---------------------------------------------------------- RV10-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 08/13/09: 18 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 07:22 AM - Re: Sturm und Drang (Don McDonald) 2. 08:14 AM - Re: Door seal info (fdombroski) 3. 10:17 AM - Re: Re: Door seal info (Deems Davis) 4. 11:18 AM - Re: Seatbelt countersink (Lew Gallagher) 5. 12:24 PM - Re: Re: Door seal info (Geoff Combs) 6. 12:42 PM - Re: Re: Door seal info (Robin Marks) 7. 01:18 PM - Re: RV10 Interior (aerosport1) 8. 01:22 PM - Re: Re: Door seal info (Pascal) 9. 01:28 PM - Re: Crushed oil filter (aviationpro) 10. 01:39 PM - Re: RV10 Interior (aerosport1) 11. 02:55 PM - Re: Re: Door seal info (Fred Williams, M.D.) 12. 03:41 PM - Re: Re: RV10 Interior (Condrey, Bob (US SSA)) 13. 03:41 PM - Re: Re: Door seal info (Les Kearney) 14. 03:51 PM - Re: Re: Door seal info (Linn Walters) 15. 03:51 PM - Re: Re: RV10 Interior (Kelly McMullen) 16. 04:13 PM - Re: Re: RV10 Interior (John Cox) 17. 05:00 PM - Re: Re: Door seal info (Les Kearney) 18. 05:52 PM - Re: Re: Door seal info (effectus@rogers.com) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 07:22:00 AM PST US From: Don McDonald Subject: Re: RV10-List: Sturm und Drang Way to go Tim.... seems like only yesterday for me also..... but Tim,,,, it 's YEE HAH! --- On Wed, 8/12/09, Dawson-Townsend,Timothy wrote: From: Dawson-Townsend,Timothy Subject: RV10-List: Sturm und Drang The N52KS Lycoming has breathed fire and made that thing on the front of the airplane spin around for the first time!- Yeah hah! Tim Dawson-Townsend 40025 =0A=0A=0A ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 08:14:14 AM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: Door seal info From: "fdombroski" Hi Deems, do you think the smaller diameter material (1/8" tube) would require less install grinding, but still seal the door? Thanks, Frank -------- Frank Dombroski RV-10 N46WD Flying RV-8 N84FD final assembly N40 Sky Manor Airport Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=257480#257480 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 10:17:31 AM PST US From: Deems Davis Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Door seal info I think it would we worth a try. I don't see anything that would prevent it. You would have to be more accurate and careful as you removed material, but I think it should worl as long as that channel is the same size as the intial. You could always order a 13 ft piece and try it. Deems Davis fdombroski wrote: > > Hi Deems, do you think the smaller diameter material (1/8" tube) would require less install grinding, but still seal the door? > > Thanks, > Frank > > -------- > Frank Dombroski > RV-10 N46WD Flying > RV-8 N84FD final assembly > N40 Sky Manor Airport > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=257480#257480 > > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 11:18:00 AM PST US From: "Lew Gallagher" Subject: Re: RV10-List: Seatbelt countersink Hey Eric, The sealtbelt countersink arrived here today from Mike in MN !! Let me know if you still need it and I'll get it off to you tomorrow. If there are others interested, now would be the time to start a new list. Later, - Lew ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eric_Kallio" Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2009 7:37 PM Subject: RV10-List: Seatbelt countersink > > Anyone have a list for the seatbelt countersink? I am just about to the > point where I will need to buy it if I can't get my hands on one. Thanks. > > Eric Kallio > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=256434#256434 > > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 12:24:50 PM PST US From: "Geoff Combs" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Door seal info Frank I do not think 1/8" would be wise if you need to grind down the flange more to accommodate for the smaller attach thickness 1/8". That flange Gives good strength to the fiber glass top. I actually made my flanges for a 1/4" instead of the 3/16". Just my thoughts. Geoff Combs President Aerosport Modeling & Design 8090 Howe Industrial Parkway Canal Winchester, Ohio 43110 614-834-5227p 614-834-5230f www.aerosportmodeling.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Deems Davis Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2009 1:10 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Door seal info I think it would we worth a try. I don't see anything that would prevent it. You would have to be more accurate and careful as you removed material, but I think it should worl as long as that channel is the same size as the intial. You could always order a 13 ft piece and try it. Deems Davis fdombroski wrote: > > Hi Deems, do you think the smaller diameter material (1/8" tube) would > require less install grinding, but still seal the door? > > Thanks, > Frank > > -------- > Frank Dombroski > RV-10 N46WD Flying > RV-8 N84FD final assembly > N40 Sky Manor Airport > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=257480#257480 > > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 12:42:07 PM PST US Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Door seal info From: "Robin Marks" Everyone can make their own choices as to what materials & dimensions however I can tell you I am totally satisfied with our door seal set up (exactly like Deems) and would not change our configuration. Robin Do Not Archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Deems Davis Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2009 10:10 AM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Door seal info I think it would we worth a try. I don't see anything that would prevent it. You would have to be more accurate and careful as you removed material, but I think it should worl as long as that channel is the same size as the intial. You could always order a 13 ft piece and try it. Deems Davis fdombroski wrote: > > Hi Deems, do you think the smaller diameter material (1/8" tube) would require less install grinding, but still seal the door? > > Thanks, > Frank > > -------- > Frank Dombroski > RV-10 N46WD Flying > RV-8 N84FD final assembly > N40 Sky Manor Airport > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=257480#257480 > > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 01:18:20 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: RV10 Interior From: "aerosport1" Here are some pictures of what will be available with in the next 30 days. I am working on interior panels for the RV-10. They will be able to be covered or painted to color match. There will be front side wall panels as well. The vents you see will have a slider in the slot in the middle to open and close side vents if you are keeping them. They will be available through Aerosport Products. We have many other items like are carbon fiber instrument panels and arm rest center console. Geoff -------- Geoff Combs RV-10 QB N829GW Finishing Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=257534#257534 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_2286_170.jpg ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 01:22:19 PM PST US From: "Pascal" Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Door seal info I had a heck of a time getting the doors to be flush with the stock Van's seals, how in the world did you get a flush fit with a larger seal? the idea is to get a good seal without needing to do major work to have the doors flush, the idea of 1/8 seal takes nothing away from the flange or anything else, unless it is not large enough, in my case it would have been fine since the doors were 3/16 out with the seals, 1/8th would have worked great for me in retrospect, but it works just fine now with the stock seals. So fit the doors perfectly with the flanges than fit the seals, assure there is no gaps whatever size is used and call it success, 3/16 IS too much however without needing work. Pascal -------------------------------------------------- From: "Geoff Combs" Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2009 12:22 PM Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Door seal info > > > Frank I do not think 1/8" would be wise if you need to grind down the > flange > more to accommodate for the smaller attach thickness 1/8". That flange > Gives good strength to the fiber glass top. I actually made my flanges for > a > 1/4" instead of the 3/16". > > > Just my thoughts. > > Geoff Combs > President > Aerosport Modeling & Design > 8090 Howe Industrial Parkway > Canal Winchester, Ohio 43110 > 614-834-5227p > 614-834-5230f > www.aerosportmodeling.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Deems Davis > Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2009 1:10 PM > To: rv10-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Door seal info > > > > I think it would we worth a try. I don't see anything that would prevent > it. You would have to be more accurate and careful as you removed > material, but I think it should worl as long as that channel is the same > size as the intial. You could always order a 13 ft piece and try it. > > Deems Davis > > fdombroski wrote: >> >> Hi Deems, do you think the smaller diameter material (1/8" tube) would >> require less install grinding, but still seal the door? >> >> Thanks, >> Frank >> >> -------- >> Frank Dombroski >> RV-10 N46WD Flying >> RV-8 N84FD final assembly >> N40 Sky Manor Airport >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=257480#257480 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 01:28:14 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: Crushed oil filter From: "aviationpro" After reading your post and reviewing your pics it reminded me of other complaints I have seen regarding oil filters. Just a note - oil filters do not burst or collapse on their own - the chances of that happening are slim to none. There is another issue causing that condition. Here is a link to a gentleman posting on the AOPA forum in which he blames the oil filter for a problem and then goes on to claim how the company was selling defective parts, putting pilots and their passengers in jeopardy and demanding an FAA investigation much like this posting. http://forums.aopa.org/showthread.php?t=49420 His mechanic, the overhauler of his engine and all the forum experts told him it was the faulty filter and there was not a problem with his engine. The oil filter manufacturer pleaded with him to look at his lines and evaluate his engine to find the root cause because they knew the filter was not the culprit. Here is his retraction on his false statements about the filter after he found a problem in one of his lines: http://forums.aopa.org/showthread.php?t=50026 As for the article regarding oil filters - I have used Kelly filters for 4 years without any issues at all. The fact that Kelly produces a filter that exceeds the same specs with a thinner wall and less media tells me it is superiorly engineered to the other manufacturers. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=257538#257538 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 01:39:27 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: RV10 Interior From: "aerosport1" Here are some smaller pictures on the side panels. We still have some tweaks to make to them. They will cover the rivet line and can be installed very easily. -------- Geoff Combs RV-10 QB N829GW Finishing Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=257539#257539 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/lf_side_panel_840.jpg ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 02:55:08 PM PST US From: "Fred Williams, M.D." Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Door seal info Pascal; I had to redo the fiberglass and drop the sill down enough to get the seal to fit. You add more layers to the underside and then grind down the top. I got the pleasure of seeing Deem's work at Osh last week. I really think that the process that he describes on his website and what he has done to the hinge area are as good as we can do with this design. I had a fair door fit before I put the seals on, but then could not close the door as the seal pushed up and took up too much room. Pulling the lip down enough to get it to seal fixed the problem. I don't have the gaps filled around the hinges and do not seem to have any significant water or wind thru the gap. I wish I had started out with the seals from Mc Master Carr and had them at the time of initial door fitting. It would have been a whole lot easier to do before I had the wings on and had to keep all the dust out of the avionics. Dr Fred Pascal wrote: > > I had a heck of a time getting the doors to be flush with the stock > Van's seals, how in the world did you get a flush fit with a larger > seal? the idea is to get a good seal without needing to do major work > to have the doors flush, the idea of 1/8 seal takes nothing away from > the flange or anything else, unless it is not large enough, in my case > it would have been fine since the doors were 3/16 out with the seals, > 1/8th would have worked great for me in retrospect, but it works just > fine now with the stock seals. > So fit the doors perfectly with the flanges than fit the seals, assure > there is no gaps whatever size is used and call it success, 3/16 IS > too much however without needing work. > Pascal > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Geoff Combs" > Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2009 12:22 PM > To: > Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Door seal info > >> >> >> Frank I do not think 1/8" would be wise if you need to grind down the >> flange >> more to accommodate for the smaller attach thickness 1/8". That flange >> Gives good strength to the fiber glass top. I actually made my >> flanges for a >> 1/4" instead of the 3/16". >> >> >> Just my thoughts. >> >> Geoff Combs >> President >> Aerosport Modeling & Design >> 8090 Howe Industrial Parkway >> Canal Winchester, Ohio 43110 >> 614-834-5227p >> 614-834-5230f >> www.aerosportmodeling.com >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com >> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Deems Davis >> Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2009 1:10 PM >> To: rv10-list@matronics.com >> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Door seal info >> >> >> >> I think it would we worth a try. I don't see anything that would prevent >> it. You would have to be more accurate and careful as you removed >> material, but I think it should worl as long as that channel is the same >> size as the intial. You could always order a 13 ft piece and try it. >> >> Deems Davis >> >> fdombroski wrote: >>> >>> Hi Deems, do you think the smaller diameter material (1/8" tube) would >>> require less install grinding, but still seal the door? >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Frank >>> >>> -------- >>> Frank Dombroski >>> RV-10 N46WD Flying >>> RV-8 N84FD final assembly >>> N40 Sky Manor Airport >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Read this topic online here: >>> >>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=257480#257480 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 03:41:30 PM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: RV10 Interior From: "Condrey, Bob (US SSA)" Many of us got to see the panels, etc. At OSH. These are a major step forward for those who have the goal of a car like interior. ------Original Message------ From: Geoff Combs ReplyTo: rv10-list@matronics.com Subject: RV10-List: Re: RV10 Interior Sent: Aug 13, 2009 3:17 PM Here are some pictures of what will be available with in the next 30 days. I am working on interior panels for the RV-10. They will be able to be covered or painted to color match. There will be front side wall panels as well. The vents you see will have a slider in the slot in the middle to open and close side vents if you are keeping them. They will be available through Aerosport Products. We have many other items like are carbon fiber instrument panels and arm rest center console. Geoff -------- Geoff Combs RV-10 QB N829GW Finishing Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=257534#257534 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_2286_170.jpg Bob ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 03:41:32 PM PST US From: "Les Kearney" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Door seal info Hi Pascal The McMaster Carr seals require that you grind down the canopy door flanges until they are parallel to the door. The seal fit on this flange with the bulb against the door. This gives a great seal. I don't see how you can get a good result by fitting the doors first and then fitting the seals. Any kind of seal will impact the door geometry. As I understand it, the preferred course of action is to fit the doors with seals in place and then use epoxy etc to give a flush fit all the way around, feathering out to give a smooth transition between the door and the canopy. Doing this before the seals are installed just means more rework. Today I spent several hours getting my second door to fit (the first worked out very nicely right off the bat). Ultimately I had to shim the two delrin door blocks so as to provide a bit more space between the door and the seals. Now the doors close easily although I will need a pull strap in the center of the door to pull the door into the opening. A couple of pounds of pull in the center of the door is all that I need. I don't like the idea of using the door handle to pull the door closed as it doesn't seem like it was designed to take that kind of twisting pull. That's just my $0.02 though. Cheers Les #40643 - fitting doors & seals -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Pascal Sent: August-13-09 2:22 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Door seal info I had a heck of a time getting the doors to be flush with the stock Van's seals, how in the world did you get a flush fit with a larger seal? the idea is to get a good seal without needing to do major work to have the doors flush, the idea of 1/8 seal takes nothing away from the flange or anything else, unless it is not large enough, in my case it would have been fine since the doors were 3/16 out with the seals, 1/8th would have worked great for me in retrospect, but it works just fine now with the stock seals. So fit the doors perfectly with the flanges than fit the seals, assure there is no gaps whatever size is used and call it success, 3/16 IS too much however without needing work. Pascal -------------------------------------------------- From: "Geoff Combs" Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2009 12:22 PM Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Door seal info > > > Frank I do not think 1/8" would be wise if you need to grind down the > flange > more to accommodate for the smaller attach thickness 1/8". That flange > Gives good strength to the fiber glass top. I actually made my flanges for > a > 1/4" instead of the 3/16". > > > Just my thoughts. > > Geoff Combs > President > Aerosport Modeling & Design > 8090 Howe Industrial Parkway > Canal Winchester, Ohio 43110 > 614-834-5227p > 614-834-5230f > www.aerosportmodeling.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Deems Davis > Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2009 1:10 PM > To: rv10-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Door seal info > > > > I think it would we worth a try. I don't see anything that would prevent > it. You would have to be more accurate and careful as you removed > material, but I think it should worl as long as that channel is the same > size as the intial. You could always order a 13 ft piece and try it. > > Deems Davis > > fdombroski wrote: >> >> Hi Deems, do you think the smaller diameter material (1/8" tube) would >> require less install grinding, but still seal the door? >> >> Thanks, >> Frank >> >> -------- >> Frank Dombroski >> RV-10 N46WD Flying >> RV-8 N84FD final assembly >> N40 Sky Manor Airport >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=257480#257480 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 03:51:57 PM PST US From: Linn Walters Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Door seal info Les Kearney wrote: > > Hi Pascal > > The McMaster Carr seals require that you grind down the canopy door flanges > until they are parallel to the door. The seal fit on this flange with the > bulb against the door. > Which begs the question: Why not attach the door seal to the door instead of the cabin top?? Linn do not archive > This gives a great seal. I don't see how you can get a good result by > fitting the doors first and then fitting the seals. Any kind of seal will > impact the door geometry. > > As I understand it, the preferred course of action is to fit the doors with > seals in place and then use epoxy etc to give a flush fit all the way > around, feathering out to give a smooth transition between the door and the > canopy. Doing this before the seals are installed just means more rework. > > Today I spent several hours getting my second door to fit (the first worked > out very nicely right off the bat). Ultimately I had to shim the two delrin > door blocks so as to provide a bit more space between the door and the > seals. Now the doors close easily although I will need a pull strap in the > center of the door to pull the door into the opening. A couple of pounds of > pull in the center of the door is all that I need. > > I don't like the idea of using the door handle to pull the door closed as it > doesn't seem like it was designed to take that kind of twisting pull. That's > just my $0.02 though. > > Cheers > > Les > #40643 - fitting doors & seals > ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 03:51:59 PM PST US From: Kelly McMullen Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: RV10 Interior Agreed. Geoff had a full set of samples on hand, and they seem to be of significantly higher quality than the stuff production aircraft used in the '60s and '70s. Nice finish, solid feel, well designed. If I ever get my QB kit from Vans, that is the way I plan on going. Kelly Condrey, Bob (US SSA) wrote: > > Many of us got to see the panels, etc. At OSH. These are a major step forward for those who have the goal of a car like interior. > > > ------Original Message------ > From: Geoff Combs > To: rv10-list@matronics.com > ReplyTo: rv10-list@matronics.com > Subject: RV10-List: Re: RV10 Interior > Sent: Aug 13, 2009 3:17 PM > > > Here are some pictures of what will be available with in the next 30 days. > I am working on interior panels for the RV-10. They will be able to be covered or painted to color match. There will be front side wall panels as > well. The vents you see will have a slider in the slot in the middle to open and close side vents if you are keeping them. > They will be available through Aerosport Products. We have many other items like are carbon fiber instrument panels and arm rest center console. > > Geoff > > -------- > Geoff Combs > RV-10 QB N829GW > Finishing > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=257534#257534 > > > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_2286_170.jpg > > > > > > > > > > Bob > > > > > ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 04:13:09 PM PST US Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: RV10 Interior From: "John Cox" Major step! Beyond anything any RV-10 builder has done to date. It was fun to watch from the sideline as guys scampered over and Geoff teased everyone with Xmas in July - "Wisconsin style" as he removed multiple items from the multiple storage compartments in his land yacht, at Camp Condrey. John -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Condrey, Bob (US SSA) Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2009 3:35 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: RV10 Interior Many of us got to see the panels, etc. At OSH. These are a major step forward for those who have the goal of a car like interior. ------Original Message------ From: Geoff Combs ReplyTo: rv10-list@matronics.com Subject: RV10-List: Re: RV10 Interior Sent: Aug 13, 2009 3:17 PM Here are some pictures of what will be available with in the next 30 days. I am working on interior panels for the RV-10. They will be able to be covered or painted to color match. There will be front side wall panels as well. The vents you see will have a slider in the slot in the middle to open and close side vents if you are keeping them. They will be available through Aerosport Products. We have many other items like are carbon fiber instrument panels and arm rest center console. Geoff -------- Geoff Combs RV-10 QB N829GW Finishing Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=257534#257534 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_2286_170.jpg Bob ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 05:00:57 PM PST US From: "Les Kearney" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Door seal info Linn Here is a link to the door seals. http://www.mcmaster.com/#door-seals/=36cwot It would be tough to make this work on a door given that it is designed to be edge mounted. Besides, this trims off the door opening very nicely - aesthetics count! Cheers Les #40643 - living in a fibreglass world -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Linn Walters Sent: August-13-09 4:51 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Door seal info Les Kearney wrote: > > Hi Pascal > > The McMaster Carr seals require that you grind down the canopy door flanges > until they are parallel to the door. The seal fit on this flange with the > bulb against the door. > Which begs the question: Why not attach the door seal to the door instead of the cabin top?? Linn do not archive > This gives a great seal. I don't see how you can get a good result by > fitting the doors first and then fitting the seals. Any kind of seal will > impact the door geometry. > > As I understand it, the preferred course of action is to fit the doors with > seals in place and then use epoxy etc to give a flush fit all the way > around, feathering out to give a smooth transition between the door and the > canopy. Doing this before the seals are installed just means more rework. > > Today I spent several hours getting my second door to fit (the first worked > out very nicely right off the bat). Ultimately I had to shim the two delrin > door blocks so as to provide a bit more space between the door and the > seals. Now the doors close easily although I will need a pull strap in the > center of the door to pull the door into the opening. A couple of pounds of > pull in the center of the door is all that I need. > > I don't like the idea of using the door handle to pull the door closed as it > doesn't seem like it was designed to take that kind of twisting pull. That's > just my $0.02 though. > > Cheers > > Les > #40643 - fitting doors & seals > ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 05:52:37 PM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Door seal info From: effectus@rogers.com I agree with Les, Robin and Deems. The door seal on the canopy flange is THE way to go! It is a bunch more work but I think it gives the aircraft a much more finished look where impressions count the most. I also saw Deem's plane at OSH and the door opening was finished way better than the others I saw. Dave -----Original Message----- From: "Les Kearney" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Door seal info Linn Here is a link to the door seals. http://www.mcmaster.com/#door-seals/=36cwot It would be tough to make this work on a door given that it is designed to be edge mounted. Besides, this trims off the door opening very nicely - aesthetics count! Cheers Les #40643 - living in a fibreglass world -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Linn Walters Sent: August-13-09 4:51 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Door seal info Les Kearney wrote: > > Hi Pascal > > The McMaster Carr seals require that you grind down the canopy door flanges > until they are parallel to the door. The seal fit on this flange with the > bulb against the door. > Which begs the question: Why not attach the door seal to the door instead of the cabin top?? Linn do not archive > This gives a great seal. I don't see how you can get a good result by > fitting the doors first and then fitting the seals. Any kind of seal will > impact the door geometry. > > As I understand it, the preferred course of action is to fit the doors with > seals in place and then use epoxy etc to give a flush fit all the way > around, feathering out to give a smooth transition between the door and the > canopy. Doing this before the seals are installed just means more rework. > > Today I spent several hours getting my second door to fit (the first worked > out very nicely right off the bat). Ultimately I had to shim the two delrin > door blocks so as to provide a bit more space between the door and the > seals. Now the doors close easily although I will need a pull strap in the > center of the door to pull the door into the opening. A couple of pounds of > pull in the center of the door is all that I need. > > I don't like the idea of using the door handle to pull the door closed as it > doesn't seem like it was designed to take that kind of twisting pull. That's > just my $0.02 though. > > Cheers > > Les > #40643 - fitting doors & seals > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message rv10-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/RV10-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/rv10-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/rv10-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.