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Fri 08/14/09


Total Messages Posted: 18



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     1. 06:13 AM - Photos of Bob Condrey's RV-10 are online (Bob Leffler)
     2. 07:18 AM - Re: Photos of Bob Condrey's RV-10 are online (Robert Brunkenhoefer)
     3. 07:18 AM - Re: Photos of Bob Condrey's RV-10 are online (Les Kearney)
     4. 07:23 AM - Re: Photos of Bob Condrey's RV-10 are online (Perry, Phil)
     5. 08:09 AM - Re: Photos of Bob Condrey's RV-10 are online (John Cox)
     6. 08:24 AM - Re: Photos of Bob Condrey's RV-10 are online (Geoff Combs)
     7. 09:48 AM - VA-189 fuel servo inlet hose fitting question (jayb)
     8. 10:17 AM - Re: Re: Crushed oil filter (Dave Saylor)
     9. 12:11 PM - Re: VA-189 fuel servo inlet hose fitting question (William Curtis)
    10. 01:58 PM - Re: VA-189 fuel servo inlet hose fitting question (jayb)
    11. 02:52 PM - don't buy baffle fasteners (jayb)
    12. 03:04 PM - extra air seal fabric? (jayb)
    13. 03:04 PM - Re: Photos of Bob Condrey's RV-10 are online (bcondrey)
    14. 03:10 PM - Re: don't buy baffle fasteners (Linn Walters)
    15. 03:35 PM - Re: extra air seal fabric? (David McNeill)
    16. 06:12 PM - Oil door hidden hinge (Bill Mauledriver Watson)
    17. 06:19 PM - Re: Oil door hidden hinge (Ron B.)
    18. 08:54 PM - Re: Oil door hidden hinge (Dave Saylor)
 
 
 


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    Time: 06:13:32 AM PST US
    From: "Bob Leffler" <rv@thelefflers.com>
    Subject: Photos of Bob Condrey's RV-10 are online
    Doug just posted these fantastic photos of Bob Condrey's RV-10. http://picasaweb.google.com/VansAirForce/N442PM_RV10# Bob, you can tell Susan she did a great job on selecting the paint scheme! Bob


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    Time: 07:18:04 AM PST US
    From: Robert Brunkenhoefer <rebrunk42@gmail.com>
    Subject: Re: Photos of Bob Condrey's RV-10 are online
    Very nice paint job. Nice looking plane. Robert Sent from my iPhone Robert E. Brunkenhoefer Brunkenhoefer Law Firm, P.C. 520 Lawrence St. Corpus Christi, Texas 78401 Phone: 361-888-8808 Facsimile: 361-888-6753 robert@brunklaw.com On Aug 14, 2009, at 8:03 AM, "Bob Leffler" <rv@thelefflers.com> wrote: > Doug just posted these fantastic photos of Bob Condrey=99s RV-10. > > > http://picasaweb.google.com/VansAirForce/N442PM_RV10# > > > Bob, you can tell Susan she did a great job on selecting the paint > scheme! > > > Bob > >


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    Time: 07:18:47 AM PST US
    From: "Les Kearney" <kearney@shaw.ca>
    Subject: Photos of Bob Condrey's RV-10 are online
    Hi Bob That is a very nice -01 you have. Every time I see another -10 like yours, I start getting drool marks on my monitor. Looking at your panel, I see that it has an interesting looking set of annuciator lights. Was this something you built or is it available online? Cheers Les #40643 _____ From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob Leffler Sent: August-14-09 7:03 AM Subject: RV10-List: Photos of Bob Condrey's RV-10 are online Doug just posted these fantastic photos of Bob Condrey's RV-10. http://picasaweb.google.com/VansAirForce/N442PM_RV10# <http://picasaweb.google.com/VansAirForce/N442PM_RV10> Bob, you can tell Susan she did a great job on selecting the paint scheme! Bob


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    Time: 07:23:07 AM PST US
    Subject: Photos of Bob Condrey's RV-10 are online
    From: "Perry, Phil" <Phil.Perry@netapp.com>
    Very nice, Mr. Condrey!!! I'm looking forward to seeing her at Oshkosh next summer! Phil From: Bob Leffler [mailto:rv@thelefflers.com] Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 8:03 AM Subject: RV10-List: Photos of Bob Condrey's RV-10 are online Doug just posted these fantastic photos of Bob Condrey's RV-10. http://picasaweb.google.com/VansAirForce/N442PM_RV10# <http://picasaweb.google.com/VansAirForce/N442PM_RV10> Bob, you can tell Susan she did a great job on selecting the paint scheme! Bob


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    Time: 08:09:10 AM PST US
    Subject: Photos of Bob Condrey's RV-10 are online
    From: John Cox <johnwcox@pacificnw.com>
    Mr. Leffler - thank you for the timely sharing of Doug's photography. Susan - Remarkable selection of color and graphics. Your efforts and the c ollaboration with Craig @ Scheme Designers raises the bar for the rest of u s (800 strong). The finish is worthy of every penny and a lesson is in the re for those who cut such a valuable corner on the way to completion. The R V-10 deserves such a finish. As I told Bob. WOW! Thanks again for your efforts at Camp Condrey - OSH '09. John From: Bob Leffler Sent: Fri 8/14/2009 6:03 AM Subject: RV10-List: Photos of Bob Condrey's RV-10 are online Doug just posted these fantastic photos of Bob Condrey's RV-10. http://picasaweb.google.com/VansAirForce/N442PM_RV10# Bob, you can tell Susan she did a great job on selecting the paint scheme! Bob


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    Time: 08:24:20 AM PST US
    From: "Geoff Combs" <g.combs@aerosportmodeling.com>
    Subject: Photos of Bob Condrey's RV-10 are online
    Bob your plane looks great. And I would like to say thanks again for Oshkosh. Laurel and I had a great time. Geoff Geoff Combs President Aerosport Modeling & Design 8090 Howe Industrial Parkway Canal Winchester, Ohio 43110 614-834-5227p 614-834-5230f www.aerosportmodeling.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Perry, Phil Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 10:23 AM Subject: RE: RV10-List: Photos of Bob Condrey's RV-10 are online Very nice, Mr. Condrey!!! I'm looking forward to seeing her at Oshkosh next summer! Phil From: Bob Leffler [mailto:rv@thelefflers.com] Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 8:03 AM Subject: RV10-List: Photos of Bob Condrey's RV-10 are online Doug just posted these fantastic photos of Bob Condrey's RV-10. http://picasaweb.google.com/VansAirForce/N442PM_RV10# <http://picasaweb.google.com/VansAirForce/N442PM_RV10> Bob, you can tell Susan she did a great job on selecting the paint scheme! Bob http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution


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    Time: 09:48:05 AM PST US
    Subject: VA-189 fuel servo inlet hose fitting question
    From: "jayb" <jaybrinkmeyer@yahoo.com>
    Those who participated in the non-Van hose "group buy" a while back may want to take note... Can someone tell me if the stock Vans VA-189 hose shown on FF4-3 comes with an integrated 90 degree fitting? My non-Vans hose is straight through and would require an extra fitting to connect properly. It may be possible to find a hose with an integrated fitting (preferred), but if not you'd have to figure out what type and where to get the proper fitting. Thanks in advance for any replies, Jay Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=257657#257657


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    Time: 10:17:34 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Crushed oil filter
    From: Dave Saylor <dave.saylor.aircrafters@gmail.com>
    Here's the statement from the AOPA forum: ************************************************************* Regarding my prior post, "Oil Filter Failure", where my Kelly Aerospace oil filter burst open on the ramp, I have a solution to report. It was NOT the oil filter. My A&P sliced open the hoses that went to my ADC filter adapter and there's a nice, big rubber flap in one hose that was overlooked when the hoses were made up. The in/out orientation was correct when it blew, but it is likely that hose-b got swapped with hose-a when the new engine was installed, therefore the oil direction in the defective hose was against the flap. There had been 4 previous flights where this could have closed, so I'm just thankful it happened on the ramp. I wanted to make it clear that it was not a fault of the oil filter. ******************************************************************************************* FWIW, I can add that you should check all new hoses really well. I've seen several examples of that exact failure, even one from a professional hose shop. A flap in the hose is almost impossible to detect unless you're specifically looking for it, and it's relatively easy to make even using the right tools. -- Dave Saylor AirCrafters LLC 140 Aviation Way Watsonville, CA 95076 831-722-9141 Shop 831-750-0284 Cell


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    Time: 12:11:12 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: VA-189 fuel servo inlet hose fitting question
    From: William Curtis <wcurtis@nerv10.com>
    Yes, this was mentioned on this<http://wcurtis.nerv10.com/20Engine/hose.html>page. http://wcurtis.nerv10.com/20Engine/hose.html I had excluded this hose on my hose order since Mattituck includes this hose but also with the straight fitting. http://wcurtis.nerv10.com/10FFwd/FF3c.html I was able to get a 90 degree AN-AN fitting from AN Plumbing.com. See below. http://wcurtis.nerv10.com/10FFwd/FF3e.html William http://wcurtis.nerv10.com/ On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 12:47 PM, jayb <jaybrinkmeyer@yahoo.com> wrote: > > Those who participated in the non-Van hose "group buy" a while back may > want to take note... > > Can someone tell me if the stock Vans VA-189 hose shown on FF4-3 comes with > an integrated 90 degree fitting? > > My non-Vans hose is straight through and would require an extra fitting to > connect properly. It may be possible to find a hose with an integrated > fitting (preferred), but if not you'd have to figure out what type and where > to get the proper fitting. > > Thanks in advance for any replies, > Jay > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=257657#257657 >


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    Time: 01:58:53 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: VA-189 fuel servo inlet hose fitting question
    From: "jayb" <jaybrinkmeyer@yahoo.com>
    I called Mattituck this morning and after some back and forth, they said maybe they'd trade my unused straight hose that came with the Silverhawk system purchase FROM them to one that had an integrated 90 fitting. Several phone calls later, they said too bad you didn't buy an engine from us, else we'd trade your hose out for another. However, we'd be more than happy to sell you a brand new hose for $290. How generous of them... No thanks. Thanks for the link in the previous reply. Here's another Aeroquip fitting from Summit Racing. It's aluminum, not steel however. Don't know which would be better for the inlet side of the injector servo. Any opinions? http://www.summitracing.com/parts/AER-FBM3155/ Regards, Jay P.S. I have an extra VA-189 straight hose from Precision with fire proof jacket. If interested, contact me offline. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=257696#257696


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    Time: 02:52:00 PM PST US
    Subject: don't buy baffle fasteners
    From: "jayb" <jaybrinkmeyer@yahoo.com>
    These were a waste of money as the screws are much too short to fit through both baffle and black seal material... Twice as long would have been about right. Maybe they're useful elsewhere... http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/appages/bafflefastener.php Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=257702#257702


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    Time: 03:04:11 PM PST US
    Subject: extra air seal fabric?
    From: "jayb" <jaybrinkmeyer@yahoo.com>
    Dang, I need 2 air seal fabric sections long enough to wrap around the bottom part of each cowl air inlet (each 12" x 3" or so) to finish off the baffles. Sorta forgot about those as all the cutting was geared towards the engine seals. Does anyone have extra Vans black air seal fabric lying about that they'd like to sell? Vans only sells 12"x56" rolls @ $41, not by the foot. If so, please contact me offline. Regards, Jay do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=257703#257703


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    Time: 03:04:12 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Photos of Bob Condrey's RV-10 are online
    From: "bcondrey" <bob.condrey@baesystems.com>
    Thanks for the kind words from those that have posted online and also those that sent emails. Plane is now back home in its rightful location! Les: the annunciators (above the radio stack and just above & left of the starter switch) are Honeywell AML-45s. Individually they are about 1.1" wide by .3" high and there is mounting hardware available to cluster them together. They are available with red, green and yellow lenses and are deadface design (can't see anything if they aren't lit). I printed the actual inserts using overhead viewfoils in a laser printer (white on black background). Scott Schmidt also has these in his plane. They are available online, I used http://www.alliedelec.com/. > Looking at your panel, I see that it has an interesting looking set of > annuciator lights. Was this something you built or is it available online? Bob N442PM Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=257704#257704


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    Time: 03:10:06 PM PST US
    From: Linn Walters <pitts_pilot@bellsouth.net>
    Subject: Re: don't buy baffle fasteners
    I've seen these work with the silicone seal material .... or maybe they were a longer version! How long is the collar on the one side. Linn do not archive jayb wrote: > > These were a waste of money as the screws are much too short to fit through both baffle and black seal material... Twice as long would have been about right. Maybe they're useful elsewhere... > > http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/appages/bafflefastener.php > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=257702#257702 > > > > > > > > > > >


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    Time: 03:35:36 PM PST US
    From: "David McNeill" <dlm46007@cox.net>
    Subject: extra air seal fabric?
    You can buy smaller quantities at aircraft spruce. All my baffles use the 1/8" by 3" in any length required. I did not use Vans but will have to check the hangar tomorrow morning. -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of jayb Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 3:04 PM Subject: RV10-List: extra air seal fabric? Dang, I need 2 air seal fabric sections long enough to wrap around the bottom part of each cowl air inlet (each 12" x 3" or so) to finish off the baffles. Sorta forgot about those as all the cutting was geared towards the engine seals. Does anyone have extra Vans black air seal fabric lying about that they'd like to sell? Vans only sells 12"x56" rolls @ $41, not by the foot. If so, please contact me offline. Regards, Jay do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=257703#257703


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    Time: 06:12:14 PM PST US
    From: Bill Mauledriver Watson <MauleDriver@nc.rr.com>
    Subject: Oil door hidden hinge
    Well, I screwed up the FAB and have to re-order the top plate so on to the oil door... I have the hidden hinge and am ready to attach to cowl. But I'm concerned about what fastener to use to go through the honey combed strips surrounding the oil door cutout. There seems to be thin honeycomb throughout the cowl but there is a strip of slightly thicker honeycomb around the edge of the cowl and surrounding the oil door cutout. After drilling it, It became clear it is 'hollow'. So I'm concerned that rivets will not work well. I'm thinking something like 4-40 flat head screws (with the heads overlayed with glass. Or perhaps I need to fill the honeycomb with flock then drill. Or cut it out and fill. I think the standard door hinges are attached where there isn't any honeycomb, inside the square of honecomb surrounding the cutout. Any thoughts? Bill "FWF" Watson


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    Time: 06:19:03 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Oil door hidden hinge
    From: "Ron B." <cfxoa@klis.com>
    I removed the core and layed up solid epoxy and glass. Be careful as the outer skin is very thin. Ron Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=257724#257724


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    Time: 08:54:12 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Oil door hidden hinge
    From: Dave Saylor <dave.saylor.aircrafters@gmail.com>
    Good instincts, Bill. Replace the honeycomb with flox/resin to make a hard point and it should last forever. Dave On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 5:48 PM, Bill Mauledriver Watson < MauleDriver@nc.rr.com> wrote: > MauleDriver@nc.rr.com> > > Well, I screwed up the FAB and have to re-order the top plate so on to the > oil door... > > I have the hidden hinge and am ready to attach to cowl. But I'm concerned > about what fastener to use to go through the honey combed strips > surrounding the oil door cutout. > > There seems to be thin honeycomb throughout the cowl but there is a strip > of slightly thicker honeycomb around the edge of the cowl and surrounding > the oil door cutout. After drilling it, It became clear it is 'hollow'. > > So I'm concerned that rivets will not work well. I'm thinking something > like 4-40 flat head screws (with the heads overlayed with glass. Or perhaps > I need to fill the honeycomb with flock then drill. Or cut it out and fill. > > I think the standard door hinges are attached where there isn't any > honeycomb, inside the square of honecomb surrounding the cutout. > > Any thoughts? > > Bill "FWF" Watson > > -- Dave Saylor AirCrafters LLC 140 Aviation Way Watsonville, CA 95076 831-722-9141 Shop 831-750-0284 Cell




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