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1. 10:19 AM - Re: RV10 HQ in full swing (Perry, Phil)
2. 07:49 PM - Auto Power (Paul Walter)
3. 08:21 PM - Re: Auto Power (pascal)
4. 08:21 PM - Re: Auto Power (ricksked@embarqmail.com)
5. 10:49 PM - Re: Auto Power (Robin Marks)
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Just an update....
My order came in this morning and I've already booked a flight into
Milwaukee. I'm leaving Houston a 7AM.
See you in Oshkosh!
Phil
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From: Perry, Phil
Sent: Monday, July 27, 2009 11:48 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: RV10 HQ in full swing
What sucks is that I'm a sales guy and this is the last week of our
fiscal quarter. So yeah, I'm working. I've got 1 more transaction that
I'm tracking and if I can get it in early this week, I'm buying the next
airline ticket to Chicago or Milwaukee or someplace close.
If I get to head that way, I'll send an e-mail and let you know.
I plan on traveling with a 1 man tent, a few days of clothes, sunscreen,
toiletries, and rain gear all stuffed in a backpack.
Hopefully things will work out and I can get there. :)
Phil
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From: Tim Olson [mailto:Tim@MyRV10.com]
Sent: Sunday, July 26, 2009 6:47 PM
Subject: RV10-List: RV10 HQ in full swing
For all you folks who are around OSH, come on by the HQ! The food is
fantastic...thanks to Bog, Gary, and crew. For those missing out...what
the heck are you missing this for!?!?
Tim
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Hello to the group,
I came across an aluminum block V8 powered RV 10 on utube recently. It
was still a way off flying but had the engine running. I was wondering
if anyone in the U.S. actually has a flying example of this type of
engine installation and if so how the performance numbers stack up
compared to a Lycoming etc.
Paul
~=03
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sore subject right now
Below is the report I pulled from VAF-
http://www.vansairforce.com/community/showthread.php?t=38462&page=10
gipsowh Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Conroe, Texas
Posts: 41
Gear Collapse Incident
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Yes, its true, N730WL was damaged Thursday afternoon during a test
flight and subsequent emergency landing. Pilot, Bud Warren and I were
taking the 10 for a flight around the airport to check out a high
operating temperature problem. We took off after a long taxi and climbed
normally, however the engine temperature kept climbing even after
leveling off. For unknown reasons the engine seemed to quit making
power. Bud skillfully banked back toward the runways. Not a good
situation. A discussion with Bud today leads me to believe that the high
engine temperature may have exceeded an operating parameter in the ECM
and the engine reverted to a low power setting. This has yet to be
confirmed but obviously needs to be addressed if this is indeed the
problem.
Bud managed to get the airplane back to the airport sacrificing
altitude and speed without stalling. Incredible job by Bud to get us
back to the runway. However, once over the runway, we were too slow and
the plane mushed onto the runway rather hard. We bounced and skidded to
a stop on the collapsed main gear. Fortunately, there was no fire and
Bud and I were able to get out of the 10 without any injuries, Thank
God.
Unfortunately, there was considerable damage to the main landing
gear and the prop was destroyed. The steps kept the bottom of the
fuselage off the runway while we skidded, so no noticeable damage to the
fuselage skin or tail. The wings didn't hit the ground but there is some
minor damage from the gear folding up. I haven't looked at the landing
gear mounts yet or the spar. So I don't know at this ten seconds the
full extent of the damage.
This project has been five years in the making and this is a tough
pill for me to swallow. I really appreciate the concerns voiced. Will
try and keep you posted on any new developments or findings.
__________________
Bill Gipson
N730WL
LS1 Geareddrives powered RV-10
Conroe, Texas
From: Paul Walter
Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2009 7:45 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Auto Power
Hello to the group,
I came across an aluminum block V8 powered RV 10 on utube recently. It
was still a way off flying but had the engine running. I was wondering
if anyone in the U.S. actually has a flying example of this type of
engine installation and if so how the performance numbers stack up
compared to a Lycoming etc.
Paul
~=03
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Yeah there's one in Texas.....it dead sticked in and fold
ed the gear about two weeks ago......We just got back f
rom Osh via Texas to Las Vegas....all Lycoming powered.
Never missed a beat....
Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
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From: "Paul Walter" <pdwalter@bigpond.net.au>
Subject: RV10-List: Auto Power
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Paul is asking about the real performance numbers. Here they are Paul.
Alternative Engine Up Front Savings $15,000
Additional R&D 1,000
hours Since we work for nothing-additional cost = $0.00
Cost to build Alt. Engine RV-10 $160,000-$225,000
Resale Value of Alt. Engine RV-10 $80,000 (plus Liability
Waver Signed, Witnessed & Notarized, twice)
Paul, everyone wants and hopes for a viable alternative engine RV or for
that matter just about any experimental airplane to be successful using
readily available automotive type engines. Unfortunately the category
has been littered with planes that never flew and even worse ones that
did fly. Some even making it all the way back to the airport.
My advice is that unless you are an aeronautical engineer that prefers
building to flying construct a plans built aircraft. Saving $ on an
alternative engine will be the most expensive path you can take.
Robin
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of pascal
Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2009 8:20 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Auto Power
sore subject right now
Below is the report I pulled from VAF-
http://www.vansairforce.com/community/showthread.php?t=38462&page=10
gipsowh <http://www.vansairforce.com/community/member.php?u=190>
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Conroe, Texas
Posts: 41
<http://www.vansairforce.com/community/showthread.php?t=38462&page=10
>
Gear Collapse Incident
________________________________
Yes, its true, N730WL was damaged Thursday afternoon during a test
flight and subsequent emergency landing. Pilot, Bud Warren and I were
taking the 10 for a flight around the airport to check out a high
operating temperature problem. We took off after a long taxi and climbed
normally, however the engine temperature kept climbing even after
leveling off. For unknown reasons the engine seemed to quit making
power. Bud skillfully banked back toward the runways. Not a good
situation. A discussion with Bud today leads me to believe that the high
engine temperature may have exceeded an operating parameter in the ECM
and the engine reverted to a low power setting. This has yet to be
confirmed but obviously needs to be addressed if this is indeed the
problem.
Bud managed to get the airplane back to the airport sacrificing altitude
and speed without stalling. Incredible job by Bud to get us back to the
runway. However, once over the runway, we were too slow and the plane
mushed onto the runway rather hard. We bounced and skidded to a stop on
the collapsed main gear. Fortunately, there was no fire and Bud and I
were able to get out of the 10 without any injuries, Thank God.
Unfortunately, there was considerable damage to the main landing gear
and the prop was destroyed. The steps kept the bottom of the fuselage
off the runway while we skidded, so no noticeable damage to the fuselage
skin or tail. The wings didn't hit the ground but there is some minor
damage from the gear folding up. I haven't looked at the landing gear
mounts yet or the spar. So I don't know at this ten seconds the full
extent of the damage.
This project has been five years in the making and this is a tough pill
for me to swallow. I really appreciate the concerns voiced. Will try and
keep you posted on any new developments or findings.
__________________
Bill Gipson
N730WL
LS1 Geareddrives powered RV-10
Conroe, Texas
From: Paul Walter <mailto:pdwalter@bigpond.net.au>
Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2009 7:45 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Auto Power
Hello to the group,
I came across an aluminum block V8 powered RV 10 on utube recently. It
was still a way off flying but had the engine running. I was wondering
if anyone in the U.S. actually has a flying example of this type of
engine installation and if so how the performance numbers stack up
compared to a Lycoming etc.
Paul
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