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1. 04:41 AM - Re: mounting steps (johngoodman)
2. 05:19 AM - Re: Testing fuel tank with 100LL (johngoodman)
3. 05:52 AM - Re: Re: GRT AHRS Mounting and CG (Bill Mauledriver Watson)
4. 06:10 AM - proseal (Sandra & Rick Lark)
5. 06:14 AM - Re: GRT AHRS Mounting and CG (johngoodman)
6. 06:44 AM - Re: proseal (Rob Kermanj)
7. 06:48 AM - Re: proseal (AirMike)
8. 06:55 AM - Re: proseal (Fred Williams, M.D.)
9. 06:57 AM - Re: proseal (Vernon Smith)
10. 07:08 AM - Re: proseal (Kelly McMullen)
11. 07:15 AM - Re: Re: Testing fuel tank with 100LL (Vernon Smith)
12. 07:22 AM - Re: proseal (Rene Felker)
13. 07:24 AM - Re: proseal (Tim Olson)
14. 07:56 AM - Re: Re: Testing fuel tank with 100LL (David McNeill)
15. 08:47 AM - Re: Re: Fuel tank leaks (gary)
16. 10:38 AM - For reference (David McNeill)
17. 10:43 AM - Re: Re: Fuel tank leaks (ricksked@embarqmail.com)
18. 10:49 AM - Re: Re: Fuel tank leaks (Miller John)
19. 10:52 AM - Re: Re: Fuel tank leaks (David McNeill)
20. 10:56 AM - Re: For reference (David McNeill)
21. 11:29 AM - Re: Forward Slips (Rick Sked)
22. 11:36 AM - Re: proseal (Linn Walters)
23. 12:05 PM - Re: proseal (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
24. 12:09 PM - Non WAAS GNS-430 Trades (SteinAir, Inc.)
25. 12:11 PM - Re: Re: GRT AHRS Mounting and CG (Bill Mauledriver Watson)
26. 02:25 PM - proseal (Rick and Sandra Lark)
27. 03:15 PM - Re: proseal (Kelly McMullen)
28. 03:16 PM - Re: proseal (Jeff Carpenter)
29. 05:00 PM - Re: Fuel tank leaks (jkreidler)
30. 05:42 PM - RV Smoke Systems (Matt Dralle)
31. 08:40 PM - proseal/beer (Rick and Sandra Lark)
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| Subject: | Re: mounting steps |
I wouldn't worry about it too much. Some of the weld will be visible but no big
deal. As long as you clear the flaps, it should be fine.
John
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| Subject: | Re: Testing fuel tank with 100LL |
> I have heard some used a Cherrymax rivet with pro-seal, I am not familiar with
which rivet to use. Anyone with any ideas?
Check out blind rivets at Aircraft Spruce. The AN 41H is a good example of a closed
end blind rivet. I think Cherrymax has it as BSPQ-41. Higher numbers, such
as 42, 43, etc, are grip length.
John
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| Subject: | Re: GRT AHRS Mounting and CG |
I'm sticking with my already completed installation.
I built a shelf across the longerons just aft of the bay containing the
AP servo. The magnetometers are mounted on the left side to maximize the
distance from the servo and the strobe power unit mounted on the right wall.
I purchased Van's AHRS shelf which mounts on the floor next to the AP
servo. The GRT AHRS holes are pre-drilled and the shelf appears to be
properly aligned.
This puts the Magnetometers and AHRS exactly 18" apart. The
Magnetometers are 23" from the AP servo and 24+ from the stobe power unit.
I hope it all works well.
Chris wrote:
>
> Good points Bill. I decided to make the shelf for the magnetometers
> just ahead of the seat belt attach. I am putting another shelf forward
> of that slightly aft of the battery to hold the AHRS. Both units will
> be completely aligned though separated based on GRTs inputs that the
> AHRS can cause some disturbance in the magnetometer.
>
> -Chris Lucas
>
> #40072
>
> *From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Bill
> DeRouchey
> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 04, 2009 1:40 PM
> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* RE: RV10-List: Re: GRT AHRS Mounting and CG
>
> Guys-
>
> I have not been following this thread so my comments may have already
> been covered.
>
> The best place to locate a magnometer (and/or the AHRS if they do not
> interfer with one another) is on a shelf that spans the fuselage
> laterally between the three longeron bolts that secure the aft seat
> belt attachment. This location has four good advantages:
>
> I have measured the magnetic interference and this location is the
> farthest distance from the autopilot elevator servo and the elevator
> trim servo. Do not underestimate the interference from the little trim
> servo - it is more of a problem than the autopilot.
>
> A shelf in this orientation is automatically aligned with the pitch
> and roll axis.
>
> If the sensor contains accelerometers or rate gyros it will function
> more accurately along the centerline of the fuselage than a wing tip.
>
> This location is far from the baggage compartment and the
> unpredictable magnetic forces contained in the unpredictable baggage.
>
> Also - you will never get a sensor accurately aligned in a wing tip. I
> just had a good example of how the wing will move about between ground
> and air.
>
> Bill DeRouchey
>
> N939SB
>
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Hi guys
I came home with a quart of Proseal and hardener from Airventure and recall
people putting the Proseal in a freezer to extend its shelf life.
The expiry date is Nov 2009, and since I won't be starting the tail section
until at least Sept, I am wondering if it's unopened, if it matters? Also
did anyone freeze the hardener as well?
Thx in advance.......
Rick
#40956
Southampton, Ont
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| Subject: | Re: GRT AHRS Mounting and CG |
> I'm sticking with my already completed installation.
>
> I built a shelf across the longerons just aft of the bay containing the
> AP servo. The magnetometers are mounted on the left side to maximize the
> distance from the servo and the strobe power unit mounted on the right wall.
>
> I purchased Van's AHRS shelf which mounts on the floor next to the AP
> servo. The GRT AHRS holes are pre-drilled and the shelf appears to be
> properly aligned.
>
> This puts the Magnetometers and AHRS exactly 18" apart. The
> Magnetometers are 23" from the AP servo and 24+ from the stobe power unit.
>
> I hope it all works well.
The Van's AHRS shelf sounds like a possibility. Van's drawing shows it on the left
side, can it be mounted on the right? I've already got the A/P servo on that
side.
John
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I store it in the frig not the freezer. It seems to work even after
couple of years of storage.
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On Aug 5, 2009, at 9:05 AM, Sandra & Rick Lark wrote:
> <jrlark@bmts.com>
>
> Hi guys
>
> I came home with a quart of Proseal and hardener from Airventure and
> recall
> people putting the Proseal in a freezer to extend its shelf life.
>
> The expiry date is Nov 2009, and since I won't be starting the tail
> section
> until at least Sept, I am wondering if it's unopened, if it
> matters? Also
> did anyone freeze the hardener as well?
>
> Thx in advance.......
>
> Rick
> #40956
> Southampton, Ont
>
>
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I do not know about the freezer, it is not water based. Refer might be preferred
if there is no smell.
I do know that I had Van's 2 oz kit (bought last Oct) in my very cold garage all
winter, and have used it with good results all this summer. Garage is in the
40's most of the winter.
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Rick;
I do keep the proseal in the freezer. I have used it about a year over
exp date for non essential areas. I wouldn't hesitate using it on the
trailing edges/to bond the rudder/elevator if it was a little over the
exp date. I would not use it for the tanks. All you have to do is look
at the recent posts with all the trouble one has to go thru if you have
a leaking tank. Some have even repainted their airplanes. Messes up
the paint scheme which can take months to develop.
Dr Fred.
Sandra & Rick Lark wrote:
>
> Hi guys
>
> I came home with a quart of Proseal and hardener from Airventure and
> recall
> people putting the Proseal in a freezer to extend its shelf life.
>
> The expiry date is Nov 2009, and since I won't be starting the tail
> section
> until at least Sept, I am wondering if it's unopened, if it matters?
> Also
> did anyone freeze the hardener as well?
>
> Thx in advance.......
>
> Rick
> #40956
> Southampton, Ont
>
>
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Hi Rick=2C
I put both parts in the refrigerator. It's a little stiff when you take it
out but it has worked fine. Can't comment on the freezer idea.
Vern Smith (N44QT finishing)
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> From: jrlark@bmts.com
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV10-List: proseal
> Date: Wed=2C 5 Aug 2009 09:05:48 -0400
>
>
> Hi guys
>
> I came home with a quart of Proseal and hardener from Airventure and reca
ll
> people putting the Proseal in a freezer to extend its shelf life.
>
> The expiry date is Nov 2009=2C and since I won't be starting the tail sec
tion
> until at least Sept=2C I am wondering if it's unopened=2C if it matters?
Also
> did anyone freeze the hardener as well?
>
> Thx in advance.......
>
> Rick
> #40956
> Southampton=2C Ont
>
>
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I know some manufacturers had/have FAA approval for storing in
freezer, followed by microwaving so many seconds(of course only works
for non-metal sem-tubes). Like others, I store mine in hangar
refrig..adds to beer and soda flavor. ;-)
On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 6:30 AM, Rob Kermanj<flysrv10@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I store it in the frig not the freezer. It seems to work even after couple
> of years of storage.
>
> do not archive.
>
> On Aug 5, 2009, at 9:05 AM, Sandra & Rick Lark wrote:
>
>>
>> Hi guys
>>
>> I came home with a quart of Proseal and hardener from Airventure and
>> recall
>> people putting the Proseal in a freezer to extend its shelf life.
>>
>> The expiry date is Nov 2009, and since I won't be starting the tail
>> section
>> until at least Sept, I am wondering if it's unopened, if it matters? Also
>> did anyone freeze the hardener as well?
>>
>> Thx in advance.......
>>
>> Rick
>> #40956
>> Southampton, Ont
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Testing fuel tank with 100LL |
Thanks for the help! I was leaning towards retesting the tank with fuel bef
ore painting and the feedback just confirms it. Kind of miss the old welde
d tanks on the Cessna.
Vern
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I would recommend keeping it cool at least, you will need it later in the
project and it will keep for a long time if it is kept out of the heat. In
the winter I kept my in the garage and in the spring, summer and fall, I
kept it in the refrigerator. I did not have any problem with it setting up.
Rene' Felker
RV-10 N423CF Flying
801-721-6080
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Sandra & Rick
Lark
Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 7:06 AM
Subject: RV10-List: proseal
Hi guys
I came home with a quart of Proseal and hardener from Airventure and recall
people putting the Proseal in a freezer to extend its shelf life.
The expiry date is Nov 2009, and since I won't be starting the tail section
until at least Sept, I am wondering if it's unopened, if it matters? Also
did anyone freeze the hardener as well?
Thx in advance.......
Rick
#40956
Southampton, Ont
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Put it in the freezer and it should be fine for the tail kit.
You may want to buy a quart or more of new when you get to
the fuel tanks. This stuff you can use for misc. jobs
for a couple years at least if you keep it in the freezer,
but use new for your fuel tanks.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
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Sandra & Rick Lark wrote:
>
> Hi guys
>
> I came home with a quart of Proseal and hardener from Airventure and recall
> people putting the Proseal in a freezer to extend its shelf life.
>
> The expiry date is Nov 2009, and since I won't be starting the tail section
> until at least Sept, I am wondering if it's unopened, if it matters? Also
> did anyone freeze the hardener as well?
>
> Thx in advance.......
>
> Rick
> #40956
> Southampton, Ont
>
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| Subject: | Re: Testing fuel tank with 100LL |
Cherrymax are "approved" replacements for solid AD rivets where the rivet
can not be bucked. They are significantly more costly than the blind rivets
supplied with the kit.
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of johngoodman
Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 5:18 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: Testing fuel tank with 100LL
--> <johngoodman@earthlink.net>
> I have heard some used a Cherrymax rivet with pro-seal, I am not familiar
with which rivet to use. Anyone with any ideas?
Check out blind rivets at Aircraft Spruce. The AN 41H is a good example of a
closed end blind rivet. I think Cherrymax has it as BSPQ-41. Higher numbers,
such as 42, 43, etc, are grip length.
John
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel tank leaks |
I saw several aircraft at OSH with fuel leaks and I have a very small one on
mine too. After studying the issue, I think that the problem for some of
the tanks that test solid at first and then develop leaks later is that most
people put the wing walk non skid too far forward (myself included). There
are no extra ribs in the fuel tank like there is in the wing itself. Thus
it will flex more if stepped on. Thus causing leaks.
I mentioned this to Ken Kreuger and he had also come to this conclusion. I
think that the long term solution is to add a few extra ribs in the tank to
take up the stress as it is very difficult not to step on the forward part
of the wing while helping folks into the rear seat if it is their first
ride. Also one could label the tank as a non step area.
Thoughts on this?
Gary Specketer
40274
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For future reference, the wheel kit supplied with the 10 is Cleveland kit
199104A consisting of brake assembly 30-59A and wheel assembly 40-59A. A
40-59A chrome is available. Cleveland publishes a product catalog which is
illustrated with part numbers. Rapco also makes some replacement parts for
Cleveland wheels/brakes; their part numbers start with RA and then the
Cleveland number. Of course the nose wheel is from Matco and may be either
their 501.25 or 511.25 depending on whether you switched the uninstalled
Van's supplied nose wheel with Matco for a more appropriate one. Matco also
sells the RV10 axle which fixes the fork scoring problem in the Vans design.
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel tank leaks |
I did not put the wing walk forward on the tank because it invites feet...Is this
leaking mainly on the QB's?
Rick Sked
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From: gary
Sender: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
ReplyTo: Rv
Sent: Aug 5, 2009 8:43 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Fuel tank leaks
I saw several aircraft at OSH with fuel leaks and I have a very small one on
mine too. After studying the issue, I think that the problem for some of
the tanks that test solid at first and then develop leaks later is that most
people put the wing walk non skid too far forward (myself included). There
are no extra ribs in the fuel tank like there is in the wing itself. Thus
it will flex more if stepped on. Thus causing leaks.
I mentioned this to Ken Kreuger and he had also come to this conclusion. I
think that the long term solution is to add a few extra ribs in the tank to
take up the stress as it is very difficult not to step on the forward part
of the wing while helping folks into the rear seat if it is their first
ride. Also one could label the tank as a non step area.
Thoughts on this?
Gary Specketer
40274
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel tank leaks |
So far no problem with mine, and there is wing walk on them.
grumpy
N184JM
100+ hours and 2 yrs
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On Aug 5, 2009, at 12:39 PM, ricksked@embarqmail.com wrote:
>
> I did not put the wing walk forward on the tank because it invites
> feet...Is this leaking mainly on the QB's?
>
> Rick Sked
>
> ------Original Message------
> From: gary
> Sender: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> To: Rv
> ReplyTo: Rv
> Sent: Aug 5, 2009 8:43 AM
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Fuel tank leaks
>
>
> I saw several aircraft at OSH with fuel leaks and I have a very
> small one on
> mine too. After studying the issue, I think that the problem for
> some of
> the tanks that test solid at first and then develop leaks later is
> that most
> people put the wing walk non skid too far forward (myself
> included). There
> are no extra ribs in the fuel tank like there is in the wing
> itself. Thus
> it will flex more if stepped on. Thus causing leaks.
>
> I mentioned this to Ken Kreuger and he had also come to this
> conclusion. I
> think that the long term solution is to add a few extra ribs in the
> tank to
> take up the stress as it is very difficult not to step on the
> forward part
> of the wing while helping folks into the rear seat if it is their
> first
> ride. Also one could label the tank as a non step area.
>
> Thoughts on this?
>
> Gary Specketer
> 40274
>
>
> Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel tank leaks |
My QBs were done 3/2005 and we never stand on the tanks; no leaks at 190 TT.
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
ricksked@embarqmail.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 10:39 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Fuel tank leaks
I did not put the wing walk forward on the tank because it invites feet...Is
this leaking mainly on the QB's?
Rick Sked
------Original Message------
From: gary
Sender: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
ReplyTo: Rv
Sent: Aug 5, 2009 8:43 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Fuel tank leaks
I saw several aircraft at OSH with fuel leaks and I have a very small one on
mine too. After studying the issue, I think that the problem for some of
the tanks that test solid at first and then develop leaks later is that most
people put the wing walk non skid too far forward (myself included). There
are no extra ribs in the fuel tank like there is in the wing itself. Thus
it will flex more if stepped on. Thus causing leaks.
I mentioned this to Ken Kreuger and he had also come to this conclusion. I
think that the long term solution is to add a few extra ribs in the tank to
take up the stress as it is very difficult not to step on the forward part
of the wing while helping folks into the rear seat if it is their first
ride. Also one could label the tank as a non step area.
Thoughts on this?
Gary Specketer
40274
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One other thing; I have had two occasions to buy replacement parts and found
Vans prices to be much better than Aircraft Spruce and others. Probably
should check there first.
_____
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David McNeill
Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 10:30 AM
Subject: RV10-List: For reference
For future reference, the wheel kit supplied with the 10 is Cleveland kit
199104A consisting of brake assembly 30-59A and wheel assembly 40-59A. A
40-59A chrome is available. Cleveland publishes a product catalog which is
illustrated with part numbers. Rapco also makes some replacement parts for
Cleveland wheels/brakes; their part numbers start with RA and then the
Cleveland number. Of course the nose wheel is from Matco and may be either
their 501.25 or 511.25 depending on whether you switched the uninstalled
Van's supplied nose wheel with Matco for a more appropriate one. Matco also
sells the RV10 axle which fixes the fork scoring problem in the Vans design.
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| Subject: | Re: Forward Slips |
Lol...Thats my plan!!!! But you can't help but think of a claims examiner reviewing
the GPS track such as the one the NTSB has in their detailed report for Dan's
crash. Seems they could question coverage if no acro was specified in the
policy, not that I would care much since I would most likely not be needing any
cash except the heavens gate toll....If I'm lucky or bribe money to get out
of HE double toothpicks!!!
Rick "Straight and level no more than 60 degree bank" Sked
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From: "Tim Olson" <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 4, 2009 8:10:40 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Forward Slips
Rick,
Make sure that if you're going to hit the ground, you NEVER do it
with bank angles of over 90 degrees or inverted. If you always
try to hit the ground wings level, 70-80kts, slightly nose above
the horizon, there shouldn't be many opportunities for you to
use in-flight insurance. ;)
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
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ricksked@embarqmail.com wrote:
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> That may be (aerobatics) but my insurance is null and void past 90
> degrees angle of bank. or inverted..so Linn when you get here
> remember that or we will talk!!! He said with a big smile!!!! Sent
> via BlackBerry by AT&T
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> -----Original Message----- From: Linn Walters
> <pitts_pilot@bellsouth.net>
>
> Date: Tue, 04 Aug 2009 21:55:04 To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Forward Slips
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> <pitts_pilot@bellsouth.net>
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> When you say departure ..... does it want to enter a spin??? What is
> the elevator position in all this??? Nose high (aft stick) and
> cross-controlled rudder/aileron is pretty much asking for a spin.
> And guaranteed to get you one. Which begs the question .... anyone
> have experience with spins in the -10?? Reply off-list if you're
> sensitive to flaming! Linn ..... aerobatics is the most fun thing you
> can do with your clothes on!!!
>
> Miller John wrote:
>> I had the chance to try this today (I normally only slip with flaps
>> down).
>>
>> What Jason describes is the early onset to a departure from
>> controlled flight (depart) due to loss of directional stability.
>> Much worse slipping to the left than to the right due to engine
>> torque (tends to try to depart underneath.....not good).
>>
>> At 90 kts I could not get it to come close to departing with full
>> rudder and opposite aileron, but as I slowed 80 kts, you can
>> definitely get it to depart if you don't know what the seat of your
>> pants is telling you (I did literally scores of intentional
>> departure from controlled flight maneuvers in my A-7D days in the
>> AF). You can quickly break the departure by simply unloading back
>> pressure on the stick (in the A-7, we released the stick altogether
>> until the airplane recovered itself (usually very nose low).
>>
>> The departure happens when the rudder loses effectiveness,
>> compounded by the wing low and opposite rudder.
>>
>> Somewhere in my early RV days, I was told that if you want to slip
>> the an RV, you need to make sure the nose is well below the horizon
>> to ensure that you do not lose rudder effectiveness. This is
>> especially true of the earlier RV models and their even shorter
>> height rudder than the -10. Avoid level attitude or nose up slips.
>>
>>
>> I would encourage each of you -10 owners to practice the no flap
>> slip (above 5,000' AGL in to have a comfortable recovery margin in
>> case you do inadvertently depart the bird). You need to feel for
>> yourselves the approach to departure feel that you get through the
>> seat of your pants.
>>
>> Trim your airplane up for hands off at about 100 kts, power setting
>> idle, then start your slip maneuver near level flight attitude.
>> Once you feel that yaw in the seat of your pants, simply release
>> release the rudder while simultaneously releasing stick back
>> pressure to the neutral position.
>>
>> Then remember the secret to a slip in the -10: keep the nose low
>> and use about 90 kts no flap and 80 kts with flaps.
>>
>> Hope this helps out grumpy N184JM
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Doesn't have to be in the freezer .... just keep it cold. The hardener
is the part that goes bad with age. I've tested really old Proseal with
fresh hardener and it cured.
Linn
Sandra & Rick Lark wrote:
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> Hi guys
>
> I came home with a quart of Proseal and hardener from Airventure and recall
> people putting the Proseal in a freezer to extend its shelf life.
>
> The expiry date is Nov 2009, and since I won't be starting the tail section
> until at least Sept, I am wondering if it's unopened, if it matters? Also
> did anyone freeze the hardener as well?
>
> Thx in advance.......
>
> Rick
> #40956
> Southampton, Ont
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I put leftover proseal from my tanks in the freezer for 3-4 years now. I needed
to use some for the cabin top riveting recently and actually threw both parts
in the microwave to warm up enough to mix (I wouldn't recommend this for any
large qty) and had no problems with it. Setup just like it was new. YMMV and
I would recommend a test batch for any that is past the recommended date.
Michael
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Sandra & Rick Lark
Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 8:06 AM
Subject: RV10-List: proseal
Hi guys
I came home with a quart of Proseal and hardener from Airventure and recall
people putting the Proseal in a freezer to extend its shelf life.
The expiry date is Nov 2009, and since I won't be starting the tail section
until at least Sept, I am wondering if it's unopened, if it matters? Also
did anyone freeze the hardener as well?
Thx in advance.......
Rick
#40956
Southampton, Ont
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| Subject: | Non WAAS GNS-430 Trades |
Hi All,
One last note to see if there are any of you floating around out there with
Non WAAS GNS-430's that have zero flight time on them.... A number of you
had responded to my last note about a month or so ago, but my customer still
wants more so I'm checking again. Here's the deal:
I need GNS-430's that are either new in the box, or installed but NEVER
flown (zero flight time). If you have one, we'll trade you a brand spankin
new GNS-430W for your efforts. It sounds to good to be true, but it's not.
One of my customers is a major military contractor who got themselves into a
pickle with a certain project and ended up short on the 430's. The have to
be Non WAAS because they are in Europe, and they need to match the rest of
the fleet.
If you have one, please contact me off list ASAP. I'm sorry but we can't
use "almost new" or "as good as new" or "only one flight" units, they have
to be new never used.
Thanks and have a great week,
Stein
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| Subject: | Re: GRT AHRS Mounting and CG |
johngoodman wrote:
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>> I'm sticking with my already completed installation.
>>
>> I built a shelf across the longerons just aft of the bay containing the
>> AP servo. The magnetometers are mounted on the left side to maximize the
>> distance from the servo and the strobe power unit mounted on the right wall.
>>
>> I purchased Van's AHRS shelf which mounts on the floor next to the AP
>> servo. The GRT AHRS holes are pre-drilled and the shelf appears to be
>> properly aligned.
>>
>> This puts the Magnetometers and AHRS exactly 18" apart. The
>> Magnetometers are 23" from the AP servo and 24+ from the stobe power unit.
>>
>> I hope it all works well.
>>
>
>
> The Van's AHRS shelf sounds like a possibility. Van's drawing shows it on the
left side, can it be mounted on the right? I've already got the A/P servo on
that side.
> John
>
I think it is left side only unless they made a right side. Did you
install something other than TruTrak? My TruTrak servo is on the right.
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Thx for all the replies with regards to proseal. It's already sitting
beside the BudLight in the shop refrigerator.
Regards,
Rick
#40956
Southampton, Ont
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I hear it is Light sensitive. Probably safer next to Molson. ;-)
On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 2:22 PM, Rick and Sandra Lark<jrlark@bmts.com> wrote:
> Thx for all the replies with regards to proseal. It's already sitting
> beside the BudLight in the shop refrigerator.
> Regards,
> Rick
> #40956
> Southampton, Ont
>
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Bud Light? I thought you all drank Labatts up there?
On Aug 5, 2009, at 2:22 PM, Rick and Sandra Lark wrote:
> Thx for all the replies with regards to proseal. It's already
> sitting beside the BudLight in the shop refrigerator.
> Regards,
> Rick
> #40956
> Southampton, Ont
>
> Do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel tank leaks |
Gary, you are right on. I can't say for sure, but it seems to me that the majority
of the leaking rivets are the end rivets that hold the T1011 Tank Stiffeners
on the top inboard tank skin. This would make sense as this is where the
stress concentration would be if the tank were stepped on. These stiffeners do
not tie into the ribs, if they did, the problem MIGHT go away. While we did
not use the tank as a step I can not confirm that it was never stood on during
construction, I know it was sat on. If I were standing on it I could tell you
how many foot pounds of force it saw, two, the units for measuring the force
exerted by sitting must be different. Any takers??
Not standing or sitting, or placing anything heavy on the tank may very well save
builders from this rather annoying problem.
Just my engineering opinion.
Jason Kreidler
N44YH - Flying - #40617
4 Partner Build - Sheboygan Falls, WI
Wayne Elsner, Kyle Hokel, Tony Kolar, Jason Kreidler
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=256256#256256
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| Subject: | RV Smoke Systems |
Dear Listers,
Last week, someone posted a couple of pictures of 37 RVs flying in formation at
OSH this year. Very cool, btw. But what caught my eye was how many of them
had smoke systems installed. I found the following at ACS which looks interesting,
but kind of big for an RV-8:
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/appages/sa102-103.php
Is this what people are using?
Where would one mount this system in an RV-8? Behind the baggage area? In the
engine compartment?
Seems really cool to have one of these systems, but are they just a big pain in
the ass to maintain?
Thanks for the thoughts,
Matt Dralle
RV-8 #82880 N998RV
FWF Starts This Weekend!
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Yeah, well......I thought I'd mention a beer you all could relate
to....Coors, Miller, Anheuser Bush,
Labatts....Molsons...Doesn't matter much.
Actually I visit south of the border so much that I've gotten to like
them all.
Rick
>Bud Light? I thought you all drank Labatts up there?
>On Aug 5, 2009, at 2:22 PM, Rick and Sandra Lark wrote:
> Thx for all the replies with regards to proseal. It's already
> sitting beside the BudLight in the shop refrigerator.
> Regards,
> Rick
> #40956
> Southampton, Ont
>
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