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1. 03:52 AM - Congrats Rick! (Bob Leffler)
2. 03:56 AM - Re: Tube Bender (AirMike)
3. 04:30 AM - C O N G R A T U L A T I O N S ! ! ! ! (Deems Davis)
4. 05:56 AM - Re: C O N G R A T U L A T I O N S ! ! ! ! (gary)
5. 06:04 AM - Re: Door latch mod (johngoodman)
6. 06:11 AM - Re: Tube Bender (johngoodman)
7. 06:22 AM - Re: bottom skin lap joint and phase one complete!!! (Tim Olson)
8. 06:23 AM - Re: High Oil temps (Tim Olson)
9. 06:41 AM - Re: High Oil temps (Tim Olson)
10. 07:33 AM - Static Lines/Ports (Sandra & Rick Lark)
11. 08:13 AM - Re: Static Lines/Ports (Tim Olson)
12. 11:39 AM - RV-10 Fuel System Update (Jesse Saint)
13. 11:56 AM - Tube Benders (ThisOne)
14. 12:35 PM - Re: RV-10 Fuel System Update (Tim Olson)
15. 01:38 PM - Re: RV-10 Fuel System Update (Bob Turner)
16. 08:14 PM - Re: High Oil temps (richard sipp)
17. 08:36 PM - Re: High Oil temps (Tim Olson)
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Rick,
Congratulations on completing Phase I!!!
I assume that you are bringing the RV-10 with you to OSH so you can steal
some of Deems' thunder. :^) Looks like we are going to have another bumper
crop of RV-10s again this year.
See you in a couple weeks....
Bob
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You also need the 3/8" bender channel for the fuel lines.
Also, buy or borrow a GOOD QUALITY 37 degree flare tool.
There are a lot of crappy products out there.
Check out the posts on the Bonaco lines for brakes and fuel
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OSH '09 or Bust (busted) be there someday
Q/B Kit - end game
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| Subject: | C O N G R A T U L A T I O N S ! ! ! ! |
Boy talk about Stealth !!! Congratulations to you Rick !! If anyone
deserves some acknowledgment its you. Anybody that remembers James
McClow and can poke fun at my spleing and tyyping is OK in my book!
Save me a parking place, but not too close to N246RS (I don't want
people to throw rocks @ N519PJ ) I'll be arriving Sun.
Deems Davis
N519PJ
www.deemsrv10.com
ricksked@embarqmail.com wrote:
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> I did....and I filled/blended the top skin...call me anal...5.and a half years
building and. about 3000+ hours of a standard build, painted it myself with
help of a friend and phase one hours are complete but we still need to explore
gross weight testing.
> .Look for pics of N246RS In a week...gotta buff out the paint next week... See
ya'll at OSH. .Coming in early Saturday before the fork tailed doctor killers
(V tailed Bonanza's) and spam cans....Oh!!! and keep pounding those rivets...you
are gonna LOVE this aircraft!!!! Yuck yuck.....it flys!!! Sorry for the
clandestine approach....the local Guvment hates us here... James McClow where
are you!!!!!! So I guess I missed out on those first flight kudos huh?
>
> Rick Sked
> N246RS
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| Subject: | C O N G R A T U L A T I O N S ! ! ! ! |
Congratulations. It has been a long and hopefully pleasant experience.
Have a safe trip and see you in OSH.
Gary Specketer
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Deems Davis
Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 6:28 AM
Subject: RV10-List: C O N G R A T U L A T I O N S ! ! ! !
Boy talk about Stealth !!! Congratulations to you Rick !! If anyone
deserves some acknowledgment its you. Anybody that remembers James
McClow and can poke fun at my spleing and tyyping is OK in my book!
Save me a parking place, but not too close to N246RS (I don't want
people to throw rocks @ N519PJ ) I'll be arriving Sun.
Deems Davis
N519PJ
www.deemsrv10.com
ricksked@embarqmail.com wrote:
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> I did....and I filled/blended the top skin...call me anal...5.and a half
years building and. about 3000+ hours of a standard build, painted it
myself with help of a friend and phase one hours are complete but we still
need to explore gross weight testing.
> .Look for pics of N246RS In a week...gotta buff out the paint next week...
See ya'll at OSH. .Coming in early Saturday before the fork tailed doctor
killers (V tailed Bonanza's) and spam cans....Oh!!! and keep pounding those
rivets...you are gonna LOVE this aircraft!!!! Yuck yuck.....it flys!!!
Sorry for the clandestine approach....the local Guvment hates us here...
James McClow where are you!!!!!! So I guess I missed out on those first
flight kudos huh?
>
> Rick Sked
> N246RS
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| Subject: | Re: Door latch mod |
> What is a Staniforth latch?
> Linn
Here is a photo I saved from the post.
John
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#40572 QB Fuselage, wings finished. Finish Kit started.
N711JG reserved
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Rob,
Check out this web page from Harbor Freight:
http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=3755
John
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#40572 QB Fuselage, wings finished. Finish Kit started.
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| Subject: | Re: bottom skin lap joint and phase one complete!!! |
Big congrats to you Rick! Man, your presence goes waaaaaaaay back on
this list...nice to see it come to completion!
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
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ricksked@embarqmail.com wrote:
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> I did....and I filled/blended the top skin...call me anal...5.and a half years
building and. about 3000+ hours of a standard build, painted it myself with
help of a friend and phase one hours are complete but we still need to explore
gross weight testing.
> .Look for pics of N246RS In a week...gotta buff out the paint next week... See
ya'll at OSH. .Coming in early Saturday before the fork tailed doctor killers
(V tailed Bonanza's) and spam cans....Oh!!! and keep pounding those rivets...you
are gonna LOVE this aircraft!!!! Yuck yuck.....it flys!!! Sorry for the
clandestine approach....the local Guvment hates us here... James McClow where
are you!!!!!! So I guess I missed out on those first flight kudos huh?
>
> Rick Sked
> N246RS
>
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> I did not . Figured only a few very anal RV 10 builders would ever
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> Is that joint completed on the "quick build option" ?
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> Dr Fred
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> Strasnuts wrote:
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>> Did anyone else sand down the bottom skin lap joints similar to the wing skins?
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| Subject: | Re: High Oil temps |
Dick,
Can you fill us in...maybe with pictures, on what you mean about opening
the gap on the wrap around baffles. How did you loosen them without
them flapping, or what did you do? My CHT's are warmer in climb
on my new cylinders than the old. The new have tapered lower barrels,
and that meant that the wrap-around had an odd taper to it too. So,
I filled in the gap with RTV. I'm wondering about your opening the
gap, because maybe by my closing the gap that's where the added
heating is coming from. Would be nice to see what you did on
#1 and #6. I haven't switched back to Exxon Elite yet, so I
have been holding off doing anything drastic, as I think my temps
went down with that oil. I may have just tightened up things too
much though as when I put the new cylinders on I went to every
extreme getting the gaps sealed....maybe I just over did it.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
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richard sipp wrote:
> The recent hot weather has certainly provided a good test environment
> for our cooling issues.
>
> I am running Van's oil cooler and the stock cowling outlets and a stock
> D4A5 with a single Lightspeed. I usually climb at 2600/full rich and
> 115 KIAS. Prior to this trip, in hot weather, I was seeing an occasional
> 400-410 on cyls 1 & 6. 1st. mod was to open the gap on the wrap around
> exit cylinder head baffles of 1 and 6 by about .500 inches. and I
> removed the right side front cylinder air dam.
>
> This past week I departed Salt Lake City and climbed direct to 13,000 in
> ISA +35 conditions. Cyls 1 & 6 were running in the 390's. I have not
> had much of a problem with the oil temp. Under these conditions if I
> remember correctly it went to 190 ish in the climb and then back down to
> 180 in cruise.
>
> I am still wrestling with fuel injector balance as the engine runs more
> rough than I would like at more than 20-30 LOP. At this high altitude
> and high temp I ended up running about 50 ROP to get the cyls all below 380.
>
> Just another data point I guess.
>
> Dick Sipp
> N110DV 160 hours
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* James McGrew <mailto:jsmcgrew@alum.mit.edu>
> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com <mailto:rv10-list@matronics.com>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, July 14, 2009 7:31 PM
> *Subject:* Re: RV10-List: High Oil temps
>
> I did some flying this weekend. I flew from Fort Worth (very hot) to
> Meadow Lake (near Colorado Springs, very high) and back. I have a
> IO-540D4A5 with the standard Van's installation (plus some added
> louvers just forward of the stock louvers). I have had high
> temperature problems with the cylinder heads and the oil in the past
> while flying this same route. As a technique on this trip I climbed
> at 2500 RPM with full rich mixture. My average rate of climb to
> 10500'/11500' was about 1000 fpm. The average fuel burn rate was 20
> gph. I climbed at around 105 KIAS. That is a high fuel flow,
> however, I only burned about 3 gallons getting to altitude. The good
> news is, my CHTs stayed below 400 and the oil stayed around 200 for
> the climb. This will be my climb technique until I have a chance to
> look at additional cowl modifications.
>
> -Jim
> N312JE
> On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 5:56 PM, Michael Kraus
> <n223rv@wolflakeairport.net <mailto:n223rv@wolflakeairport.net>> wrote:
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> <n223rv@wolflakeairport.net <mailto:n223rv@wolflakeairport.net>>
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> We did the same thing, but used 2 more of the Vans vents. Same
> location as you did and got similar results.
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> Sent from my iPhone
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> On Jul 14, 2009, at 11:35 AM, "Albert Gardner"
> <ibspud@roadrunner.com <mailto:ibspud@roadrunner.com>> wrote:
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> I think I have my high oil temps problem under control
> finally. I previously
> had added a high capacity oil cooler on the right side but
> still was seeing
> temps climbing too high now that summer is upon us. I added 2
> non-retractable cowl flaps on the bottom. The rectangular
> opening in the
> cowl is 4 x 9 inches. The opening at the rear is 2 x 4
> inches. They are
> non-retractable because the mufflers would interfere. This
> seems to be a
> final fix. I'll try it tomorrow with daytime temps at 111.
> Good thing KNYL
> is at 216'.
> Albert Gardner
> Yuma, AZ
> N991RV
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| Subject: | Re: High Oil temps |
Speaking of what you did there with the cowl opening, I did
a little playing a while back and although the data isn't
really good data, I do have a theory....
The standard Van's Louvres don't stick out at all. My thought
was that the fast moving air coming by the lower cowl was
keeping the boundary layer too tight to the existing louvres,
not giving the air inside any real good path to get out...
almost making a "wall of air". (of course it may be causing
a slight low pressure...it should, I'd think) So what I did
was to stick on with aluminum tape a couple of homemade vortex
generators in front of the louvres. My theory was it would
create a lower pressure disturbance and give the Van's
louvres a little help by creating some suction to pull
that warm air out. It isn't reliable measured data, but
I think I did see a decrease of a few...maybe up to 10
degrees. That kind of sounds like how the effect of James
McGrew's would be, too...I haven't seen photos but if he
put additional louvres (the normal raised kind) in front
of the Van's Louvres, maybe they would not only increase
the exit area, but decrease the pressure in that area to
assist getting rid of the cowl's internal hot air.
It was just a thought...not sure how valid.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
Albert Gardner wrote:
> I think I have my high oil temps problem under control finally. I previously
> had added a high capacity oil cooler on the right side but still was seeing
> temps climbing too high now that summer is upon us. I added 2
> non-retractable cowl flaps on the bottom. The rectangular opening in the
> cowl is 4 x 9 inches. The opening at the rear is 2 x 4 inches. They are
> non-retractable because the mufflers would interfere. This seems to be a
> final fix. I'll try it tomorrow with daytime temps at 111. Good thing KNYL
> is at 216'.
> Albert Gardner
> Yuma, AZ
> N991RV
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| Subject: | Static Lines/Ports |
Hey guys, Thx for all your info regarding the pitot ports and lines. I
decided to order the Cleveland ports.
For anyone who doesn't know, if you order parts from a vendor before
Airventure and just pick them up at the show, the Wisconsin sales tax is not
applicable. I'm not sure what % it even is, but since I have to convert to
Cnd dollars, it all helps.
Regards,
Rick
#40956
Southampton, Ont
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| Subject: | Re: Static Lines/Ports |
Sales tax here should be 5%, plus most counties add another 1/2% or
give or take a quarter percent. So 5-6% total.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
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Sandra & Rick Lark wrote:
>
> Hey guys, Thx for all your info regarding the pitot ports and lines. I
> decided to order the Cleveland ports.
>
> For anyone who doesn't know, if you order parts from a vendor before
> Airventure and just pick them up at the show, the Wisconsin sales tax is
> not applicable. I'm not sure what % it even is, but since I have to
> convert to Cnd dollars, it all helps.
> Regards,
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> Rick
> #40956
> Southampton, Ont
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| Subject: | RV-10 Fuel System Update |
Just so ya'll know, Van's has finally modified their fuel system.
Notice the changes in the lines and the location of the valve
(allowing more room for the SCAT hose). They also have a different
handle with a button to lock it in position. I don't know when they
make the change, but if your front tunnel cover for your fuse kit has
a round hole, you have the old version. If it has a non-round hole,
you have the new system. It's about time them made a change like
this. You will also notice the plans call for a bulkhead fitting in
the side of the tunnel where it connects to the seat area. I know a
lot of people have been doing this anyway, but Van's has finally
acknowledged that making a single solid line all the way from the
valve to the wing is very difficult. For those who haven't gotten to
this point yet, it might be work calling Van's and seeing if they can
get the modified parts (tunnel sides optional, maybe new valve support
bracket, and definitely new tunnel cover and parts that go with it
like the knob, button, valve extension, locking plate, etc.). I don't
have the plans in front of me, or I would include some part numbers.
If anybody is interested, I can try to make a list.
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Rob,
Speaking as one who bends tubing for a living, I would recommend you look for benders
from Parker or Ridgid. Whit these you have more leverage, and you can place
one end in a vice so that you can make cleaner bends.
The bender shown (in the link above) is made of cast aluminum and they tend to
break.
On the flaring tool You can get a good one from ACS.
And good luck to you on your bending :o)
Regards,
Brett
Bonaco, Inc.
brett at boancoinc.com
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| Subject: | Re: RV-10 Fuel System Update |
Awesome with photos, thanks Jesse!
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
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Jesse Saint wrote:
> Just so ya'll know, Van's has finally modified their fuel system.
> Notice the changes in the lines and the location of the valve (allowing
> more room for the SCAT hose). They also have a different handle with a
> button to lock it in position. I don't know when they make the change,
> but if your front tunnel cover for your fuse kit has a round hole, you
> have the old version. If it has a non-round hole, you have the new
> system. It's about time them made a change like this. You will also
> notice the plans call for a bulkhead fitting in the side of the tunnel
> where it connects to the seat area. I know a lot of people have been
> doing this anyway, but Van's has finally acknowledged that making a
> single solid line all the way from the valve to the wing is very
> difficult. For those who haven't gotten to this point yet, it might be
> work calling Van's and seeing if they can get the modified parts (tunnel
> sides optional, maybe new valve support bracket, and definitely new
> tunnel cover and parts that go with it like the knob, button, valve
> extension, locking plate, etc.). I don't have the plans in front of me,
> or I would include some part numbers. If anybody is interested, I can
> try to make a list.
>
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| Subject: | Re: RV-10 Fuel System Update |
I believe the change happened around April 2008. I picked up my QB fuselage at
that time, and got a "hybrid": Mostly the old system, but some parts (like the
tunnel cover, new valve handle, instructions) were for the new setup. Vans asked
me which one I wanted, I said new, they sent the needed parts.
Note the valve is also slightly different - the handle is slightly thinner, and
has a thru hole, for the extension shaft. Likewise, the mounting bracket is not
the old one turned upside down, it's slightly different.
The hardest part of installing the new setup from scratch is getting the placement
of the new, lower mounting bracket right. There's a long lever arm on the
shaft extension, and it has to hit the hole in the cover.
The new handle locks - it has a "pull up to turn" feature. It also looks a whole
lot better than the old one!
--------
Bob Turner
RV-10 QB
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| Subject: | Re: High Oil temps |
On Wednesday, July 15, 2009 9:23 AM Tim wrote:
Can you fill us in...maybe with pictures, on what you mean about opening
the gap on the wrap around baffles........
I'll try to get a couple of pictures but won't be back at the airport until
after the weekend.
What I am trying to describe is the portion of the cylinder baffle below the
cylinder (where the cooling air exits) around the top portion of the
cylinder. This is the part of the baffle that small diameter rod or safety
wire goes through on the front of the front cyl and back of the back
cylinder on each side. To open them the rod is removed and bent tab is
rebent to make the opening a little bigger and a new hole drilled for the
rod.
This process was described in an old book by Ken Pazer "speed with
efficiency". He experimented with various size openings to minimize cooling
drag.
The idea is opening this exit channel allows more air to flow around that
cylinder, think of an individual cylinder cowl flap.
Did you replace your cylinders already?
Dick
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| Subject: | Re: High Oil temps |
Ahh, that makes sense. So you're giving maybe a higher volume of flow
through there, even though it all doesn't hit the fins....it may
encourage more free flowing. Interesting. Mine is sealed up
really tight down there....I even RTV'd the gaps to make sure the
exit was ONLY through the fins...maybe I need to look at that a
little.
Yes, I had the ECI cylinders affected by the A.D. that required
the repetitive inspections and pressure tests, and at the time
they had a really good deal to just swap yours out for new ones
that weren't affected. I couldn't resist, since I had almost
400 hours on them already. I figured I could eliminate the
A.D. / S.B. worries and future possible headaches and just get
a new improved set. Turns out it was great timing because once
the economy tanked they withdrew the offer, so I was lucky to
get them when I did. It was a good learning experience to
change them all too...I feel much more comfortable working
on the engine.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
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richard sipp wrote:
>
> On Wednesday, July 15, 2009 9:23 AM Tim wrote:
> Can you fill us in...maybe with pictures, on what you mean about opening
> the gap on the wrap around baffles........
>
> I'll try to get a couple of pictures but won't be back at the airport
> until after the weekend.
>
> What I am trying to describe is the portion of the cylinder baffle below
> the cylinder (where the cooling air exits) around the top portion of the
> cylinder. This is the part of the baffle that small diameter rod or
> safety wire goes through on the front of the front cyl and back of the
> back cylinder on each side. To open them the rod is removed and bent
> tab is rebent to make the opening a little bigger and a new hole drilled
> for the rod.
>
> This process was described in an old book by Ken Pazer "speed with
> efficiency". He experimented with various size openings to minimize
> cooling drag.
>
> The idea is opening this exit channel allows more air to flow around
> that cylinder, think of an individual cylinder cowl flap.
>
> Did you replace your cylinders already?
>
> Dick
>
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