009 4:40 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: Nav antenna location
<jason.kreidler@regalbeloit.com>
We put ours on top of the VS, we also added an LED beacon up there. See
attached...
Jason Kreidler - 4 Partner Build
N44YH - Flying - #40617
Sheboygan Falls, WI
Tony Kolar, Kyle Hokel, Wayne Elsner, & Jason Kreidler
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=252251#252251
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| Subject: | Re: Nav antenna location |
If you point them aft the rudder counter-balance will hit them.
Albert Gardner
Yuma, AZ
-----Original Message-----
Jason
I am going to do the same thing and will add the LED beacon. I was
wondering why you have the Antenna pointed forward. I would think going aft
would relieve a lot of stress on the antenna mount.
I am also going to place the Nav antenna on top of the VS they really work
best up there.
John G. Cumins
40864 EMP
-----Original Message-----
We put ours on top of the VS, we also added an LED beacon up there. See
attached...
Jason Kreidler - 4 Partner Build
N44YH - Flying - #40617
Sheboygan Falls, WI
Tony Kolar, Kyle Hokel, Wayne Elsner, & Jason Kreidler
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| Subject: | Machine Countersinking |
1/4-28 extension in various lengths from ATS. When a cage breaks down,
we disassemble it and get a great S.S. 3" extension to use in other
apps.
John Cox
40600
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill
Mauledriver Watson
Sent: Wednesday, July 08, 2009 6:40 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Machine Countersinking
<MauleDriver@nc.rr.com>
As I recall, the extension on my deburrer has the same thread. So does
the 90degree drill fitting... as I recall. I'm not in the shop. I'm
sure someone can confirm or improve on this.
Bill "need to go back to the shop and stop watching TV" Watson
Rob Hunter wrote:
> Hi all,
> I am countersinking the parts under the side fuslage skins and the
> cage of the counter sink is too big to fit in several areas. I tried
> to get the countersink in without the cage, but the drill wont fit
> either. Is there anyway to put an extension on the end of the
> countersink bit? Any other suggestions?
>
> Rob Hunter
> 40432
> Fuselage
> *
>
>
> *
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| Subject: | Washing aircraft |
"Hydrogen Embrittlement".
That is the fancy buzz word for hardened fasteners that are affected by
the use of incorrect cleaning chemicals.
"Faying Action".
That is the second $0.50 word that means the soap solution wicks between
overlapping joints to never be rinsed away through normal clean water
demineralized rinse processes.
Before selecting chemicals that can adversely affect the difference in
Nobelity of differing metals know what you are doing. Corrosion
results, it takes years, it requires major skin rework. Ask an old
mechanic or an MIT engineer what they use first. Light sport planes
have not been around as long as the ole spam cans.
For waxing, I am using LoPresti Speed Shine.
John Cox
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Sheldon
Olesen
Sent: Wednesday, July 08, 2009 9:29 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Washing aircraft
This month's Light Plane Maintenance has an article on washing
aircraft. One of the suggested products was Woolite. Seemed strange
that a clothes washing product would be suitable for aircraft, but
since my wife had some I gave it a try. To my surprise it got off
bugs and oil rather easily. The windshield cleaned up with very
little streaking. This stuff doesn't leave much residue behind. I
had some light oil on the belly and that came off with no problem.
Chances are your wife already has some Woolite so give it a try.
Recommended mix is 2 ounces to 1 gallon.
Anybody else have a favorite washing or waxing product?
Sheldon Olesen
N475PV 93 hours
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| Subject: | Re: Nav antenna location |
If that's the case then why does everyone point them aft.
John G. Cumins
President
JC'S Interactive Systems
2499 B1 Martin Rd
Fairfield Ca 94533
707-425-7100
707-425-7576 Fax
Your Total Technology Solution Provider
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David McNeill
Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2009 10:42 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Nav antenna location
The lobes of sensitivity lie along the sides of the V. pointed forward. More
sensitivity forward.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Cumins
Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2009 10:14 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Nav antenna location
Jason
I am going to do the same thing and will add the LED beacon. I was
wondering why you have the Antenna pointed forward. I would think going aft
would relieve a lot of stress on the antenna mount.
I am also going to place the Nav antenna on top of the VS they really work
best up there.
John G. Cumins
40864 EMP
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of jkreidler
Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2009 4:40 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: Nav antenna location
<jason.kreidler@regalbeloit.com>
We put ours on top of the VS, we also added an LED beacon up there. See
attached...
Jason Kreidler - 4 Partner Build
N44YH - Flying - #40617
Sheboygan Falls, WI
Tony Kolar, Kyle Hokel, Wayne Elsner, & Jason Kreidler
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=252251#252251
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| Subject: | Re: Nav antenna location |
Marketing I assume. Swept back is cool. A lot of serious IFR aircraft have
them swept forward to more accurately know where one is going rather than
where one has been. IFR magazine had an article of an aircraft in IMC that
hit a mountain while traveling between Port Angeles and Seattle along an
airway. The cause was determined to be a bent VOR signal and the sensitivity
of the antennas. I don't recall the particulars but do know that the
sensitivity is in the direction of the elements of the V.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Cumins
Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2009 11:36 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Nav antenna location
If that's the case then why does everyone point them aft.
John G. Cumins
President
JC'S Interactive Systems
2499 B1 Martin Rd
Fairfield Ca 94533
707-425-7100
707-425-7576 Fax
Your Total Technology Solution Provider
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David McNeill
Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2009 10:42 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Nav antenna location
The lobes of sensitivity lie along the sides of the V. pointed forward. More
sensitivity forward.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Cumins
Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2009 10:14 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Nav antenna location
Jason
I am going to do the same thing and will add the LED beacon. I was
wondering why you have the Antenna pointed forward. I would think going aft
would relieve a lot of stress on the antenna mount.
I am also going to place the Nav antenna on top of the VS they really work
best up there.
John G. Cumins
40864 EMP
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of jkreidler
Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2009 4:40 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: Nav antenna location
<jason.kreidler@regalbeloit.com>
We put ours on top of the VS, we also added an LED beacon up there. See
attached...
Jason Kreidler - 4 Partner Build
N44YH - Flying - #40617
Sheboygan Falls, WI
Tony Kolar, Kyle Hokel, Wayne Elsner, & Jason Kreidler
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=252251#252251
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| Subject: | Re: Nav antenna location |
If that were much of an issue, why not go with the more sensitive and
balanced blade antennas? Most new production aircraft use them. IIRC they
were designed to optimize VOR/DME RNAV performance.
On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 12:32 PM, David McNeill <dlm46007@cox.net> wrote:
>
> Marketing I assume. Swept back is cool. A lot of serious IFR aircraft have
> them swept forward to more accurately know where one is going rather than
> where one has been. IFR magazine had an article of an aircraft in IMC that
> hit a mountain while traveling between Port Angeles and Seattle along an
> airway. The cause was determined to be a bent VOR signal and the
> sensitivity
> of the antennas. I don't recall the particulars but do know that the
> sensitivity is in the direction of the elements of the V.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Cumins
> Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2009 11:36 AM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Nav antenna location
>
>
> If that's the case then why does everyone point them aft.
>
> John G. Cumins
> President
>
> JC'S Interactive Systems
> 2499 B1 Martin Rd
> Fairfield Ca 94533
> 707-425-7100
> 707-425-7576 Fax
>
> Your Total Technology Solution Provider
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David McNeill
> Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2009 10:42 AM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Nav antenna location
>
>
> The lobes of sensitivity lie along the sides of the V. pointed forward.
> More
> sensitivity forward.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Cumins
> Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2009 10:14 AM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Nav antenna location
>
>
> Jason
>
> I am going to do the same thing and will add the LED beacon. I was
> wondering why you have the Antenna pointed forward. I would think going
> aft
> would relieve a lot of stress on the antenna mount.
>
> I am also going to place the Nav antenna on top of the VS they really work
> best up there.
>
> John G. Cumins
> 40864 EMP
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of jkreidler
> Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2009 4:40 AM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV10-List: Re: Nav antenna location
>
> <jason.kreidler@regalbeloit.com>
>
> We put ours on top of the VS, we also added an LED beacon up there. See
> attached...
>
> Jason Kreidler - 4 Partner Build
> N44YH - Flying - #40617
> Sheboygan Falls, WI
> Tony Kolar, Kyle Hokel, Wayne Elsner, & Jason Kreidler
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=252251#252251
>
>
> Attachments:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/100_0260_medium_112.jpg
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Washing aircraft |
Spruce sells a Simple Green for aircraft cleaner.
DO NOT use Simple Green regular stuff!
Prior research showed no interaction with our airplane parts for this
specialty one.
Buy it by the gallon.
grumpy
N184JM
On Jul 9, 2009, at 1:24 PM, John Cox wrote:
>
> "Hydrogen Embrittlement".
>
> That is the fancy buzz word for hardened fasteners that are affected
> by
> the use of incorrect cleaning chemicals.
>
> "Faying Action".
>
> That is the second $0.50 word that means the soap solution wicks
> between
> overlapping joints to never be rinsed away through normal clean water
> demineralized rinse processes.
>
> Before selecting chemicals that can adversely affect the difference in
> Nobelity of differing metals know what you are doing. Corrosion
> results, it takes years, it requires major skin rework. Ask an old
> mechanic or an MIT engineer what they use first. Light sport planes
> have not been around as long as the ole spam cans.
>
> For waxing, I am using LoPresti Speed Shine.
>
> John Cox
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Sheldon
> Olesen
> Sent: Wednesday, July 08, 2009 9:29 AM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV10-List: Washing aircraft
>
> <saolesen@sirentel.net>
>
> This month's Light Plane Maintenance has an article on washing
> aircraft. One of the suggested products was Woolite. Seemed strange
> that a clothes washing product would be suitable for aircraft, but
> since my wife had some I gave it a try. To my surprise it got off
> bugs and oil rather easily. The windshield cleaned up with very
> little streaking. This stuff doesn't leave much residue behind. I
> had some light oil on the belly and that came off with no problem.
> Chances are your wife already has some Woolite so give it a try.
> Recommended mix is 2 ounces to 1 gallon.
>
> Anybody else have a favorite washing or waxing product?
>
>
> Sheldon Olesen
> N475PV 93 hours
>
>
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I just followed the plans, used Van's kit parts, and only have one
heat muff connected to the inlet valve.
I also installed a butterfly valve ahead of the heat muff intake,
which stays closed most of the time.
No problem with heat in the tunnel.
grumpy
N184JM
On Jul 9, 2009, at 10:59 AM, hsdexo wrote:
>
> I know this is an old topic, just wandering if anyone has found the
> magic solution to the hot tunnel and subsequent hot cabin at low
> altitudes in the 10.
> I have the VANS mod dumping fresh air in the tunnel, I have
> insulated the tunnel, I have the firewall insulated inside, nothing
> on the outside. I have louvers about twice the size that came with
> the kit installed on the bottom of the cowling.
> Any suggestions short of air conditioning.
> I don't have a problem with the engine or oil temps.
>
> R/Harry
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=252291#252291
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Nav antenna location |
Aren't they way way more expensive? I remember flying along just over
100nm away from a station in front of me, receiving it with my
backwards mounted (V facing forward) NAV antenna, mounted under
the tail. Now, it may be more sensitive mounted facing forward,
and it may work better mounted on the top of the VS, but I
was pretty happy with it, considering it's generally used as
backup navigation for me. My Archer nav doesn't perform nearly
as well and not nearly as well from any direction. Blade
antennas might work great, but last I saw they were very
expensive, too. I guess everyone has their tradeoff as to
what they are both wanting and willing to accept. I can only
speak for what I installed, and note that it's working plenty
well for me. The V's might be more sensitive in the forward
direction, but really, VOR's should be well received in all
directions or they aren't as useful as they should be.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
do not archive
Kelly McMullen wrote:
> If that were much of an issue, why not go with the more sensitive and
> balanced blade antennas? Most new production aircraft use them. IIRC
> they were designed to optimize VOR/DME RNAV performance.
>
> On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 12:32 PM, David McNeill <dlm46007@cox.net
> <mailto:dlm46007@cox.net>> wrote:
>
> <mailto:dlm46007@cox.net>>
>
> Marketing I assume. Swept back is cool. A lot of serious IFR
> aircraft have
> them swept forward to more accurately know where one is going rather
> than
> where one has been. IFR magazine had an article of an aircraft in
> IMC that
> hit a mountain while traveling between Port Angeles and Seattle along an
> airway. The cause was determined to be a bent VOR signal and the
> sensitivity
> of the antennas. I don't recall the particulars but do know that the
> sensitivity is in the direction of the elements of the V.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> <mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com>
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> <mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com>] On Behalf Of John Cumins
> Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2009 11:36 AM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com <mailto:rv10-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Nav antenna location
>
> <mailto:jcumins@jcis.net>>
>
> If that's the case then why does everyone point them aft.
>
> John G. Cumins
> President
>
> JC'S Interactive Systems
> 2499 B1 Martin Rd
> Fairfield Ca 94533
> 707-425-7100
> 707-425-7576 Fax
>
> Your Total Technology Solution Provider
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> <mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com>
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> <mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com>] On Behalf Of David
> McNeill
> Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2009 10:42 AM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com <mailto:rv10-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Nav antenna location
>
> <mailto:dlm46007@cox.net>>
>
> The lobes of sensitivity lie along the sides of the V. pointed
> forward. More
> sensitivity forward.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> <mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com>
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> <mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com>] On Behalf Of John Cumins
> Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2009 10:14 AM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com <mailto:rv10-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Nav antenna location
>
> <mailto:jcumins@jcis.net>>
>
> Jason
>
> I am going to do the same thing and will add the LED beacon. I was
> wondering why you have the Antenna pointed forward. I would think
> going aft
> would relieve a lot of stress on the antenna mount.
>
> I am also going to place the Nav antenna on top of the VS they
> really work
> best up there.
>
> John G. Cumins
> 40864 EMP
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> <mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com>
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> <mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com>] On Behalf Of jkreidler
> Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2009 4:40 AM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com <mailto:rv10-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: RV10-List: Re: Nav antenna location
>
> <jason.kreidler@regalbeloit.com <mailto:jason.kreidler@regalbeloit.com>>
>
> We put ours on top of the VS, we also added an LED beacon up there. See
> attached...
>
> Jason Kreidler - 4 Partner Build
> N44YH - Flying - #40617
> Sheboygan Falls, WI
> Tony Kolar, Kyle Hokel, Wayne Elsner, & Jason Kreidler
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=252251#252251
>
>
>
>
> Attachments:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/100_0260_medium_112.jpg
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| Subject: | Re: Nav antenna location |
Looks (aesthetics) often override antennae ground plane theory. No one
should casually dismiss correct orientation solely on appearance.
Builders should consider manufacturer avionics and their best antennae
selection choice long before the aircraft is entering finish. But alas,
all too often the thought doesn't enter early enough into radiation
patterns, placement, interference, ground plane (signal propagation),
coaxial run lengths or aesthetics until much too late to be as
effective.
"That is the case." Now....tradeoffs, that is more to the reality of
choice during the long build process.
You can always look to the over 214 flying RV-10s and follow the
leaders.
John Cox
W7COX
#40600
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Cumins
Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2009 11:36 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Nav antenna location
If that's the case then why does everyone point them aft.
John G. Cumins
President
JC'S Interactive Systems
2499 B1 Martin Rd
Fairfield Ca 94533
707-425-7100
707-425-7576 Fax
Your Total Technology Solution Provider
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David McNeill
Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2009 10:42 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Nav antenna location
The lobes of sensitivity lie along the sides of the V. pointed forward.
More
sensitivity forward.
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| Subject: | Re: Nav antenna location |
My experience is the same as Tim, with mine mounted bottom underneath
the tail section and facing backwards (or...V pointed forward!)
grumpy
N184JM
On Jul 9, 2009, at 3:17 PM, Tim Olson wrote:
>
> Aren't they way way more expensive? I remember flying along just over
> 100nm away from a station in front of me, receiving it with my
> backwards mounted (V facing forward) NAV antenna, mounted under
> the tail. Now, it may be more sensitive mounted facing forward,
> and it may work better mounted on the top of the VS, but I
> was pretty happy with it, considering it's generally used as
> backup navigation for me. My Archer nav doesn't perform nearly
> as well and not nearly as well from any direction. Blade
> antennas might work great, but last I saw they were very
> expensive, too. I guess everyone has their tradeoff as to
> what they are both wanting and willing to accept. I can only
> speak for what I installed, and note that it's working plenty
> well for me. The V's might be more sensitive in the forward
> direction, but really, VOR's should be well received in all
> directions or they aren't as useful as they should be.
>
> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
> do not archive
>
>
> Kelly McMullen wrote:
>> If that were much of an issue, why not go with the more sensitive
>> and balanced blade antennas? Most new production aircraft use them.
>> IIRC they were designed to optimize VOR/DME RNAV performance.
>> On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 12:32 PM, David McNeill <dlm46007@cox.net <mailto:dlm46007@cox.net
>> >> wrote:
>> <mailto:dlm46007@cox.net>>
>> Marketing I assume. Swept back is cool. A lot of serious IFR
>> aircraft have
>> them swept forward to more accurately know where one is going
>> rather
>> than
>> where one has been. IFR magazine had an article of an aircraft in
>> IMC that
>> hit a mountain while traveling between Port Angeles and Seattle
>> along an
>> airway. The cause was determined to be a bent VOR signal and the
>> sensitivity
>> of the antennas. I don't recall the particulars but do know that
>> the
>> sensitivity is in the direction of the elements of the V.
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>> <mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com>
>> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>> <mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com>] On Behalf Of John
>> Cumins
>> Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2009 11:36 AM
>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com <mailto:rv10-list@matronics.com>
>> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Nav antenna location
>> <mailto:jcumins@jcis.net>>
>> If that's the case then why does everyone point them aft.
>> John G. Cumins
>> President
>> JC'S Interactive Systems
>> 2499 B1 Martin Rd
>> Fairfield Ca 94533
>> 707-425-7100
>> 707-425-7576 Fax
>> Your Total Technology Solution Provider
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>> <mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com>
>> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>> <mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com>] On Behalf Of David
>> McNeill
>> Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2009 10:42 AM
>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com <mailto:rv10-list@matronics.com>
>> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Nav antenna location
>> <mailto:dlm46007@cox.net>>
>> The lobes of sensitivity lie along the sides of the V. pointed
>> forward. More
>> sensitivity forward.
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>> <mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com>
>> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>> <mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com>] On Behalf Of John
>> Cumins
>> Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2009 10:14 AM
>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com <mailto:rv10-list@matronics.com>
>> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Nav antenna location
>> <mailto:jcumins@jcis.net>>
>> Jason
>> I am going to do the same thing and will add the LED beacon. I
>> was
>> wondering why you have the Antenna pointed forward. I would think
>> going aft
>> would relieve a lot of stress on the antenna mount.
>> I am also going to place the Nav antenna on top of the VS they
>> really work
>> best up there.
>> John G. Cumins
>> 40864 EMP
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>> <mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com>
>> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>> <mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com>] On Behalf Of
>> jkreidler
>> Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2009 4:40 AM
>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com <mailto:rv10-list@matronics.com>
>> Subject: RV10-List: Re: Nav antenna location
>> <jason.kreidler@regalbeloit.com <mailto:jason.kreidler@regalbeloit.com
>> >>
>> We put ours on top of the VS, we also added an LED beacon up
>> there. See
>> attached...
>> Jason Kreidler - 4 Partner Build
>> N44YH - Flying - #40617
>> Sheboygan Falls, WI
>> Tony Kolar, Kyle Hokel, Wayne Elsner, & Jason Kreidler
>> Read this topic online here:
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=252251#252251
>> Attachments:
>> http://forums.matronics.com//files/100_0260_medium_112.jpg
>> ==========
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| Subject: | Re: Nav antenna location |
Bear with me David ..... it's been a long time since I did antennas.
AFAIK, the direction the VOR antenna points (V forward or backward) has
nothing to do with sensitivity. The VOR antenna is a relatively
standard center fed dipole. The BALUN matches the balanced antenna with
the unbalanced coax (BAL UN). With most center fed dipoles, the 'arms'
are in line like a rod. Think of that FM antenna made from twin-lead. I
think the 'bent' dipole is an attempt at reducing the drag associated
with that straight antenna. The max sensitivity of a straight dipole
would be perpendicular to the 'straight' antenna. But, since the VOR
station may be anywhere within the 360 degree circle around the
aircraft, and will, at some time end up off the 'point' of the antenna
...... the reception would be poor at that point. By bending the
antenna we also get better 360 degree reception since more of the
antenna is broadside to the incoming signal as we fly around in a circle
(Vs. off the point at 90/270 to the signal).
If I'm wrong .... like I said ... been a long time .... please point me
to some 'educational material'.
Linn
David McNeill wrote:
>
> Marketing I assume. Swept back is cool. A lot of serious IFR aircraft have
> them swept forward to more accurately know where one is going rather than
> where one has been. IFR magazine had an article of an aircraft in IMC that
> hit a mountain while traveling between Port Angeles and Seattle along an
> airway. The cause was determined to be a bent VOR signal and the sensitivity
> of the antennas. I don't recall the particulars but do know that the
> sensitivity is in the direction of the elements of the V.
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| Subject: | Re: Washing aircraft |
It is called Simple Green Extreme. I learned about it in a previous length
thread about this subject. It is made specifically for aircraft. I've been
using it to wash my plane.
Jim
N312JE
On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 3:04 PM, Miller John <gengrumpy@aol.com> wrote:
>
> Spruce sells a Simple Green for aircraft cleaner.
>
> DO NOT use Simple Green regular stuff!
>
> Prior research showed no interaction with our airplane parts for this
> specialty one.
>
> Buy it by the gallon.
>
> grumpy
> N184JM
>
>
> On Jul 9, 2009, at 1:24 PM, John Cox wrote:
>
>>
>> "Hydrogen Embrittlement".
>>
>> That is the fancy buzz word for hardened fasteners that are affected by
>> the use of incorrect cleaning chemicals.
>>
>> "Faying Action".
>>
>> That is the second $0.50 word that means the soap solution wicks between
>> overlapping joints to never be rinsed away through normal clean water
>> demineralized rinse processes.
>>
>> Before selecting chemicals that can adversely affect the difference in
>> Nobelity of differing metals know what you are doing. Corrosion
>> results, it takes years, it requires major skin rework. Ask an old
>> mechanic or an MIT engineer what they use first. Light sport planes
>> have not been around as long as the ole spam cans.
>>
>> For waxing, I am using LoPresti Speed Shine.
>>
>> John Cox
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Sheldon
>> Olesen
>> Sent: Wednesday, July 08, 2009 9:29 AM
>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: RV10-List: Washing aircraft
>>
>>
>> This month's Light Plane Maintenance has an article on washing
>> aircraft. One of the suggested products was Woolite. Seemed strange
>> that a clothes washing product would be suitable for aircraft, but
>> since my wife had some I gave it a try. To my surprise it got off
>> bugs and oil rather easily. The windshield cleaned up with very
>> little streaking. This stuff doesn't leave much residue behind. I
>> had some light oil on the belly and that came off with no problem.
>> Chances are your wife already has some Woolite so give it a try.
>> Recommended mix is 2 ounces to 1 gallon.
>>
>> Anybody else have a favorite washing or waxing product?
>>
>>
>> Sheldon Olesen
>> N475PV 93 hours
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Nav antenna location |
i have two blades. i love them. robert
On Jul 9, 2009, at 3:20 PM, John Cox wrote:
>
> Looks (aesthetics) often override antennae ground plane theory. No
> one
> should casually dismiss correct orientation solely on appearance.
>
> Builders should consider manufacturer avionics and their best antennae
> selection choice long before the aircraft is entering finish. But
> alas,
> all too often the thought doesn't enter early enough into radiation
> patterns, placement, interference, ground plane (signal propagation),
> coaxial run lengths or aesthetics until much too late to be as
> effective.
>
> "That is the case." Now....tradeoffs, that is more to the reality
> of
> choice during the long build process.
> You can always look to the over 214 flying RV-10s and follow the
> leaders.
>
> John Cox
> W7COX
> #40600
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Cumins
> Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2009 11:36 AM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Nav antenna location
>
>
> If that's the case then why does everyone point them aft.
>
> John G. Cumins
> President
>
> JC'S Interactive Systems
> 2499 B1 Martin Rd
> Fairfield Ca 94533
> 707-425-7100
> 707-425-7576 Fax
>
> Your Total Technology Solution Provider
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David
> McNeill
> Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2009 10:42 AM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Nav antenna location
>
>
> The lobes of sensitivity lie along the sides of the V. pointed
> forward.
> More
> sensitivity forward.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Nav antenna location |
I did not do antennas but somewhere in my distant past I remember pictures
of propagation/reception patterns. IIRC the propagation patterns were pear
shapes about the elements of the V where the large end of the pear coincided
with the tip of the element.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Linn Walters
Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2009 2:16 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Nav antenna location
--> <pitts_pilot@bellsouth.net>
Bear with me David ..... it's been a long time since I did antennas.
AFAIK, the direction the VOR antenna points (V forward or backward) has
nothing to do with sensitivity. The VOR antenna is a relatively standard
center fed dipole. The BALUN matches the balanced antenna with the
unbalanced coax (BAL UN). With most center fed dipoles, the 'arms'
are in line like a rod. Think of that FM antenna made from twin-lead. I
think the 'bent' dipole is an attempt at reducing the drag associated with
that straight antenna. The max sensitivity of a straight dipole would be
perpendicular to the 'straight' antenna. But, since the VOR station may be
anywhere within the 360 degree circle around the aircraft, and will, at some
time end up off the 'point' of the antenna ...... the reception would be
poor at that point. By bending the antenna we also get better 360 degree
reception since more of the antenna is broadside to the incoming signal as
we fly around in a circle (Vs. off the point at 90/270 to the signal).
If I'm wrong .... like I said ... been a long time .... please point me to
some 'educational material'.
Linn
David McNeill wrote:
>
> Marketing I assume. Swept back is cool. A lot of serious IFR aircraft have
> them swept forward to more accurately know where one is going rather than
> where one has been. IFR magazine had an article of an aircraft in IMC that
> hit a mountain while traveling between Port Angeles and Seattle along an
> airway. The cause was determined to be a bent VOR signal and the
sensitivity
> of the antennas. I don't recall the particulars but do know that the
> sensitivity is in the direction of the elements of the V.
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| Subject: | BMA Out of Business |
In case anyone hasn't seen the Blue Mountain Avionics site lately, they hav
e shut down operations and are basically out of business... Too bad, they
always had a promising product but could never understand how important it
was to lock development and provide proper customer support.......
http://www.bluemountainavionics.com/news2/news.php?displayType=article&ar
ticleID=74
Comments on his board...
http://bluemountainavionics.com/talk/showthread.php?t=1849
Michael
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| Subject: | Re: Hanger for shoulder belts? |
Tim,
We just ordered material for a production run of seat belt hangers. I think
the price will be about $60 including all the instructions and hardware for
some high-quality hard points in the ceiling. Here are a couple of pictures
(in a Word document). We should be shipping soon after Oshkosh. These work
really well, and you will have some variability as to where you place them.
I avoided a hook that protruded down for safety reasons.
More soon,
Dave Saylor
AirCrafters LLC
140 Aviation Way
Watsonville, CA 95076
831-722-9141 Shop
831-750-0284 Cell
On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 4:09 PM, Dawson-Townsend,Timothy <
tdawson-townsend@aurora.aero> wrote:
> For those who have installed a hanger on the cabin roof to hold front
> shoulder belts handy, where did you put it? I'd like to install one in the
> middle with two hooks, but don't have seats installed to "feel" where a good
> fore-aft location is. Can you tell me in inches from the top of the
> woindshield cabin support or something?
> Thanks for your input!
>
> Tim D-T
> 40025
>
--
Dave Saylor
AirCrafters LLC
140 Aviation Way
Watsonville, CA 95076
831-722-9141 Shop
831-750-0284 Cell
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| Subject: | Re: Nav antenna location |
You are correct....about 4 times more expensive.,,,,,,wow!
On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 1:17 PM, Tim Olson <Tim@myrv10.com> wrote:
>
> Aren't they way way more expensive? I remember flying along just over
> 100nm away from a station in front of me, receiving it with my
> backwards mounted (V facing forward) NAV antenna, mounted under
> the tail. Now, it may be more sensitive mounted facing forward,
> and it may work better mounted on the top of the VS, but I
> was pretty happy with it, considering it's generally used as
> backup navigation for me. My Archer nav doesn't perform nearly
> as well and not nearly as well from any direction. Blade
> antennas might work great, but last I saw they were very
> expensive, too. I guess everyone has their tradeoff as to
> what they are both wanting and willing to accept. I can only
> speak for what I installed, and note that it's working plenty
> well for me. The V's might be more sensitive in the forward
> direction, but really, VOR's should be well received in all
> directions or they aren't as useful as they should be.
>
> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
> do not archive
>
>
> Kelly McMullen wrote:
>
>> If that were much of an issue, why not go with the more sensitive and
>> balanced blade antennas? Most new production aircraft use them. IIRC they
>> were designed to optimize VOR/DME RNAV performance.
>>
>> On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 12:32 PM, David McNeill <dlm46007@cox.net <mailto:
>> dlm46007@cox.net>> wrote:
>>
>> <mailto:dlm46007@cox.net>>
>>
>> Marketing I assume. Swept back is cool. A lot of serious IFR
>> aircraft have
>> them swept forward to more accurately know where one is going rather
>> than
>> where one has been. IFR magazine had an article of an aircraft in
>> IMC that
>> hit a mountain while traveling between Port Angeles and Seattle along
>> an
>> airway. The cause was determined to be a bent VOR signal and the
>> sensitivity
>> of the antennas. I don't recall the particulars but do know that the
>> sensitivity is in the direction of the elements of the V.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>> <mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com>
>> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>> <mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com>] On Behalf Of John
>> Cumins
>> Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2009 11:36 AM
>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com <mailto:rv10-list@matronics.com>
>> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Nav antenna location
>>
>> <mailto:jcumins@jcis.net>>
>>
>> If that's the case then why does everyone point them aft.
>>
>> John G. Cumins
>> President
>>
>> JC'S Interactive Systems
>> 2499 B1 Martin Rd
>> Fairfield Ca 94533
>> 707-425-7100
>> 707-425-7576 Fax
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>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>> <mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com>
>> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>> <mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com>] On Behalf Of David
>> McNeill
>> Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2009 10:42 AM
>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com <mailto:rv10-list@matronics.com>
>> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Nav antenna location
>>
>> <mailto:dlm46007@cox.net>>
>>
>> The lobes of sensitivity lie along the sides of the V. pointed
>> forward. More
>> sensitivity forward.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>> <mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com>
>> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>> <mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com>] On Behalf Of John
>> Cumins
>> Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2009 10:14 AM
>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com <mailto:rv10-list@matronics.com>
>> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Nav antenna location
>>
>> <mailto:jcumins@jcis.net>>
>>
>> Jason
>>
>> I am going to do the same thing and will add the LED beacon. I was
>> wondering why you have the Antenna pointed forward. I would think
>> going aft
>> would relieve a lot of stress on the antenna mount.
>>
>> I am also going to place the Nav antenna on top of the VS they
>> really work
>> best up there.
>>
>> John G. Cumins
>> 40864 EMP
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>> <mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com>
>> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>> <mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com>] On Behalf Of jkreidler
>> Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2009 4:40 AM
>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com <mailto:rv10-list@matronics.com>
>> Subject: RV10-List: Re: Nav antenna location
>>
>> <jason.kreidler@regalbeloit.com <mailto:jason.kreidler@regalbeloit.com
>> >>
>>
>> We put ours on top of the VS, we also added an LED beacon up there.
>> See
>> attached...
>>
>> Jason Kreidler - 4 Partner Build
>> N44YH - Flying - #40617
>> Sheboygan Falls, WI
>> Tony Kolar, Kyle Hokel, Wayne Elsner, & Jason Kreidler
>>
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>>
>> Read this topic online here:
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>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=252251#252251
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| Subject: | Re: Hanger for shoulder belts? |
This shot of my install should give you a pretty good idea.=C2- They work
great.=C2- Almost anywhere close is fine... just a pain to have to reach
into the back seat to retieve.=C2-
Don McDonald
--- On Thu, 7/9/09, Dawson-Townsend,Timothy <tdawson-townsend@aurora.aero>
wrote:
From: Dawson-Townsend,Timothy <tdawson-townsend@aurora.aero>
Subject: RV10-List: Hanger for shoulder belts?
For those who have installed a hanger on the cabin roof to hold front shoul
der belts handy, where did you put it?=C2- I'd like to install one in the
middle with two hooks, but don't have seats installed to "feel" where a go
od fore-aft location is.=C2- Can you tell me in inches from the top of th
e woindshield cabin support or something?
Thanks for your input!
Tim D-T
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