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1. 05:51 AM - Re: Aux fuel tanks (Wayne Edgerton)
2. 07:11 AM - OGD or SLC (pilotdds@aol.com)
3. 07:35 AM - Re: OGD or SLC (Seano)
4. 07:38 AM - Re: OGD or SLC (Strasnuts)
5. 08:03 AM - Re: OGD or SLC (Richard Barnes)
6. 08:33 AM - plan confusion (Strasnuts)
7. 09:14 AM - Re: plan confusion (Jesse Saint)
8. 12:40 PM - OSH (David McNeill)
9. 01:10 PM - Re: Aux fuel tanks (jayb)
10. 01:23 PM - Re: OGD or SLC (Kelly McMullen)
11. 01:47 PM - Re: OSH (bcondrey)
12. 02:21 PM - Re: OSH (pilotdds@aol.com)
13. 02:23 PM - Re: OGD or SLC (Albert Gardner)
14. 02:24 PM - Aux fuel tanks (Neil & Sarah Colliver)
15. 02:33 PM - Re: plan confusion (Seano)
16. 02:33 PM - Re: Re: Aux fuel tanks (Richard Gurley)
17. 02:44 PM - Re: OSH (Steve Mills)
18. 03:04 PM - Re: plan confusion (Strasnuts)
19. 03:12 PM - Re: OSH (David McNeill)
20. 03:12 PM - Re: Re: Aux fuel tanks (Kelly McMullen)
21. 03:12 PM - Re: OSH (David McNeill)
22. 03:17 PM - Re: Re: plan confusion (Kelly McMullen)
23. 03:38 PM - Re: Re: Aux fuel tanks (Don McDonald)
24. 04:14 PM - Re: Re: plan confusion (Vernon Smith)
25. 04:15 PM - Re: OSH (pilotdds@aol.com)
26. 04:42 PM - Re: OGD or SLC (Rene Felker)
27. 04:42 PM - Re: OSH (Dave Lammers)
28. 04:52 PM - Re: Re: Aux fuel tanks (David McNeill)
29. 06:15 PM - Re: Re: Aux fuel tanks (David Maib)
30. 08:51 PM - Re: Re: Aux fuel tanks (Jesse Saint)
31. 09:09 PM - Re: Re: Aux fuel tanks (David McNeill)
32. 10:45 PM - Aux Fuel Tanks (Dave Fritzsche (Building))
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| Subject: | Re: Aux fuel tanks |
I wasn't aware that there were two 10's with gear collapse. I know about
the recent on, which sounds like he stalled it high and pan caked in
hard. What happened on the other one?
Wayne Edgerton N602WT
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Time: 02:39:41 PM PST US
From: "Chris and Susie" <vhicy@bigpond.com>
Subject: Re: Aux fuel tanks
Dick we have just come back from a 42 hour trip in outback
Australia.
Most of the time we were fine with fuel but as another has pointed
out
fuel in some areas can be extremely expensive. An extra hour range
would
be great here. The option of filling further on would be great.
I have spoken to an engineer at Vans regarding making the the
outer bay
of wing also fuel and his response was like other RV's it actually
strengthens the wing however other areas have to be considered
like Max
weight. He would not put anything on paper.
An extra hour would be good but I don't know about an extra 60
gallons
unless you few at gross weight or under but you know what people
would
do!
With two 10's with gear leg collapses We do not want to fly over
gross.
So Yes I would add an extra 1 hour of fuel if I were to build again
for
out back flying.
Chris
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Any suggestions for an overnight,which is preferable for a 10 enroute to osh-OGD
or SLC ?
-----Original Message-----
From: RV Builder (Michael Sausen) <rvbuilder@sausen.net>
Sent: Tue, Jul 21, 2009 11:34 am
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: OSH RV-10 HQ Open For Business!
<rvbuilder@sausen.net>
This is the coolest I remember at this time of year in recent history. We
actually had a high in the 60's last weekend and they are forecasting it to drop
back into the 70's again after today with lows in the 50's. Haven't had rain in
around 3 weeks until the last couple days so the ground is like concrete. Of
course the weather gods have noticed that Airventure is starting up so all bets
are off for the next 12 days. They are forecasting over 2 inches of rain
tonight about 60 miles NW of OSH and around .5" to 1" for around here. I've
been sitting in my workshop watching it get steadily darker here.
Michael
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]
On Behalf Of Robert Brunkenhoefer
Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2009 11:50 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: OSH RV-10 HQ Open For Business!
whats the weather like? robert
On Jul 20, 2009, at 9:38 PM, bcondrey wrote:
> >
>
> For those wondering about attendance, from what we can see in Camp
> Scholler it looks like there are more people here than at this time
> last year.
>
> Weather conditions have been very dry here - grass is long and a
> little crunchy. Fortunately, Michael Sausen has again dropped off a
> lawn mower for use.
>
> WiFi appears to be working great for me so far. Others have
> reported issues so we'll just have to see.
>
> Bob
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=254043#254043
>
>
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Ogden is nice and less busy. There is a nice FBO on the south side
called Kemp Jet Services. The manager's name is Russ. They also have
hangar space and a nice deli/restaurant inside. Ogden city is not as
nice as SLC in my opinion. thirty to forty minute drive to downtown
SLC.
When are you coming out?
----- Original Message -----
From: pilotdds@aol.com
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2009 8:07 AM
Subject: RV10-List: OGD or SLC
Any suggestions for an overnight,which is preferable for a 10 enroute
to osh-OGD or SLC ?
-----Original Message-----
From: RV Builder (Michael Sausen) <rvbuilder@sausen.net>
To: rv10-list@matronics.com <rv10-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Tue, Jul 21, 2009 11:34 am
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: OSH RV-10 HQ Open For Business!
<rvbuilder@sausen.net>
This is the coolest I remember at this time of year in recent history.
We
actually had a high in the 60's last weekend and they are forecasting it
to drop
back into the 70's again after today with lows in the 50's. Haven't had
rain in
around 3 weeks until the last couple days so the ground is like
concrete. Of
course the weather gods have noticed that Airventure is starting up so
all bets
are off for the next 12 days. They are forecasting over 2 inches of
rain
tonight about 60 miles NW of OSH and around .5" to 1" for around here.
I've
been sitting in my workshop watching it get steadily darker here.
Michael
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]
On Behalf Of Robert Brunkenhoefer
Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2009 11:50 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: OSH RV-10 HQ Open For Business!
<rebrunk42@gmail.com>
whats the weather like? robert
On Jul 20, 2009, at 9:38 PM, bcondrey wrote:
<bob.condrey@baesystems.com
> >
>
> For those wondering about attendance, from what we can see in Camp
> Scholler it looks like there are more people here than at this time
> last year.
>
> Weather conditions have been very dry here - grass is long and a
> little crunchy. Fortunately, Michael Sausen has again dropped off a
> lawn mower for use.
>
> WiFi appears to be working great for me so far. Others have
> reported issues so we'll just have to see.
>
> Bob
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=254043#254043
>
>
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If you fly into SLC I will drag you out to my shop to buck rivits.
--------
Cust. #40936
A&P, ATP
typed CE-525(s), CE-500
RV-10 SB Fuselage
N801VR reserved
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Michael,
When are you coming through the area? We are at Bountiful Skypark (KBTF).
It's between Ogden and SLC. Easy in and out. We might have a place for you
to stay at the airport. Let us know.
Rick
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of pilotdds@aol.com
Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2009 8:08 AM
Subject: RV10-List: OGD or SLC
Any suggestions for an overnight,which is preferable for a 10 enroute to
osh-OGD or SLC ?
-----Original Message-----
From: RV Builder (Michael Sausen) <rvbuilder@sausen.net>
Sent: Tue, Jul 21, 2009 11:34 am
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: OSH RV-10 HQ Open For Business!
<rvbuilder@sausen.net>
This is the coolest I remember at this time of year in recent history. We
actually had a high in the 60's last weekend and they are forecasting it to
drop
back into the 70's again after today with lows in the 50's. Haven't had
rain in
around 3 weeks until the last couple days so the ground is like concrete.
Of
course the weather gods have noticed that Airventure is starting up so all
bets
are off for the next 12 days. They are forecasting over 2 inches of rain
tonight about 60 miles NW of OSH and around .5" to 1" for around here. I've
been sitting in my workshop watching it get steadily darker here.
Michael
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
<mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com?> ]
On Behalf Of Robert Brunkenhoefer
Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2009 11:50 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: OSH RV-10 HQ Open For Business!
whats the weather like? robert
On Jul 20, 2009, at 9:38 PM, bcondrey wrote:
> >
>
> For those wondering about attendance, from what we can see in Camp
> Scholler it looks like there are more people here than at this time
> last year.
>
> Weather conditions have been very dry here - grass is long and a
> little crunchy. Fortunately, Michael Sausen has again dropped off a
> lawn mower for use.
>
> WiFi appears to be working great for me so far. Others have
> reported issues so we'll just have to see.
>
> Bob
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=254043#254043
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Section 28-2 step 2.
What are they talking about?????
The nutplates are already installed on the fwd fuselage ribs. The angles have
nutplates installed in the next few steps.
The plans tell me to Machine Cntrsnk the inside of the fwd fuse ribs for a 426ad3
rivet. There are no holes for this??? The angle attaches using 30 size holes.
--------
Cust. #40936
A&P, ATP
typed CE-525(s), CE-500
RV-10 SB Fuselage
N801VR reserved
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=254487#254487
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| Subject: | Re: plan confusion |
I'll take a stab by just looking at the plans. It sounds like the
nutplates are supposed to be riveted to the angle with the rivets
going through the rib as well. The drawing shows rivet holes for the
nutplates in the angle as well as the rib. I think you are supposed
to countersink the rib with the angle clecoed and then when you rivet
the nutplates you do it with the angle clecoed to the rib.
Sorry if that doesn't help, but since nobody else had replied yet, I
thought I'd try to help.
do not archive
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse@saintaviation.com
Cell: 352-427-0285
Fax: 815-377-3694
On Jul 23, 2009, at 10:32 AM, Strasnuts wrote:
>
> Section 28-2 step 2.
>
> What are they talking about?????
>
> The nutplates are already installed on the fwd fuselage ribs. The
> angles have nutplates installed in the next few steps.
>
> The plans tell me to Machine Cntrsnk the inside of the fwd fuse ribs
> for a 426ad3 rivet. There are no holes for this??? The angle
> attaches using 30 size holes.
>
> --------
> Cust. #40936
> A&P, ATP
> typed CE-525(s), CE-500
> RV-10 SB Fuselage
> N801VR reserved
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=254487#254487
>
>
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The wife and kids suggest that they would like to come to OSH (after I
though that this year, I would not attend). Anybody in RV10 headquarters not
using all their nights if they consider camping. I seem to remember somebody
also had rooms in a house. Also someone suggested a good place for motor
home rentals. My dates there are flexible, any 2 or 3 days.
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| Subject: | Re: Aux fuel tanks |
Last year at OSH there was at least one -10 with outboard aux tanks. It made me
ponder... The danger isn't not knowing for sure what you're doing. The real peril
is not knowing what you don't know.
If one hasn't done a proper engineering load analysis then making substantial airframe
changes puts the capital "E" in Experimental... Not an aeronautical or
mechanical engineer? Then you could end up as the next NTSB poster child slash
Internet whipping boy.
Please don't add to the body count or to higher insurance premiums for the rest
of us.
My 2 cents worth...
Jay
Do not archive
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BTF would be my choice if lodging is acceptable, and you don't mind
making your approach over refinery. Ogden is nice.
On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 7:59 AM, Richard
Barnes<rickbarnes@highlanddental.com> wrote:
> Michael,
>
>
> When are you coming through the area? We are at Bountiful Skypark (KBTF).
> Its between Ogden and SLC. Easy in and out. We might have a place for
> you to stay at the airport. Let us know.
>
>
> Rick
>
>
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of pilotdds@aol.com
> Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2009 8:08 AM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV10-List: OGD or SLC
>
>
> Any suggestions for an overnight,which is preferable for a 10 enroute to
> osh-OGD or SLC ?
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: RV Builder (Michael Sausen) <rvbuilder@sausen.net>
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com <rv10-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Tue, Jul 21, 2009 11:34 am
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: OSH RV-10 HQ Open For Business!
>
>
> <rvbuilder@sausen.net>
>
>
> This is the coolest I remember at this time of year in recent history. We
>
> actually had a high in the 60's last weekend and they are forecasting it to
> drop
>
> back into the 70's again after today with lows in the 50's. Haven't had
> rain in
>
> around 3 weeks until the last couple days so the ground is like concrete.
> Of
>
> course the weather gods have noticed that Airventure is starting up so all
> bets
>
> are off for the next 12 days. They are forecasting over 2 inches of rain
>
> tonight about 60 miles NW of OSH and around .5" to 1" for around here. I've
>
> been sitting in my workshop watching it get steadily darker here.
>
>
> Michael
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]
>
> On Behalf Of Robert Brunkenhoefer
>
> Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2009 11:50 AM
>
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: OSH RV-10 HQ Open For Business!
>
>
>
>
> whats the weather like? robert
>
> On Jul 20, 2009, at 9:38 PM, bcondrey wrote:
>
>
>
>> >
>
>>
>
>> For those wondering about attendance, from what we can see in Camp
>
>> Scholler it looks like there are more people here than at this time
>
>> last year.
>
>>
>
>> Weather conditions have been very dry here - grass is long and a
>
>> little crunchy. Fortunately, Michael Sausen has again dropped off a
>
>> lawn mower for use.
>
>>
>
>> WiFi appears to be working great for me so far. Others have
>
>> reported issues so we'll just have to see.
>
>>
>
>> Bob
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> Read this topic online here:
>
>>
>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=254043#254043
>
>>
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> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List
>
> http://forums.matronics.com
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> http://www.matronics.com/contribution
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Dave,
A lot of the people camping at OSH are already on their way - give me a call and
I can run through the info that I've got and give you direct contact info.
402 651 0402
Bob
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We will be leaving thurs morning.Do you want remainder of the week?
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From: David McNeill <dlm46007@cox.net>
Sent: Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:29 am
Subject: RV10-List: OSH
The wife and kids suggest that they would like to come to OSH (after I though that
this year, I would not attend). Anybody in RV10 headquarters not using?all
their nights if they consider camping. I seem to remember somebody also had rooms
in a house. Also someone suggested? a good place for motor home rentals.
My dates there are flexible, any 2 or 3 days.
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I always RON at Brigham City (BMC) north of SLC. Airport is just north of
town, really nice people, courtesy car, nearby motels but main attraction
for me is Maddox restaurant on south edge of town. Great steaks.
Albert Gardner
Yuma, AZ
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We talked at length with Vans on this issue. From memory, the wing has
been designed to have some flex in it, outboard of the main tanks.
While you can replace the leading edge further outboard with another
tank, it stops that part of the wing from flexing. This then gives
rise to a hinge point between the two tanks and creates point loads /
stresses that the spar was not designed for at a center point in the
wing. That's not to say it can't be done, but they do not advise it.
Short term and low turbulence it would probably be ok. Long term.......
It is not often that you need to carry 4 people & a whole pile of
extra fuel. Vans recommendation to me was tip tanks & a ferry tank.
The plane is designed for those loads. You can put a Turtlepac 66 Gal
ferry tank, sitting as close to the front seats as possible. It leaves
little room for baggage, but it gives you 60+66 gal = 126 gal @ 8.5
gph LOP = nearly 15 hours. How big is your bladder??
The other thing to remember is that for most of your flying you will
probably be carrying around the extra weight for no gain. A removable
ferry tank is probably the best way to go.
Neil
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| Subject: | Re: plan confusion |
thanks Jesse but I still don't get it. It is probably something obvious
that I can't SEE.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jesse Saint" <jesse@saintaviation.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2009 10:13 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: plan confusion
>
> I'll take a stab by just looking at the plans. It sounds like the
> nutplates are supposed to be riveted to the angle with the rivets going
> through the rib as well. The drawing shows rivet holes for the nutplates
> in the angle as well as the rib. I think you are supposed to countersink
> the rib with the angle clecoed and then when you rivet the nutplates you
> do it with the angle clecoed to the rib.
>
> Sorry if that doesn't help, but since nobody else had replied yet, I
> thought I'd try to help.
>
> do not archive
>
> Jesse Saint
> Saint Aviation, Inc.
> jesse@saintaviation.com
> Cell: 352-427-0285
> Fax: 815-377-3694
>
> On Jul 23, 2009, at 10:32 AM, Strasnuts wrote:
>
>>
>> Section 28-2 step 2.
>>
>> What are they talking about?????
>>
>> The nutplates are already installed on the fwd fuselage ribs. The
>> angles have nutplates installed in the next few steps.
>>
>> The plans tell me to Machine Cntrsnk the inside of the fwd fuse ribs for
>> a 426ad3 rivet. There are no holes for this??? The angle attaches using
>> 30 size holes.
>>
>> --------
>> Cust. #40936
>> A&P, ATP
>> typed CE-525(s), CE-500
>> RV-10 SB Fuselage
>> N801VR reserved
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=254487#254487
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Aux fuel tanks |
To all -
Thank you for the input. I think that his summarizes the wing tank idea but
I will look at a removable tank in the baggage area.
Thank you again
Dick Gurley
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of jayb
Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2009 4:09 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: Aux fuel tanks
Last year at OSH there was at least one -10 with outboard aux tanks. It made
me ponder... The danger isn't not knowing for sure what you're doing. The
real peril is not knowing what you don't know.
If one hasn't done a proper engineering load analysis then making
substantial airframe changes puts the capital "E" in Experimental... Not an
aeronautical or mechanical engineer? Then you could end up as the next NTSB
poster child slash Internet whipping boy.
Please don't add to the body count or to higher insurance premiums for the
rest of us.
My 2 cents worth...
Jay
Do not archive
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If they don't want it, I'll take it.
Steve Mills RV-10
630-308-7476
_____
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of pilotdds@aol.com
Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2009 4:17 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: OSH
We will be leaving thurs morning.Do you want remainder of the week?
-----Original Message-----
From: David McNeill <dlm46007@cox.net>
Sent: Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:29 am
Subject: RV10-List: OSH
The wife and kids suggest that they would like to come to OSH (after I
though that this year, I would not attend). Anybody in RV10 headquarters not
using all their nights if they consider camping. I seem to remember somebody
also had rooms in a house. Also someone suggested a good place for motor
home rentals. My dates there are flexible, any 2 or 3 days.
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| Subject: | Re: plan confusion |
Jesse, I finally figures it out. Van's changed the fuel valve and forgot to change
a lot of pages in the manual. I looked far enough ahead in section 36 to
show the proper holes. There are NO nutplates now that connect the angle to
the fwd fuselage ribs.
Thanks
--------
Cust. #40936
RV-10 SB Fuselage
N801VR reserved
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=254526#254526
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Thanks. My wife has changed her mind and will stay in house if we come.
_____
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of pilotdds@aol.com
Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2009 2:17 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: OSH
We will be leaving thurs morning.Do you want remainder of the week?
-----Original Message-----
From: David McNeill <dlm46007@cox.net>
Sent: Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:29 am
Subject: RV10-List: OSH
The wife and kids suggest that they would like to come to OSH (after I
though that this year, I would not attend). Anybody in RV10 headquarters not
using all their nights if they consider camping. I seem to remember somebody
also had rooms in a house. Also someone suggested a good place for motor
home rentals. My dates there are flexible, any 2 or 3 days.
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| Subject: | Re: Aux fuel tanks |
If the reported tip tanks are 7.5 gal per side, that is 45 lbs per
side. If always consumed first, in low turbulence, low G flying,
perhaps not an issue. There are a number of planes that have STCs to
add tip tanks to certified planes. Who knows what the FAA demanded for
those, but I doubt they did spar beef up. Bonanza, C210, C185 all come
to mind.
On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 1:08 PM, jayb<jaybrinkmeyer@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Last year at OSH there was at least one -10 with outboard aux tanks. It made
me ponder... The danger isn't not knowing for sure what you're doing. The real
peril is not knowing what you don't know.
>
> If one hasn't done a proper engineering load analysis then making substantial
airframe changes puts the capital "E" in Experimental... Not an aeronautical
or mechanical engineer? Then you could end up as the next NTSB poster child slash
Internet whipping boy.
>
> Please don't add to the body count or to higher insurance premiums for the rest
of us.
>
> My 2 cents worth...
>
> Jay
>
> Do not archive
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=254507#254507
>
>
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go ahead , my wife will stay in house if we come.
_____
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve Mills
Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2009 2:42 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: OSH
If they don't want it, I'll take it.
Steve Mills RV-10
630-308-7476
_____
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of pilotdds@aol.com
Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2009 4:17 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: OSH
We will be leaving thurs morning.Do you want remainder of the week?
-----Original Message-----
From: David McNeill <dlm46007@cox.net>
Sent: Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:29 am
Subject: RV10-List: OSH
The wife and kids suggest that they would like to come to OSH (after I
though that this year, I would not attend). Anybody in RV10 headquarters not
using all their nights if they consider camping. I seem to remember somebody
also had rooms in a house. Also someone suggested a good place for motor
home rentals. My dates there are flexible, any 2 or 3 days.
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List">http://www.matronics.com
/Navigator?RV10-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
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| Subject: | Re: plan confusion |
At least you are working on that section. Some of us are still on
quick build hold. ;-(
Kelly
40866
On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 3:04 PM, Strasnuts<sean@braunandco.com> wrote:
>
> Jesse, I finally figures it out. Van's changed the fuel valve and forgot to change
a lot of pages in the manual. I looked far enough ahead in section 36 to
show the proper holes. There are NO nutplates now that connect the angle to the
fwd fuselage ribs.
>
> Thanks
>
> --------
> Cust. #40936
> RV-10 SB Fuselage
> N801VR reserved
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=254526#254526
>
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| Subject: | Re: Aux fuel tanks |
No sense in reinventing the wheel, so has anyone,,,, using the KISS princip
al,,,-come up with the best connection method for a baggage area aux tank
?- Venting?--Transfer/check valve?
I haven't even made any trips longer than 200 miles yet, but it seems it wo
uld be nice to know you had another 5-10 gallons somewhere.... oh, like a r
eserve!
We flew over toward the CA coast on July 4th.- First stop for fuel, Colus
a,tank empty, 2nd stop, Ukia, 2 fuel trucks, but no operators.... yes, I di
d get a little nervous.
Don McDonald--
--- On Thu, 7/23/09, Richard Gurley <rngurley@att.net> wrote:
From: Richard Gurley <rngurley@att.net>
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Aux fuel tanks
To all -
Thank you for the input.- I think that his summarizes the wing tank idea
but
I will look at a removable tank in the baggage area.
Thank you again
Dick Gurley
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of jayb
Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2009 4:09 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: Aux fuel tanks
Last year at OSH there was at least one -10 with outboard aux tanks. It mad
e
me ponder... The danger isn't not knowing for sure what you're doing. The
real peril is not knowing what you don't know.
If one hasn't done a proper engineering load analysis then making
substantial airframe changes puts the capital "E" in Experimental... Not an
aeronautical or mechanical engineer? Then you could end up as the next NTSB
poster child slash Internet whipping boy.
Please don't add to the body count or to higher insurance premiums for the
rest of us.
My 2 cents worth...
Jay
Do not archive
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=254507#254507
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| Subject: | Re: plan confusion |
This happen from time to time. Just wait till you get to the firewall forwa
rd and the exhaust system doesn't match the plans at all=3B)
Vern Smith (#324 finishing aka 44QT)
do not archive
> Subject: RV10-List: Re: plan confusion
> From: sean@braunandco.com
> Date: Thu=2C 23 Jul 2009 15:04:09 -0700
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>
>
> Jesse=2C I finally figures it out. Van's changed the fuel valve and forg
ot to change a lot of pages in the manual. I looked far enough ahead in se
ction 36 to show the proper holes. There are NO nutplates now that connect
the angle to the fwd fuselage ribs.
>
> Thanks
>
> --------
> Cust. #40936
> RV-10 SB Fuselage
> N801VR reserved
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=254526#254526
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>
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Its yours Steve-Jim 728DD
-----Original Message-----
From: Steve Mills <millstees@ameritech.net>
Sent: Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:42 pm
Subject: RE: RV10-List: OSH
If they don't want it, I'll take it.
?
Steve Mills RV-10
630-308-7476
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of pilotdds@aol.com
Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2009 4:17 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: OSH
We will be leaving thurs morning.Do you want remainder of the week?
-----Original Message-----
From: David McNeill <dlm46007@cox.net>
Sent: Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:29 am
Subject: RV10-List: OSH
The wife and kids suggest that they would like to come to OSH (after I though that
this year, I would not attend). Anybody in RV10 headquarters not using?all
their nights if they consider camping. I seem to remember somebody also had rooms
in a house. Also someone suggested? a good place for motor home rentals.
My dates there are flexible, any 2 or 3 days.
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c
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Depending on where you are coming from and what route you are taking, BMC is
a great choice if want to avoid the Class B around SLC. You can avoid it
getting into Ogden....little bit harder for Bountiful and SLC #2. I am out
of Ogden and think it is great....sorry I don't have any extra hanger space
to offer....Unless you are coming through in the next day or so. I am in
Las Vegas and my hanger is empty.....
Rene' Felker
RV-10 N423CF Flying
801-721-6080
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Albert Gardner
Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2009 3:24 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: OGD or SLC
I always RON at Brigham City (BMC) north of SLC. Airport is just north of
town, really nice people, courtesy car, nearby motels but main attraction
for me is Maddox restaurant on south edge of town. Great steaks.
Albert Gardner
Yuma, AZ
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I'll be leaving Wednesday afternoon.
Anyone want the remainder call me.
Dave Lammers
319-551-2832
Steve Mills wrote:
> If they don't want it, I'll take it.
>
> Steve Mills RV-10
> 630-308-7476
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of
> *pilotdds@aol.com
> *Sent:* Thursday, July 23, 2009 4:17 PM
> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* Re: RV10-List: OSH
>
> We will be leaving thurs morning.Do you want remainder of the week?
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: David McNeill <dlm46007@cox.net>
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:29 am
> Subject: RV10-List: OSH
>
> The wife and kids suggest that they would like to come to OSH (after I
> though that this year, I would not attend). Anybody in RV10
> headquarters not using all their nights if they consider camping. I
> seem to remember somebody also had rooms in a house. Also someone
> suggested a good place for motor home rentals. My dates there are
> flexible, any 2 or 3 days.
> *
>
>
> *
> *
>
> href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List
> href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
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| Subject: | Re: Aux fuel tanks |
I don't believe that the bending moment on the spar is increased by tip
tanks. If anything it is lessened. In some Ceesnas, the tips are the mains
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kelly McMullen
Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2009 2:58 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Aux fuel tanks
If the reported tip tanks are 7.5 gal per side, that is 45 lbs per side. If
always consumed first, in low turbulence, low G flying, perhaps not an
issue. There are a number of planes that have STCs to add tip tanks to
certified planes. Who knows what the FAA demanded for those, but I doubt
they did spar beef up. Bonanza, C210, C185 all come to mind.
On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 1:08 PM, jayb<jaybrinkmeyer@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Last year at OSH there was at least one -10 with outboard aux tanks. It
made me ponder... The danger isn't not knowing for sure what you're doing.
The real peril is not knowing what you don't know.
>
> If one hasn't done a proper engineering load analysis then making
substantial airframe changes puts the capital "E" in Experimental... Not an
aeronautical or mechanical engineer? Then you could end up as the next NTSB
poster child slash Internet whipping boy.
>
> Please don't add to the body count or to higher insurance premiums for the
rest of us.
>
> My 2 cents worth...
>
> Jay
>
> Do not archive
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=254507#254507
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Aux fuel tanks |
I think David is correct. In the Bonanza, the maximum gross weight is
actually increased by the addition of tip tanks. No spar mods, that I
know of with the Bonanza tip tanks.
David Maib
40559
On Jul 23, 2009, at 7:50 PM, David McNeill wrote:
I don't believe that the bending moment on the spar is increased by tip
tanks. If anything it is lessened. In some Ceesnas, the tips are the
mains
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kelly
McMullen
Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2009 2:58 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Aux fuel tanks
If the reported tip tanks are 7.5 gal per side, that is 45 lbs per
side. If
always consumed first, in low turbulence, low G flying, perhaps not an
issue. There are a number of planes that have STCs to add tip tanks to
certified planes. Who knows what the FAA demanded for those, but I doubt
they did spar beef up. Bonanza, C210, C185 all come to mind.
On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 1:08 PM, jayb<jaybrinkmeyer@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Last year at OSH there was at least one -10 with outboard aux
> tanks. It
made me ponder... The danger isn't not knowing for sure what you're
doing.
The real peril is not knowing what you don't know.
>
> If one hasn't done a proper engineering load analysis then making
substantial airframe changes puts the capital "E" in Experimental...
Not an
aeronautical or mechanical engineer? Then you could end up as the
next NTSB
poster child slash Internet whipping boy.
>
> Please don't add to the body count or to higher insurance premiums
> for the
rest of us.
>
> My 2 cents worth...
>
> Jay
>
> Do not archive
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=254507#254507
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Aux fuel tanks |
We have used a bladder tank in the baggage compartment before. We
used the 3rd port on the Van's fuel valve and ran a line to the
baggage area. No venting is needed with the bladder. It would be
fairly easy to plumb a rigid line inside the tunnel, then a bulkhead
fitting just behind the rear seat, in the front corner of the baggage
area or possibly in the tunnel cover in the baggage area, then it can
be capped when not in use or plumbed into the bladder with a flex line
when in use. I think our bladder was 20 gallons, which should be
right at the weight allowed in the baggage area.
do not archive
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse@saintaviation.com
Cell: 352-427-0285
Fax: 815-377-3694
On Jul 23, 2009, at 5:29 PM, Don McDonald wrote:
> No sense in reinventing the wheel, so has anyone,,,, using the KISS
> principal,,, come up with the best connection method for a baggage
> area aux tank? Venting? Transfer/check valve?
> I haven't even made any trips longer than 200 miles yet, but it
> seems it would be nice to know you had another 5-10 gallons
> somewhere.... oh, like a reserve!
> We flew over toward the CA coast on July 4th. First stop for fuel,
> Colusa,tank empty, 2nd stop, Ukia, 2 fuel trucks, but no
> operators.... yes, I did get a little nervous.
> Don McDonald
>
> --- On Thu, 7/23/09, Richard Gurley <rngurley@att.net> wrote:
>
> From: Richard Gurley <rngurley@att.net>
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Aux fuel tanks
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Date: Thursday, July 23, 2009, 2:27 PM
>
>
> To all -
>
> Thank you for the input. I think that his summarizes the wing tank
> idea but
> I will look at a removable tank in the baggage area.
>
> Thank you again
>
> Dick Gurley
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of jayb
> Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2009 4:09 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV10-List: Re: Aux fuel tanks
>
>
> Last year at OSH there was at least one -10 with outboard aux tanks.
> It made
> me ponder... The danger isn't not knowing for sure what you're
> doing. The
> real peril is not knowing what you don't know.
>
> If one hasn't done a proper engineering load analysis then making
> substantial airframe changes puts the capital "E" in Experimental...
> Not an
> aeronautical or mechanical engineer? Then you could end up as the
> next NTSB
> poster child slash Internet whipping boy.
>
> Please don't add to the body count or to higher insurance premiums
> for the
> rest of us.
>
> My 2 cents worth...
>
> Jay
>
> Do not archive
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=254507#254507
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Aux fuel tanks |
cost and source of the bladder?
_____
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jesse Saint
Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2009 8:46 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Aux fuel tanks
We have used a bladder tank in the baggage compartment before. We used the
3rd port on the Van's fuel valve and ran a line to the baggage area. No
venting is needed with the bladder. It would be fairly easy to plumb a
rigid line inside the tunnel, then a bulkhead fitting just behind the rear
seat, in the front corner of the baggage area or possibly in the tunnel
cover in the baggage area, then it can be capped when not in use or plumbed
into the bladder with a flex line when in use. I think our bladder was 20
gallons, which should be right at the weight allowed in the baggage area.
do not archive
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse@saintaviation.com
Cell: 352-427-0285
Fax: 815-377-3694
On Jul 23, 2009, at 5:29 PM, Don McDonald wrote:
No sense in reinventing the wheel, so has anyone,,,, using the KISS
principal,,, come up with the best connection method for a baggage area aux
tank? Venting? Transfer/check valve?
I haven't even made any trips longer than 200 miles yet, but it seems it
would be nice to know you had another 5-10 gallons somewhere.... oh, like a
reserve!
We flew over toward the CA coast on July 4th. First stop for fuel,
Colusa,tank empty, 2nd stop, Ukia, 2 fuel trucks, but no operators.... yes,
I did get a little nervous.
Don McDonald
--- On Thu, 7/23/09, Richard Gurley <rngurley@att.net> wrote:
From: Richard Gurley <rngurley@att.net>
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Aux fuel tanks
<http://us.mc537.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=rngurley@att.net> >
To all -
Thank you for the input. I think that his summarizes the wing tank idea but
I will look at a removable tank in the baggage area.
Thank you again
Dick Gurley
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
<http://us.mc537.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=owner-rv10-list-server@matroni
cs.com>
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
<http://us.mc537.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=owner-rv10-list-server@matroni
cs.com> ] On Behalf Of jayb
Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2009 4:09 PM
<http://us.mc537.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=rv10-list@matronics.com>
Subject: RV10-List: Re: Aux fuel tanks
<http://us.mc537.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=jaybrinkmeyer@yahoo.com> >
Last year at OSH there was at least one -10 with outboard aux tanks. It made
me ponder... The danger isn't not knowing for sure what you're doing. The
real peril is not knowing what you don't know.
If one hasn't done a proper engineering load analysis then making
substantial airframe changes puts the capital "E" in Experimental... Not an
aeronautical or mechanical engineer? Then you could end up as the next NTSB
poster child slash Internet whipping boy.
Please don't add to the body count or to higher insurance premiums for the
rest of us.
My 2 cents worth...
Jay
Do not archive
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=254507#254507
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If my memory is correct, some of the early aircraft were found to be
flaming coffins in a crash due to fuel tanks located right behind the
pilot rupturing. I would be very concerned about putting a fuel tank in
the baggage compartment for that reason. In a crash you could suddenly
find yourself in a gasoline shower with the slightest spark turning the
cockpit into an inferno.
Dave
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Dave Fritzsche
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Puyallup, WA
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