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1. 09:49 AM - Re: Fuel Flow variations (John Cox)
2. 11:50 AM - Re: Fuel Flow variations (Pascal)
3. 12:20 PM - Re: Fuel Flow variations (Tim Olson)
4. 04:00 PM - Re: How long to build an RV10 (McGann, Ron)
5. 04:14 PM - Re: Fuel Flow variations (gary)
6. 04:41 PM - Re: Fuel Flow variations (Miller John)
7. 05:11 PM - Re: How long to build an RV10 (Patrick Pulis)
8. 05:42 PM - Re: How long to build an RV10 (McGann, Ron)
9. 06:15 PM - Re: Fuel Flow variations (Patrick Thyssen)
10. 06:34 PM - Re: Fuel Flow variations (David McNeill)
11. 09:04 PM - Re: extra air seal fabric? (jayb)
12. 09:06 PM - Re: don't buy baffle fasteners (jayb)
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| Subject: | Fuel Flow variations |
Matt Dralle offered a small but well built fluid accumulator which can
assist the dampening pressure fluctuations of pump actions. If the
accumulator is used and placed prior to the sensor the degree of
fluctuation should be reduced at the point of indication.
John
#40600
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob Leffler
Sent: Saturday, August 15, 2009 2:11 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Fuel Flow variations
Deems, good timing on your question. Ivan Kristensen and I were having
the
same discussion the other day. We too would like to hear from anyone
that
mounted there fuel flow sensor in a non-standard location to minimize
the
impact of when the fuel pump is engaged.
My memory seems to think that Gary B. may have done this and may have
some
data since he's flying now.
Thanks,
Bob
#40684
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Deems Davis
Sent: Saturday, August 15, 2009 4:24 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Fuel Flow variations
Is anyone experiencing variations in fuel flow readings?
I am experiencing variations in fuel flow readings of up to .5 gph.
Typically the variations are .1-.3 gph. I've got the flow meter mounted
in the tunnel per Van's plans. And after talking to Don Rivera @ Airflow
Performance, he believes that the variations are due to the location of
the meter. Apparently the optimum location is between the servo and the
distribution spider. I've searched the archives, as I recalled some
dialogue on this subject and basically verified what Don said about
mounting location.
I'm interested to know if others are experiencing similar readings and
any attempts to improve or correct the situation.
Thanks
Deems Davis N519PJ
http://deemsrv10.com/
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Flow variations |
I agree there is a proven improvement with the forward location and with
Matt's ball (which btw would never fit for me in my limited space) however I
remind the group the flip side to this. A while back Tim Olson and the
Grumpy General, two people I respect, mentioned that there is a brief time
the pump is actually even on, take off and landing. The time it actually
caused an issue was rather brief and played a minor issue in the total
scheme of things.
>From a part of the e-mail by Tim, written last January- " While I do see the
increase in fuel flow, just like you do, with mine installed in the stock
location, it doesn't cause me any headaches. I only use the fuel boost for
maybe 60 seconds during takeoff, and even on landing if I do, it's only for
about 60 seconds again....just that timeframe that I'm under about 500' AGL
If you only use it a couple minutes during the flight, it won't change those
readings much at all. I've consistently been accurate to within about .1-.2
gallons over a 40-45 gallon flight, so it's just not worth worrying about.
In over 400 hours I've never had a fuel fill up that had any noticeable
amount of difference over what the totalizer told me I should be adding."
By all means consider moving the location to the front, especially if you
haven't done the install already per the plans, but for those who already
have the sensor in place, think about this before you make a modification
from the Van's plans- new hoses?, new setups?.. ask yourself with this
information if it's worth the effort?
Just bringing a difference perspective for anyone who worried about this, as
I did initially.
Tim may have changed his mind on this, if so Tim please advise.
Pascal
#40720
--------------------------------------------------
From: "John Cox" <johnwcox@pacificnw.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2009 9:45 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Fuel Flow variations
>
> Matt Dralle offered a small but well built fluid accumulator which can
> assist the dampening pressure fluctuations of pump actions. If the
> accumulator is used and placed prior to the sensor the degree of
> fluctuation should be reduced at the point of indication.
>
>
> John
> #40600
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob Leffler
> Sent: Saturday, August 15, 2009 2:11 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Fuel Flow variations
>
>
> Deems, good timing on your question. Ivan Kristensen and I were having
> the
> same discussion the other day. We too would like to hear from anyone
> that
> mounted there fuel flow sensor in a non-standard location to minimize
> the
> impact of when the fuel pump is engaged.
>
> My memory seems to think that Gary B. may have done this and may have
> some
> data since he's flying now.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Bob
> #40684
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Deems Davis
> Sent: Saturday, August 15, 2009 4:24 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV10-List: Fuel Flow variations
>
>
> Is anyone experiencing variations in fuel flow readings?
> I am experiencing variations in fuel flow readings of up to .5 gph.
> Typically the variations are .1-.3 gph. I've got the flow meter mounted
> in the tunnel per Van's plans. And after talking to Don Rivera @ Airflow
>
> Performance, he believes that the variations are due to the location of
> the meter. Apparently the optimum location is between the servo and the
> distribution spider. I've searched the archives, as I recalled some
> dialogue on this subject and basically verified what Don said about
> mounting location.
> I'm interested to know if others are experiencing similar readings and
> any attempts to improve or correct the situation.
>
> Thanks
>
> Deems Davis N519PJ
> http://deemsrv10.com/
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Flow variations |
Nope, I'm still very happy. As far as access to the sender goes, I've
never had reason to touch it since it was first wired in. It works
plenty well for me and I can usually plan on the reading being dead on
when I refuel.
Tim
On Aug 16, 2009, at 11:44 AM, "Pascal" <rv10builder@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> I agree there is a proven improvement with the forward location and
> with Matt's ball (which btw would never fit for me in my limited
> space) however I remind the group the flip side to this. A while
> back Tim Olson and the Grumpy General, two people I respect,
> mentioned that there is a brief time the pump is actually even on,
> take off and landing. The time it actually caused an issue was
> rather brief and played a minor issue in the total scheme of things.
>> From a part of the e-mail by Tim, written last January- " While I
>> do see the
> increase in fuel flow, just like you do, with mine installed in the
> stock location, it doesn't cause me any headaches. I only use the
> fuel boost for maybe 60 seconds during takeoff, and even on landing
> if I do, it's only for about 60 seconds again....just that timeframe
> that I'm under about 500' AGL If you only use it a couple minutes
> during the flight, it won't change those readings much at all. I've
> consistently been accurate to within about .1-.2 gallons over a
> 40-45 gallon flight, so it's just not worth worrying about. In over
> 400 hours I've never had a fuel fill up that had any noticeable
> amount of difference over what the totalizer told me I should be
> adding."
> By all means consider moving the location to the front, especially
> if you haven't done the install already per the plans, but for those
> who already have the sensor in place, think about this before you
> make a modification from the Van's plans- new hoses?, new setups?..
> ask yourself with this information if it's worth the effort?
> Just bringing a difference perspective for anyone who worried about
> this, as I did initially.
>
> Tim may have changed his mind on this, if so Tim please advise.
>
> Pascal
> #40720
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "John Cox" <johnwcox@pacificnw.com>
> Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2009 9:45 AM
> To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Fuel Flow variations
>
>>
>> Matt Dralle offered a small but well built fluid accumulator which
>> can
>> assist the dampening pressure fluctuations of pump actions. If the
>> accumulator is used and placed prior to the sensor the degree of
>> fluctuation should be reduced at the point of indication.
>>
>>
>> John
>> #40600
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob
>> Leffler
>> Sent: Saturday, August 15, 2009 2:11 PM
>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Fuel Flow variations
>>
>>
>> Deems, good timing on your question. Ivan Kristensen and I were
>> having
>> the
>> same discussion the other day. We too would like to hear from
>> anyone
>> that
>> mounted there fuel flow sensor in a non-standard location to minimize
>> the
>> impact of when the fuel pump is engaged.
>>
>> My memory seems to think that Gary B. may have done this and may have
>> some
>> data since he's flying now.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Bob
>> #40684
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Deems
>> Davis
>> Sent: Saturday, August 15, 2009 4:24 PM
>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: RV10-List: Fuel Flow variations
>>
>>
>> Is anyone experiencing variations in fuel flow readings?
>> I am experiencing variations in fuel flow readings of up to .5 gph.
>> Typically the variations are .1-.3 gph. I've got the flow meter
>> mounted
>> in the tunnel per Van's plans. And after talking to Don Rivera @
>> Airflow
>>
>> Performance, he believes that the variations are due to the
>> location of
>> the meter. Apparently the optimum location is between the servo and
>> the
>> distribution spider. I've searched the archives, as I recalled some
>> dialogue on this subject and basically verified what Don said about
>> mounting location.
>> I'm interested to know if others are experiencing similar readings
>> and
>> any attempts to improve or correct the situation.
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Deems Davis N519PJ
>> http://deemsrv10.com/
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | How long to build an RV10 |
And at the other end of the spectrum, I built my flat pack kits, all
avionics and wiring, engine installation, paint etc entirely solo (with
very occasional help from bucking partners) in ~4500hrs in just on 5
years. The only outsourced item was the seat upholstery and some extra
help with the final fuse paint. Professional Engineer (Software and
Electronic Systems), but never so much as changed the oil in a car
before hand.
Would I do it again? In an instant - the journey was a most rewarding
experience!! Should anyone ever believe the 2000 hrs over 2 years
advertising malarkey - never!!!
Cheers,
Ron
VH-XRM, grounded in Oz while I move the magnetometer to the wingtip
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Neil & Sarah
Colliver
Sent: Sunday, 16 August 2009 2:34 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: How long to build an RV10
Hi
We are the guilty ones. We built an RV10 in 6 months. It sounds
unbelievable but you have to remember that my husband took a break
from building houses and was working on it full time with another guy
for that time.
We also had another guy helping and supervising quality etc (he had
built an RV7 and just loved being around helping). All in all it took
over 2000 hours to build but with 2 guys going from 8 to 5:30 and one
pottering over the weekend and evenings and another helping out and
giving advice. We had a great team of aviation specialists who were on
hand to come and look at things we weren't sure of, or just offer
advice. The door was open to CAA all the time so that everyone new
what was going on. It is a family plane and we wanted to make sure it
was safe.
Sarah
ZK RVT
On 16/08/2009, at 7:06 AM, John Gonzalez wrote:
> Was this a QB fuse and wings?
>
> Oh poop, I am at 1900 hrs with a QB fuse and wings and about ready
> to put the engine on and do the cowl. Started in 2004
>
> Everyone that know me asks, "are you done yet?"
>
> I know a guy who said he built one in six months with two
> people...that's what he said.
>
> John
>
> > Subject: RV10-List: How long to build an RV10
> > From: Mikeabel@Pacbell.net
> > Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2009 10:39:47 -0700
> > To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> >
> >
> > A big question that newbees have is how long does it take to build
> an RV10? Well I have a pretty good answer. I am a novice builder,
> with modest mechanical skills. I was motivated to build a QB myself.
> I took training from the excellent empenage build class (Wally
> Anderson) at Synergy in Eugene OR. I logged my build hours fairly
> carefully for all 32 months of the build process. Starting on 1/3/07
> to Thursday when it was 100% ready to fly with FAA EXP
> certification, I logged 2600 hours of my own time and 307 hours of
> builder assist and assistance time. Total investment 2907 human
> hours of plan study and build. This does not include the many hours
> on this site and sending/receiving e-mails from fellow builders.
> >
> > --------
> > OSH '09 or Bust (busted) be there someday
> > Q/B Kit - end game
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Read this topic online here:
> >
> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=257815#257815
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Fuel Flow variations |
I notice fluctuations while I am trying to adjust LOP. Like Tim, I can live
with the change during the operation of the boost pump, but the LOP
adjustment is more irritating.
Gary Specketer
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2009 2:19 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Fuel Flow variations
Nope, I'm still very happy. As far as access to the sender goes, I've
never had reason to touch it since it was first wired in. It works
plenty well for me and I can usually plan on the reading being dead on
when I refuel.
Tim
On Aug 16, 2009, at 11:44 AM, "Pascal" <rv10builder@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> I agree there is a proven improvement with the forward location and
> with Matt's ball (which btw would never fit for me in my limited
> space) however I remind the group the flip side to this. A while
> back Tim Olson and the Grumpy General, two people I respect,
> mentioned that there is a brief time the pump is actually even on,
> take off and landing. The time it actually caused an issue was
> rather brief and played a minor issue in the total scheme of things.
>> From a part of the e-mail by Tim, written last January- " While I
>> do see the
> increase in fuel flow, just like you do, with mine installed in the
> stock location, it doesn't cause me any headaches. I only use the
> fuel boost for maybe 60 seconds during takeoff, and even on landing
> if I do, it's only for about 60 seconds again....just that timeframe
> that I'm under about 500' AGL If you only use it a couple minutes
> during the flight, it won't change those readings much at all. I've
> consistently been accurate to within about .1-.2 gallons over a
> 40-45 gallon flight, so it's just not worth worrying about. In over
> 400 hours I've never had a fuel fill up that had any noticeable
> amount of difference over what the totalizer told me I should be
> adding."
> By all means consider moving the location to the front, especially
> if you haven't done the install already per the plans, but for those
> who already have the sensor in place, think about this before you
> make a modification from the Van's plans- new hoses?, new setups?..
> ask yourself with this information if it's worth the effort?
> Just bringing a difference perspective for anyone who worried about
> this, as I did initially.
>
> Tim may have changed his mind on this, if so Tim please advise.
>
> Pascal
> #40720
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "John Cox" <johnwcox@pacificnw.com>
> Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2009 9:45 AM
> To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Fuel Flow variations
>
>>
>> Matt Dralle offered a small but well built fluid accumulator which
>> can
>> assist the dampening pressure fluctuations of pump actions. If the
>> accumulator is used and placed prior to the sensor the degree of
>> fluctuation should be reduced at the point of indication.
>>
>>
>> John
>> #40600
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob
>> Leffler
>> Sent: Saturday, August 15, 2009 2:11 PM
>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Fuel Flow variations
>>
>>
>> Deems, good timing on your question. Ivan Kristensen and I were
>> having
>> the
>> same discussion the other day. We too would like to hear from
>> anyone
>> that
>> mounted there fuel flow sensor in a non-standard location to minimize
>> the
>> impact of when the fuel pump is engaged.
>>
>> My memory seems to think that Gary B. may have done this and may have
>> some
>> data since he's flying now.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Bob
>> #40684
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Deems
>> Davis
>> Sent: Saturday, August 15, 2009 4:24 PM
>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: RV10-List: Fuel Flow variations
>>
>>
>> Is anyone experiencing variations in fuel flow readings?
>> I am experiencing variations in fuel flow readings of up to .5 gph.
>> Typically the variations are .1-.3 gph. I've got the flow meter
>> mounted
>> in the tunnel per Van's plans. And after talking to Don Rivera @
>> Airflow
>>
>> Performance, he believes that the variations are due to the
>> location of
>> the meter. Apparently the optimum location is between the servo and
>> the
>> distribution spider. I've searched the archives, as I recalled some
>> dialogue on this subject and basically verified what Don said about
>> mounting location.
>> I'm interested to know if others are experiencing similar readings
>> and
>> any attempts to improve or correct the situation.
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Deems Davis N519PJ
>> http://deemsrv10.com/
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Flow variations |
Same for me.
And on hot days if the engine driven pump pressure falls too low, I
use the electric fuel pump to keep the pressure up until I get to
altitude.
Totalizer and fuel used consistently accurate.
grumpy
N184JM
On Aug 16, 2009, at 2:18 PM, Tim Olson wrote:
>
> Nope, I'm still very happy. As far as access to the sender goes,
> I've never had reason to touch it since it was first wired in. It
> works plenty well for me and I can usually plan on the reading being
> dead on when I refuel.
> Tim
>
>
> On Aug 16, 2009, at 11:44 AM, "Pascal" <rv10builder@verizon.net>
> wrote:
>
>>
>> I agree there is a proven improvement with the forward location and
>> with Matt's ball (which btw would never fit for me in my limited
>> space) however I remind the group the flip side to this. A while
>> back Tim Olson and the Grumpy General, two people I respect,
>> mentioned that there is a brief time the pump is actually even on,
>> take off and landing. The time it actually caused an issue was
>> rather brief and played a minor issue in the total scheme of things.
>>> From a part of the e-mail by Tim, written last January- " While I
>>> do see the
>> increase in fuel flow, just like you do, with mine installed in the
>> stock location, it doesn't cause me any headaches. I only use the
>> fuel boost for maybe 60 seconds during takeoff, and even on landing
>> if I do, it's only for about 60 seconds again....just that
>> timeframe that I'm under about 500' AGL If you only use it a couple
>> minutes during the flight, it won't change those readings much at
>> all. I've consistently been accurate to within about .1-.2 gallons
>> over a 40-45 gallon flight, so it's just not worth worrying about.
>> In over 400 hours I've never had a fuel fill up that had any
>> noticeable amount of difference over what the totalizer told me I
>> should be adding."
>> By all means consider moving the location to the front, especially
>> if you haven't done the install already per the plans, but for
>> those who already have the sensor in place, think about this before
>> you make a modification from the Van's plans- new hoses?, new
>> setups?.. ask yourself with this information if it's worth the
>> effort?
>> Just bringing a difference perspective for anyone who worried about
>> this, as I did initially.
>>
>> Tim may have changed his mind on this, if so Tim please advise.
>>
>> Pascal
>> #40720
>> --------------------------------------------------
>> From: "John Cox" <johnwcox@pacificnw.com>
>> Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2009 9:45 AM
>> To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
>> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Fuel Flow variations
>>
>>>
>>> Matt Dralle offered a small but well built fluid accumulator which
>>> can
>>> assist the dampening pressure fluctuations of pump actions. If the
>>> accumulator is used and placed prior to the sensor the degree of
>>> fluctuation should be reduced at the point of indication.
>>>
>>>
>>> John
>>> #40600
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>>> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob
>>> Leffler
>>> Sent: Saturday, August 15, 2009 2:11 PM
>>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>>> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Fuel Flow variations
>>>
>>>
>>> Deems, good timing on your question. Ivan Kristensen and I were
>>> having
>>> the
>>> same discussion the other day. We too would like to hear from
>>> anyone
>>> that
>>> mounted there fuel flow sensor in a non-standard location to
>>> minimize
>>> the
>>> impact of when the fuel pump is engaged.
>>>
>>> My memory seems to think that Gary B. may have done this and may
>>> have
>>> some
>>> data since he's flying now.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Bob
>>> #40684
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>>> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Deems
>>> Davis
>>> Sent: Saturday, August 15, 2009 4:24 PM
>>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>>> Subject: RV10-List: Fuel Flow variations
>>>
>>>
>>> Is anyone experiencing variations in fuel flow readings?
>>> I am experiencing variations in fuel flow readings of up to .5 gph.
>>> Typically the variations are .1-.3 gph. I've got the flow meter
>>> mounted
>>> in the tunnel per Van's plans. And after talking to Don Rivera @
>>> Airflow
>>>
>>> Performance, he believes that the variations are due to the
>>> location of
>>> the meter. Apparently the optimum location is between the servo
>>> and the
>>> distribution spider. I've searched the archives, as I recalled some
>>> dialogue on this subject and basically verified what Don said about
>>> mounting location.
>>> I'm interested to know if others are experiencing similar readings
>>> and
>>> any attempts to improve or correct the situation.
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>> Deems Davis N519PJ
>>> http://deemsrv10.com/
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: How long to build an RV10 |
I always give the same reply Gary, well done mate.=0A=0AKind regards=0A=0AP
atrick Pulis=0AAdelaide, South Australia=0A#40299=0A=0AProsealing auxillary
wing tanks - nearly finished Ron.=0A=0ADo Not Archive=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A______
__________________________=0AFrom: gary <speckter@comcast.net>=0ATo: rv10-l
ist@matronics.com=0ASent: Sunday, 16 August, 2009 5:12:23 AM=0ASubject: RE:
RV10-List: How long to build an RV10=0A=0A=0AThe correct answer to
=9Care you done yet=9D is=9D I will be done on Tuesday=9D
.=C2- Some Tuesday some month some year.=0A=C2-=0AGary Specketer=0A=C2
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hn Gonzalez=0ASent: Saturday, August 15, 2009 2:07 PM=0ATo: RV 10 group=0AS
ubject: RE: RV10-List: How long to build an RV10=0A=C2-=0AWas this a QB f
use and wings?=0A=C2-=0AOh poop, I am at 1900 hrs with a QB fuse and wing
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4=0A=C2-=0AEveryone that know me asks, "are you done yet?"=0A=C2-=0AI k
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ed by: "AirMike" <Mikeabel@Pacbell.net>=0A> =0A> A big question that newbee
s have is how long does it take to build an RV10? Well I have a pretty good
answer. I am a novice builder, with modest mechanical skills. I was motiva
ted to build a QB myself. I took training from the excellent empenage build
class (Wally Anderson) at Synergy in Eugene OR. I logged my build hours fa
irly carefully for all 32 months of the build process. Starting on 1/3/07 t
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Yep - my first flight was indeed on a Tuesday (21 April)!!
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Patrick Pulis
Sent: Monday, 17 August 2009 10:10 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: How long to build an RV10
I always give the same reply Gary, well done mate.
Kind regards
Patrick Pulis
Adelaide, South Australia
#40299
Prosealing auxillary wing tanks - nearly finished Ron.
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From: gary <speckter@comcast.net>
Sent: Sunday, 16 August, 2009 5:12:23 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: How long to build an RV10
The correct answer to "are you done yet" is" I will be done on Tuesday". Some Tuesday
some month some year.
Gary Specketer
________________________________
From:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Gonzalez
Sent: Saturday, August 15, 2009 2:07 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: How long to build an RV10
Was this a QB fuse and wings?
Oh poop, I am at 1900 hrs with a QB fuse and wings and aboutready to put the engine
on and do the cowl. Started in 2004
Everyone that know me asks, "are you done yet?"
I know a guy who said he built one in six months with two people...that's what
he said.
John
> Subject: RV10-List: How long to build an RV10
> From: Mikeabel@Pacbell.net
> Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2009 10:39:47 -0700
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>
>
> A big question that newbees have is how long does it take to build an RV10? Well
I have a pretty good answer. I am a novice builder, with modest mechanical
skills. I was motivated to build a QB myself. I took training from the excellent
empenage build class (Wally Anderson) at Synergy in Eugene OR. I logged my
build hours fairly carefully for all 32 months of the build process. Starting
on 1/3/07 to Thursday when it was 100% ready to fly with FAA EXP certification,
I logged 2600 hours of my own time and 307 hours of builder assist and assistance
time. Total investment 2907 human hours of plan study and build. This does
not include the many hours on this site and sending/receiving e-mails from
fellow builders.
>
> --------
> OSH '09 or Bust (busted) be there someday
> Q/B Kit - end game
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=257815#257815
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Flow variations |
Has any one read their manuals from EI or JPI and How they are to mount the
ir Transducer? You can learn a lot from manuals. Or go look at a shop and s
ee how the Certified group put theirs in.,
-Has anyone thought maybe your sucking air in your line just enough? Not
big enough to see fuel stain- but still sucking air. How about your bypas
s is opening and closing.Anything passing through you mechanical pump. Just
a little leak passing by?
Everyone in Texas know how their fuel acst when its 100degree plus and just
think when you stop and have that 100 dollar hamburger and then go and get
in it to crank up.
-These are just some of my thougths not knowing everyones paticular case
but it is food for thought.
Keep asking, but try reading, sometime you learn more then you need.
Ok I'm not here to answere .
Patrick Thyssen
Yes I'm flying sorta When the electrons let me.
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--- On Sat, 8/15/09, William Curtis <wcurtis@nerv10.com> wrote:
From: William Curtis <wcurtis@nerv10.com>
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Fuel Flow variations
Yes, this is the consensus of AFS, EI, Airflow et al.- For this reason as
well as easier access to the transducer, I have moved my fuel flow transdu
cer from the tunnel to the servo output port.- With some additional parts
from AN Plumbing, I was able to put it there without any change to the hos
es.=0A=0A-=0AWilliam=0Ahttp://wcurtis.nerv10.com/=0A
-=0AOn Sat, Aug 15, 2009 at 4:24 PM, Deems Davis <deemsdavis@cox.net> wro
te:
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Is anyone experiencing variations in fuel flow readings?
I am experiencing variations in fuel flow readings of up to .5 gph. -Typi
cally the variations are .1-.3 gph. I've got the flow meter mounted in the
tunnel per Van's plans. And after talking to Don Rivera @ Airflow Performan
ce, he believes that the variations are due to the location of the meter. A
pparently the optimum location is between the servo and the distribution sp
ider. I've searched the archives, as I recalled some dialogue on this subje
ct and basically verified what Don said about mounting location.
=0AI'm interested to know if others are experiencing similar readings and a
ny attempts to improve or correct the situation.
Thanks
Deems Davis N519PJ
http://deemsrv10.com/
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| Subject: | Fuel Flow variations |
The GRT display with the EIS system has a lean function and by using it EGTs
are used rather than fuel flow. GRT users can invoke the lean function and
watch the individual cylinders peak and then go lean: first to peak is boxed
green? And last to peak is boxed white? If all the minus numbers for EGT
data are between 0 to -30 and the engine is smooth I then look at the fuel
flow.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of gary
Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2009 4:05 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Fuel Flow variations
I notice fluctuations while I am trying to adjust LOP. Like Tim, I can live
with the change during the operation of the boost pump, but the LOP
adjustment is more irritating.
Gary Specketer
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2009 2:19 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Fuel Flow variations
Nope, I'm still very happy. As far as access to the sender goes, I've never
had reason to touch it since it was first wired in. It works plenty well
for me and I can usually plan on the reading being dead on when I refuel.
Tim
On Aug 16, 2009, at 11:44 AM, "Pascal" <rv10builder@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> I agree there is a proven improvement with the forward location and
> with Matt's ball (which btw would never fit for me in my limited
> space) however I remind the group the flip side to this. A while back
> Tim Olson and the Grumpy General, two people I respect, mentioned that
> there is a brief time the pump is actually even on, take off and
> landing. The time it actually caused an issue was rather brief and
> played a minor issue in the total scheme of things.
>> From a part of the e-mail by Tim, written last January- " While I do
>> see the
> increase in fuel flow, just like you do, with mine installed in the
> stock location, it doesn't cause me any headaches. I only use the
> fuel boost for maybe 60 seconds during takeoff, and even on landing if
> I do, it's only for about 60 seconds again....just that timeframe that
> I'm under about 500' AGL If you only use it a couple minutes during
> the flight, it won't change those readings much at all. I've
> consistently been accurate to within about .1-.2 gallons over a
> 40-45 gallon flight, so it's just not worth worrying about. In over
> 400 hours I've never had a fuel fill up that had any noticeable amount
> of difference over what the totalizer told me I should be adding."
> By all means consider moving the location to the front, especially if
> you haven't done the install already per the plans, but for those who
> already have the sensor in place, think about this before you make a
> modification from the Van's plans- new hoses?, new setups?..
> ask yourself with this information if it's worth the effort?
> Just bringing a difference perspective for anyone who worried about
> this, as I did initially.
>
> Tim may have changed his mind on this, if so Tim please advise.
>
> Pascal
> #40720
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "John Cox" <johnwcox@pacificnw.com>
> Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2009 9:45 AM
> To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Fuel Flow variations
>
>>
>> Matt Dralle offered a small but well built fluid accumulator which
>> can assist the dampening pressure fluctuations of pump actions. If
>> the accumulator is used and placed prior to the sensor the degree of
>> fluctuation should be reduced at the point of indication.
>>
>>
>> John
>> #40600
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob
>> Leffler
>> Sent: Saturday, August 15, 2009 2:11 PM
>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Fuel Flow variations
>>
>>
>> Deems, good timing on your question. Ivan Kristensen and I were
>> having the
>> same discussion the other day. We too would like to hear from
>> anyone
>> that
>> mounted there fuel flow sensor in a non-standard location to minimize
>> the impact of when the fuel pump is engaged.
>>
>> My memory seems to think that Gary B. may have done this and may have
>> some data since he's flying now.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Bob
>> #40684
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Deems
>> Davis
>> Sent: Saturday, August 15, 2009 4:24 PM
>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: RV10-List: Fuel Flow variations
>>
>>
>> Is anyone experiencing variations in fuel flow readings?
>> I am experiencing variations in fuel flow readings of up to .5 gph.
>> Typically the variations are .1-.3 gph. I've got the flow meter
>> mounted in the tunnel per Van's plans. And after talking to Don
>> Rivera @ Airflow
>>
>> Performance, he believes that the variations are due to the location
>> of the meter. Apparently the optimum location is between the servo
>> and the distribution spider. I've searched the archives, as I
>> recalled some dialogue on this subject and basically verified what
>> Don said about mounting location.
>> I'm interested to know if others are experiencing similar readings
>> and any attempts to improve or correct the situation.
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Deems Davis N519PJ
>> http://deemsrv10.com/
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: extra air seal fabric? |
Thanks to those that responded offline.
Jay
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| Subject: | Re: don't buy baffle fasteners |
1/4" length of both screw and collar. The collar threads don't start right at the
inner-most part where it's most needed. Very difficult to get the screw to
thread onto the collar. Thumbs down from me.
Jay
pitts_pilot(at)bellsouth. wrote:
> I've seen these work with the silicone seal material .... or maybe they
> were a longer version! How long is the collar on the one side.
> Linn
> do not archive
> jayb wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > These were a waste of money as the screws are much too short to fit through
both baffle and black seal material... Twice as long would have been about right.
Maybe they're useful elsewhere...
> >
> > http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/appages/bafflefastener.php
> >
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| Subject: | Re: Oil door hidden hinge |
Bill,
I cut a bit too much off on the inboard side also. It was pretty easy to just glass
what was needed back on... Not a big deal. I left a lip all the way around.
The door turned out nice. Be sure to reinforce the latch side cowl lip as there's
not a lot of grip area.
http://www.brinkmeyers.net/Photos/Aircraft/Engine/images/imag0095.jpg
Jay
MauleDriver(at)nc.rr.com wrote:
> Thanks for the pics. Yes, I thought that's what I would be doing but
> I've already cut too big a hole and am planning a slightly larger door
> and door opening. Note to self; cut a small hole then enlarge as more
> is learned.
>
> Nice site and pics. Thanks!
>
> vankris wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > YOU shouldn't need to get into the honeycomb areas of the top cowl to attach a hidden hinge here is a link to some pictures I hope will help you understand the process. http://ivankristensen.phanfare.com/2292606_4268126#imageID=77306227
> > This hidden hinge and the door latches are from Non Stop Aviation
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Ivan Kristensen
> >
> > #40838
> >
> > FF and wiring
> >
> >
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> > Read this topic online here:
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