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1. 04:26 AM - Re: Glastar flyer/ RV10 builder (David McNeill)
2. 04:53 AM - Re: Glastar flyer/ RV10 builder (David McNeill)
3. 05:13 AM - Re: Glastar flyer/ RV10 builder (Werner Schneider)
4. 07:18 AM - Power point presentation on LOP (Sheldon Olesen)
5. 08:17 AM - Re: Glastar flyer/ RV10 builder (David McNeill)
6. 08:17 AM - Re: Power point presentation on LOP (Tim Olson)
7. 08:18 AM - Re: Re: Oil Cooler Size On RV-10...? (Michael Baldwin)
8. 08:20 AM - Re: Power point presentation on LOP (Linn Walters)
9. 08:48 AM - Re: Re: Oil Cooler Size On RV-10...? (Tim Olson)
10. 08:49 AM - Re: Re: Oil Cooler Size On RV-10...? (Tim Olson)
11. 09:22 AM - Re: Power point presentation on LOP (John Cox)
12. 11:54 AM - If you didn't get the power point (Sheldon Olesen)
13. 01:15 PM - Re: If you didn't get the power point (Jesse Saint)
14. 01:39 PM - Question on Control Cables & FAB (jayb)
15. 02:23 PM - Re: Re: Oil Cooler Size On RV-10...? (pilotdds@aol.com)
16. 02:38 PM - Re: Power point presentation on LOP (Kelly McMullen)
17. 02:55 PM - Airflow oil cooler splitter/diffuser pics (kinda) (Deems Davis)
18. 04:25 PM - Wanted--Bent whip Com antenna (Kelly McMullen)
19. 04:57 PM - Re: Power point presentation on LOP (gary)
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| Subject: | Glastar flyer/ RV10 builder |
Do not have an account there. In the past when we fixed the toe in problem
for the tri gear, I sent Prizzio the procedure and the results, and he did
nothing with it as I understood.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Werner Schneider
Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 10:37 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Glastar flyer/ RV10 builder
David, as far as I can remember there are several, why not post it in the
Glastar Net Forum or do you have no account there?
Werner
do not archive
David McNeill wrote:
> IIRC there was an RV10 builder who was flying a Glastar for fun while
> building. If he will identify himself off list I will send pictures of
> the use of an RV10 nose fork on the Glastar to improve rough/soft
> field performance. Just completed the Glastar mod this morning to
> 15/600-5 main wheels and a 500-5 nose wheel.
>
> N46007 RV10 190TT
> N48007 Glastar 515TT
> *
>
>
> *
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| Subject: | Glastar flyer/ RV10 builder |
We are using the same setup for both Glastar and RV10. Correct Matco
wheel,
Matco axle, 500-5 tire with standard type III tube, Vans fork and
AN6-65A
bolt.
_____
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Cox
Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 11:11 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Glastar flyer/ RV10 builder
John Jessen, it is time to step forward for flying the Glastar N531CE
while
your RV-10 N212PJ kit #40328 needs the nose wheel improvement.
John Cox
_____
From: Werner Schneider
Sent: Sun 8/23/2009 10:36 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Glastar flyer/ RV10 builder
David, as far as I can remember there are several, why not post it in
the Glastar Net Forum or do you have no account there?
Werner
do not archive
David McNeill wrote:
> IIRC there was an RV10 builder who was flying a Glastar for fun while
> building. If he will identify himself off list I will send pictures of
> the use of an RV10 nose fork on the Glastar to improve rough/soft
> field performance. Just completed the Glastar mod this morning to
> 15/600-5 main wheels and a 500-5 nose wheel.
>
> N46007 RV10 190TT
> N48007 Glastar 515TT
> *
>
>
> *
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| Subject: | Re: Glastar flyer/ RV10 builder |
Hi David,
I can remember seeing your article in a flyer a while ago. Anyway things
have changed a new forum run by Omar and Marc took over the association.
If you like I would post it for you there when you send it to me glastar
at gmx dot net
Michael should also bee a Glastar flyer hidding here ;o)
Take care
cheers Werner
David McNeill wrote:
>
> Do not have an account there. In the past when we fixed the toe in problem
> for the tri gear, I sent Prizzio the procedure and the results, and he did
> nothing with it as I understood.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Werner Schneider
> Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 10:37 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Glastar flyer/ RV10 builder
>
>
> David, as far as I can remember there are several, why not post it in the
> Glastar Net Forum or do you have no account there?
>
> Werner
>
> do not archive
>
> David McNeill wrote:
>
>> IIRC there was an RV10 builder who was flying a Glastar for fun while
>> building. If he will identify himself off list I will send pictures of
>> the use of an RV10 nose fork on the Glastar to improve rough/soft
>> field performance. Just completed the Glastar mod this morning to
>> 15/600-5 main wheels and a 500-5 nose wheel.
>>
>> N46007 RV10 190TT
>> N48007 Glastar 515TT
>> *
>>
>>
>> *
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Power point presentation on LOP |
If anyone is interested there is a power point presentation by one of
the GAMI guys on LOP operations. It details where the problem ROP
and LOP temps are (the RED Box). The List won't accept the format so
email me off list for a copy.
Sheldon Olesen
N475PV 106 hours
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| Subject: | Glastar flyer/ RV10 builder |
After installing the larger tires on the Glastar we realized a small error
in the drawings so will send them to you when revised. Will need to figure
how to scan them as my AIO MFP from HP does not work with Vista and my local
area net. I don't know whether I can find the old write up for the toe in
procedure, but could probably recreate if desired.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Werner Schneider
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 5:09 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Glastar flyer/ RV10 builder
Hi David,
I can remember seeing your article in a flyer a while ago. Anyway things
have changed a new forum run by Omar and Marc took over the association.
If you like I would post it for you there when you send it to me glastar at
gmx dot net
Michael should also bee a Glastar flyer hidding here ;o)
Take care
cheers Werner
David McNeill wrote:
>
> Do not have an account there. In the past when we fixed the toe in
> problem for the tri gear, I sent Prizzio the procedure and the
> results, and he did nothing with it as I understood.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Werner
> Schneider
> Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 10:37 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Glastar flyer/ RV10 builder
>
>
> David, as far as I can remember there are several, why not post it in
> the Glastar Net Forum or do you have no account there?
>
> Werner
>
> do not archive
>
> David McNeill wrote:
>
>> IIRC there was an RV10 builder who was flying a Glastar for fun while
>> building. If he will identify himself off list I will send pictures
>> of the use of an RV10 nose fork on the Glastar to improve rough/soft
>> field performance. Just completed the Glastar mod this morning to
>> 15/600-5 main wheels and a 500-5 nose wheel.
>>
>> N46007 RV10 190TT
>> N48007 Glastar 515TT
>> *
>>
>>
>> *
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Power point presentation on LOP |
Sheldon, if you can get me the link, I'll add it to the write-up
where people can grab it. I don't want to put the original file
in a public write-up though, because I've had my hand slapped once
for even posting a screenshot of a companies website. ;)
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
do not archive
Sheldon Olesen wrote:
>
> If anyone is interested there is a power point presentation by one of
> the GAMI guys on LOP operations. It details where the problem ROP and
> LOP temps are (the RED Box). The List won't accept the format so email
> me off list for a copy.
>
>
> Sheldon Olesen
> N475PV 106 hours
>
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| Subject: | Re: Oil Cooler Size On RV-10...? |
No photo - but I think we had a drawing From Airflow that I can dig out and
scan
It's at the airport so may take a few days to get back to you
Later
Mike
--- On Fri, 8/21/09, pilotdds@aol.com <pilotdds@aol.com> wrote:
From: pilotdds@aol.com <pilotdds@aol.com>
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Oil Cooler Size On RV-10...?
Mike do you have any photos of your mods to the oil cooler box?
-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Baldwin <michaelbaldwin7475@sbcglobal.net>
Sent: Fri, Aug 21, 2009 2:03 pm
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Oil Cooler Size On RV-10...?
We put the Airflow-2008X on our RV-10 since our oil temps where higher th
an we liked
And saw a-10 - 20-degree F drop as a result
We also installed-a baffle that splits the air flow in the Van's standard
box per recommendation from Airflow (these guys had a lot of good experien
ce with the RV-10 people)
You do have to modify Van's oil cooler-box to bolt the 2008X on inplace o
f the standard cooler, but it can be done.- Basically-you have to turn
the cooler 90 degrees and fold out the vertical sides of the box, drill a f
ew holes and bolt on.- Actually pretty simple change.- I felt it was wo
rth
-
High oil temps for us was only during summer hot days coupled with-slow f
light conditions 120 -- 150 mph range. if you keep the speed up to 160 or
better its usually ok
Example would be 90-degree day and slow flight around the-pattern or si
ght seeing low and slow the temp would get up to 230 F.- Now with larger
cooler it only hits 210 F.- Our 6 position CHT numbers have always been 3
50 or lower regarding engine temp, so the cowling / baffling seams tight an
d working good.
The slow flght condition appears to be more of the issue.- I would bet a
cowl flap right under the cooler would-also work, be interested to hear i
f any one has done that yet.-
-
Mike Baldwin--(see add below )
-
- Engine Parts---Oil Coolers---Airflow Systems
X-SERIES OIL COOLERS BY AIRFLOW SYSTEM
The first new aircraft oil cooler design in 50 years. Computer modeling and
flight testing have been used to develop coolers that deliver significantl
y lower oil temps with no increase in oil cooler
View more details
08-06154
2006X AIRFLOW OIL COOLER EXPMT
$432.00
08-06155
2008X AIRFLOW OIL COOLER EXPMT
$493.00
-
-
--- On Fri, 8/21/09, Don McDonald <building_partner@yahoo.com> wrote:
From: Don McDonald <building_partner@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Oil Cooler Size On RV-10...?
Ditto on the unit from Alex.... with the exception of the reduction in cool
ing... certainly NOT 20%.... considering 200 degrees, we'd be talking about
a 40 degree reduction.- Plan on a reduction of between 5 and 15.
Don McDonald
--- On Thu, 8/20/09, AirMike <Mikeabel@Pacbell.net> wrote:
From: AirMike <Mikeabel@Pacbell.net>
Subject: RV10-List: Re: Oil Cooler Size On RV-10...?
I do not know about Van's, but Alex- DeDominicis (Aviation tech products)
sells one that has the identical dimensions as Van's unit for the 10 and su
pposedly has 20% better cooling. Alex is a good guy and with the difference
from the cost of the Van's product - it was about $100 more. Seems to work
fine.
--------
OSH '09 or Bust (busted) be there someday
Q/B Kit - end game
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| Subject: | Re: Power point presentation on LOP |
I'm interested. Thanks,
Linn
Sheldon Olesen wrote:
>
> If anyone is interested there is a power point presentation by one of
> the GAMI guys on LOP operations. It details where the problem ROP and
> LOP temps are (the RED Box). The List won't accept the format so
> email me off list for a copy.
>
>
> Sheldon Olesen
> N475PV 106 hours
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Oil Cooler Size On RV-10...? |
Mike, that will be awesome if you can get the drawing.
Maybe they'll send it to me if I ask. I'll see.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
do not archive
Michael Baldwin wrote:
> No photo - but I think we had a drawing >From Airflow that I can dig out
> and scan
> It's at the airport so may take a few days to get back to you
> Later
> Mike
>
> --- On *Fri, 8/21/09, pilotdds@aol.com /<pilotdds@aol.com>/* wrote:
>
>
> From: pilotdds@aol.com <pilotdds@aol.com>
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Oil Cooler Size On RV-10...?
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Date: Friday, August 21, 2009, 5:10 PM
>
> Mike do you have any photos of your mods to the oil cooler box?
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Michael Baldwin <michaelbaldwin7475@sbcglobal.net>
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Fri, Aug 21, 2009 2:03 pm
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Oil Cooler Size On RV-10...?
>
> We put the Airflow 2008X on our RV-10 since our oil temps where
> higher than we liked
> And saw a 10 - 20 degree F drop as a result
> We also installed a baffle that splits the air flow in the Van's
> standard box per recommendation from Airflow (these guys had a lot
> of good experience with the RV-10 people)
> You do have to modify Van's oil cooler box to bolt the 2008X on
> inplace of the standard cooler, but it can be done. Basically you
> have to turn the cooler 90 degrees and fold out the vertical sides
> of the box, drill a few holes and bolt on. Actually pretty simple
> change. I felt it was worth
>
> High oil temps for us was only during summer hot days coupled
> with slow flight conditions 120 - 150 mph range. if you keep the
> speed up to 160 or better its usually ok
> Example would be 90 degree day and slow flight around the pattern or
> sight seeing low and slow the temp would get up to 230 F. Now with
> larger cooler it only hits 210 F. Our 6 position CHT numbers have
> always been 350 or lower regarding engine temp, so the cowling /
> baffling seams tight and working good.
> The slow flght condition appears to be more of the issue. I would
> bet a cowl flap right under the cooler would also work, be
> interested to hear if any one has done that yet.
>
> Mike Baldwin (see add below )
>
> */ Engine Parts
> <http://www.aircraftspruce.com/menus/ep/index.html> - Oil Coolers
> <http://www.aircraftspruce.com/menus/ep/oilcoolers.html> - Airflow
> Systems/*
> <http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/eppages/xseriesOilCooler.php>
> X-SERIES OIL COOLERS BY AIRFLOW SYSTEM
> <http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/eppages/xseriesOilCooler.php>
> The first new aircraft oil cooler design in 50 years. Computer
> modeling and flight testing have been used to develop coolers that
> deliver significantly lower oil temps with no increase in oil cooler
> View more details
> <http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/eppages/xseriesOilCooler.php>
> 08-06154 2006X AIRFLOW OIL COOLER EXPMT *$432.00*
> <http://www.aircraftspruce.com/neworderform.php?cmd=add&p=08-06154&q=1>
> 08-06155 2008X AIRFLOW OIL COOLER EXPMT *$493.00*
> <http://www.aircraftspruce.com/neworderform.php?cmd=add&p=08-06155&q=1>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
>
>
> --- On *Fri, 8/21/09, Don McDonald /<building_partner@yahoo.com
> <http://us.mc819.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=building_partner@yahoo.com>>/*
> wrote:
>
>
> From: Don McDonald <building_partner@yahoo.com
> <http://us.mc819.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=building_partner@yahoo.com>>
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Oil Cooler Size On RV-10...?
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> <http://us.mc819.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=rv10-list@matronics.com>
> Date: Friday, August 21, 2009, 1:49 AM
>
> Ditto on the unit from Alex.... with the exception of the
> reduction in cooling... certainly NOT 20%.... considering 200
> degrees, we'd be talking about a 40 degree reduction. Plan on a
> reduction of between 5 and 15.
> Don McDonald
>
> --- On *Thu, 8/20/09, AirMike /<Mikeabel@Pacbell.net
> <http://us.mc819.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=Mikeabel@Pacbell.net>>/*
> wrote:
>
>
> From: AirMike <Mikeabel@Pacbell.net
> <http://us.mc819.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=Mikeabel@Pacbell.net>>
> Subject: RV10-List: Re: Oil Cooler Size On RV-10...?
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> <http://us.mc819.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=rv10-list@matronics.com>
> Date: Thursday, August 20, 2009, 10:16 PM
>
> <Mikeabel@Pacbell.net
> <http://us.mc537.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=Mikeabel@Pacbell.net>>
>
> I do not know about Van's, but Alex DeDominicis (Aviation
> tech products)sells one that has the identical dimensions as
> Van's unit for the 10 and supposedly has 20% better cooling.
> Alex is a good guy and with the difference from the cost of
> the Van's product - it was about $100 more. Seems to work fine.
>
> --------
> OSH '09 or Bust (busted) be there someday
> Q/B Kit - end game
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
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| Subject: | Re: Oil Cooler Size On RV-10...? |
Nope, they give the drawing with the kit, which is $49.
I may have to get me one.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
do not archive
Michael Baldwin wrote:
> No photo - but I think we had a drawing >From Airflow that I can dig out
> and scan
> It's at the airport so may take a few days to get back to you
> Later
> Mike
>
> --- On *Fri, 8/21/09, pilotdds@aol.com /<pilotdds@aol.com>/* wrote:
>
>
> From: pilotdds@aol.com <pilotdds@aol.com>
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Oil Cooler Size On RV-10...?
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Date: Friday, August 21, 2009, 5:10 PM
>
> Mike do you have any photos of your mods to the oil cooler box?
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Michael Baldwin <michaelbaldwin7475@sbcglobal.net>
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Fri, Aug 21, 2009 2:03 pm
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Oil Cooler Size On RV-10...?
>
> We put the Airflow 2008X on our RV-10 since our oil temps where
> higher than we liked
> And saw a 10 - 20 degree F drop as a result
> We also installed a baffle that splits the air flow in the Van's
> standard box per recommendation from Airflow (these guys had a lot
> of good experience with the RV-10 people)
> You do have to modify Van's oil cooler box to bolt the 2008X on
> inplace of the standard cooler, but it can be done. Basically you
> have to turn the cooler 90 degrees and fold out the vertical sides
> of the box, drill a few holes and bolt on. Actually pretty simple
> change. I felt it was worth
>
> High oil temps for us was only during summer hot days coupled
> with slow flight conditions 120 - 150 mph range. if you keep the
> speed up to 160 or better its usually ok
> Example would be 90 degree day and slow flight around the pattern or
> sight seeing low and slow the temp would get up to 230 F. Now with
> larger cooler it only hits 210 F. Our 6 position CHT numbers have
> always been 350 or lower regarding engine temp, so the cowling /
> baffling seams tight and working good.
> The slow flght condition appears to be more of the issue. I would
> bet a cowl flap right under the cooler would also work, be
> interested to hear if any one has done that yet.
>
> Mike Baldwin (see add below )
>
> */ Engine Parts
> <http://www.aircraftspruce.com/menus/ep/index.html> - Oil Coolers
> <http://www.aircraftspruce.com/menus/ep/oilcoolers.html> - Airflow
> Systems/*
> <http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/eppages/xseriesOilCooler.php>
> X-SERIES OIL COOLERS BY AIRFLOW SYSTEM
> <http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/eppages/xseriesOilCooler.php>
> The first new aircraft oil cooler design in 50 years. Computer
> modeling and flight testing have been used to develop coolers that
> deliver significantly lower oil temps with no increase in oil cooler
> View more details
> <http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/eppages/xseriesOilCooler.php>
> 08-06154 2006X AIRFLOW OIL COOLER EXPMT *$432.00*
> <http://www.aircraftspruce.com/neworderform.php?cmd=add&p=08-06154&q=1>
> 08-06155 2008X AIRFLOW OIL COOLER EXPMT *$493.00*
> <http://www.aircraftspruce.com/neworderform.php?cmd=add&p=08-06155&q=1>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
>
>
> --- On *Fri, 8/21/09, Don McDonald /<building_partner@yahoo.com
> <http://us.mc819.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=building_partner@yahoo.com>>/*
> wrote:
>
>
> From: Don McDonald <building_partner@yahoo.com
> <http://us.mc819.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=building_partner@yahoo.com>>
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Oil Cooler Size On RV-10...?
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
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> Date: Friday, August 21, 2009, 1:49 AM
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> Ditto on the unit from Alex.... with the exception of the
> reduction in cooling... certainly NOT 20%.... considering 200
> degrees, we'd be talking about a 40 degree reduction. Plan on a
> reduction of between 5 and 15.
> Don McDonald
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> Subject: RV10-List: Re: Oil Cooler Size On RV-10...?
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> I do not know about Van's, but Alex DeDominicis (Aviation
> tech products)sells one that has the identical dimensions as
> Van's unit for the 10 and supposedly has 20% better cooling.
> Alex is a good guy and with the difference from the cost of
> the Van's product - it was about $100 more. Seems to work fine.
>
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> Q/B Kit - end game
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| Subject: | Power point presentation on LOP |
The powerpoint presentation on Tim's site would be great!
Taking the chance that I might be out of line with Tim and many of you
(What's new), I would like to point out one idea for consideration. FAR
43, Appendix D has as its last entry (j) as a catch all. You each might
ask your DAR if not doing Mag Timing at a Conditional is appropriate or
to be taken only cautiously before moving ahead. I have been instructed
that to maintain the TCDS on a Lycoming engine, it is the responsibility
of the repairman, mechanic to confirm the ignition system is providing
fire at the correct number of degrees from TDC. Almost all engines have
one systems a little off note. Klaus might have a perspective on this
idea. Some might assume it is the RV-10 owner's responsibility to
confirm correct ignition event prior to LOP ops or injector balancing
;-) I do not subscribe to 10:1 compression as introducing a problem to
correctly maintained engines. Some people love 8.7:1. A TN
(turbo-normalized) GAMI engine does just fine when all the musical
instruments are playing the same sheet of music at the same timing i.e.
Cirrus G3.
On a separate note, I hope a few of you will join me in November as Don
graduates a handful of us in his Airflow Performance FI class. It is
held in beautiful Spartanburg, just after the passing of the '09
hurricane season.
Running LOP and fuel injector balancing begins with the perception that
all of the concentric circles are aligned by you the technician.
Compression, Spark, Valve movement, Atmospherics (density of air
mass/temp/humidity) and the correct Air:Fuel ratio (Peak
Stoichiometric). As Deem's asked to bring it on, Kelly responded with
some sage advice.
There is good stuff there... Saving money, less carbon footprint and
knowledge of your respective system. Sheldon you are welcome to send it
my way.
John
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Sheldon
Olesen
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 6:50 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Power point presentation on LOP
If anyone is interested there is a power point presentation by one of
the GAMI guys on LOP operations. It details where the problem ROP
and LOP temps are (the RED Box). The List won't accept the format so
email me off list for a copy.
Sheldon Olesen
N475PV 106 hours
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| Subject: | If you didn't get the power point |
I have sent the power point presentation to every one who requested
one. If you wanted one and didn't get it, I'm sorry. I used
"Reply" on some some emails and and the list rejected them again. I
deleted the messages as I sent them so I don't know who didn't get
them. Send a new email and I'll get it to you.
Sheldon Olesen
N475PV
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| Subject: | Re: If you didn't get the power point |
That's a fantastic presentation and very informative. I'm in the
process right now, thanks to TO, of getting some tuned restrictors
from Airflow Performance to tune the -10. Again, that's another great
testimony of the helpfulness of this list.
do not archive
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse@saintaviation.com
Cell: 352-427-0285
Fax: 815-377-3694
On Aug 24, 2009, at 2:53 PM, Sheldon Olesen wrote:
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> I have sent the power point presentation to every one who requested
> one. If you wanted one and didn't get it, I'm sorry. I used
> "Reply" on some some emails and and the list rejected them again. I
> deleted the messages as I sent them so I don't know who didn't get
> them. Send a new email and I'll get it to you.
>
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> Sheldon Olesen
> N475PV
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| Subject: | Question on Control Cables & FAB |
FF3-2 (rev0): What torque to set for AN316-7R nuts? These are used to hold the
various control cables to their respective mounting brackets.
FF-FAB Figure 2: "Securing the Control Cable" shows the alt air cable as "route
to panel". Where have others routed it through the firewall? Any photos?
Thanks in advance to anyone who responds...
Regards,
Jay
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| Subject: | Re: Oil Cooler Size On RV-10...? |
thanks
-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Baldwin <michaelbaldwin7475@sbcglobal.net>
Sent: Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:13 am
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Oil Cooler Size On RV-10...?
No photo - but I think we had a drawing >From Airflow that I can dig out and scan
It's at the airport so may take a few days to get back to you
Later
Mike
--- On Fri, 8/21/09, pilotdds@aol.com <pilotdds@aol.com> wrote:
From: pilotdds@aol.com <pilotdds@aol.com>
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Oil Cooler Size On RV-10...?
Mike do you have any photos of your mods to the oil cooler box?
-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Baldwin <michaelbaldwin7475@sbcglobal.net>
Sent: Fri, Aug 21, 2009 2:03 pm
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Oil Cooler Size On RV-10...?
We put the Airflow?2008X on our RV-10 since our oil temps where higher than we
liked
And saw a?10 - 20?degree F drop as a result
We also installed?a baffle that splits the air flow in the Van's standard box per
recommendation from Airflow (these guys had a lot of good experience with the
RV-10 people)
You do have to modify Van's oil cooler?box to bolt the 2008X on inplace of the
standard cooler, but it can be done.? Basically?you have to turn the cooler 90
degrees and fold out the vertical sides of the box, drill a few holes and bolt
on.? Actually pretty simple change.? I felt it was worth
?
High oil temps for us was only during summer hot days coupled with?slow flight
conditions 120 -? 150 mph range. if you keep the speed up to 160 or better its
usually ok
Example would be 90?degree day and slow flight around the?pattern or sight seeing
low and slow the temp would get up to 230 F.? Now with larger cooler it only
hits 210 F.? Our 6 position CHT numbers have always been 350 or lower regarding
engine temp, so the cowling / baffling seams tight and working good.
The slow flght condition appears to be more of the issue.? I would bet a cowl flap
right under the cooler would?also work, be interested to hear if any one has
done that yet.?
?
Mike Baldwin??(see add below )
?
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--- On Fri, 8/21/09, Don McDonald <building_partner@yahoo.com> wrote:
From: Don McDonald <building_partner@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Oil Cooler Size On RV-10...?
Ditto on the unit from Alex.... with the exception of the reduction in cooling...
certainly NOT 20%.... considering 200 degrees, we'd be talking about a 40 degree
reduction.? Plan on a reduction of between 5 and 15.
Don McDonald
--- On Thu, 8/20/09, AirMike <Mikeabel@Pacbell.net> wrote:
From: AirMike <Mikeabel@Pacbell.net>
Subject: RV10-List: Re: Oil Cooler Size On RV-10...?
I do not know about Van's, but Alex? DeDominicis (Aviation tech products)sells
one that has the identical dimensions as Van's unit for the 10 and supposedly
has 20% better cooling. Alex is a good guy and with the difference from the cost
of the Van's product - it was about $100 more. Seems to work fine.
--------
OSH '09 or Bust (busted) be there someday
Q/B Kit - end game
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| Subject: | Re: Power point presentation on LOP |
Yes, checking mag timing is a required task for an A&P/IA on a
certified plane for 100 hour or annual. As I understand it, a
repairman doing condition inspection must develop a checklist equal to
or in greater depth than Part 43 Appendix D, so I believe ignition
timing should be a requirement.
That said, the TIO540 in Mooney TLS/Bravo is one of the most difficult
engines around to run LOP. Symptoms indicate it is either the
pressurized Slick mags, or the combustion chamber design. Some will
run fine LOP, including one I know of, that as soon as one of the
Slick mags was overhauled, would no longer run LOP at all. On that
engine the mags often require overhaul in less than 500 hours.
They also tend to tear up exhaust systems when run LOP. Don't
understand that either, just what owners have experienced.
The Lycoming IO-540 is a very different engine than the IO550
Continental the Cirrus operates with, and stock compression is 8.5:1.
The TCM runs fine LOP. Not all Lyc IO-540s will.
On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 9:20 AM, John Cox<johnwcox@pacificnw.com> wrote:
> ;-) I do not subscribe to 10:1 compression as introducing a problem to
> correctly maintained engines. Some people love 8.7:1. A TN
> (turbo-normalized) GAMI engine does just fine when all the musical
> instruments are playing the same sheet of music at the same timing i.e.
> Cirrus G3.
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| Subject: | Airflow oil cooler splitter/diffuser pics (kinda) |
I found the paper that came with the Airflow oil cooler 'splitter' at
the hangar today. I've scanned it and am attaching it to this message.
It's got a couple of pictures of it installed.
Deems Davis N519PJ
http://deemsrv10.com/index.html
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| Subject: | Wanted--Bent whip Com antenna |
I would like to find a used or uninstalled/not needed Comant CI-122 or
equivalent bent whip com antenna. I have both a used Comant CI-121
antenna, and a Mooney "7" style antenna(also used on some Pipers) that I
can offer in partial trade or whatever deal might be possible.
Kelly McMullen
RV-10 under construction
Mooney M20E
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| Subject: | Power point presentation on LOP |
Speaking of condition inspections, does any one have a good checklist? I
have one I made up but it might be nice to cross check it.
Gary Specketer
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kelly McMullen
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 4:27 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Power point presentation on LOP
Yes, checking mag timing is a required task for an A&P/IA on a
certified plane for 100 hour or annual. As I understand it, a
repairman doing condition inspection must develop a checklist equal to
or in greater depth than Part 43 Appendix D, so I believe ignition
timing should be a requirement.
That said, the TIO540 in Mooney TLS/Bravo is one of the most difficult
engines around to run LOP. Symptoms indicate it is either the
pressurized Slick mags, or the combustion chamber design. Some will
run fine LOP, including one I know of, that as soon as one of the
Slick mags was overhauled, would no longer run LOP at all. On that
engine the mags often require overhaul in less than 500 hours.
They also tend to tear up exhaust systems when run LOP. Don't
understand that either, just what owners have experienced.
The Lycoming IO-540 is a very different engine than the IO550
Continental the Cirrus operates with, and stock compression is 8.5:1.
The TCM runs fine LOP. Not all Lyc IO-540s will.
On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 9:20 AM, John Cox<johnwcox@pacificnw.com> wrote:
> ;-) I do not subscribe to 10:1 compression as introducing a problem to
> correctly maintained engines. Some people love 8.7:1. A TN
> (turbo-normalized) GAMI engine does just fine when all the musical
> instruments are playing the same sheet of music at the same timing i.e.
> Cirrus G3.
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