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1. 07:27 AM - Re: RV-10 OSH Event Reminder (Bob Leffler)
2. 08:17 AM - GRT AHRS Mounting and CG (Chris)
3. 02:17 PM - Re: GRT AHRS Mounting and CG (Richard Gurley)
4. 03:13 PM - Re: GRT AHRS Mounting and CG (Condrey, Bob (US SSA))
5. 03:25 PM - Re: GRT AHRS Mounting and CG (johngoodman)
6. 04:20 PM - Re: Re: GRT AHRS Mounting and CG (Condrey, Bob (US SSA))
7. 07:09 PM - Re: GRT AHRS Mounting and CG (Chris)
8. 08:14 PM - DIY Panel Labeling $20.00 (Robin Marks)
9. 11:07 PM - Official RV10-List FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) (Matt Dralle)
10. 11:12 PM - Official RV10-List Usage Guidelines (Matt Dralle)
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| Subject: | RV-10 OSH Event Reminder |
I wish I could have been there. I didn't get home until about 9pm last
night. After the late start with a dead battery (thanks Jim and Steve),
then it took about 1.5 hours to get around Indy at rush hour.
It was a great week. I met many new friends and saw many old ones. It was
a great week!
Thanks to Bob, Gary, Susan, and Brenda for handling all the logistics and
hospitality!!
Most know that I left early to pick up my son who has been off at AFROTC
Field training for the last month or so. He just gave us a call and we
found out he got the Distinguished Graduate and Top Gun awards. Needless to
say, we are proud of his accomplishments.
It's been a great week for our family.....
Bob
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of bcondrey
Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 8:13 AM
Subject: RV10-List: RV-10 OSH Event Reminder
Just a reminder to those at OSH that we're having the big cookout tonight.
Smoked brisket, fresh sweet corn, beans, strawberry shortcake and ice cream!
starting around 6:00, nothing to bring except possibly a chair. We'll have
a plate out to collect some $ if you'd like to contribute.
Even if you don't eat or are running late feel free to stop by - very
difficult to find a larger collection of RV-10 flyers and builders in one
spot. There are usually people out talking until at least 10:30 or 11:00.
Location is Camp Scholler, 55th and Lindbergh which is about a 5 minute walk
from either the Theater in the Woods gate or the Fly Market gate.
Bob
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| Subject: | GRT AHRS Mounting and CG |
Anyone have a feeling about how far it is acceptable to mount the AHRS from
the CG? When does the "lever affect" really kick-in?
I would like to put it on a shelf like others have done - one bay behind
the battery bay, with the magnetometers there too. What do those in the know
think?
Thank You
Chris Lucas
#40072
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| Subject: | GRT AHRS Mounting and CG |
I talked with the GRT folks about this at Oshkosh this week. They
recommend
putting the AHRS back by the battery (Vans makes a shelf) and the
magnetometers out on the wingtips. They indicated that having both on
the
same shelf might cause too much electrical noise for the magnetometers.
Dick Gurley
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chris
Sent: Saturday, August 01, 2009 10:53 AM
Subject: RV10-List: GRT AHRS Mounting and CG
Anyone have a feeling about how far it is acceptable to mount the AHRS
from
the CG? When does the "lever affect" really kick-in?
I would like to put it on a shelf like others have done - one bay
behind
the battery bay, with the magnetometers there too. What do those in the
know
think?
Thank You
Chris Lucas
#40072
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| Subject: | Re: GRT AHRS Mounting and CG |
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| Subject: | Re: GRT AHRS Mounting and CG |
rngurley wrote:
> I talked with the GRT folks about this at Oshkosh this week. They recommend
putting the AHRS back by the battery (Vans makes a shelf) and the magnetometers
out on the wingtips. They indicated that having both on the same shelf might
cause too much electrical noise for the magnetometers.
>
> Dick Gurley
>
> --
Darn! When I asked them the same question at Sun 'n fun they didn't blink an eye
when I said I would mount both on a tray behind the battery bay. If you look
at their installation documentation for both, they have to be within 0.5 degrees
of each other in all orientations. Talk about CYA. I'm calling on Monday!
John
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#40572 QB Fuselage, wings finished. Finish Kit progressing. Engine & Panel
delivery soon.
N711JG reserved
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| Subject: | Re: GRT AHRS Mounting and CG |
I mounted the magnetometers up high in the bay with the batteries and have no issue
- been flying over a year. YMMV.
Bob
----- Original Message -----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com <owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com>
Sent: Sat Aug 01 15:25:03 2009
Subject: RV10-List: Re: GRT AHRS Mounting and CG
rngurley wrote:
> I talked with the GRT folks about this at Oshkosh this week. They recommend
putting the AHRS back by the battery (Vans makes a shelf) and the magnetometers
out on the wingtips. They indicated that having both on the same shelf might
cause too much electrical noise for the magnetometers.
>
> Dick Gurley
>
> --
Darn! When I asked them the same question at Sun 'n fun they didn't blink an eye
when I said I would mount both on a tray behind the battery bay. If you look
at their installation documentation for both, they have to be within 0.5 degrees
of each other in all orientations. Talk about CYA. I'm calling on Monday!
John
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#40572 QB Fuselage, wings finished. Finish Kit progressing. Engine & Panel
delivery soon.
N711JG reserved
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=255561#255561
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| Subject: | GRT AHRS Mounting and CG |
Dick,
SO your saying they told you the AHRS itself could interfere with the
magnetometer performance? That seems odd. I wouldn't think much is going
on electrically in the AHRS plus it had that thick Al housing. Let us know
what they say John Goodman if you get a call in to GRT on Monday. I'll call
Tuesday to see if we get a third answer!!
I think I am going to press forward based on the input from folks already in
operation (I kinda just finished the mounting this evening anyway).
When it comes time, I'll give it all a thorough check out and move things
later if I have to. It is very convenient to have it all on the shelf
instead of having to run more wires out the wing etc.
Thanks for the inputs.
-Chris
#40072
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard Gurley
Sent: Saturday, August 01, 2009 4:55 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: GRT AHRS Mounting and CG
I talked with the GRT folks about this at Oshkosh this week. They recommend
putting the AHRS back by the battery (Vans makes a shelf) and the
magnetometers out on the wingtips. They indicated that having both on the
same shelf might cause too much electrical noise for the magnetometers.
Dick Gurley
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chris
Sent: Saturday, August 01, 2009 10:53 AM
Subject: RV10-List: GRT AHRS Mounting and CG
Anyone have a feeling about how far it is acceptable to mount the AHRS from
the CG? When does the "lever affect" really kick-in?
I would like to put it on a shelf like others have done - one bay behind
the battery bay, with the magnetometers there too. What do those in the know
think?
Thank You
Chris Lucas
#40072
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| Subject: | DIY Panel Labeling $20.00 |
RV-List,
I thought I would share a sweet way to do your own panel
labeling that is fast, inexpensive and great looking. In fact your
graphic choices are nearly unlimited.
I had the unfortunate situation where the graphics on my
panel we not acceptable. I paid to reshoot the panel and decided to
label some of the items myself. I had considered using clear labels and
a Dymo style label maker like I used with my RV-6A. The results were
actually quite good but with limited choices in font selection, size and
spacing. The ideal system would be to use my graphics software to design
the correct labels and then transfer them to my panel in Decal form.
With a little research I sourced:
Color Laser Water Slide Decal Paper by papoilio. www.papoilio.com
I purchased the large pack of 10 sheets ($13.00) in case I
screwed up but I only needed one sheet as I was able to fit duplicate
labels all on a single page. I designed my labels in Adobe Illustrator
because it is a vector based program making the text and borders ultra
crisp. I also happen to own a Minolta Magicolor 2400W color laser
printer which gave me excellent results. If my printer didn't work well
my plan was to run a thumb drive down to Kinkos and use their large
Color Laser Printer but there was no need after I output and tested the
first sheet. If you are OK with Black graphics any Laser Printer will
do.
From here the process was straight forward, trim, soak in
bowl of water for 15 seconds, don't spill the bowl of water in the plane
(hardest step), place the decal on a pre-moistened portion of your panel
and properly position. Do the next decal while the first one is drying.
I purchased a special rubber squeegee and floating agent at
the same time I purchased the paper but never found the need to use
them. If you are confident you only need the 5 sheet pack your cost may
be as low as $10.00.
For high wear areas they suggest a clear coat over the decal
but these are in a low touch location and they seem pretty durable to
me.
With your own graphic designs your panel labeling choices are virtually
unlimited including photographs or multi color process:
(note: labels below are fuzzy due to .jpg conversion)
Robin
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ftp://ftp.matronics.com/pub/Archives
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Dear Listers,
Please read over the RV10-List Usage Guidelines below. The complete
RV10-List FAQ including these Usage Guidelines can be found at the
following URL:
http://www.matronics.com/FAQs/RV10-List.FAQ.html
Thank you,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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RV10-List Usage Guidelines
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The following details the official Usage Guidelines for the RV10-List.
You are encouraged to read it carefully, and to abide by the rules therein.
Failure to use the RV10-List in the manner described below may result
in the removal of the subscribers from the List.
RV10-List Policy Statement
The purpose of the RV10-List is to provide a forum of discussion for
things related to this particular discussion group. The List's goals
are to serve as an information resource to its members; to deliver
high-quality content; to provide moral support; to foster camaraderie
among its members; and to support safe operation. Reaching these goals
requires the participation and cooperation of each and every member of
the List. To this end, the following guidelines have been established:
- Please keep all posts related to the List at some level. Do not submit
posts concerning computer viruses, urban legends, random humor, long
lost buddies' phone numbers, etc. etc.
- THINK carefully before you write. Ask yourself if your post will be
relevant to everyone. If you have to wonder about that, DON'T send it.
- Remember that your post will be included for posterity in an archive
that is growing in size at an extraordinary rate. Try to be concise and
terse in your posts. Avoid overly wordy and lengthy posts and
responses.
- Keep your signature brief. Please include your name, email address,
aircraft type/tail number, and geographic location. A short line
about where you are in the building process is also nice. Avoid
bulky signatures with character graphics; they consume unnecessary
space in the archive.
- DON'T post requests to the List for information when that info is
easily obtainable from other widely available sources. Consult the
web page or FAQ first.
- If you want to respond to a post, DO keep the "Subject:" line of
your response the same as that of the original post. This makes it
easy to find threads in the archive.
- When responding, NEVER quote the *entire* original post in your
response. DO use lines from the original post to help "tune in" the
reader to the topic at hand, but be selective. The impact that
quoting the entire original post has on the size of the archive
can not be overstated!
- When the poster asks you to respond to him/her personally, DO NOT
then go ahead and reply to the List. Be aware that clicking the
"reply" button on your mail package does not necessarily send your
response to the original poster. You might have to actively address
your response with the original poster's email address.
- DO NOT use the List to respond to a post unless you have something
to add that is relevant and has a broad appeal. "Way to go!", "I
agree", and "Congratulations" are all responses that are better sent
to the original poster directly, rather than to the List at large.
- When responding to others' posts, avoid the feeling that you need to
comment on every last point in their posts, unless you can truly
contribute something valuable.
- Feel free to disagree with other viewpoints, BUT keep your tone
polite and respectful. Don't make snide comments, personally attack
other listers, or take the moral high ground on an obviously
controversial issue. This will only cause a pointless debate that
will hurt feelings, waste bandwidth and resolve nothing.
- Occasional posts by vendors or individuals who are regularly
subscribed to a given List are considered acceptable. Posts by
List members promoting their respective products or items for sale
should be of a friendly, informal nature, and should not resemble
a typical SPAM message. The List isn't about commercialism, but
is about sharing information and knowledge. This applies to
everyone, including those who provide products to the entire
community. Informal presentation and moderation should be the
operatives with respect to advertising on the Lists.
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