---------------------------------------------------------- RV10-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 07/20/09: 25 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:52 AM - Re: wiggly step syndrome (Bob Leffler) 2. 07:34 AM - Put me away!!! (Rick Sked) 3. 08:51 AM - Re: Put me away!!! (Patrick Thyssen) 4. 09:41 AM - Re: Re: Second Battery location (Vernon Smith) 5. 10:07 AM - Re: Engine Delivery Question (nukeflyboy) 6. 10:54 AM - Re: Eyeball Vents (Bill Mauledriver Watson) 7. 11:20 AM - Deal on RG-400 (Lenny Iszak) 8. 03:15 PM - Re: Put me away!!! (Kelly McMullen) 9. 04:50 PM - Extra K 1000-6 nutplates? (Vernon Smith) 10. 04:53 PM - Re: Re: Engine Delivery Question (Don McDonald) 11. 05:07 PM - OSH RV-10 HQ Open For Business! (bcondrey) 12. 05:08 PM - Re: Eyeball Vents (Don McDonald) 13. 05:10 PM - Re: Extra K 1000-6 nutplates? (David McNeill) 14. 05:11 PM - Re: Extra K 1000-6 nutplates? (Rene Felker) 15. 06:07 PM - Re: OSH RV-10 HQ Open For Business! (Neal George) 16. 06:40 PM - Re: OSH RV-10 HQ Open For Business! (Condrey, Bob (US SSA)) 17. 07:39 PM - Re: OSH RV-10 HQ Open For Business! (bcondrey) 18. 07:52 PM - eAPIS (Rick and Sandra Lark) 19. 08:06 PM - Interior Door Handles (Les Kearney) 20. 08:11 PM - Re: eAPIS (Les Kearney) 21. 08:26 PM - Re: Eyeball Vents (Bob Turner) 22. 08:28 PM - Re: Extra K 1000-6 nutplates? (Bob Turner) 23. 08:36 PM - Re: Eyeball Vents (Andrew Johnson) 24. 09:55 PM - Re: OSH RV-10 HQ Open For Business! (Dave Leikam) 25. 11:15 PM - Re: Eyeball Vents (Don McDonald) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:52:09 AM PST US From: "Bob Leffler" Subject: RE: RV10-List: wiggly step syndrome I just finished my steps two weeks ago. Other than adding Bob's step bushing, my were done per plans with an AN3 bolt. I did have to sand a little off the bushings to get them to fit, but it wasn't much. My steps are rock solid. Bob From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rob Kochman Sent: Monday, July 20, 2009 2:23 AM Subject: Re: RV10-List: wiggly step syndrome I finally finished installation of Bob's step bushings. They fit perfect, though they did require a little extra "push" to get in place, due to some small burrs in the bolt holes. Also, I enlarged the holes in the steps to accept an AN4 bolt. Hard to say definitively whether the extra tension of the 1/4" bolt or the bushing (or both) made the difference, but my steps are rock solid now. -Rob ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 07:34:59 AM PST US From: Rick Sked Subject: RV10-List: Put me away!!! Bad phone picture but you get the idea of the odd weather we had in Vegas this weekend..The rain gods opened up about 10 minutes later. Easier to race home when you can actually race!!! Rick Sked N246RS ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 08:51:16 AM PST US From: Patrick Thyssen Subject: Re: RV10-List: Put me away!!! Rick, -Looks good to me, I'll see you at SNF Patrick Thyssen --- On Mon, 7/20/09, Rick Sked wrote: From: Rick Sked Subject: RV10-List: Put me away!!! Bad phone picture but you get the idea of the odd weather we had in Vegas t his weekend..The rain gods opened up about 10 minutes later. Easier to race home when you can actually race!!! Rick Sked N246RS ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 09:41:34 AM PST US From: Vernon Smith Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Second Battery location A little late to the party=2C but here is a link to how I mount my second b attery on the front of the tunnel. http://www.aviationstop.com/ Vern Smith (#324 fitting wings) From: johngoodman Sent: Monday=2C 20 July=2C 2009 11:26:52 AM Subject: RV10-List: Re: Second Battery location Thanks to all=2C I've gotten several private comments and it probably makes more sense putting it on the firewall. Found a great place - the cabin sid e of the firewall above the co-pilot pedals. Had to move the brake reservoi r=2C but no big deal. John -------- #40572 QB Fuselage=2C wings finished. Finish Kit started. N711JG reserved Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=253812#253812<="http://foru ms.matronics.com/" nbsp=3B --> Access Yahoo!7 Mail on your mobile. Anytime. Anywhere. Show me how. _________________________________________________________________ NEW mobile Hotmail. Optimized for YOUR phone. Click here. http://windowslive.com/Mobile?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_CS_MB_new_hotmail_072009 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 10:07:21 AM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: Engine Delivery Question From: "nukeflyboy" Don, That's a great idea. It worked well for the builders of the pyramids so why not now! Of course one of the advantages of living here on the airpark is that between us, we own just about every tool ever conceived. See you at OSH. do not archive -------- Dave Moore RV-6 flying RV-10 QB - cabin top/fiberglass hell Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=253926#253926 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 10:54:13 AM PST US From: Bill Mauledriver Watson Subject: Re: RV10-List: Eyeball Vents I like Stein's too. Haven't flown them or compared them but I was impressed with the design and quality. Les Kearney wrote: > > Hi > > I have a bit of a plug or Stiens eyeball vents. I recently purchased > the Aveo vents from ACS and found that they didnt seal very well when > closed. I returned them and ordered the vents from Stein. I was > mightily impressed they sealed completely with negligible leakage. > They are truly well made as is claimed on Stiens site. > > So if you need vents, my recommendation is to go with Stein. > > Cheers > > Les > > * > > > * ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 11:20:59 AM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Deal on RG-400 From: "Lenny Iszak" Found some RG-400 for a $1/ft. http://www.skycraftsurplus.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID 78 It usually sells for $2+ Just received it, and it's the real deal. Thought I pass it on. Lenny Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=253942#253942 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 03:15:48 PM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: Put me away!!! From: Kelly McMullen That is normal weather in Aridzona during "monsoon" season. Swept several pounds of dust out of hangar this morning. On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 7:30 AM, Rick Sked wrote: > Bad phone picture but you get the idea of the odd weather we had in Vegas > this weekend..The rain gods opened up about 10 minutes later. Easier to race > home when you can actually race!!! > > Rick Sked > N246RS > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 04:50:54 PM PST US From: Vernon Smith Subject: RV10-List: Extra K 1000-6 nutplates? Hi All=2C My standard build fuselage kit came with 8ea. of the K 1000-6 (3/8"). This is in addition to the 7 ea. that comes with the empennage kit for the contr ol surface bearing mounts. Can anyone tell me where they go? I'm installing my wings and haven't found a home for them as of yet. Called Van's today and they weren=92t sure and could think of what they where the y would be used. Anyway I don't like extra hardware especially anything tha t is this big and load bearing. Thanks=2C Vern Smith (#324 attaching wings=2C finishing) _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live=99 Hotmail=AE: Celebrate the moment with your favorite sports pics. Check it out. http://www.windowslive.com/Online/Hotmail/Campaign/QuickAdd?ocid=TXT_TAGL M_WL_QA_HM_sports_photos_072009&cat=sports ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 04:53:30 PM PST US From: Don McDonald Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Engine Delivery Question Unfortunately, we won't be at Osh.- A hair toooo soon for the plane, but mostly because Kim has to attend her sons Army basic training graduation in Georgia on the 30th.... right smack in the middle of Osh!!!!!- Go-figu re...- Next year for sure.- Will be down a little your way in Sept... S edona... maybe after the week there we'll just keep going and head for Gran bury.- Ya think. Don McDonald N414DM - 55 hours and counting --- On Mon, 7/20/09, nukeflyboy wrote: From: nukeflyboy Subject: RV10-List: Re: Engine Delivery Question Don, That's a great idea.- It worked well for the builders of the pyramids so why not now!- Of course one of the advantages of living here on the airpa rk is that between us, we own just about every tool ever conceived.- See you at OSH. do not archive -------- Dave Moore RV-6 flying RV-10 QB - cabin top/fiberglass hell Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=253926#253926 le, List Admin. =0A=0A=0A ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 05:07:01 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: OSH RV-10 HQ Open For Business! From: "bcondrey" It's official, Gary and I (and Brenda and Susan) are now on-site for the duration and all sites are staked out. We will tag them as soon as the registration office opens in the morning. We'll be in the same location as last year in Camp Scholler which is immediately south of Lindbergh along 55th (east and west sides of the road). We again have a "group site" with picnic tables and shade canopies for use. This is where we'll have a few large cookouts during the week - more info when it's figured out on that. It is the 4th site south of Lindbergh on the west side of 55th. http://www.airventure.org/planning/scholler_2009.pdf Bob Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=254013#254013 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 05:08:40 PM PST US From: Don McDonald Subject: Re: RV10-List: Eyeball Vents Just in case SOME other builders out there are on a budget.... and don't wa nt the leaky plastic vents.... I bought a bunch of aluminum swivel eyeball vents (and can get more) from a local aircraft recycle place.=C2- They=C2 -work great, and I only paid $10 each.=C2- They are a little smaller in diameter, but put out a bunch=C2-of air.=C2- I could probably buy them for $20 to $30 each.=C2-=C2-=C2-Who knows, maybe I could still get t hem for $10.=C2- Just let me know, and I'll make a trip over there. Don McDonald=C2- --- On Mon, 7/20/09, Bill Mauledriver Watson wrote: From: Bill Mauledriver Watson Subject: Re: RV10-List: Eyeball Vents .com> I like Stein's too. Haven't flown them or compared them but I was impressed with the design and quality. Les Kearney wrote: > > Hi > > I have a bit of a plug or Stien=99s eyeball vents. I recently purch ased the Aveo vents from ACS and found that they didn=99t seal very w ell when closed. I returned them and ordered the vents from Stein. I was mi ghtily impressed =93 they sealed completely with negligible leakage. They are truly well made =93 as is claimed on Stien=99s site. > > So if you need vents, my recommendation is to go with Stein. > > Cheers > > Les > > * > > > * S WEB FORUMS - on Web Site - =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- -Matt Dralle, List Admin. =0A=0A=0A ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 05:10:46 PM PST US From: "David McNeill" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Extra K 1000-6 nutplates? Better get used to it. Over the course of the build, you will buy many additional pieces of aircraft hardware, in addition the kit supplier will send wrong quantities and wrong length hardware. I have finished two aircraft and have at least 15 trays of spare hardware. The only thing to check is that all unique kit parts are used or accounted for. For example I wondered why I had two SS cables left for the 10, I then realized that because I installed inertial reel belts I did not need the SS cables through the rear baggage area. And yes the aircraft are flying. Glastar 500+ TT and RV10 180+ TT. _____ From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Vernon Smith Sent: Monday, July 20, 2009 4:50 PM Subject: RV10-List: Extra K 1000-6 nutplates? Hi All, My standard build fuselage kit came with 8ea. of the K 1000-6 (3/8"). This is in addition to the 7 ea. that comes with the empennage kit for the control surface bearing mounts. Can anyone tell me where they go? I'm installing my wings and haven't found a home for them as of yet. Called Van's today and they weren't sure and could think of what they where they would be used. Anyway I don't like extra hardware especially anything that is this big and load bearing. Thanks, Vern Smith (#324 attaching wings, finishing) _____ Windows LiveT HotmailR: Celebrate the moment with your favorite sports pics. Check it out. ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 05:11:25 PM PST US From: "Rene Felker" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Extra K 1000-6 nutplates? Firewall? Don't have my plans and it has been awhile...just guessing. Rene' Felker RV-10 N423CF Flying 801-721-6080 From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Vernon Smith Sent: Monday, July 20, 2009 5:50 PM Subject: RV10-List: Extra K 1000-6 nutplates? Hi All, My standard build fuselage kit came with 8ea. of the K 1000-6 (3/8"). This is in addition to the 7 ea. that comes with the empennage kit for the control surface bearing mounts. Can anyone tell me where they go? I'm installing my wings and haven't found a home for them as of yet. Called Van's today and they weren't sure and could think of what they where they would be used. Anyway I don't like extra hardware especially anything that is this big and load bearing. Thanks, Vern Smith (#324 attaching wings, finishing) _____ Windows LiveT HotmailR: Celebrate the moment with your favorite sports pics. Check it out. ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 06:07:25 PM PST US From: "Neal George" Subject: RE: RV10-List: OSH RV-10 HQ Open For Business! That's just mean. -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of bcondrey Sent: Monday, July 20, 2009 7:06 PM Subject: RV10-List: OSH RV-10 HQ Open For Business! It's official, Gary and I (and Brenda and Susan) are now on-site for the duration and all sites are staked out. We will tag them as soon as the registration office opens in the morning. We'll be in the same location as last year in Camp Scholler which is immediately south of Lindbergh along 55th (east and west sides of the road). We again have a "group site" with picnic tables and shade canopies for use. This is where we'll have a few large cookouts during the week - more info when it's figured out on that. It is the 4th site south of Lindbergh on the west side of 55th. http://www.airventure.org/planning/scholler_2009.pdf Bob Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=254013#254013 ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 06:40:22 PM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: OSH RV-10 HQ Open For Business! From: "Condrey, Bob (US SSA)" We'll be thinkin' of ya! Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com Sent: Mon Jul 20 18:02:11 2009 Subject: RE: RV10-List: OSH RV-10 HQ Open For Business! That's just mean. -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of bcondrey Sent: Monday, July 20, 2009 7:06 PM Subject: RV10-List: OSH RV-10 HQ Open For Business! It's official, Gary and I (and Brenda and Susan) are now on-site for the duration and all sites are staked out. We will tag them as soon as the registration office opens in the morning. We'll be in the same location as last year in Camp Scholler which is immediately south of Lindbergh along 55th (east and west sides of the road). We again have a "group site" with picnic tables and shade canopies for use. This is where we'll have a few large cookouts during the week - more info when it's figured out on that. It is the 4th site south of Lindbergh on the west side of 55th. http://www.airventure.org/planning/scholler_2009.pdf Bob Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=254013#254013 ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 07:39:50 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: OSH RV-10 HQ Open For Business! From: "bcondrey" For those wondering about attendance, from what we can see in Camp Scholler it looks like there are more people here than at this time last year. Weather conditions have been very dry here - grass is long and a little crunchy. Fortunately, Michael Sausen has again dropped off a lawn mower for use. WiFi appears to be working great for me so far. Others have reported issues so we'll just have to see. Bob Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=254043#254043 ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 07:52:24 PM PST US From: "Rick and Sandra Lark" Subject: RV10-List: eAPIS Hi Les Being a fellow Canadian, I applied for an eApis last winter and have used it twice this spring/summer. I found the biggest problem was filling out the manifest. First time through it took me way over an hour to complete. When the reply did come it never stated yes I could cross the border, or no I couldn't, which lead to some confusion. The return email from DHS is entitled "Notification of receipt of Transmission". In it is a confirmation #. That's it However there was no request for the 178 form that was used previously by CBP. The most interesting part of this whole scenario was the CBP people where I cleared. They barely looked at our passports, and where more interested in how the elctronic filing went. Having said that, the customs guys certainly recognize me as I've crossed there lots of times before. Just make sure to give yourself lots of time to sent your manifest before you want to leave. Should not be a problem if your "ducks are in order" Hope to meet you at Airventure. Regards, Rick Southampton, Ont #40956 ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 08:06:57 PM PST US From: "Les Kearney" Subject: RV10-List: Interior Door Handles Hi Probably the kindest thing that can be said about the Van's finishing hardware is that most look like they are ex the Mordor iron works. This is especially true of the interior door handles that look pretty cheap. Today I just received my brushed aluminum handles from David Nellis. They are a very nice bit of kit. Here is a link to some photos of the handles - the pix don't do them justice. http://davidnellis.myphotoalbum.com/view_album.php?set_albumName=album18 Cheers Les #40643 - counting the days to a brewski at KOSH HQ ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 08:11:57 PM PST US From: "Les Kearney" Subject: RE: RV10-List: eAPIS Hi Rick I'll look forward to meeting you as well. Assuming, of course, that I don't get arrested from smuggling a case of Koknnee across the border. Cheers Les #40643 _____ From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick and Sandra Lark Sent: July-20-09 8:51 PM Subject: RV10-List: eAPIS Hi Les Being a fellow Canadian, I applied for an eApis last winter and have used it twice this spring/summer. I found the biggest problem was filling out the manifest. First time through it took me way over an hour to complete. When the reply did come it never stated yes I could cross the border, or no I couldn't, which lead to some confusion. The return email from DHS is entitled "Notification of receipt of Transmission". In it is a confirmation #. That's it However there was no request for the 178 form that was used previously by CBP. The most interesting part of this whole scenario was the CBP people where I cleared. They barely looked at our passports, and where more interested in how the elctronic filing went. Having said that, the customs guys certainly recognize me as I've crossed there lots of times before. Just make sure to give yourself lots of time to sent your manifest before you want to leave. Should not be a problem if your "ducks are in order" Hope to meet you at Airventure. Regards, Rick Southampton, Ont #40956 ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 08:26:26 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: Eyeball Vents From: "Bob Turner" I'd like to sign up for two. (Located in Bay area). -------- Bob Turner RV-10 QB Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=254052#254052 ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 08:28:20 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: Extra K 1000-6 nutplates? From: "Bob Turner" I called Vans about a shortage, and asked if the nutplates were in a different kit. They said they didn't know, they just sent me more. -------- Bob Turner RV-10 QB Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=254053#254053 ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 08:36:51 PM PST US From: "Andrew Johnson" Subject: Re: RV10-List: Eyeball Vents Could I buy a couple from you? I live in VA, so that may be a problem. Andy ----- Original Message ----- From: Don McDonald To: rv10-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, July 20, 2009 8:08 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Eyeball Vents Just in case SOME other builders out there are on a budget.... and don't want the leaky plastic vents.... I bought a bunch of aluminum swivel eyeball vents (and can get more) from a local aircraft recycle place. They work great, and I only paid $10 each. They are a little smaller in diameter, but put out a bunch of air. I could probably buy them for $20 to $30 each. Who knows, maybe I could still get them for $10. Just let me know, and I'll make a trip over there. Don McDonald --- On Mon, 7/20/09, Bill Mauledriver Watson wrote: From: Bill Mauledriver Watson Subject: Re: RV10-List: Eyeball Vents To: rv10-list@matronics.com Date: Monday, July 20, 2009, 10:47 AM I like Stein's too. Haven't flown them or compared them but I was impressed with the design and quality. Les Kearney wrote: > > Hi > > I have a bit of a plug or Stien=99s eyeball vents. I recently purchased the Aveo vents from ACS and found that they didn=99t seal very well when closed. I returned them and ordered the vents from Stein. I was mightily impressed =93 they sealed completely with negligible leakage. They are truly well made =93 as is claimed on Stien=99s site. > > So if you need vents, my recommendation is to go with Stein. > > Cheers > > Les > > * > > > sp; --> http:======================= http://====================== = ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 09:55:29 PM PST US From: "Dave Leikam" Subject: Re: RV10-List: OSH RV-10 HQ Open For Business! Is there any Wi-Fi this year? Dave Leikam RV-10 #40496 N89DA Muskego, WI ----- Original Message ----- From: "bcondrey" Sent: Monday, July 20, 2009 7:06 PM Subject: RV10-List: OSH RV-10 HQ Open For Business! > > It's official, Gary and I (and Brenda and Susan) are now on-site for the > duration and all sites are staked out. We will tag them as soon as the > registration office opens in the morning. > > We'll be in the same location as last year in Camp Scholler which is > immediately south of Lindbergh along 55th (east and west sides of the > road). We again have a "group site" with picnic tables and shade > canopies for use. This is where we'll have a few large cookouts during > the week - more info when it's figured out on that. It is the 4th site > south of Lindbergh on the west side of 55th. > > http://www.airventure.org/planning/scholler_2009.pdf > > Bob > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=254013#254013 > > > ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 11:15:36 PM PST US From: Don McDonald Subject: Re: RV10-List: Eyeball Vents Why would living in VA be a problem?=C2- We keep our boat there, maybe we can meet up. Don --- On Mon, 7/20/09, Andrew Johnson wrote: From: Andrew Johnson Subject: Re: RV10-List: Eyeball Vents =EF=BB Could I buy a couple from you?=C2- I live in VA, so that may be a problem .=C2- =C2- Andy ----- Original Message ----- From: Don McDonald Sent: Monday, July 20, 2009 8:08 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Eyeball Vents Just in case SOME other builders out there are on a budget.... and don't wa nt the leaky plastic vents.... I bought a bunch of aluminum swivel eyeball vents (and can get more) from a local aircraft recycle place.=C2- They=C2 -work great, and I only paid $10 each.=C2- They are a little smaller in diameter, but put out a bunch=C2-of air.=C2- I could probably buy them for $20 to $30 each.=C2-=C2-=C2-Who knows, maybe I could still get t hem for $10.=C2- Just let me know, and I'll make a trip over there. Don McDonald=C2- --- On Mon, 7/20/09, Bill Mauledriver Watson wrote: From: Bill Mauledriver Watson Subject: Re: RV10-List: Eyeball Vents .com> I like Stein's too. Haven't flown them or compared them but I was impressed with the design and quality. Les Kearney wrote: > > Hi > > I have a bit of a plug or Stien=99s eyeball vents. I recently purch ased the Aveo vents from ACS and found that they didn=99t seal very w ell when closed. I returned them and ordered the vents from Stein. I was mi ghtily impressed =93 they sealed completely with negligible leakage. They are truly well made =93 as is claimed on Stien=99s site. > > So if you need vents, my recommendation is to go with Stein. > > Cheers > > Les > > * > > > sp;=C2-=C2---> =0A=0A=0A ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message rv10-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/RV10-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/rv10-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/rv10-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.