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1. 04:48 AM - Re: Another Flying RV10 for the book (orchidman)
2. 05:14 AM - Re: Another Flying RV10 for the book (Les Kearney)
3. 07:43 AM - Re: Another Flying RV10 for the book (Don McDonald)
4. 08:13 AM - Re: Another Flying RV10 for the book (Robin Marks)
5. 08:17 AM - Re: Another Flying RV10 for the book (Tim Olson)
6. 10:33 AM - nose fork (David McNeill)
7. 02:04 PM - Re: Re: Oil Cooler Size On RV-10...? (Michael Baldwin)
8. 02:11 PM - Re: Re: Oil Cooler Size On RV-10...? (pilotdds@aol.com)
9. 02:21 PM - Re: Re: Oil Cooler Size On RV-10...? (Tim Olson)
10. 05:13 PM - Re: Re: Oil Cooler Size On RV-10...? (Deems Davis)
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| Subject: | Re: Another Flying RV10 for the book |
AirMike wrote:
> RV-10 Q/B kit #40663 lifted off with Mike Seager at the controls on Thursday
August 13th 2009 at Minden, Nevada. AirMike now with 2 hrs. in the beast.
>
A real big CONGRATULATIONS!!!!
Now the real question, was it better then sex? [Mr. Green]
I have 70 hours on mine and right now it is in the paint shop. I am in severe
withdrawal. Last night I even emptied the dish washer. The wife is about to
kick me out. It's like hide and seek. I hide things where I think they are supposed
to go and then she has to seek them out because they aren't where she
expects them. So some advise, when you get ready to send it off for paint, be
prepared. I wasn't.
The 10 sure is a real pleasure to fly :D
--------
Gary Blankenbiller
RV10 - # 40674
(N2GB Flying)
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| Subject: | Another Flying RV10 for the book |
Congrats Mike!
As with every new -10, I turn just a it more green with envy! I trust we
will shall see the AirMike model of the -10 at KOSH in 2010.
Cheers
Les
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of AirMike
Sent: August-20-09 11:48 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Another Flying RV10 for the book
RV-10 Q/B kit #40663 lifted off with Mike Seager at the controls on Thursday
August 13th 2009 at Minden, Nevada. AirMike now with 2 hrs. in the beast.
http://www.vansaircraft.com/public/flights.htm
A sincere thanks to all the great folks on this list without whose help the
task would have been much more difficult. Special koddos to Tim Olson, Dave
M, Dave Saylor, Matt, Gary, Albert, Deems, William C.,Scott, Kelly M, Jesse,
Stein, Bob C., John C., Jae C., and anyone else whom I may have forgotten.
For the newbees starting their projects this forum will yield to you a
better and safer aircraft and the opportunity to meet (even electronically)
a great group of fine folks. Read Matt's rules - be positive, and do not be
afraid to ask what you might think is a foolish question. Respect and
helpfulness keeps this a great forum. Fly safe - have fun
--------
OSH '09 or Bust (busted) be there someday
Q/B Kit - end game
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| Subject: | Re: Another Flying RV10 for the book |
Congrats Mike... now the fun doesn't just start, it continues!- At first
glance your builder # looked exactly like mine... 40636 bvs.40663.- Have
fun, and may we all meet up during this great adventure.
Don McDonald
--- On Thu, 8/20/09, AirMike <Mikeabel@Pacbell.net> wrote:
From: AirMike <Mikeabel@Pacbell.net>
Subject: RV10-List: Another Flying RV10 for the book
RV-10 Q/B kit #40663 lifted off with Mike Seager at the controls on Thursda
y August 13th 2009 at Minden, Nevada. AirMike now with 2 hrs. in the beast.
http://www.vansaircraft.com/public/flights.htm
A sincere thanks to all the great folks on this list without whose help the
task would have been much more difficult. Special koddos to Tim Olson, Dav
e M, Dave Saylor, Matt, Gary, Albert, Deems, William C.,Scott, Kelly M, Jes
se, Stein, Bob C., John C., Jae C., and anyone else whom I may have forgott
en.
For the newbees starting their projects this forum will yield to you a bett
er and safer aircraft and the opportunity to meet (even electronically) a g
reat group of fine folks. Read Matt's rules - be positive, and do not be af
raid to ask what you might think is a foolish question. Respect and helpful
ness keeps this a great forum. Fly safe - have fun
--------
OSH '09 or Bust (busted) be there someday
Q/B Kit - end game
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=258937#258937
le, List Admin.
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| Subject: | Another Flying RV10 for the book |
Fantastic news Mike. Way to go on posting your first flight on Vans
site. I need to get something up there before the calendar clicks over
another year. I wonder how many Vans Aircraft are really flying?
Regardless you now have your own flying -10; enjoy and please fly safe!
I will see you are OSH in 2010.
Robin
Do Not Archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of AirMike
Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 10:48 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Another Flying RV10 for the book
RV-10 Q/B kit #40663 lifted off with Mike Seager at the controls on
Thursday August 13th 2009 at Minden, Nevada. AirMike now with 2 hrs. in
the beast.
http://www.vansaircraft.com/public/flights.htm
A sincere thanks to all the great folks on this list without whose help
the task would have been much more difficult. Special koddos to Tim
Olson, Dave M, Dave Saylor, Matt, Gary, Albert, Deems, William C.,Scott,
Kelly M, Jesse, Stein, Bob C., John C., Jae C., and anyone else whom I
may have forgotten.
For the newbees starting their projects this forum will yield to you a
better and safer aircraft and the opportunity to meet (even
electronically) a great group of fine folks. Read Matt's rules - be
positive, and do not be afraid to ask what you might think is a foolish
question. Respect and helpfulness keeps this a great forum. Fly safe -
have fun
--------
OSH '09 or Bust (busted) be there someday
Q/B Kit - end game
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=258937#258937
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| Subject: | Re: Another Flying RV10 for the book |
Very cook, Mike! Can't wait to hear how you like
flying it!
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
do not archive
AirMike wrote:
>
> RV-10 Q/B kit #40663 lifted off with Mike Seager at the controls on Thursday
August 13th 2009 at Minden, Nevada. AirMike now with 2 hrs. in the beast.
>
> http://www.vansaircraft.com/public/flights.htm
>
> A sincere thanks to all the great folks on this list without whose help the task
would have been much more difficult. Special koddos to Tim Olson, Dave M,
Dave Saylor, Matt, Gary, Albert, Deems, William C.,Scott, Kelly M, Jesse, Stein,
Bob C., John C., Jae C., and anyone else whom I may have forgotten.
>
> For the newbees starting their projects this forum will yield to you a better
and safer aircraft and the opportunity to meet (even electronically) a great
group of fine folks. Read Matt's rules - be positive, and do not be afraid to
ask what you might think is a foolish question. Respect and helpfulness keeps
this a great forum. Fly safe - have fun
>
> --------
> OSH '09 or Bust (busted) be there someday
> Q/B Kit - end game
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=258937#258937
>
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Has anyone painted/treated the fork as supplied by Vans?
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| Subject: | Re: Oil Cooler Size On RV-10...? |
We put the Airflow-2008X on our RV-10 since our oil temps where higher th
an we liked
And saw a-10 - 20-degree F drop as a result
We also installed-a baffle that splits the air flow in the Van's standard
box per recommendation from Airflow (these guys had a lot of good experien
ce with the RV-10 people)
You do have to modify Van's oil cooler-box to bolt the 2008X on inplace o
f the standard cooler, but it can be done.- Basically-you have to turn
the cooler 90 degrees and fold out the vertical sides of the box, drill a f
ew holes and bolt on.- Actually pretty simple change.- I felt it was wo
rth
-
High oil temps for us was only during summer hot days coupled with-slow f
light conditions 120 -- 150 mph range. if you keep the speed up to 160 or
better its usually ok
Example would be 90-degree day and slow flight around the-pattern or si
ght seeing low and slow the temp would get up to 230 F.- Now with larger
cooler it only hits 210 F.- Our 6 position CHT numbers have always been 3
50 or lower regarding engine temp, so the cowling / baffling seams tight an
d working good.
The slow flght condition appears to be more of the issue.- I would bet a
cowl flap right under the cooler would-also work, be interested to hear i
f any one has done that yet.-
-
Mike Baldwin--(see add below )
-
- Engine Parts---Oil Coolers---Airflow Systems
X-SERIES OIL COOLERS BY AIRFLOW SYSTEM
The first new aircraft oil cooler design in 50 years. Computer modeling and
flight testing have been used to develop coolers that deliver significantl
y lower oil temps with no increase in oil cooler
View more details
08-06154
2006X AIRFLOW OIL COOLER EXPMT
$432.00
08-06155
2008X AIRFLOW OIL COOLER EXPMT
$493.00
-
-
--- On Fri, 8/21/09, Don McDonald <building_partner@yahoo.com> wrote:
From: Don McDonald <building_partner@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Oil Cooler Size On RV-10...?
Ditto on the unit from Alex.... with the exception of the reduction in cool
ing... certainly NOT 20%.... considering 200 degrees, we'd be talking about
a 40 degree reduction.- Plan on a reduction of between 5 and 15.
Don McDonald
--- On Thu, 8/20/09, AirMike <Mikeabel@Pacbell.net> wrote:
From: AirMike <Mikeabel@Pacbell.net>
Subject: RV10-List: Re: Oil Cooler Size On RV-10...?
I do not know about Van's, but Alex- DeDominicis (Aviation tech products)
sells one that has the identical dimensions as Van's unit for the 10 and su
pposedly has 20% better cooling. Alex is a good guy and with the difference
from the cost of the Van's product - it was about $100 more. Seems to work
fine.
--------
OSH '09 or Bust (busted) be there someday
Q/B Kit - end game
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| Subject: | Re: Oil Cooler Size On RV-10...? |
Mike do you have any photos of your mods to the oil cooler box?
-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Baldwin <michaelbaldwin7475@sbcglobal.net>
Sent: Fri, Aug 21, 2009 2:03 pm
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Oil Cooler Size On RV-10...?
We put the Airflow?2008X on our RV-10 since our oil temps where higher than we
liked
And saw a?10 - 20?degree F drop as a result
We also installed?a baffle that splits the air flow in the Van's standard box per
recommendation from Airflow (these guys had a lot of good experience with the
RV-10 people)
You do have to modify Van's oil cooler?box to bolt the 2008X on inplace of the
standard cooler, but it can be done.? Basically?you have to turn the cooler 90
degrees and fold out the vertical sides of the box, drill a few holes and bolt
on.? Actually pretty simple change.? I felt it was worth
?
High oil temps for us was only during summer hot days coupled with?slow flight
conditions 120 -? 150 mph range. if you keep the speed up to 160 or better its
usually ok
Example would be 90?degree day and slow flight around the?pattern or sight seeing
low and slow the temp would get up to 230 F.? Now with larger cooler it only
hits 210 F.? Our 6 position CHT numbers have always been 350 or lower regarding
engine temp, so the cowling / baffling seams tight and working good.
The slow flght condition appears to be more of the issue.? I would bet a cowl flap
right under the cooler would?also work, be interested to hear if any one has
done that yet.?
?
Mike Baldwin??(see add below )
?
? Engine Parts?-?Oil Coolers?-?Airflow Systems
X-SERIES OIL COOLERS BY AIRFLOW SYSTEM
The first new aircraft oil cooler design in 50 years. Computer modeling and flight
testing have been used to develop coolers that deliver significantly lower
oil temps with no increase in oil cooler
View more details
08-06154
2006X AIRFLOW OIL COOLER EXPMT
$432.00
08-06155
2008X AIRFLOW OIL COOLER EXPMT
$493.00
?
?
--- On Fri, 8/21/09, Don McDonald <building_partner@yahoo.com> wrote:
From: Don McDonald <building_partner@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Oil Cooler Size On RV-10...?
Ditto on the unit from Alex.... with the exception of the reduction in cooling...
certainly NOT 20%.... considering 200 degrees, we'd be talking about a 40 degree
reduction.? Plan on a reduction of between 5 and 15.
Don McDonald
--- On Thu, 8/20/09, AirMike <Mikeabel@Pacbell.net> wrote:
From: AirMike <Mikeabel@Pacbell.net>
Subject: RV10-List: Re: Oil Cooler Size On RV-10...?
I do not know about Van's, but Alex? DeDominicis (Aviation tech products)sells
one that has the identical dimensions as Van's unit for the 10 and supposedly
has 20% better cooling. Alex is a good guy and with the difference from the cost
of the Van's product - it was about $100 more. Seems to work fine.
--------
OSH '09 or Bust (busted) be there someday
Q/B Kit - end game
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| Subject: | Re: Oil Cooler Size On RV-10...? |
Does anyone have photos of this "splitter" vane thing that people
are putting in the filter box? It sounds great, and I've heard
tons about it, but never seen a photo.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
Michael Baldwin wrote:
> We put the Airflow 2008X on our RV-10 since our oil temps where higher
> than we liked
> And saw a 10 - 20 degree F drop as a result
> We also installed a baffle that splits the air flow in the Van's
> standard box per recommendation from Airflow (these guys had a lot of
> good experience with the RV-10 people)
> You do have to modify Van's oil cooler box to bolt the 2008X on inplace
> of the standard cooler, but it can be done. Basically you have to turn
> the cooler 90 degrees and fold out the vertical sides of the box, drill
> a few holes and bolt on. Actually pretty simple change. I felt it was
> worth
>
> High oil temps for us was only during summer hot days coupled with slow
> flight conditions 120 - 150 mph range. if you keep the speed up to 160
> or better its usually ok
> Example would be 90 degree day and slow flight around the pattern or
> sight seeing low and slow the temp would get up to 230 F. Now with
> larger cooler it only hits 210 F. Our 6 position CHT numbers have
> always been 350 or lower regarding engine temp, so the cowling /
> baffling seams tight and working good.
> The slow flght condition appears to be more of the issue. I would bet a
> cowl flap right under the cooler would also work, be interested to hear
> if any one has done that yet.
>
> Mike Baldwin (see add below )
>
> */ Engine Parts
> <http://www.aircraftspruce.com/menus/ep/index.html> - Oil Coolers
> <http://www.aircraftspruce.com/menus/ep/oilcoolers.html> - Airflow Systems/*
> <http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/eppages/xseriesOilCooler.php>
> X-SERIES OIL COOLERS BY AIRFLOW SYSTEM
> <http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/eppages/xseriesOilCooler.php>
> The first new aircraft oil cooler design in 50 years. Computer modeling
> and flight testing have been used to develop coolers that deliver
> significantly lower oil temps with no increase in oil cooler
> View more details
> <http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/eppages/xseriesOilCooler.php>
> 08-06154 2006X AIRFLOW OIL COOLER EXPMT *$432.00*
> <http://www.aircraftspruce.com/neworderform.php?cmd=add&p=08-06154&q=1>
> 08-06155 2008X AIRFLOW OIL COOLER EXPMT *$493.00*
> <http://www.aircraftspruce.com/neworderform.php?cmd=add&p=08-06155&q=1>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
>
>
> --- On *Fri, 8/21/09, Don McDonald /<building_partner@yahoo.com>/* wrote:
>
>
> From: Don McDonald <building_partner@yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Oil Cooler Size On RV-10...?
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Date: Friday, August 21, 2009, 1:49 AM
>
> Ditto on the unit from Alex.... with the exception of the reduction
> in cooling... certainly NOT 20%.... considering 200 degrees, we'd be
> talking about a 40 degree reduction. Plan on a reduction of between
> 5 and 15.
> Don McDonald
>
> --- On *Thu, 8/20/09, AirMike /<Mikeabel@Pacbell.net>/* wrote:
>
>
> From: AirMike <Mikeabel@Pacbell.net>
> Subject: RV10-List: Re: Oil Cooler Size On RV-10...?
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Date: Thursday, August 20, 2009, 10:16 PM
>
> <http://us.mc537.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=Mikeabel@Pacbell.net>>
>
> I do not know about Van's, but Alex DeDominicis (Aviation tech
> products)sells one that has the identical dimensions as Van's
> unit for the 10 and supposedly has 20% better cooling. Alex is a
> good guy and with the difference from the cost of the Van's
> product - it was about $100 more. Seems to work fine.
>
> --------
> OSH '09 or Bust (busted) be there someday
> Q/B Kit - end game
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
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| Subject: | Re: Oil Cooler Size On RV-10...? |
Tim,
I don't have a picture, but I'll try and describe it.
The 'splitter' itself is a piece of .032. It is the same width as the
inside dimension of the oil cooler mounting box. Its depth (from memory)
is about 3 1/2 " the bottom 3/4" of an inch of the splitter is bent with
an angle of 30-45 degs. The splitter comes with 2 .032 alum angle "L"
tabs. that are about 1/2" wide and 1/2-5/8" long. I installed mine by
pop riveting the angle flanges flush with the top of the splitter, Then
installe the splitter/diverter flange inside of the mounting and place
it midway across the circular opening. Drill (match) a # 30 hole so
that you can pop rivet the flanges to the top of the mounting . 9The
bent part of the splitter is facing forwaed. The theory is that the air
coming from the scat is split and the splitter pushes 1/2 of the air
towards the top of the oil cooler. the reports were that without it the
pressures builds up on the bottom of the wedge and more air passes
through the bottom than the top.
Deems Davis N519PJ
http://deemsrv10.com/index.html
Tim Olson wrote:
>
> Does anyone have photos of this "splitter" vane thing that people
> are putting in the filter box? It sounds great, and I've heard
> tons about it, but never seen a photo.
>
> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
>
>
> Michael Baldwin wrote:
>> We put the Airflow 2008X on our RV-10 since our oil temps where
>> higher than we liked
>> And saw a 10 - 20 degree F drop as a result
>> We also installed a baffle that splits the air flow in the Van's
>> standard box per recommendation from Airflow (these guys had a lot of
>> good experience with the RV-10 people)
>> You do have to modify Van's oil cooler box to bolt the 2008X on
>> inplace of the standard cooler, but it can be done. Basically you
>> have to turn the cooler 90 degrees and fold out the vertical sides of
>> the box, drill a few holes and bolt on. Actually pretty simple
>> change. I felt it was worth
>>
>> High oil temps for us was only during summer hot days coupled with
>> slow flight conditions 120 - 150 mph range. if you keep the speed up
>> to 160 or better its usually ok
>> Example would be 90 degree day and slow flight around the pattern or
>> sight seeing low and slow the temp would get up to 230 F. Now with
>> larger cooler it only hits 210 F. Our 6 position CHT numbers have
>> always been 350 or lower regarding engine temp, so the cowling /
>> baffling seams tight and working good.
>> The slow flght condition appears to be more of the issue. I would
>> bet a cowl flap right under the cooler would also work, be interested
>> to hear if any one has done that yet.
>> Mike Baldwin (see add below )
>>
>> */ Engine Parts <http://www.aircraftspruce.com/menus/ep/index.html>
>> - Oil Coolers
>> <http://www.aircraftspruce.com/menus/ep/oilcoolers.html> - Airflow
>> Systems/*
>> <http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/eppages/xseriesOilCooler.php>
>> X-SERIES OIL COOLERS BY AIRFLOW SYSTEM
>> <http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/eppages/xseriesOilCooler.php>
>> The first new aircraft oil cooler design in 50 years. Computer
>> modeling and flight testing have been used to develop coolers that
>> deliver significantly lower oil temps with no increase in oil cooler
>> View more details
>> <http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/eppages/xseriesOilCooler.php>
>> 08-06154 2006X AIRFLOW OIL COOLER EXPMT *$432.00*
>> <http://www.aircraftspruce.com/neworderform.php?cmd=add&p=08-06154&q=1>
>> 08-06155 2008X AIRFLOW OIL COOLER EXPMT *$493.00*
>> <http://www.aircraftspruce.com/neworderform.php?cmd=add&p=08-06155&q=1>
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --- On *Fri, 8/21/09, Don McDonald /<building_partner@yahoo.com>/*
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>> From: Don McDonald <building_partner@yahoo.com>
>> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Oil Cooler Size On RV-10...?
>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>> Date: Friday, August 21, 2009, 1:49 AM
>>
>> Ditto on the unit from Alex.... with the exception of the reduction
>> in cooling... certainly NOT 20%.... considering 200 degrees, we'd be
>> talking about a 40 degree reduction. Plan on a reduction of between
>> 5 and 15.
>> Don McDonald
>>
>> --- On *Thu, 8/20/09, AirMike /<Mikeabel@Pacbell.net>/* wrote:
>>
>>
>> From: AirMike <Mikeabel@Pacbell.net>
>> Subject: RV10-List: Re: Oil Cooler Size On RV-10...?
>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>> Date: Thursday, August 20, 2009, 10:16 PM
>>
>>
>> <http://us.mc537.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=Mikeabel@Pacbell.net>>
>>
>> I do not know about Van's, but Alex DeDominicis (Aviation tech
>> products)sells one that has the identical dimensions as Van's
>> unit for the 10 and supposedly has 20% better cooling. Alex is a
>> good guy and with the difference from the cost of the Van's
>> product - it was about $100 more. Seems to work fine.
>>
>> --------
>> OSH '09 or Bust (busted) be there someday
>> Q/B Kit - end game
>>
>>
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