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1. 12:03 AM - Re: Aux fuel tanks (AirMike)
2. 04:50 AM - Re: Aux fuel tanks (Chris and Susie)
3. 05:39 AM - Re: Re: Aux fuel tanks (David McNeill)
4. 06:38 AM - Re: Re: Eyeball Vents (Robert Brunkenhoefer)
5. 07:45 AM - different door latch system (David McNeill)
6. 09:33 AM - Re: different door latch system (Linn Walters)
7. 09:48 AM - wing install (velo)
8. 10:35 AM - Re: Aux fuel tanks (Masys, Daniel R)
9. 11:40 AM - Re: Crossing the border blues (Albert Gardner)
10. 11:42 AM - Re: Re: Aux fuel tanks (David McNeill)
11. 01:23 PM - Re: wing install (Jesse Saint)
12. 01:46 PM - Re: wing install (Ron B.)
13. 02:39 PM - Re: Aux fuel tanks (Chris and Susie)
14. 02:47 PM - Re: Re: wing install (Richard Barnes)
15. 03:34 PM - Re: Aux fuel tanks (David McNeill)
16. 03:49 PM - Re: Aux fuel tanks (McGann, Ron)
17. 04:03 PM - Re: Aux fuel tanks (Chris and Susie)
18. 04:12 PM - Re: Aux fuel tanks (Kelly McMullen)
19. 04:52 PM - Re: Aux fuel tanks (Robert Brunkenhoefer)
20. 04:52 PM - Re: Aux fuel tanks (Robert Brunkenhoefer)
21. 05:12 PM - Re: Aux fuel tanks (doctornigel)
22. 05:14 PM - Re: Re: Aux fuel tanks (pilotdds@aol.com)
23. 06:10 PM - Re: Aux fuel tanks (David McNeill)
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| Subject: | Re: Aux fuel tanks |
No disrespect intended, but didn't Vans issue some kind of admonition warning people
NOT to install aux tanks in the wings as the engineering had not accounted
for the extra loading????????
I am wondering why nobody has installed a tank in the baggage area. It could easily
hold 20 gallons. The floor is rated for the weight. It could feed by gravity
to the wings with the simple turn of a petcock fitting tee'd into the supply
line at the wing root. A baggage tank would be relatively safe, could vent
outside and would avoid the overloaded wing issue.
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OSH '09 or Bust (busted) be there someday
Q/B Kit - end game
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| Subject: | Re: Aux fuel tanks |
Ron what power settings do you use and what height were you flying. Just
want to compare to miine.
Chris ICY
----- Original Message -----
From: "McGann, Ron" <Ron.McGann@thalesgroup.com.au>
Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2009 10:10 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Aux fuel tanks
> <Ron.McGann@thalesgroup.com.au>
>
>
> Hi Dick,
>
> I flew from Adelaide South Australia to Sydney last weekend (~800nm).
> Refuelled at 650nm mark to ensure I had required reserves for alternates
> (weather was not favourable in Sydney), but could easily have made the
> distance and maintained fixed reserves. YMMV, but my bladder would not
> have held for the full 5 hrs flight time and the fuel stop was a relief.
>
> Just one data point, but effectively leaned this plane can fly for quite
> a while (and cover a serious distance) on standard tanks.
>
>
> Cheers,
> Ron
> VH-XRM
> Flying in Oz
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard
> Gurley
> Sent: Wednesday, 22 July 2009 9:06 AM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV10-List: Aux fuel tanks
>
> It has been a few years now that some of you have been flying. Has
> anyone
> installed or wish they have installed aux fuel tanks. I am currently
> planning the items to be installed my wings and was wondering what the
> consensus was.
>
>
> Thank you in advance.
>
>
> Dick Gurley
>
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| Subject: | Re: Aux fuel tanks |
The baggage area would seem to be the easiest retrofit. I haven't got an
aerospace engineering opinion of the wing aux tanks but it would seem that
the wing tanks extended would not affect bending moment on the spar nor CG.
A baggage area tank would probably require a battery on the firewall to be
comfortable with CG and CG movement with fuel burn.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of AirMike
Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2009 12:03 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: Aux fuel tanks
No disrespect intended, but didn't Vans issue some kind of admonition
warning people NOT to install aux tanks in the wings as the engineering had
not accounted for the extra loading????????
I am wondering why nobody has installed a tank in the baggage area. It could
easily hold 20 gallons. The floor is rated for the weight. It could feed by
gravity to the wings with the simple turn of a petcock fitting tee'd into
the supply line at the wing root. A baggage tank would be relatively safe,
could vent outside and would avoid the overloaded wing issue.
--------
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| Subject: | Re: Eyeball Vents |
I'd like eight
Sent from my iPhone
Robert E. Brunkenhoefer
Brunkenhoefer Law Firm, P.C.
520 Lawrence St.
Corpus Christi, Texas 78401
Phone: 361-888-8808
Facsimile: 361-888-6753
robert@brunklaw.com
On Jul 22, 2009, at 12:24 AM, "Robin Marks" <robin1@mrmoisture.com>
wrote:
> In that case I=99ll take 4.
>
> Thanks Don J
>
> Do Not Archive
>
>
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-
> server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Don McDonald
> Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2009 9:14 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Eyeball Vents
>
>
> Looks like I stepped on my wanger on this one.... made the trip out
> to the plane recyclery today and couldn't find anything
> worthwhile... so stopped in and talked to the owner to find out what
> was up because they seemed to always have quite a few on hand. He
> explained that this guy who was into doing custom cars continues to
> buy everyone that comes in. Oh well, sorry guys.
>
> Don
>
> --- On Tue, 7/21/09, pilotdds@aol.com <pilotdds@aol.com> wrote:
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>
> From: pilotdds@aol.com <pilotdds@aol.com>
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Eyeball Vents
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Date: Tuesday, July 21, 2009, 6:49 AM
>
> I would also like two of them if its not to much troublr,what a
> great find.-Jim
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bob Turner <bobturner@alum.rpi.edu>
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Mon, Jul 20, 2009 8:25 pm
> Subject: RV10-List: Re: Eyeball Vents
>
>
> I'd like to sign up for two. (Located in Bay area).
>
> --------
> Bob Turner
> RV-10 QB
>
>
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| Subject: | different door latch system |
These are latches like the ones they use on Camper shells for pickup trucks.
They are over center locks, but in my opinion not a strong or secure as vans
system. Also looks like at least a two hands /two operation to open.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Linn Walters
Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2009 1:26 PM
Subject: RV10-List: different door latch system
I didn't like Vans door latch system and it's associated problems .....
such as the handle hanging out in the breeze, separate lock if you can
figure out how, and that asthetically pleasing piece of square tube on the
inside ...... so I modified my doors. The attached pictures are pretty much
what I'll end up with. The mod will cost less than $200. I figure the mod
will take less time than the Vans installation, and won't require many tools
you don't already have, but since I haven't done it Van's way .....
I see no reason why the mod can't be done on a completed airplane.
If you're interested in my installation, or have questions, send me an email
off-list. I might make up a parts kit ..... but this isn't going to become
a business!
Linn Walters
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| Subject: | Re: different door latch system |
David McNeill wrote:
>
>
>
> These are latches like the ones they use on Camper shells for pickup trucks.
> They are over center locks, but in my opinion not a strong or secure as vans
> system.
I'd hate to try and open the door without releasing the latches.
> Also looks like at least a two hands /two operation to open.
>
The latches are connected together by a rod inside the door, and to the
inside handle. One finger pressing on the outside or pulling on the
inside will open the latches.
Linn
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Linn Walters
> Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2009 1:26 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV10-List: different door latch system
>
> I didn't like Vans door latch system and it's associated problems .....
> such as the handle hanging out in the breeze, separate lock if you can
> figure out how, and that asthetically pleasing piece of square tube on the
> inside ...... so I modified my doors. The attached pictures are pretty much
> what I'll end up with. The mod will cost less than $200. I figure the mod
> will take less time than the Vans installation, and won't require many tools
> you don't already have, but since I haven't done it Van's way .....
>
> I see no reason why the mod can't be done on a completed airplane.
> If you're interested in my installation, or have questions, send me an email
> off-list. I might make up a parts kit ..... but this isn't going to become
> a business!
> Linn Walters
>
>
>
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On the wing install it calls for a part #F-1004J (center section upright bar),
to be placed on the aft side of the wing spar. We couldn't find ours so we ordered
two from Van's. It is a solid piece of aluminum about 4"X1"X1" with two
holes in it for the AN3 bolts. It shows no picture on page 44-11 and I'm not
too sure what's for. We had to put in a notch to allow for clearance with one
of the aileron linkage bolts. Does anyone have any clue?
Rick
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| Subject: | Re: Aux fuel tanks |
> Time: 04:12:57 PM PST US
> From: "Richard Gurley" <rngurley@att.net>
> Subject: RV10-List: Aux fuel tanks
>
> It has been a few years now that some of you have been flying. Has
anyone
> installed or wish they have installed aux fuel tanks. I am currently
> planning the items to be installed my wings and was wondering what the
> consensus was.
>
> Thank you in advance.
>
> Dick Gurley
I added the SafeAir1 tanks to my -10 after flying about 18 months and
although it was a mess to go back in and retrofit the plane (and I
dreaded taking the cutoff wheel to make an access door in those
beautiful painted wingtips) it was easily the best modification I have
made to the -10 and I wish I had just built it that way to begin with.
Having that extra 15 gals (read 1 hour of IFR reserve) helps a lot on my
most common route, which is between Washington DC and Nashville TN --
about 550 nm southwest bound against prevailing winds. It was often
dicey to plan a nonstop IFR flight that direction if the destination
weather was not good, and now there is always lots of fuel for loitering
and alternates.
I also use the extra fuel to tanker fuel to locations where it is
expensive to buy even if not needed for range. In those cases, I
usually pump the tips into the mains just before landing, making it a
smaller fuel bill when telling the line guy to top off the mains for the
return.
Bottom line: great addition to the flexibility of configuration, since
the tanks only weigh 15 lbs empty and sit right on the CG line so they
don't change the basic capability and loading configuration of the
plane, while adding range, safety and cost avoidance options.
But do put them in during the original build if you can, rather than
retrofitting. Installation not that much fun later on.
-Dan Masys
RV-7A sold
RV-10 flying
RV-12 in progress... :)
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| Subject: | Crossing the border blues |
I took the AOPA on-line course for eAPIS this morning then logged onto the
DHS's eAPIS web site to apply for an account. Got the confirmation back in 5
minutes. Apparently the saying 'Your past catches up with you' isn't always
true.
Albert Gardner
Yuma, AZ
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| Subject: | Re: Aux fuel tanks |
Another no cost/low cost alternative is running LOP. I have had multiple
trips of 550-600 NM over the last two months. These include FFZ-CNW,
CNW-FFZ, FFZ-MEV, RTS-FFZ each trip left 20-25 gallons in the tanks. Flying
at 10-13000 at 50-55 power, I burned 8.5-9.0 gph. This is about 6:40 to dry
tanks. KTAS was approximately 150. With 5 hours enroute and possible 750nm,
this allows 1:40 at the destination. These were all IFR plans in mostly VMC.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Masys, Daniel R
Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2009 10:30 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: Aux fuel tanks
--> <dan.masys@Vanderbilt.Edu>
> Time: 04:12:57 PM PST US
> From: "Richard Gurley" <rngurley@att.net>
> Subject: RV10-List: Aux fuel tanks
>
> It has been a few years now that some of you have been flying. Has
anyone
> installed or wish they have installed aux fuel tanks. I am currently
> planning the items to be installed my wings and was wondering what the
> consensus was.
>
> Thank you in advance.
>
> Dick Gurley
I added the SafeAir1 tanks to my -10 after flying about 18 months and
although it was a mess to go back in and retrofit the plane (and I dreaded
taking the cutoff wheel to make an access door in those beautiful painted
wingtips) it was easily the best modification I have made to the -10 and I
wish I had just built it that way to begin with.
Having that extra 15 gals (read 1 hour of IFR reserve) helps a lot on my
most common route, which is between Washington DC and Nashville TN -- about
550 nm southwest bound against prevailing winds. It was often dicey to plan
a nonstop IFR flight that direction if the destination weather was not good,
and now there is always lots of fuel for loitering and alternates.
I also use the extra fuel to tanker fuel to locations where it is expensive
to buy even if not needed for range. In those cases, I usually pump the
tips into the mains just before landing, making it a smaller fuel bill when
telling the line guy to top off the mains for the return.
Bottom line: great addition to the flexibility of configuration, since the
tanks only weigh 15 lbs empty and sit right on the CG line so they don't
change the basic capability and loading configuration of the plane, while
adding range, safety and cost avoidance options.
But do put them in during the original build if you can, rather than
retrofitting. Installation not that much fun later on.
-Dan Masys
RV-7A sold
RV-10 flying
RV-12 in progress... :)
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| Subject: | Re: wing install |
Pg 25-5 - it rivets to the spar center section. IIRC, it is a space
for 2 1/4" bolts that bolt the center section spar webs to the wing
spar web.
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse@saintaviation.com
Cell: 352-427-0285
Fax: 815-377-3694
On Jul 22, 2009, at 11:47 AM, velo wrote:
> <rickbarnes@highlanddental.com>
>
> On the wing install it calls for a part #F-1004J (center section
> upright bar), to be placed on the aft side of the wing spar. We
> couldn't find ours so we ordered two from Van's. It is a solid
> piece of aluminum about 4"X1"X1" with two holes in it for the AN3
> bolts. It shows no picture on page 44-11 and I'm not too sure
> what's for. We had to put in a notch to allow for clearance with
> one of the aileron linkage bolts. Does anyone have any clue?
>
> Rick
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=254334#254334
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: wing install |
On page 44-11 , they speak of the hardware, not the F-1004J piece of alum. The
F-1004J would have been installed as Jess says way back on page 25-5. If you have
a quick build this should have been installed for you, I would think. We have
a slow build , and I recall having difficulty with the real long rivets.
Ron
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| Subject: | Re: Aux fuel tanks |
Dick we have just come back from a 42 hour trip in outback Australia.
Most of the time we were fine with fuel but as another has pointed out
fuel in some areas can be extremely expensive. An extra hour range would
be great here. The option of filling further on would be great.
I have spoken to an engineer at Vans regarding making the the outer bay
of wing also fuel and his response was like other RV's it actually
strengthens the wing however other areas have to be considered like Max
weight. He would not put anything on paper.
An extra hour would be good but I don't know about an extra 60 gallons
unless you few at gross weight or under but you know what people would
do!
With two 10's with gear leg collapses We do not want to fly over gross.
So Yes I would add an extra 1 hour of fuel if I were to build again for
out back flying.
Chris
----- Original Message -----
From: Richard Gurley
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2009 9:06 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Aux fuel tanks
It has been a few years now that some of you have been flying. Has
anyone installed or wish they have installed aux fuel tanks. I am
currently planning the items to be installed my wings and was wondering
what the consensus was.
Thank you in advance.
Dick Gurley
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| Subject: | Re: wing install |
Thanks Ron and Jesse. I appreciate the info.
Rick
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ron B.
Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2009 2:44 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: wing install
On page 44-11 , they speak of the hardware, not the F-1004J piece of alum.
The F-1004J would have been installed as Jess says way back on page 25-5. If
you have a quick build this should have been installed for you, I would
think. We have a slow build , and I recall having difficulty with the real
long rivets.
Ron
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If you must have extra fuel and you are SB wings, then the obvious solution
is to enlarge the main tanks by moving the outboard bulkhead out a bay or
two. The CG won't shift and the wing will place less bending moment on the
spar and center carry through. Even certified aircraft can be successfully
flown and landed 10% over gross given the FAAs own rules for Alaska
operations. My understanding is that Alaska operations will almost always
have lower than standard temperatures and therefore more power available to
lift the load. The 10 is not power limited. My 10 lifted off KPRC at 5000
MSL @ 80F in 1500 ft ground roll at weight of 2750. Distance was calculated
by the tower staff.
_____
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chris and Susie
Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2009 2:29 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Aux fuel tanks
Dick we have just come back from a 42 hour trip in outback Australia. Most
of the time we were fine with fuel but as another has pointed out fuel in
some areas can be extremely expensive. An extra hour range would be great
here. The option of filling further on would be great.
I have spoken to an engineer at Vans regarding making the the outer bay of
wing also fuel and his response was like other RV's it actually strengthens
the wing however other areas have to be considered like Max weight. He would
not put anything on paper.
An extra hour would be good but I don't know about an extra 60 gallons
unless you few at gross weight or under but you know what people would do!
With two 10's with gear leg collapses We do not want to fly over gross.
So Yes I would add an extra 1 hour of fuel if I were to build again for out
back flying.
Chris
----- Original Message -----
From: Richard Gurley <mailto:rngurley@att.net>
Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2009 9:06 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Aux fuel tanks
It has been a few years now that some of you have been flying. Has anyone
installed or wish they have installed aux fuel tanks. I am currently
planning the items to be installed my wings and was wondering what the
consensus was.
Thank you in advance.
Dick Gurley
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Hi Chris,
YPPF-YLOX-YROB-YBRN-YHAY-YTEM-YWBN at 5500'.
Mostly at 2400 22.9" - gave ~152KTAS if I recall. 50F LOP => 45lph
Did not concentrate too much on speeds during the flight, more
interested in finding a range/speed sweet spot for the altitude - still
hunting, but happy with what I got.
Cheers,
Ron
VH-XRM, flying in Oz
Do not archive
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chris and
Susie
Sent: Wednesday, 22 July 2009 9:47 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Aux fuel tanks
Ron what power settings do you use and what height were you flying. Just
want to compare to miine.
Chris ICY
----- Original Message -----
From: "McGann, Ron" <Ron.McGann@thalesgroup.com.au>
Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2009 10:10 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Aux fuel tanks
> <Ron.McGann@thalesgroup.com.au>
>
>
> Hi Dick,
>
> I flew from Adelaide South Australia to Sydney last weekend (~800nm).
> Refuelled at 650nm mark to ensure I had required reserves for
alternates
> (weather was not favourable in Sydney), but could easily have made the
> distance and maintained fixed reserves. YMMV, but my bladder would
not
> have held for the full 5 hrs flight time and the fuel stop was a
relief.
>
> Just one data point, but effectively leaned this plane can fly for
quite
> a while (and cover a serious distance) on standard tanks.
>
>
> Cheers,
> Ron
> VH-XRM
> Flying in Oz
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard
> Gurley
> Sent: Wednesday, 22 July 2009 9:06 AM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV10-List: Aux fuel tanks
>
> It has been a few years now that some of you have been flying. Has
> anyone
> installed or wish they have installed aux fuel tanks. I am currently
> planning the items to be installed my wings and was wondering what the
> consensus was.
>
>
> Thank you in advance.
>
>
> Dick Gurley
>
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Thanks Ron I emailed you direct and email just bounces
Chris
----- Original Message -----
From: "McGann, Ron" <Ron.McGann@thalesgroup.com.au>
Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2009 8:45 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Aux fuel tanks
> <Ron.McGann@thalesgroup.com.au>
>
> Hi Chris,
>
> YPPF-YLOX-YROB-YBRN-YHAY-YTEM-YWBN at 5500'.
>
> Mostly at 2400 22.9" - gave ~152KTAS if I recall. 50F LOP => 45lph
>
> Did not concentrate too much on speeds during the flight, more
> interested in finding a range/speed sweet spot for the altitude - still
> hunting, but happy with what I got.
>
> Cheers,
> Ron
> VH-XRM, flying in Oz
>
> Do not archive
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chris and
> Susie
> Sent: Wednesday, 22 July 2009 9:47 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Aux fuel tanks
>
>
> Ron what power settings do you use and what height were you flying. Just
>
> want to compare to miine.
>
> Chris ICY
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "McGann, Ron" <Ron.McGann@thalesgroup.com.au>
> To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2009 10:10 AM
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Aux fuel tanks
>
>
>> <Ron.McGann@thalesgroup.com.au>
>>
>>
>> Hi Dick,
>>
>> I flew from Adelaide South Australia to Sydney last weekend (~800nm).
>> Refuelled at 650nm mark to ensure I had required reserves for
> alternates
>> (weather was not favourable in Sydney), but could easily have made the
>> distance and maintained fixed reserves. YMMV, but my bladder would
> not
>> have held for the full 5 hrs flight time and the fuel stop was a
> relief.
>>
>> Just one data point, but effectively leaned this plane can fly for
> quite
>> a while (and cover a serious distance) on standard tanks.
>>
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Ron
>> VH-XRM
>> Flying in Oz
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard
>> Gurley
>> Sent: Wednesday, 22 July 2009 9:06 AM
>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: RV10-List: Aux fuel tanks
>>
>> It has been a few years now that some of you have been flying. Has
>> anyone
>> installed or wish they have installed aux fuel tanks. I am currently
>> planning the items to be installed my wings and was wondering what the
>> consensus was.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thank you in advance.
>>
>>
>>
>> Dick Gurley
>>
>>
>>
>>
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The Alaskan gross wt rule is NOT available to anyone, anytime. It
requires FSDO approval, generally for commercial freight, fuel and
fire fighting operations. It also has consequences. A Beech 1900, IIRC
crashed in Homer, a little over gross, with a load of ice picked up on
approach.
It is one thing to use for tankering fuel, like trans-oceanic flight
where there is no intent to land overgross, and quite another to both
takeoff and land overgross. One also does not know how much an
acceptable flight envelope exists above the published forward and aft
limits, how much narrower the range might be. Yes, you can experiment
with your experimental, declare a higher gross than Van's recommends
and play test pilot. Unfortunately, one -10 has already been lost,
along with the builder, by making hasty changes to what was already a
non-standard variant. We really need to minimize risks, lest our
favorite aircraft become uninsurable.
On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 3:29 PM, David McNeill<dlm46007@cox.net> wrote:
> If you must have extra fuel and you are SB wings, then the obvious solution
> is to enlargethe main tanks by moving the outboard bulkhead out a bay or
> two. The CG won't shift and the wing will place less bending moment on the
> spar and center carry through. Even certified aircraft can be successfully
> flown and landed 10% over gross given the FAAs own rules for Alaska
> operations. My understanding is that Alaska operations will almost always
> have lower than standard temperatures and therefore more power available to
> lift the load. The 10 is not power limited. My 10 lifted off KPRC at 5000
> MSL @ 80F in 1500 ft ground roll at weight of 2750. Distance was calculated
> by the tower staff.
> ________________________________
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chris and Susie
> Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2009 2:29 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Aux fuel tanks
>
> Dick we have just come back from a 42 hour trip in outback Australia. Most
> of the time we were fine with fuel but as another has pointed out fuel in
> some areas can be extremely expensive. An extra hour range would be great
> here. The option of filling further on would be great.
> I have spoken to an engineer at Vans regarding making the the outer bay of
> wing also fuel and his response was like other RV's it actually strengthens
> the wing however other areas have to be considered like Max weight. He would
> not put anything on paper.
> An extra hour would be good but I don't know about an extra 60 gallons
> unless you few at gross weight or under but you know what people would do!
> With two 10's with gear leg collapses We do not want to fly over gross.
> So Yes I would add an extra 1 hour of fuel if I were to build again for out
> back flying.
>
> Chris
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Richard Gurley
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2009 9:06 AM
> Subject: RV10-List: Aux fuel tanks
>
> It has been a few years now that some of you have been flying. Has anyone
> installed or wish they have installed aux fuel tanks. I am currently
> planning the items to be installed my wings and was wondering what the
> consensus was.
>
>
> Thank you in advance.
>
>
> Dick Gurley
>
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148 kts true 126 kts indicated as
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On Jul 22, 2009, at 5:58 PM, "Chris and Susie" <vhicy@bigpond.com>
wrote:
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> Thanks Ron I emailed you direct and email just bounces
>
> Chris
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "McGann, Ron" <Ron.McGann@thalesgroup.com.au
> >
> To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2009 8:45 AM
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Aux fuel tanks
>
>
>> >
>>
>> Hi Chris,
>>
>> YPPF-YLOX-YROB-YBRN-YHAY-YTEM-YWBN at 5500'.
>>
>> Mostly at 2400 22.9" - gave ~152KTAS if I recall. 50F LOP => 45lph
>>
>> Did not concentrate too much on speeds during the flight, more
>> interested in finding a range/speed sweet spot for the altitude -
>> still
>> hunting, but happy with what I got.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Ron
>> VH-XRM, flying in Oz
>>
>> Do not archive
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chris and
>> Susie
>> Sent: Wednesday, 22 July 2009 9:47 PM
>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Aux fuel tanks
>>
>> <vhicy@bigpond.com>
>>
>> Ron what power settings do you use and what height were you flying.
>> Just
>>
>> want to compare to miine.
>>
>> Chris ICY
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "McGann, Ron" <Ron.McGann@thalesgroup.com.au
>> >
>> To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
>> Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2009 10:10 AM
>> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Aux fuel tanks
>>
>>
>>> <Ron.McGann@thalesgroup.com.au>
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi Dick,
>>>
>>> I flew from Adelaide South Australia to Sydney last weekend
>>> (~800nm).
>>> Refuelled at 650nm mark to ensure I had required reserves for
>> alternates
>>> (weather was not favourable in Sydney), but could easily have made
>>> the
>>> distance and maintained fixed reserves. YMMV, but my bladder would
>> not
>>> have held for the full 5 hrs flight time and the fuel stop was a
>> relief.
>>>
>>> Just one data point, but effectively leaned this plane can fly for
>> quite
>>> a while (and cover a serious distance) on standard tanks.
>>>
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Ron
>>> VH-XRM
>>> Flying in Oz
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>>> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard
>>> Gurley
>>> Sent: Wednesday, 22 July 2009 9:06 AM
>>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>>> Subject: RV10-List: Aux fuel tanks
>>>
>>> It has been a few years now that some of you have been flying. Has
>>> anyone
>>> installed or wish they have installed aux fuel tanks. I am
>>> currently
>>> planning the items to be installed my wings and was wondering what
>>> the
>>> consensus was.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thank you in advance.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Dick Gurley
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Kcvb kelp kffz 10500' 21" 2350 20 lop. 10 gph 750 nm
Kffz kfst kcvb. 9500'. 21" 2350. 20 lop. 10 gph. 1350 egt 370 cht.
200.deg. Oil temp. Io540 1lite speed 1 mag. Hope that helps. Robert
Brunkenhoefer rv10 145 hrs
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> Thanks Ron I emailed you direct and email just bounces
>
> Chris
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "McGann, Ron" <Ron.McGann@thalesgroup.com.au
> >
> To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2009 8:45 AM
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Aux fuel tanks
>
>
>> >
>>
>> Hi Chris,
>>
>> YPPF-YLOX-YROB-YBRN-YHAY-YTEM-YWBN at 5500'.
>>
>> Mostly at 2400 22.9" - gave ~152KTAS if I recall. 50F LOP => 45lph
>>
>> Did not concentrate too much on speeds during the flight, more
>> interested in finding a range/speed sweet spot for the altitude -
>> still
>> hunting, but happy with what I got.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Ron
>> VH-XRM, flying in Oz
>>
>> Do not archive
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chris and
>> Susie
>> Sent: Wednesday, 22 July 2009 9:47 PM
>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Aux fuel tanks
>>
>> <vhicy@bigpond.com>
>>
>> Ron what power settings do you use and what height were you flying.
>> Just
>>
>> want to compare to miine.
>>
>> Chris ICY
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "McGann, Ron" <Ron.McGann@thalesgroup.com.au
>> >
>> To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
>> Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2009 10:10 AM
>> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Aux fuel tanks
>>
>>
>>> <Ron.McGann@thalesgroup.com.au>
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi Dick,
>>>
>>> I flew from Adelaide South Australia to Sydney last weekend
>>> (~800nm).
>>> Refuelled at 650nm mark to ensure I had required reserves for
>> alternates
>>> (weather was not favourable in Sydney), but could easily have made
>>> the
>>> distance and maintained fixed reserves. YMMV, but my bladder would
>> not
>>> have held for the full 5 hrs flight time and the fuel stop was a
>> relief.
>>>
>>> Just one data point, but effectively leaned this plane can fly for
>> quite
>>> a while (and cover a serious distance) on standard tanks.
>>>
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Ron
>>> VH-XRM
>>> Flying in Oz
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>>> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard
>>> Gurley
>>> Sent: Wednesday, 22 July 2009 9:06 AM
>>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>>> Subject: RV10-List: Aux fuel tanks
>>>
>>> It has been a few years now that some of you have been flying. Has
>>> anyone
>>> installed or wish they have installed aux fuel tanks. I am
>>> currently
>>> planning the items to be installed my wings and was wondering what
>>> the
>>> consensus was.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thank you in advance.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Dick Gurley
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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I'm not sure how the aux tanks can be on the CG line as that changes with airplane
loading, they could be on the CG line for only one configuration. If they
are within the forward and aft limits of CG, then they will have less of an effect
on CG as far as knocking it out of range. Gross weight of an airplane is
calculated to keep the stall speed below a certain speed, to not stress the
landing gear during landing, for the g force loading limits, and take-off landing
speeds. Most planes can fly WAY over gross as long as CG is within range
and as long as you realize stall speeds will be increased, acceptable g loading
decreased, take-off and landing distances will be increased, speeds will decrease,
and you may damage the landing gear, etc. For me I won't need more than
60 gallons for 95% of my flights. For the other 5% I am going to fabricate
a removable 20 gallon tank that I can easily secure in the space of one of my
rear seats. I plan on a 60/40 rear seat with the 60 side removable and the tank
will secure on the seat attachment points. The 120 lbs of fuel will be where
one small passenger would be so no CG concerns. Should be easily, temporarily
plumbed into the fuel system, it may not even need a aux fuel pump.
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I added a removable 20 gal aux tank in the baggage bay.I tested it but have not
found the extra fuel necesary.
-----Original Message-----
From: Masys, Daniel R <dan.masys@Vanderbilt.Edu>
Sent: Wed, Jul 22, 2009 10:29 am
Subject: RV10-List: Re: Aux fuel tanks
> Time: 04:12:57 PM PST US
> From: "Richard Gurley" <rngurley@att.net>
> Subject: RV10-List: Aux fuel tanks
>
> It has been a few years now that some of you have been flying. Has
anyone
> installed or wish they have installed aux fuel tanks. I am currently
> planning the items to be installed my wings and was wondering what the
> consensus was.
>
> Thank you in advance.
>
> Dick Gurley
I added the SafeAir1 tanks to my -10 after flying about 18 months and
although it was a mess to go back in and retrofit the plane (and I
dreaded taking the cutoff wheel to make an access door in those
beautiful painted wingtips) it was easily the best modification I have
made to the -10 and I wish I had just built it that way to begin with.
Having that extra 15 gals (read 1 hour of IFR reserve) helps a lot on my
most common route, which is between Washington DC and Nashville TN --
about 550 nm southwest bound against prevailing winds. It was often
dicey to plan a nonstop IFR flight that direction if the destination
weather was not good, and now there is always lots of fuel for loitering
and alternates.
I also use the extra fuel to tanker fuel to locations where it is
expensive to buy even if not needed for range. In those cases, I
usually pump the tips into the mains just before landing, making it a
smaller fuel bill when telling the line guy to top off the mains for the
return.
Bottom line: great addition to the flexibility of configuration, since
the tanks only weigh 15 lbs empty and sit right on the CG line so they
don't change the basic capability and loading configuration of the
plane, while adding range, safety and cost avoidance options.
But do put them in during the original build if you can, rather than
retrofitting. Installation not that much fun later on.
-Dan Masys
RV-7A sold
RV-10 flying
RV-12 in progress... :)
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I was not suggesting that the 10 routinely be operated above the Van's
suggested gross of 2700. It is certainly possible to operate the aircraft
with considerable additional fuel on board, subject to CG, weight and
structural considerations. I have set the gross for my 10 at 2800 pounds;
primarily because I never want , in case of incident, to argue with FAA or
insurance company, about being over gross. Having on several occasions
landed a Cessna in IMC carrying a load of ice, I know it is possible to
encounter conditions with payloads which are not workable. My point is that
with proper planning and good judgment there are many options in the safe
use of these aircraft. If one plans ahead, the versatility can be
dramatically improved without significant penalty
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kelly McMullen
Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2009 4:11 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Aux fuel tanks
The Alaskan gross wt rule is NOT available to anyone, anytime. It requires
FSDO approval, generally for commercial freight, fuel and fire fighting
operations. It also has consequences. A Beech 1900, IIRC crashed in Homer, a
little over gross, with a load of ice picked up on approach.
It is one thing to use for tankering fuel, like trans-oceanic flight where
there is no intent to land overgross, and quite another to both takeoff and
land overgross. One also does not know how much an acceptable flight
envelope exists above the published forward and aft limits, how much
narrower the range might be. Yes, you can experiment with your experimental,
declare a higher gross than Van's recommends and play test pilot.
Unfortunately, one -10 has already been lost, along with the builder, by
making hasty changes to what was already a non-standard variant. We really
need to minimize risks, lest our favorite aircraft become uninsurable.
On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 3:29 PM, David McNeill<dlm46007@cox.net> wrote:
> If you must have extra fuel and you are SB wings, then the obvious
> solution is to enlargethe main tanks by moving the outboard bulkhead
> out a bay or two. The CG won't shift and the wing will place less
> bending moment on the spar and center carry through. Even certified
> aircraft can be successfully flown and landed 10% over gross given the
> FAAs own rules for Alaska operations. My understanding is that Alaska
> operations will almost always have lower than standard temperatures
> and therefore more power available to lift the load. The 10 is not
> power limited. My 10 lifted off KPRC at 5000 MSL @ 80F in 1500 ft
> ground roll at weight of 2750. Distance was calculated by the tower staff.
> ________________________________
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chris and
> Susie
> Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2009 2:29 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Aux fuel tanks
>
> Dick we have just come back from a 42 hour trip in outback Australia.
> Most of the time we were fine with fuel but as another has pointed out
> fuel in some areas can be extremely expensive. An extra hour range
> would be great here. The option of filling further on would be great.
> I have spoken to an engineer at Vans regarding making the the outer
> bay of wing also fuel and his response was like other RV's it actually
> strengthens the wing however other areas have to be considered like
> Max weight. He would not put anything on paper.
> An extra hour would be good but I don't know about an extra 60 gallons
> unless you few at gross weight or under but you know what people would do!
> With two 10's with gear leg collapses We do not want to fly over gross.
> So Yes I would add an extra 1 hour of fuel if I were to build again
> for out back flying.
>
> Chris
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Richard Gurley
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2009 9:06 AM
> Subject: RV10-List: Aux fuel tanks
>
> It has been a few years now that some of you have been flying. Has
> anyone installed or wish they have installed aux fuel tanks. I am
> currently planning the items to be installed my wings and was
> wondering what the consensus was.
>
>
> Thank you in advance.
>
>
> Dick Gurley
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