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1. 02:39 AM - Re: OSH - Looking to share camping for tent (arjetz)
2. 05:44 AM - Flap Bulge - Leading Edge (jason.kreidler@regalbeloit.com)
3. 06:23 AM - Forward Slips (jason.kreidler@regalbeloit.com)
4. 06:46 AM - Repairmen's Certificate (jason.kreidler@regalbeloit.com)
5. 07:25 AM - Re: Repairmen's Certificate (Jack Phillips)
6. 08:43 AM - Re: Repairmen's Certificate (ricksked@embarqmail.com)
7. 08:43 AM - Re: DIY Panel Labeling $20.00 (John Cumins)
8. 08:52 AM - Re: Repairmen's Certificate (Tim Olson)
9. 08:53 AM - Re: Forward Slips (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
10. 08:54 AM - Re: Forward Slips (Miller John)
11. 08:54 AM - Re: Repairmen's Certificate (Miller John)
12. 09:25 AM - Re: GRT AHRS Mounting and CG (bcondrey)
13. 09:25 AM - Re: Repairmen's Certificate (Seano)
14. 10:08 AM - Re: Forward Slips (Tim Olson)
15. 10:22 AM - Re: DIY Panel Labeling $20.00 (John Cox)
16. 10:23 AM - Re: DIY Panel Labeling $20.00 (Robin Marks)
17. 11:08 AM - Re: GRT AHRS Mounting and CG (johngoodman)
18. 11:32 AM - Re: GRT AHRS Mounting and CG (johngoodman)
19. 11:34 AM - OSH Photos (Robin Marks)
20. 12:08 PM - Re: Re: GRT AHRS Mounting and CG (Bill Mauledriver Watson)
21. 12:09 PM - Re: Repairmen's Certificate (pascal)
22. 12:18 PM - Re: OSH Photos (John Cox)
23. 12:38 PM - Re: OSH Photos (Tim Olson)
24. 01:17 PM - Re: Repairmen's Certificate (Marcus Cooper)
25. 02:24 PM - Re: OSH Photos (Danny Riggs)
26. 02:34 PM - Re: OSH Photos (Danny Riggs)
27. 02:51 PM - Re: OSH Photos - Jim Combs (Jim)
28. 07:38 PM - Re: Re: GRT AHRS Mounting and CG (Chris)
29. 07:51 PM - RV-10's at OSH Lineup (Chris)
30. 09:53 PM - OSH 2009 Photos (Tim Olson)
31. 10:04 PM - Re: RV-10's at OSH Lineup (Tim Olson)
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| Subject: | Re: OSH - Looking to share camping for tent |
try to choose the sierra tent its has a good quality
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| Subject: | Flap Bulge - Leading Edge |
Lessons for Oshkosh....
A while back we noticed the nose of our flaps bulges slightly below the
bottom wing skin. The bulge is not consistent along the length of the
flap. While at Oshkosh I compared our flaps to other examples and found
that this is a fairly common problem (if it can be called a problem). All
of the aircraft with retracted flaps I looked at had the problem, except
one (Vans demo RV-10). I did not look at all of the examples on display.
I talked to Ken K. about this, he seemed surprised. I asked if it would
be OK to hand form the leading edge to eliminate the bulge, he said that
would be good. He also said we could bend the bottom wing skin down a
bit.
We had quick build wings (including the flaps).
Just passing along the observation.
Thanks, Jason Kreidler
N44YH - Flying
4 Partner Build #40617
Tony Kolar - Kyle Hokel - Wayne Elsner - Jason Kreidler
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I would like to pass along a flight test experience I had.
I initiated a slip at 85 knots (note well below Va) (zero degree flap
setting), the rudder pedal was fairly hard to push, however as it
approached what I would guess to be just beyond the middle of its travel
the 'tone' of the airframe changed, and the rudder became much easier to
apply, the airplane 'jerked' further into the slip, and felt as if it was
going to swap ends. It did not roll much, just an abrupt yaw. I then had
to apply opposite rudder to return back to neutral. I did not get to the
rudder stop. The rudder almost felt as if it went 'over center'. Weight
& Balance during this test 2510 LBS @ 112.7". Note I was using pitch to
maintain airspeed, and aileron to control heading (or track).
After this happened I spoke with a few others who are flying, no one had
performed this maneuver. I then spoke with Ken K. about this while at
Oshkosh. He said he had experienced the same thing, although he entered
it quickly by stomping the rudder pedal to the floor. He could not
explain exactly what was causing the problem, he thought it might be
dihedral stability. I told him the I suppose the right answer is "don't
do that", he quickly replied that maneuver may be required if the flap
motor was lost, and you were forced to slow down and land without flaps.
I also spoke with Alex D. about this, he has also experienced the same
thing, he said it is worse when you have -3 degrees reflex, and still
there at 0 degrees. I have done this with one and two notches of 'real'
flaps and was able to do full slips.
Ken K. asked me (with a smile) if I had enough 'guts' to get the rudder
all the way to the floor to see how far it went, I didn't. At least not
before understanding what is going on, and if this is limited to our copy.
After experiencing this I have a few takeaways. 1) Expect the unexpected,
I hate surprises, imagine the surprise while performing a fairly standard
maneuver and getting a result never experienced before. 2) Don't do
that.... 3) Share what is learned even at the risk of what replies are
sure to come.
I say don't do that but I believe Ken has a valid argument, at very least
we should all understand what our aircraft behave like even if the
maneuver is at the fringe of what we would normally expect to perform.
Thanks, Jason Kreidler
N44YH - Flying
4 Partner Build #40617
Tony Kolar - Kyle Hokel - Wayne Elsner - Jason Kreidler
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| Subject: | Repairmen's Certificate |
Just thought I would pass long my experience getting the Repairmen's
Certificate for our RV-10. We used Joe Norris who works for EAA in
Oshkosh as our DAR and Tech Counselor. Joe said that he does not issue
the Repairmen's Certificate, and I had to go to the FSDO to get the cert.
While in Oshkosh (since we are local) I got in touch with the Milwaukee
FSDO on the field. He offered to go over and look at the airplane with
me, and ask a few questions about the construction. This amounted to
comparing our paperwork to the data plates, and asking which part we built
first. He did comment that our "Experimental" marking was 'marginal' at
best. We have it located in the baggage bulkhead, which is somewhat
blocked by the rear seat headrests. He didn't demand that we fix it, he
said if Joe thought it was OK, then it is OK. I said we would move the
markings to the door, as 'marginal' isn't acceptable to me, he was very
happy to hear this.
BTW, regarding the "Experimental" marking..... We had Flightline
Interiors do our interior, wonderful product, wonderful people. As I said
we had our experimental marked on the baggage bulkhead, during our DAR
inspection we had to make a new experimental marking because all of the
letters embroidered on the bulkhead were not 2" tall. The capitol letters
were taller, the lower-case letters were too short. It was in a 'fancy'
font, but that wasn't a problem. Abby made good and re-did the piece, so
it looks like we now have a take three on the markings.
The next day I brought my laptop into the office and showed him pictures
of the build, he wanted to see me actually working, not posing with parts.
He also wanted to see me working at all of the stages to prove I was
involved from beginning to end. He looked up the RV-10 quickbuild in the
database to verify it meets the 51% rule. He asked how I planned to
inspect the airplane, and what checklists I had for the inspections. He
wanted to hear that our part 43 checklist was modified to include unique
maintenance features of our model. He asked me to bring along the
builders log, but did not review it. He issued the certificate on the
spot. Kinda cool, he even filled out the application overnight, I only
had to double check the info, and sign my name. This guy was great!
I had thought that the Repairmen's Certificate was issued at the same time
as the inspection, but that was not the case for us, just passing along
the experience.
Thanks, Jason Kreidler
N44YH - Flying
4 Partner Build #40617
Tony Kolar - Kyle Hokel - Wayne Elsner - Jason Kreidler
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| Subject: | Repairmen's Certificate |
Jason,
If the FAA makes the airworthiness inspection you can get the Repairman's
certificate at the same time. A DAR cannot issue it. I had my Pietenpol
Air Camper (which I flew to OSH this year - it was the green one with yellow
wings parked right in front of the Brown Arch) inspected by the FSDO and
they issued my repairman's certificate at the same time as the Airworthiness
Certificate.
That certificate is worth a lot - about $1500 a year in annual Condition
Inspection costs.
Jack Phillips, Raleigh NC
Pietenpol NX899JP
RV-10 # 40610 (still working on wings - slow build)
_____
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
jason.kreidler@regalbeloit.com
Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 9:41 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Repairmen's Certificate
Just thought I would pass long my experience getting the Repairmen's
Certificate for our RV-10. We used Joe Norris who works for EAA in Oshkosh
as our DAR and Tech Counselor. Joe said that he does not issue the
Repairmen's Certificate, and I had to go to the FSDO to get the cert. While
in Oshkosh (since we are local) I got in touch with the Milwaukee FSDO on
the field. He offered to go over and look at the airplane with me, and ask
a few questions about the construction. This amounted to comparing our
paperwork to the data plates, and asking which part we built first. He did
comment that our "Experimental" marking was 'marginal' at best. We have it
located in the baggage bulkhead, which is somewhat blocked by the rear seat
headrests. He didn't demand that we fix it, he said if Joe thought it was
OK, then it is OK. I said we would move the markings to the door, as
'marginal' isn't acceptable to me, he was very happy to hear this.
BTW, regarding the "Experimental" marking..... We had Flightline Interiors
do our interior, wonderful product, wonderful people. As I said we had our
experimental marked on the baggage bulkhead, during our DAR inspection we
had to make a new experimental marking because all of the letters
embroidered on the bulkhead were not 2" tall. The capitol letters were
taller, the lower-case letters were too short. It was in a 'fancy' font,
but that wasn't a problem. Abby made good and re-did the piece, so it looks
like we now have a take three on the markings.
The next day I brought my laptop into the office and showed him pictures of
the build, he wanted to see me actually working, not posing with parts. He
also wanted to see me working at all of the stages to prove I was involved
from beginning to end. He looked up the RV-10 quickbuild in the database to
verify it meets the 51% rule. He asked how I planned to inspect the
airplane, and what checklists I had for the inspections. He wanted to hear
that our part 43 checklist was modified to include unique maintenance
features of our model. He asked me to bring along the builders log, but did
not review it. He issued the certificate on the spot. Kinda cool, he even
filled out the application overnight, I only had to double check the info,
and sign my name. This guy was great!
I had thought that the Repairmen's Certificate was issued at the same time
as the inspection, but that was not the case for us, just passing along the
experience.
Thanks, Jason Kreidler
N44YH - Flying
4 Partner Build #40617
Tony Kolar - Kyle Hokel - Wayne Elsner - Jason Kreidler
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| Subject: | Re: Repairmen's Certificate |
That's a FSDO that has nothing better to do...It.should only be a interview with
the recommendation letter from the DAR....I don't need another inspection...heck
they wouldn't even talk to me about doing the airworthiness inspection. I
hope my request is less of a hassle than yours
Rick Sked
N246RS
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Subject: RV10-List: Repairmen's Certificate
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| Subject: | DIY Panel Labeling $20.00 |
Mark
The link to the web site does not work could you please resend the linl
Thanks
John G. Cumins
40864 Elevator assymb.
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robin Marks
Sent: Saturday, August 01, 2009 8:12 PM
Subject: RV10-List: DIY Panel Labeling $20.00
RV-List,
I thought I would share a sweet way to do your own panel
labeling that is fast, inexpensive and great looking. In fact your graphic
choices are nearly unlimited.
I had the unfortunate situation where the graphics on my panel
we not acceptable. I paid to reshoot the panel and decided to label some of
the items myself. I had considered using clear labels and a Dymo style label
maker like I used with my RV-6A. The results were actually quite good but
with limited choices in font selection, size and spacing. The ideal system
would be to use my graphics software to design the correct labels and then
transfer them to my panel in Decal form. With a little research I sourced:
Color Laser Water Slide Decal Paper by papoilio. www.papoilio.com
I purchased the large pack of 10 sheets ($13.00) in case I
screwed up but I only needed one sheet as I was able to fit duplicate labels
all on a single page. I designed my labels in Adobe Illustrator because it
is a vector based program making the text and borders ultra crisp. I also
happen to own a Minolta Magicolor 2400W color laser printer which gave me
excellent results. If my printer didn't work well my plan was to run a thumb
drive down to Kinkos and use their large Color Laser Printer but there was
no need after I output and tested the first sheet. If you are OK with Black
graphics any Laser Printer will do.
From here the process was straight forward, trim, soak in bowl
of water for 15 seconds, don't spill the bowl of water in the plane (hardest
step), place the decal on a pre-moistened portion of your panel and properly
position. Do the next decal while the first one is drying.
I purchased a special rubber squeegee and floating agent at the
same time I purchased the paper but never found the need to use them. If you
are confident you only need the 5 sheet pack your cost may be as low as
$10.00.
For high wear areas they suggest a clear coat over the decal but
these are in a low touch location and they seem pretty durable to me.
With your own graphic designs your panel labeling choices are virtually
unlimited including photographs or multi color process:
(note: labels below are fuzzy due to .jpg conversion)
Robin
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| Subject: | Re: Repairmen's Certificate |
If you use a DAR, you must apply in person for the Repairman's
cert. If you use the Feds, they can issue it without
appearing in person.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
jason.kreidler@regalbeloit.com wrote:
>
> Just thought I would pass long my experience getting the Repairmen's
> Certificate for our RV-10. We used Joe Norris who works for EAA in
> Oshkosh as our DAR and Tech Counselor. Joe said that he does not issue
> the Repairmen's Certificate, and I had to go to the FSDO to get the
> cert. While in Oshkosh (since we are local) I got in touch with the
> Milwaukee FSDO on the field. He offered to go over and look at the
> airplane with me, and ask a few questions about the construction. This
> amounted to comparing our paperwork to the data plates, and asking which
> part we built first. He did comment that our "Experimental" marking was
> 'marginal' at best. We have it located in the baggage bulkhead, which
> is somewhat blocked by the rear seat headrests. He didn't demand that
> we fix it, he said if Joe thought it was OK, then it is OK. I said we
> would move the markings to the door, as 'marginal' isn't acceptable to
> me, he was very happy to hear this.
>
> BTW, regarding the "Experimental" marking..... We had Flightline
> Interiors do our interior, wonderful product, wonderful people. As I
> said we had our experimental marked on the baggage bulkhead, during our
> DAR inspection we had to make a new experimental marking because all of
> the letters embroidered on the bulkhead were not 2" tall. The capitol
> letters were taller, the lower-case letters were too short. It was in a
> 'fancy' font, but that wasn't a problem. Abby made good and re-did the
> piece, so it looks like we now have a take three on the markings.
>
> The next day I brought my laptop into the office and showed him pictures
> of the build, he wanted to see me actually working, not posing with
> parts. He also wanted to see me working at all of the stages to prove I
> was involved from beginning to end. He looked up the RV-10 quickbuild
> in the database to verify it meets the 51% rule. He asked how I planned
> to inspect the airplane, and what checklists I had for the inspections.
> He wanted to hear that our part 43 checklist was modified to include
> unique maintenance features of our model. He asked me to bring along
> the builders log, but did not review it. He issued the certificate on
> the spot. Kinda cool, he even filled out the application overnight, I
> only had to double check the info, and sign my name. This guy was great!
>
> I had thought that the Repairmen's Certificate was issued at the same
> time as the inspection, but that was not the case for us, just passing
> along the experience.
>
> Thanks, Jason Kreidler
>
> N44YH - Flying
> 4 Partner Build #40617
> Tony Kolar - Kyle Hokel - Wayne Elsner - Jason Kreidler
>
> *
>
>
> *
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Hmm, very interesting. Back when I used to fly skydivers the forward slip
was a SOP for getting down from altitude without shock cooling the engine
and the slips were sometimes so aggressive that it wasn't uncommon to unpor
t the fuel tank with the reduced fuel that jump ships carry. It's somethin
g I do sometimes without even thinking about it and that would have been qu
ite the surprise. Thanks for sharing with us.
Michael
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@m
atronics.com] On Behalf Of jason.kreidler@regalbeloit.com
Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 8:10 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Forward Slips
I would like to pass along a flight test experience I had.
I initiated a slip at 85 knots (note well below Va) (zero degree flap setti
ng), the rudder pedal was fairly hard to push, however as it approached wha
t I would guess to be just beyond the middle of its travel the 'tone' of th
e airframe changed, and the rudder became much easier to apply, the airplan
e 'jerked' further into the slip, and felt as if it was going to swap ends.
It did not roll much, just an abrupt yaw. I then had to apply opposite r
udder to return back to neutral. I did not get to the rudder stop. The ru
dder almost felt as if it went 'over center'. Weight & Balance during this
test 2510 LBS @ 112.7". Note I was using pitch to maintain airspeed, and
aileron to control heading (or track).
After this happened I spoke with a few others who are flying, no one had pe
rformed this maneuver. I then spoke with Ken K. about this while at Oshkos
h. He said he had experienced the same thing, although he entered it quick
ly by stomping the rudder pedal to the floor. He could not explain exactly
what was causing the problem, he thought it might be dihedral stability.
I told him the I suppose the right answer is "don't do that", he quickly re
plied that maneuver may be required if the flap motor was lost, and you wer
e forced to slow down and land without flaps.
I also spoke with Alex D. about this, he has also experienced the same thin
g, he said it is worse when you have -3 degrees reflex, and still there at
0 degrees. I have done this with one and two notches of 'real' flaps and w
as able to do full slips.
Ken K. asked me (with a smile) if I had enough 'guts' to get the rudder all
the way to the floor to see how far it went, I didn't. At least not befor
e understanding what is going on, and if this is limited to our copy.
After experiencing this I have a few takeaways. 1) Expect the unexpected,
I hate surprises, imagine the surprise while performing a fairly standard m
aneuver and getting a result never experienced before. 2) Don't do that...
. 3) Share what is learned even at the risk of what replies are sure to co
me.
I say don't do that but I believe Ken has a valid argument, at very least w
e should all understand what our aircraft behave like even if the maneuver
is at the fringe of what we would normally expect to perform.
Thanks, Jason Kreidler
N44YH - Flying
4 Partner Build #40617
Tony Kolar - Kyle Hokel - Wayne Elsner - Jason Kreidler
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| Subject: | Re: Forward Slips |
I have not experienced this, but will look at it next flight to see.
Think most of my slips to date have been with flaps.
grumpy
N184JM
do not archive
On Aug 3, 2009, at 8:10 AM, jason.kreidler@regalbeloit.com wrote:
>
> I would like to pass along a flight test experience I had.
>
> I initiated a slip at 85 knots (note well below Va) (zero degree
> flap setting), the rudder pedal was fairly hard to push, however as
> it approached what I would guess to be just beyond the middle of its
> travel the 'tone' of the airframe changed, and the rudder became
> much easier to apply, the airplane 'jerked' further into the slip,
> and felt as if it was going to swap ends. It did not roll much,
> just an abrupt yaw. I then had to apply opposite rudder to return
> back to neutral. I did not get to the rudder stop. The rudder
> almost felt as if it went 'over center'. Weight & Balance during
> this test 2510 LBS @ 112.7". Note I was using pitch to maintain
> airspeed, and aileron to control heading (or track).
>
> After this happened I spoke with a few others who are flying, no one
> had performed this maneuver. I then spoke with Ken K. about this
> while at Oshkosh. He said he had experienced the same thing,
> although he entered it quickly by stomping the rudder pedal to the
> floor. He could not explain exactly what was causing the problem,
> he thought it might be dihedral stability. I told him the I suppose
> the right answer is "don't do that", he quickly replied that
> maneuver may be required if the flap motor was lost, and you were
> forced to slow down and land without flaps.
>
> I also spoke with Alex D. about this, he has also experienced the
> same thing, he said it is worse when you have -3 degrees reflex, and
> still there at 0 degrees. I have done this with one and two notches
> of 'real' flaps and was able to do full slips.
>
> Ken K. asked me (with a smile) if I had enough 'guts' to get the
> rudder all the way to the floor to see how far it went, I didn't.
> At least not before understanding what is going on, and if this is
> limited to our copy.
>
> After experiencing this I have a few takeaways. 1) Expect the
> unexpected, I hate surprises, imagine the surprise while performing
> a fairly standard maneuver and getting a result never experienced
> before. 2) Don't do that.... 3) Share what is learned even at the
> risk of what replies are sure to come.
>
> I say don't do that but I believe Ken has a valid argument, at very
> least we should all understand what our aircraft behave like even if
> the maneuver is at the fringe of what we would normally expect to
> perform.
>
> Thanks, Jason Kreidler
>
> N44YH - Flying
> 4 Partner Build #40617
> Tony Kolar - Kyle Hokel - Wayne Elsner - Jason Kreidler
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Repairmen's Certificate |
Good info for builders not yet complete.
Along the way on my build, I had scores of pictures taken of me
working on various sections as well as documentation of how I ran
things.
Put it all together into a power point presentation with text boxes,
arrows, etc, and took that to the FSDO when I went for my repairman's
certificate. Also took my flight checklist and the annual condition
checklists for his review.
Made issuing my certificate a breeze.
grumpy
N184JM
On Aug 3, 2009, at 8:40 AM, jason.kreidler@regalbeloit.com wrote:
>
> Just thought I would pass long my experience getting the Repairmen's
> Certificate for our RV-10. We used Joe Norris who works for EAA in
> Oshkosh as our DAR and Tech Counselor. Joe said that he does not
> issue the Repairmen's Certificate, and I had to go to the FSDO to
> get the cert. While in Oshkosh (since we are local) I got in touch
> with the Milwaukee FSDO on the field. He offered to go over and
> look at the airplane with me, and ask a few questions about the
> construction. This amounted to comparing our paperwork to the data
> plates, and asking which part we built first. He did comment that
> our "Experimental" marking was 'marginal' at best. We have it
> located in the baggage bulkhead, which is somewhat blocked by the
> rear seat headrests. He didn't demand that we fix it, he said if
> Joe thought it was OK, then it is OK. I said we would move the
> markings to the door, as 'marginal' isn't acceptable to me, he was
> very happy to hear this.
>
> BTW, regarding the "Experimental" marking..... We had Flightline
> Interiors do our interior, wonderful product, wonderful people. As
> I said we had our experimental marked on the baggage bulkhead,
> during our DAR inspection we had to make a new experimental marking
> because all of the letters embroidered on the bulkhead were not 2"
> tall. The capitol letters were taller, the lower-case letters were
> too short. It was in a 'fancy' font, but that wasn't a problem.
> Abby made good and re-did the piece, so it looks like we now have a
> take three on the markings.
>
> The next day I brought my laptop into the office and showed him
> pictures of the build, he wanted to see me actually working, not
> posing with parts. He also wanted to see me working at all of the
> stages to prove I was involved from beginning to end. He looked up
> the RV-10 quickbuild in the database to verify it meets the 51%
> rule. He asked how I planned to inspect the airplane, and what
> checklists I had for the inspections. He wanted to hear that our
> part 43 checklist was modified to include unique maintenance
> features of our model. He asked me to bring along the builders log,
> but did not review it. He issued the certificate on the spot.
> Kinda cool, he even filled out the application overnight, I only had
> to double check the info, and sign my name. This guy was great!
>
> I had thought that the Repairmen's Certificate was issued at the
> same time as the inspection, but that was not the case for us, just
> passing along the experience.
>
> Thanks, Jason Kreidler
>
> N44YH - Flying
> 4 Partner Build #40617
> Tony Kolar - Kyle Hokel - Wayne Elsner - Jason Kreidler
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: GRT AHRS Mounting and CG |
The AHRS can be mounted on the standard tray next to the battery however the magnetometer
must be at least 24" (IIRC) from the contactors and AP servo both of
which are strong sources of magnetic energy. I found that a shelf about 3"
below the top of the tailcone, attached to the J channel stringers works great.
I did look into mounting a shelf across the longerons but my testing with a
simple compass in that location showed large variations as things were switched
on/off and the AP servo exercised. Just a few inches higher made a huge difference.
Wingtips would also be an excellent location.
Bob
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| Subject: | Re: Repairmen's Certificate |
great write up
Thanks
----- Original Message -----
From: jason.kreidler@regalbeloit.com
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 7:40 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Repairmen's Certificate
Just thought I would pass long my experience getting the Repairmen's
Certificate for our RV-10. We used Joe Norris who works for EAA in
Oshkosh as our DAR and Tech Counselor. Joe said that he does not issue
the Repairmen's Certificate, and I had to go to the FSDO to get the
cert. While in Oshkosh (since we are local) I got in touch with the
Milwaukee FSDO on the field. He offered to go over and look at the
airplane with me, and ask a few questions about the construction. This
amounted to comparing our paperwork to the data plates, and asking which
part we built first. He did comment that our "Experimental" marking was
'marginal' at best. We have it located in the baggage bulkhead, which
is somewhat blocked by the rear seat headrests. He didn't demand that
we fix it, he said if Joe thought it was OK, then it is OK. I said we
would move the markings to the door, as 'marginal' isn't acceptable to
me, he was very happy to hear this.
BTW, regarding the "Experimental" marking..... We had Flightline
Interiors do our interior, wonderful product, wonderful people. As I
said we had our experimental marked on the baggage bulkhead, during our
DAR inspection we had to make a new experimental marking because all of
the letters embroidered on the bulkhead were not 2" tall. The capitol
letters were taller, the lower-case letters were too short. It was in a
'fancy' font, but that wasn't a problem. Abby made good and re-did the
piece, so it looks like we now have a take three on the markings.
The next day I brought my laptop into the office and showed him
pictures of the build, he wanted to see me actually working, not posing
with parts. He also wanted to see me working at all of the stages to
prove I was involved from beginning to end. He looked up the RV-10
quickbuild in the database to verify it meets the 51% rule. He asked
how I planned to inspect the airplane, and what checklists I had for the
inspections. He wanted to hear that our part 43 checklist was modified
to include unique maintenance features of our model. He asked me to
bring along the builders log, but did not review it. He issued the
certificate on the spot. Kinda cool, he even filled out the application
overnight, I only had to double check the info, and sign my name. This
guy was great!
I had thought that the Repairmen's Certificate was issued at the same
time as the inspection, but that was not the case for us, just passing
along the experience.
Thanks, Jason Kreidler
N44YH - Flying
4 Partner Build #40617
Tony Kolar - Kyle Hokel - Wayne Elsner - Jason Kreidler
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| Subject: | Re: Forward Slips |
I do slips all the time in the 10 but it's always with flaps, so the
difference here is the lack of flaps. I will have to try it without
just to see the effect. For standard ops though you would have flaps
if you're doing a slip....so it's emergency ops that make this
something to explore
Tim
On Aug 3, 2009, at 9:55 AM, "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)"
<rvbuilder@sausen.net
> wrote:
> Hmm, very interesting. Back when I used to fly skydivers the
> forward slip was a SOP for getting down from altitude without shock
> cooling the engine and the slips were sometimes so aggressive that
> it wasn=99t uncommon to unport the fuel tank with the reduced
fuel tha
> t jump ships carry. It=99s something I do sometimes without
even thin
> king about it and that would have been quite the surprise. Thanks f
> or sharing with us.
>
>
> Michael
>
>
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-
> server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of jason.kreidler@regalbeloit.com
> Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 8:10 AM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV10-List: Forward Slips
>
>
> I would like to pass along a flight test experience I had.
>
> I initiated a slip at 85 knots (note well below Va) (zero degree
> flap setting), the rudder pedal was fairly hard to push, however as
> it approached what I would guess to be just beyond the middle of its
> travel the 'tone' of the airframe changed, and the rudder became
> much easier to apply, the airplane 'jerked' further into the slip,
> and felt as if it was going to swap ends. It did not roll much,
> just an abrupt yaw. I then had to apply opposite rudder to return
> back to neutral. I did not get to the rudder stop. The rudder
> almost felt as if it went 'over center'. Weight & Balance during
> this test 2510 LBS @ 112.7". Note I was using pitch to maintain
> airspeed, and aileron to control heading (or track).
>
> After this happened I spoke with a few others who are flying, no one
> had performed this maneuver. I then spoke with Ken K. about this
> while at Oshkosh. He said he had experienced the same thing,
> although he entered it quickly by stomping the rudder pedal to the
> floor. He could not explain exactly what was causing the problem,
> he thought it might be dihedral stability. I told him the I suppose
> the right answer is "don't do that", he quickly replied that
> maneuver may be required if the flap motor was lost, and you were
> forced to slow down and land without flaps.
>
> I also spoke with Alex D. about this, he has also experienced the
> same thing, he said it is worse when you have -3 degrees reflex, and
> still there at 0 degrees. I have done this with one and two notches
> of 'real' flaps and was able to do full slips.
>
> Ken K. asked me (with a smile) if I had enough 'guts' to get the
> rudder all the way to the floor to see how far it went, I didn't.
> At least not before understanding what is going on, and if this is
> limited to our copy.
>
> After experiencing this I have a few takeaways. 1) Expect the
> unexpected, I hate surprises, imagine the surprise while performing
> a fairly standard maneuver and getting a result never experienced
> before. 2) Don't do that.... 3) Share what is learned even at the
> risk of what replies are sure to come.
>
> I say don't do that but I believe Ken has a valid argument, at very
> least we should all understand what our aircraft behave like even if
> the maneuver is at the fringe of what we would normally expect to
> perform.
>
> Thanks, Jason Kreidler
>
> N44YH - Flying
> 4 Partner Build #40617
> Tony Kolar - Kyle Hokel - Wayne Elsner - Jason Kreidler
>
>
> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List
> http://forums.matronics.com
> http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>
>
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| Subject: | DIY Panel Labeling $20.00 |
I found it as Robin intended, but at http://www.papilio.com/index.html
3M has an aerosol lacquer which can be sprayed over the finished product
to extend its life and resistance to humidity. it's a DIY project.
John
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Cumins
Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 8:24 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: DIY Panel Labeling $20.00
Mark
The link to the web site does not work could you please resend the linl
Thanks
John G. Cumins
40864 Elevator assymb.
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robin Marks
Sent: Saturday, August 01, 2009 8:12 PM
Subject: RV10-List: DIY Panel Labeling $20.00
RV-List,
I thought I would share a sweet way to do your own panel
labeling that is fast, inexpensive and great looking. In fact your
graphic choices are nearly unlimited.
I had the unfortunate situation where the graphics on my
panel we not acceptable. I paid to reshoot the panel and decided to
label some of the items myself. I had considered using clear labels and
a Dymo style label maker like I used with my RV-6A. The results were
actually quite good but with limited choices in font selection, size and
spacing. The ideal system would be to use my graphics software to design
the correct labels and then transfer them to my panel in Decal form.
With a little research I sourced:
Color Laser Water Slide Decal Paper by papoilio. www.papoilio.com
I purchased the large pack of 10 sheets ($13.00) in case I
screwed up but I only needed one sheet as I was able to fit duplicate
labels all on a single page. I designed my labels in Adobe Illustrator
because it is a vector based program making the text and borders ultra
crisp. I also happen to own a Minolta Magicolor 2400W color laser
printer which gave me excellent results. If my printer didn't work well
my plan was to run a thumb drive down to Kinkos and use their large
Color Laser Printer but there was no need after I output and tested the
first sheet. If you are OK with Black graphics any Laser Printer will
do.
>From here the process was straight forward, trim, soak in
bowl of water for 15 seconds, don't spill the bowl of water in the plane
(hardest step), place the decal on a pre-moistened portion of your panel
and properly position. Do the next decal while the first one is drying.
I purchased a special rubber squeegee and floating agent at
the same time I purchased the paper but never found the need to use
them. If you are confident you only need the 5 sheet pack your cost may
be as low as $10.00.
For high wear areas they suggest a clear coat over the decal
but these are in a low touch location and they seem pretty durable to
me.
With your own graphic designs your panel labeling choices are virtually
unlimited including photographs or multi color process:
(note: labels below are fuzzy due to .jpg conversion)
Robin
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| Subject: | DIY Panel Labeling $20.00 |
http://www.papilio.com/
Specific Item I used:
http://www.papilio.com/laser%20water%20slide%20decal%20paper.html
Where I purchased:
http://www.texascraft.com/hps/home.php?cat=267
Interesting I now see they make a Bake On version that is more durable &
suitable for Dishwasher cleaning. I wonder if one could use a hair dryer
or heat gun to fix the label to the panel.
I also see they offer temporary tattoo paper so I can sport photos of my
RV-10 on my massive biceps. J
Robin
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Cumins
Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 8:24 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: DIY Panel Labeling $20.00
Mark
The link to the web site does not work could you please resend the linl
Thanks
John G. Cumins
40864 Elevator assymb.
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robin Marks
Sent: Saturday, August 01, 2009 8:12 PM
Subject: RV10-List: DIY Panel Labeling $20.00
RV-List,
I thought I would share a sweet way to do your own panel
labeling that is fast, inexpensive and great looking. In fact your
graphic choices are nearly unlimited.
I had the unfortunate situation where the graphics on my
panel we not acceptable. I paid to reshoot the panel and decided to
label some of the items myself. I had considered using clear labels and
a Dymo style label maker like I used with my RV-6A. The results were
actually quite good but with limited choices in font selection, size and
spacing. The ideal system would be to use my graphics software to design
the correct labels and then transfer them to my panel in Decal form.
With a little research I sourced:
Color Laser Water Slide Decal Paper by papoilio. www.papoilio.com
I purchased the large pack of 10 sheets ($13.00) in case I
screwed up but I only needed one sheet as I was able to fit duplicate
labels all on a single page. I designed my labels in Adobe Illustrator
because it is a vector based program making the text and borders ultra
crisp. I also happen to own a Minolta Magicolor 2400W color laser
printer which gave me excellent results. If my printer didn't work well
my plan was to run a thumb drive down to Kinkos and use their large
Color Laser Printer but there was no need after I output and tested the
first sheet. If you are OK with Black graphics any Laser Printer will
do.
>From here the process was straight forward, trim, soak in
bowl of water for 15 seconds, don't spill the bowl of water in the plane
(hardest step), place the decal on a pre-moistened portion of your panel
and properly position. Do the next decal while the first one is drying.
I purchased a special rubber squeegee and floating agent at
the same time I purchased the paper but never found the need to use
them. If you are confident you only need the 5 sheet pack your cost may
be as low as $10.00.
For high wear areas they suggest a clear coat over the decal
but these are in a low touch location and they seem pretty durable to
me.
With your own graphic designs your panel labeling choices are virtually
unlimited including photographs or multi color process:
(note: labels below are fuzzy due to .jpg conversion)
Robin
Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
08/02/09 17:56:00
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| Subject: | Re: GRT AHRS Mounting and CG |
> SO your saying they told you the AHRS itself could interfere with the magnetometer
performance? That seems odd. I wouldnt think much is going on electrically
in the AHRS plus it had that thick Al housing. Let us know what they say John
Goodman if you get a call in to GRT on Monday. Ill call Tuesday to see if we
get a third answer!!
I called, but only a few are back from Oshkosh. Left a message for a call back.
John
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#40572 QB Fuselage, wings finished. Finish Kit progressing. Engine & Panel
delivery soon.
N711JG reserved
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| Subject: | Re: GRT AHRS Mounting and CG |
OK,
I got a call back from Jeff at GRT. It is true that the AHRS interferes with the
magnometer. The stock answer is that the magnometer can be no closer than 18"
to a magnetic source. He's not sure what the exact distance for the AHRS is,
but it contains stuff that will interfere. They recommend a wing tip as first
choice, otherwise a separate mount in the tail far away from everything. Back
to the drawing board....
John
--------
#40572 QB Fuselage, wings finished. Finish Kit progressing. Engine & Panel
delivery soon.
N711JG reserved
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What made this OSH noteworthy was apparently they didn't allow cameras
into the RV-10 parking area?
Why no posted photos gentleman? I am dying to see pix of RV-10 in rows.
Robin
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| Subject: | Re: GRT AHRS Mounting and CG |
I'm exactly 18" from closest edge of AHRS to closest edge of
Magnetometer. I tried to maximize the distance from the pitch AP servo
and the Strobe flash unit.
I recall some previous posts on be careful with the AHRS around the
pitch trim unit in the rear of the tail cone. It's further forward than
you think and I recall it being difficult to setup the 18" clearance.
Let's hear some more flying experiences with the GRTs.
Bill "Firewall Forward" Watson
johngoodman wrote:
>
> OK,
> I got a call back from Jeff at GRT. It is true that the AHRS interferes with
the magnometer. The stock answer is that the magnometer can be no closer than
18" to a magnetic source. He's not sure what the exact distance for the AHRS is,
but it contains stuff that will interfere. They recommend a wing tip as first
choice, otherwise a separate mount in the tail far away from everything. Back
to the drawing board....
> John
>
> --------
> #40572 QB Fuselage, wings finished. Finish Kit progressing. Engine & Panel
delivery soon.
> N711JG reserved
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=255821#255821
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Repairmen's Certificate |
To a certain extent I agree! as far as the certificate, no need to show
them the plane. I was at a recent FAA safety event and I spoke with the
local FSDO rep, he kindly told me to keep good records of what I did,
have pictures that show me working on something, be ready to answer what
I was doing in a picture with details and be ready to tell them what I
plan to do for maintenance, the checklist I'll follow and a few
questions on how to repair issues, like an oil leak, mostly just to see
if I have an idea of what the certificate involves from me.
Sounds to me that Jason had an interested FSDO person, I have no issue
with the FAA giving me feedback this way in a kind way versus an
inspection at a field and be told I violate some FAA regs. Anyone who
reads the AOPA legal section by Jodice knows that the FAA and NTSB are
doing weird things to anyone who is in violation of some rules. I can
see this being an issue by a group of local FSDO "inspectors" looking
to justify their jobs at a local flyin.
Most of these guys care, take their feedback as a kind offer whenever
possible not as another inspection, because you really don=92t want to
have to deal with what might happen if you are inspected.
Nice write-up BTW Jason!
Pascal
From: ricksked@embarqmail.com
Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 7:12 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Repairmen's Certificate
That's a FSDO that has nothing better to do...It.should only be a
interview with the recommendation letter from the DAR....I don't need
another inspection...heck they wouldn't even talk to me about doing the
airworthiness inspection. I hope my request is less of a hassle than
yours
Rick Sked
N246RS
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From: jason.kreidler@regalbeloit.com
Subject: RV10-List: Repairmen's Certificate
Just thought I would pass long my experience getting the Repairmen's
Certificate for our RV-10. We used Joe Norris who works for EAA in
Oshkosh as our DAR and Tech Counselor. Joe said that he does not issue
the Repairmen's Certificate, and I had to go to the FSDO to get the
cert. While in Oshkosh (since we are local) I got in touch with the
Milwaukee FSDO on the field. He offered to go over and look at the
airplane with me, and ask a few questions about the construction. This
amounted to comparing our paperwork to the data plates, and asking which
part we built first. He did comment that our "Experimental" marking was
'marginal' at best. We have it located in the baggage bulkhead, which
is somewhat blocked by the rear seat headrests. He didn't demand that
we fix it, he said if Joe thought it was OK, then it is OK. I said we
would move the markings to the door, as 'marginal' isn't acceptable to
me, he was very happy to hear this.
BTW, regarding the "Experimental" marking..... We had Flightline
Interiors do our interior, wonderful product, wonderful people. As I
said we had our experimental marked on the baggage bulkhead, during our
DAR inspection we had to make a new experimental marking because all of
the letters embroidered on the bulkhead were not 2" tall. The capitol
letters were taller, the lower-case letters were too short. It was in a
'fancy' font, but that wasn't a problem. Abby made good and re-did the
piece, so it looks like we now have a take three on the markings.
The next day I brought my laptop into the office and showed him pictures
of the build, he wanted to see me actually working, not posing with
parts. He also wanted to see me working at all of the stages to prove I
was involved from beginning to end. He looked up the RV-10 quickbuild
in the database to verify it meets the 51% rule. He asked how I planned
to inspect the airplane, and what checklists I had for the inspections.
He wanted to hear that our part 43 checklist was modified to include
unique maintenance features of our model. He asked me to bring along
the builders log, but did not review it. He issued the certificate on
the spot. Kinda cool, he even filled out the application overnight, I
only had to double check the info, and sign my name. This guy was
great!
I had thought that the Repairmen's Certificate was issued at the same
time as the inspection, but that was not the case for us, just passing
along the experience.
Thanks, Jason Kreidler
N44YH - Flying
4 Partner Build #40617
Tony Kolar - Kyle Hokel - Wayne Elsner - Jason Kreidler
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I have pics. Added six to the collection of 134 painted RV10s. 208 now fl
ying. Did not get a shot of Mark's cover being off and did not get one of
the Bronze Lindy winner. Will have to dumb down the detail so we can post
them to the String & Tin can crews.
Be patient. Going through withdrawl.
John Cox
From: Robin Marks
Sent: Mon 8/3/2009 11:34 AM
Subject: RV10-List: OSH Photos
What made this OSH noteworthy was apparently they didn't allow cameras into
the RV-10 parking area?
Why no posted photos gentleman? I am dying to see pix of RV-10 in rows.
Robin
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Robin,
This year only 3 RV-10's even showed up, so it was really
sparse...that's why no photos. :)
Actually, this year I took almost zero pictures...actually
very close to zero, other than on the way over, and on
Friday a.m. when I went for a cool plane ride with some guys.
So if anyone has a bunch of photos resized to 1024x768 or
so, I can post them. Please, don't email me photos that
are all 2 or 3 Mb in size....that would be a waste.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
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Robin Marks wrote:
> What made this OSH noteworthy was apparently they didnt allow cameras
> into the RV-10 parking area?
>
> Why no posted photos gentleman? I am dying to see pix of RV-10 in rows.
>
>
>
> Robin
>
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| Subject: | Repairmen's Certificate |
I used a DAR and while the FSDO did want me to come to the office, they were
kind enough to appreciate my travel problems (not at all close to the FSDO)
and they worked it through the mail. The important thing to point out is
that they wanted to see me, not the airplane and made no request to see any
paperwork other that what the DAR provided.
Marcus
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 10:11 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Repairmen's Certificate
If you use a DAR, you must apply in person for the Repairman's
cert. If you use the Feds, they can issue it without
appearing in person.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
jason.kreidler@regalbeloit.com wrote:
>
> Just thought I would pass long my experience getting the Repairmen's
> Certificate for our RV-10. We used Joe Norris who works for EAA in
> Oshkosh as our DAR and Tech Counselor. Joe said that he does not issue
> the Repairmen's Certificate, and I had to go to the FSDO to get the
> cert. While in Oshkosh (since we are local) I got in touch with the
> Milwaukee FSDO on the field. He offered to go over and look at the
> airplane with me, and ask a few questions about the construction. This
> amounted to comparing our paperwork to the data plates, and asking which
> part we built first. He did comment that our "Experimental" marking was
> 'marginal' at best. We have it located in the baggage bulkhead, which
> is somewhat blocked by the rear seat headrests. He didn't demand that
> we fix it, he said if Joe thought it was OK, then it is OK. I said we
> would move the markings to the door, as 'marginal' isn't acceptable to
> me, he was very happy to hear this.
>
> BTW, regarding the "Experimental" marking..... We had Flightline
> Interiors do our interior, wonderful product, wonderful people. As I
> said we had our experimental marked on the baggage bulkhead, during our
> DAR inspection we had to make a new experimental marking because all of
> the letters embroidered on the bulkhead were not 2" tall. The capitol
> letters were taller, the lower-case letters were too short. It was in a
> 'fancy' font, but that wasn't a problem. Abby made good and re-did the
> piece, so it looks like we now have a take three on the markings.
>
> The next day I brought my laptop into the office and showed him pictures
> of the build, he wanted to see me actually working, not posing with
> parts. He also wanted to see me working at all of the stages to prove I
> was involved from beginning to end. He looked up the RV-10 quickbuild
> in the database to verify it meets the 51% rule. He asked how I planned
> to inspect the airplane, and what checklists I had for the inspections.
> He wanted to hear that our part 43 checklist was modified to include
> unique maintenance features of our model. He asked me to bring along
> the builders log, but did not review it. He issued the certificate on
> the spot. Kinda cool, he even filled out the application overnight, I
> only had to double check the info, and sign my name. This guy was great!
>
> I had thought that the Repairmen's Certificate was issued at the same
> time as the inspection, but that was not the case for us, just passing
> along the experience.
>
> Thanks, Jason Kreidler
>
> N44YH - Flying
> 4 Partner Build #40617
> Tony Kolar - Kyle Hokel - Wayne Elsner - Jason Kreidler
>
> *
>
>
> *
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> Date: Mon=2C 3 Aug 2009 14:36:36 -0500
> From: Tim@MyRV10.com
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: OSH Photos
>
>
> Robin=2C
> This year only 3 RV-10's even showed up=2C so it was really
> sparse...that's why no photos. :)
>
> Actually=2C this year I took almost zero pictures...actually
> very close to zero=2C other than on the way over=2C and on
> Friday a.m. when I went for a cool plane ride with some guys.
> So if anyone has a bunch of photos resized to 1024x768 or
> so=2C I can post them. Please=2C don't email me photos that
> are all 2 or 3 Mb in size....that would be a waste.
>
> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
> do not archive
>
>
> Robin Marks wrote:
> > What made this OSH noteworthy was apparently they didn=92t allow camera
s
> > into the RV-10 parking area?
> >
> > Why no posted photos gentleman? I am dying to see pix of RV-10 in rows.
> >
> >
> >
> > Robin
> >
> > Do Not Archive
> >
> > *
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I was over where the airplanes were parked in the 300 series slots on Satur
day afternoon and there were at least six -10s parked there. Rob Hickman's
avionics tricked out -10 was there. Must be nice to have your own efis busi
ness! There were also a lot of empty spots around them where other -10s ha
d been and already left. The day before they were buried behind a lot of ot
her planes and weren't easy to see. i know as we looked for them too. Ther
e was also one at slot #178 that was for sale according to the ad that was
placed on the board. Walked my feet off and had a great time! I hope to fly
mine up there in 2010. Dan
> Date: Mon=2C 3 Aug 2009 14:36:36 -0500
> From: Tim@MyRV10.com
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: OSH Photos
>
>
> Robin=2C
> This year only 3 RV-10's even showed up=2C so it was really
> sparse...that's why no photos. :)
>
> Actually=2C this year I took almost zero pictures...actually
> very close to zero=2C other than on the way over=2C and on
> Friday a.m. when I went for a cool plane ride with some guys.
> So if anyone has a bunch of photos resized to 1024x768 or
> so=2C I can post them. Please=2C don't email me photos that
> are all 2 or 3 Mb in size....that would be a waste.
>
> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
> do not archive
>
>
> Robin Marks wrote:
> > What made this OSH noteworthy was apparently they didn=92t allow camera
s
> > into the RV-10 parking area?
> >
> > Why no posted photos gentleman? I am dying to see pix of RV-10 in rows.
> >
> >
> >
> > Robin
> >
> > Do Not Archive
> >
> > *
>
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| Subject: | Re: OSH Photos - Jim Combs |
Tim,
You can post these. Please!
Thanks, Jim C
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| Subject: | Re: GRT AHRS Mounting and CG |
Ok, I'll rethink too then.
Thanks
Chris
#40072
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of johngoodman
Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 2:31 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: GRT AHRS Mounting and CG
OK,
I got a call back from Jeff at GRT. It is true that the AHRS interferes with
the magnometer. The stock answer is that the magnometer can be no closer
than 18" to a magnetic source. He's not sure what the exact distance for the
AHRS is, but it contains stuff that will interfere. They recommend a wing
tip as first choice, otherwise a separate mount in the tail far away from
everything. Back to the drawing board....
John
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#40572 QB Fuselage, wings finished. Finish Kit progressing. Engine &
Panel delivery soon.
N711JG reserved
Read this topic online here:
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| Subject: | RV-10's at OSH Lineup |
Here is the bunch as I saw it Tuesday. I think it was about 3 rows of 6 at
one point, plus two across the way and two over near the brown arch.
-Chris
#40072
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http://www.myrv10.com/miscphotos/OSH2009/index.html
Here are the photos that people have sent so far. I'll add more over
time as more come in.
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Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: RV-10's at OSH Lineup |
Thanks Chris, they're posted.
Tim
Chris wrote:
> Here is the bunch as I saw it Tuesday. I think it was about 3 rows of 6
> at one point, plus two across the way and two over near the brown arch.
>
> -Chris
>
> #40072
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