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1. 03:04 AM - Re: Olsons great getaway writeup - A Gathering ???? (Russell Daves)
2. 06:35 AM - Re: Grab Handles (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
3. 06:36 AM - Re: Big Iron Envy (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
4. 07:02 AM - Re: Olsons great getaway writeup - A Gathering ???? (Deems Davis)
5. 07:23 AM - Re: Big Iron Envy (Pascal)
6. 07:45 AM - Re: Grab Handles (orchidman)
7. 07:50 AM - Re: Big Iron Envy (Dave Saylor)
8. 07:51 AM - Re: Grab Handles (Tim Olson)
9. 08:10 AM - Re: Olsons great getaway writeup - A Gathering ???? (pilotdds@AOL.COM)
10. 08:22 AM - Re: Winglts ? (David Shelton)
11. 08:44 AM - Re: Big Iron Envy (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
12. 08:51 AM - Re: Olsons great getaway writeup - A Gathering -Copperstate !!! (Deems Davis)
13. 08:53 AM - Re: Olsons great getaway writeup - A Gathering ???? (David McNeill)
14. 09:10 AM - Re: Re: Winglts ? (Dave Saylor)
15. 09:10 AM - Re: Olsons great getaway writeup - A Gathering -Copperstate !!! (David McNeill)
16. 09:11 AM - Re: Big Iron Envy (Robin Marks)
17. 09:12 AM - Re: Olsons great getaway writeup - A Gathering -Copperstate !!! (Robin Marks)
18. 09:22 AM - Re: Olsons great getaway writeup - A Gathering -Copperstate !!! (Pascal)
19. 09:46 AM - Re: Leaning for Climb, LOP ppt, and more (Bill DeRouchey)
20. 10:13 AM - Re: Grab Handles (David Maib)
21. 10:18 AM - Re: Grab Handles (Bill DeRouchey)
22. 10:39 AM - Re: Re: Winglts ? (Lew Gallagher)
23. 11:21 AM - Re: Question on Control Cables & FAB (jayb)
24. 11:22 AM - Re: Olsons great getaway writeup - A Gathering -Copperstate !!! (David McNeill)
25. 11:52 AM - Re: Airflow Oil Box Splitter (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
26. 11:53 AM - Re: Olsons great getaway writeup - A Gathering ???? (Tim Olson)
27. 12:10 PM - Re: Olsons great getaway writeup - A Gathering ???? (Deems Davis)
28. 12:38 PM - Re: Question on Control Cables & FAB (johngoodman)
29. 12:40 PM - Re: Leaning for Climb, LOP ppt, and more (Linn Walters)
30. 12:40 PM - Re: Leaning for Climb, LOP ppt, and more (Robert Brunkenhoefer)
31. 01:09 PM - Re: Re: Question on Control Cables & FAB (Linn Walters)
32. 01:36 PM - Re: Question on Control Cables & FAB (orchidman)
33. 02:14 PM - Re: Leaning for Climb, LOP ppt, and more (Kelly McMullen)
34. 02:23 PM - Re: Re: Question on Control Cables & FAB (Kelly McMullen)
35. 02:24 PM - Re: Olsons great getaway writeup - A Gathering -Copperstate !!! (Kelly McMullen)
36. 02:48 PM - Re: Airflow Oil Box Splitter (nukeflyboy)
37. 03:38 PM - Re: Re: Airflow Oil Box Splitter (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
38. 03:40 PM - Re: Olsons great getaway writeup - A Gathering ???? (Fred Williams, M.D.)
39. 03:43 PM - Bonded Edges of Windows (Jeff Carpenter)
40. 04:27 PM - Re: Olsons great getaway writeup - A Gathering -Copperstate !!! (William Souza)
41. 04:52 PM - AOPA magazine (pilotdds@aol.com)
42. 05:22 PM - Re: AOPA magazine (David McNeill)
43. 05:27 PM - Re: Olsons great getaway writeup - A Gathering -Copperstate !!! (Don McDonald)
44. 05:43 PM - 40G (David McNeill)
45. 05:50 PM - Re: 40G (Miller John)
46. 06:12 PM - Re: 40G (Dave Saylor)
47. 06:12 PM - Re: AOPA magazine (Dave Saylor)
48. 06:12 PM - Re: 40G (Dave Saylor)
49. 06:43 PM - Re: 40G (Jesse Saint)
50. 07:11 PM - Re: 40G (Robin Marks)
51. 07:11 PM - Re: 40G (richard sipp)
52. 07:11 PM - Re: 40G (Rene)
53. 07:13 PM - Re: Olsons great getaway writeup - A Gathering ???? (richard sipp)
54. 08:09 PM - Re: Olsons great getaway writeup - A Gathering -Copperstate !!! (Pascal)
55. 08:39 PM - Re: AOPA magazine (Tim Olson)
56. 09:22 PM - Re: 40G (Tim Olson)
57. 09:26 PM - Re: 40G (pilotdds@aol.com)
58. 09:52 PM - Re: Olsons great getaway writeup - A Gathering ???? (Deems Davis)
59. 09:54 PM - Re: Bonded Edges of Windows (Deems Davis)
60. 11:25 PM - Re: Bonded Edges of Windows (Dave Saylor)
61. 11:25 PM - Re: AOPA magazine (Dave Saylor)
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| Subject: | Re: Olsons great getaway writeup - A Gathering ???? |
I agree with deems. The next RV get together for Ann and I will be at
Larry Vetterman's Black Hills fly in and Mt. Rushmore aerial tour, on
9/11-13/09.
Check out the info here:
http://www.vansairforce.com/community/calendar.php?do=getinfo&day 0
9-9-11&c=1
Russ Daves
N710RV - 280+ hours
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Also, as one of the users of the S-10 overhead console mod, I plan on using the
center post to run wires up for the overhead lights and anything else I stick
in there like probably the 496 GPS antenna.
Michael
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Linn Walters
Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 10:53 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Grab Handles
Thanks to everyone for all the feedback on the center post! I'm not one
to ignore good advice. The post will be there when my bird flies!!!
Linn
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This is another great place to get LED replacement bulbs.
http://www.autolumination.com/
Michael
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@m
atronics.com] On Behalf Of Robin Marks
Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 12:43 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Big Iron Envy
RV-List,
In the past I have mentioned that a number of pilots have s
aid how bright & noticeable my Dual Wig Wag HID lights are from the ground
when I am on approach during the daylight hours. This is exactly what I wan
ted from the first day I saw my neighbor's Pilatus swoop into our home fiel
d with his flashing HID's a blazing. I think the little boy inside of me sa
id... "me want."
Well yesterday on a dusk flight departing the LA basin ATC
called traffic "South West 737 you have RV-10 Traffic 10 O'clock, 17 miles
8,500 feet. November 110EE traffic 2:00 O'clock descending out of one-one-
thousand feet a Boeing 737." Before I could respond the South West 737 repl
ied Traffic Insight. Moments later the SW pilot told me through the control
ler "that is some light system he has on his RV-10, it's really easy to pic
k up" COOL! Getting "at a boy's" from commercial pilots.
I consider the Wig-Wag HID's to be an important safety feature on my -10. S
eeing is avoiding.
The set up is nothing out of the ordinary with the exceptio
n of dual 35W HID lights placed in the leading edge. If interested I have a
page that shows the install. http://www.painttheweb.com/rv-10/Lights_LED
HID.htm . One more thing of note. When on that page you will also see some
pretty expensive (but nice) LED Position Lights. My next build is an RV-8A
and I have found a set of Red & Green LED bulbs for around $8.00 each inclu
ding wired sockets (eBay). These appear to be an excellent and cost effecti
ve solution vs. the printed circuit board LED's I used on my -10. Plus some
significant time savings to install as well. I will report results once fl
ying.
Not exactly the LED's I purchased but this gives you an idea of the concept
: eBay Item# 380151029392<http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/G18-67-67-Hyper-Gr
een-15-LED-Light-Bulb-12v-1156-61-63_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp3286Q2ec0Q2
em14QQhashZitem5882c45e90QQitemZ380151029392QQptZMotorsQ5fCarQ5fTruckQ5fPar
tsQ5fAccessories>
Robin
RV-4 Sold
RV-6A Sold
RV-10 75 Hours
RV-8A Flying 2010
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| Subject: | Re: Olsons great getaway writeup - A Gathering ???? |
Another possibility for those same dates is:Land Of Enchantment (LOE)
:http://www.vansairforce.com/community/showthread.php?t=41042&highlight=%22LOE%22
Deems Davis N519PJ
http://deemsrv10.com/index.html
Russell Daves wrote:
> I agree with deems. The next RV get together for Ann and I will be at
> Larry Vetterman's Black Hills fly in and Mt. Rushmore aerial tour, on
> 9/11-13/09.
>
> Check out the info here:
>
> http://www.vansairforce.com/community/calendar.php?do=getinfo&day 09-9-11&c=1
> <http://www.vansairforce.com/community/calendar.php?do=getinfo&day 09-9-11&c=1>
>
> Russ Daves
> N710RV - 280+ hours
>
> *
>
>
> *
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| Subject: | Re: Big Iron Envy |
As far as LED's there is a nice way to do this, I think when I used all
the LED's ( 8 in total) plexi, resistor and all it was about $80 for the
two Nav lights.
from Pete on VAF-
http://www.vansairforce.com/community/showthread.php?t=37018&highlight=
led+nav+light instructions of how to do and some better pictures than I
was able to take myself of my setup. Very bright!
As far those (like me) that just want to be seen without making a hole
in the leading edge (which actually allows there to be light for the
pilot to see) Here is an inexpensive option- David McNeill's plane is on
the website to show the difference of the wing tip lights (stock Van's-
vs Planelights) http://www.planelights.com/index.php?id=661
Pascal
From: Robin Marks
Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 10:43 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Big Iron Envy
RV-List,
In the past I have mentioned that a number of pilots
have said how bright & noticeable my Dual Wig Wag HID lights are from
the ground when I am on approach during the daylight hours. This is
exactly what I wanted from the first day I saw my neighbor's Pilatus
swoop into our home field with his flashing HID's a blazing. I think the
little boy inside of me said. "me want."
Well yesterday on a dusk flight departing the LA basin
ATC called traffic "South West 737 you have RV-10 Traffic 10 O'clock, 17
miles 8,500 feet. November 110EE traffic 2:00 O'clock descending out of
one-one-thousand feet a Boeing 737." Before I could respond the South
West 737 replied Traffic Insight. Moments later the SW pilot told me
through the controller "that is some light system he has on his RV-10,
it's really easy to pick up" COOL! Getting "at a boy's" from commercial
pilots.
I consider the Wig-Wag HID's to be an important safety feature on my
-10. Seeing is avoiding.
The set up is nothing out of the ordinary with the
exception of dual 35W HID lights placed in the leading edge. If
interested I have a page that shows the install.
http://www.painttheweb.com/rv-10/Lights_LEDHID.htm . One more thing of
note. When on that page you will also see some pretty expensive (but
nice) LED Position Lights. My next build is an RV-8A and I have found a
set of Red & Green LED bulbs for around $8.00 each including wired
sockets (eBay). These appear to be an excellent and cost effective
solution vs. the printed circuit board LED's I used on my -10. Plus some
significant time savings to install as well. I will report results once
flying.
Not exactly the LED's I purchased but this gives you an idea of the
concept: eBay Item# 380151029392
Robin
RV-4 Sold
RV-6A Sold
RV-10 75 Hours
RV-8A Flying 2010
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| Subject: | Re: Grab Handles |
msausen wrote:
> Also, as one of the users of the S-10 overhead console mod, I plan on using the
center post to run wires up for the overhead lights and anything else I stick
in there like probably the 496 GPS antenna.
> Michael--
I considered that but put my 496 GPS antenna on the glare shield just to the left
of where the center post goes through the glare shield. I put the WX antenna
just to the right of the post. I cut the hole in the glare shield where the
post penetrates it larger on the left side to get the connectors through it.
When flying I have not noted any interference in my view. We sit high enough that
the antennas are below the our view of the outside.
--------
Gary Blankenbiller
RV10 - # 40674
(N2GB Flying)
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=259690#259690
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| Subject: | Re: Big Iron Envy |
Robin,
Which Wig-Wag are you using? After I installed the Planelights HIDs in my
wingtips, I was told by Eric Jones in no uncertain terms that HIDs would
ruin the wig-wag he sells (from Perihelion Design). I had one of his WW
switches installed, and it worked fine for the halogens. But it came out
after the HIDs were installed, and I miss it!
How does your wig wag handle the warm-up period, or is there one?
I agree, the WW is a pretty significant safety improvement. Did I
understand the jet saw you at 10+ miles? Wow!
Dave Saylor
AirCrafters LLC
140 Aviation Way
Watsonville, CA 95076
831-722-9141 Shop
831-750-0284 Cell
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| Subject: | Re: Grab Handles |
I forgot all about that aspect! Yes, I have 2 antenna wires up
the grab bar, and also some wires for LED lights. So without
that, you'd absolutely have to have an overhead console because
there is no other good way to get wires up there for lights.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
RV Builder (Michael Sausen) wrote:
>
> Also, as one of the users of the S-10 overhead console mod, I plan on using the
center post to run wires up for the overhead lights and anything else I stick
in there like probably the 496 GPS antenna.
>
> Michael
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Linn Walters
> Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 10:53 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Grab Handles
>
>
> Thanks to everyone for all the feedback on the center post! I'm not one
> to ignore good advice. The post will be there when my bird flies!!!
> Linn
>
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| Subject: | Re: Olsons great getaway writeup - A Gathering ???? |
Are you going to host the first event,I understand Az is nice in the fall?
-----Original Message-----
From: Deems Davis <deemsdavis@cox.net>
Sent: Tue, Aug 25, 2009 10:09 pm
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Olsons great getaway writeup - A Gathering ????
?
I like this idea ... RV10 gathering/s. OSH is definitely a great gathering, but
I'd love to see if there's any interest in getting together somewhere with some
other builder/flyers. I think the biggest attraction to OSH for me is just
getting to visit with other similarly 'infected' types.?
?
I monitor the SoCal RV list, and they routinely have several posts each week where
several people connect and either meet somewhere or fly somewhere together.
I realize we're spread across the US and the logistics are greatly expanded,
but it would be nice if we developed into the kind of group that routinely met
and flew together either regionally or otherwise.?
?
What if people just used this list to post ideas about where, who, and when they
would like to take a trip with some others? and let people naturally connect?
If it turns out to be a benefit, who know someone might set up part of a website
as an " I want to take a trip' bulletin board.?
?
Deems Davis N519PJ?
http://deemsrv10.com/index.html?
?
Tim Olson wrote:?
>?
> I just do it to try to get you all to finish up so we can have?
> some great RV-10 gatherings. :)?
> Tim?
>?
?
?
?
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One of my friends is a leading winglet designer and here is my understanding...
If they are carefully optimized in a wind tunnel (airfoils, cant, sweep, twist,
etc), they can decrease drag by a very small amount (0.5 to 1.5% on a sailplane).
However, without expert design and testing, the winglets will almost certainly
increase drag.
Increasing the wingspan (higher aspect ratio) is a better way to reduce drag. If
you have no limitations on your wingspan (hangar space, sailplane class rules,
etc.), this is a better way to kill induced drag.
For the RV-10, I believe you would get a lot more bang-for-the-buck with these
improvements:
1) Seal your flaps. When retracted, the leading edge of the flap should nest against
a foam-rubber seal. This will prevent air from flowing through the gap and
creating interference drag.
2) Wingroot fairings. These should start with a very small radius at the leading
edge. Beginning at the thickest part of the wing, the radius should gently grow.
Some people make them backwards!
VGs can boost your maximum lift (lower stall, shorter take-off) but they generate
drag and reduce your high-speed performance. If STOL isn't your primary mission
(you probably shouldn't have an RV-10 if it is), then I wouldn't worry about
them.
In the case of the Columbia 400, I believe the VGs were used to improve the stall/spin
characteristics at high-altitude. Without them, I heard that it gives
an abrupt stall with unpredictable wing drop. The VGs took care of this problem
but with a corresponding drag penalty.
-David
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=259708#259708
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The key with wig-wagging HID's is that you have to give them a warm up pe
riod before they go to wig-wag mode or you will fry them. Most wig-wag set
ups for HID's will turn them on for a minute or so before switching to that
mode allowing them to fully warm up.
Michael
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@m
atronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave Saylor
Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 9:48 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Big Iron Envy
Robin,
Which Wig-Wag are you using? After I installed the Planelights HIDs in my
wingtips, I was told by Eric Jones in no uncertain terms that HIDs would ru
in the wig-wag he sells (from Perihelion Design). I had one of his WW swit
ches installed, and it worked fine for the halogens. But it came out after
the HIDs were installed, and I miss it!
How does your wig wag handle the warm-up period, or is there one?
I agree, the WW is a pretty significant safety improvement. Did I understa
nd the jet saw you at 10+ miles? Wow!
Dave Saylor
AirCrafters LLC
140 Aviation Way
Watsonville, CA 95076
831-722-9141 Shop
831-750-0284 Cell
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| Subject: | Re: Olsons great getaway writeup - A Gathering -Copperstate |
!!!
Absolutely ! We've got Copperstate coming up in Oct : (23-24)
http://www.copperstate.org/csj/ We had about a dozen -10 builders /
flyers here last year, Myron Nelson brought his 5th wheel trailer over
and cooked Carne Asada diiner for everyone. He even had a banner made up
w/ RV-10 HQ on it. There were 3-4 RV-10's that flew their planes in. I
personally know of at least one more that will be flying in this year
;-) . He may even be able to be talked into giving some rides.
We've got 4 flying RV10's in the area:
David McNeil
Bill DeRouchey
Al Gardner
Myself.
And several more under construction.
Maybe we would could talk you Jim and Robin Marks into coming over from
CA, and Rick Sked to come down from Las Vegas, Scott to come down from
SLC. Heck if we can get that many -10's I'm pretty sure I can arrange
for us to get a 'designated parking area' set aside for us. That time of
the year the weather is GREAT! Visibilities are unlimited. And Av Gas in
Casa Grande is some of the cheapest in AZ.
I'd be happy to work on arrangements. and possibly some group activities.
Who's interested????????
Deems Davis N519PJ
http://deemsrv10.com/index.html
pilotdds@aol.com wrote:
> Are you going to host the first event,I understand Az is nice in the fall?
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Deems Davis <deemsdavis@cox.net>
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Tue, Aug 25, 2009 10:09 pm
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Olsons great getaway writeup - A Gathering ????
>
> <mailto:deemsdavis@cox.net>>
>
> I like this idea ... RV10 gathering/s. OSH is definitely a great
> gathering, but I'd love to see if there's any interest in getting
> together somewhere with some other builder/flyers. I think the biggest
> attraction to OSH for me is just getting to visit with other similarly
> 'infected' types.
>
> I monitor the SoCal RV list, and they routinely have several posts
> each week where several people connect and either meet somewhere or
> fly somewhere together. I realize we're spread across the US and the
> logistics are greatly expanded, but it would be nice if we developed
> into the kind of group that routinely met and flew together either
> regionally or otherwise.
>
> What if people just used this list to post ideas about where, who, and
> when they would like to take a trip with some others? and let people
> naturally connect? If it turns out to be a benefit, who know someone
> might set up part of a website as an " I want to take a trip' bulletin
> board.
>
> Deems Davis N519PJ
> http://deemsrv10.com/index.html
>
> Tim Olson wrote:
> <mailto:Tim@myrv10.com>>
> >
> > I just do it to try to get you all to finish up so we can have
> > some great RV-10 gatherings. :)
> > Tim
> >
>
>
>
> *
>
>
> *
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| Subject: | Olsons great getaway writeup - A Gathering ???? |
The LOE at 5t6 I believe is Oct 9-11.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Deems Davis
Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 6:57 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Olsons great getaway writeup - A Gathering ????
Another possibility for those same dates is:Land Of Enchantment (LOE)
:http://www.vansairforce.com/community/showthread.php?t=41042&highlight=%22L
OE%22
Deems Davis N519PJ
http://deemsrv10.com/index.html
Russell Daves wrote:
> I agree with deems. The next RV get together for Ann and I will be at
> Larry Vetterman's Black Hills fly in and Mt. Rushmore aerial tour, on
> 9/11-13/09.
>
> Check out the info here:
>
> http://www.vansairforce.com/community/calendar.php?do=getinfo&day 09
> -9-11&c=1
> <http://www.vansairforce.com/community/calendar.php?do=getinfo&day 0
> 9-9-11&c=1>
>
> Russ Daves
> N710RV - 280+ hours
>
> *
>
>
> *
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David,
I agree about the winglets.
But in regard to the RV-10 specifically, I think a strip of foam in the
flap cove might reduce flap effectiveness by disrupting the air through the
gap when the flaps are down. The gap is referred to as a "nozzle", which
makes me think that the air going through it is being managed to at least
some degree. Wouldn't a span-wise strip disrupt that flow? Besides, I
think that the upper skin, which should contact the top of the flap, does a
pretty good job of sealing off that airflow. I don't have any hard facts on
any of this, just my .02.
Dave Saylor
AirCrafters LLC
140 Aviation Way
Watsonville, CA 95076
831-722-9141 Shop
831-750-0284 Cell
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| Subject: | Olsons great getaway writeup - A Gathering -Copperstate |
!!!
I will be at Copperstate. Will probably fly in all four days.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Deems Davis
Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 8:48 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Olsons great getaway writeup - A Gathering
-Copperstate !!!
Absolutely ! We've got Copperstate coming up in Oct : (23-24)
http://www.copperstate.org/csj/ We had about a dozen -10 builders / flyers
here last year, Myron Nelson brought his 5th wheel trailer over and cooked
Carne Asada diiner for everyone. He even had a banner made up w/ RV-10 HQ on
it. There were 3-4 RV-10's that flew their planes in. I personally know of
at least one more that will be flying in this year
;-) . He may even be able to be talked into giving some rides.
We've got 4 flying RV10's in the area:
David McNeil
Bill DeRouchey
Al Gardner
Myself.
And several more under construction.
Maybe we would could talk you Jim and Robin Marks into coming over from CA,
and Rick Sked to come down from Las Vegas, Scott to come down from SLC. Heck
if we can get that many -10's I'm pretty sure I can arrange for us to get a
'designated parking area' set aside for us. That time of the year the
weather is GREAT! Visibilities are unlimited. And Av Gas in Casa Grande is
some of the cheapest in AZ.
I'd be happy to work on arrangements. and possibly some group activities.
Who's interested????????
Deems Davis N519PJ
http://deemsrv10.com/index.html
pilotdds@aol.com wrote:
> Are you going to host the first event,I understand Az is nice in the fall?
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Deems Davis <deemsdavis@cox.net>
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Tue, Aug 25, 2009 10:09 pm
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Olsons great getaway writeup - A Gathering ????
>
> <mailto:deemsdavis@cox.net>>
>
> I like this idea ... RV10 gathering/s. OSH is definitely a great
> gathering, but I'd love to see if there's any interest in getting
> together somewhere with some other builder/flyers. I think the biggest
> attraction to OSH for me is just getting to visit with other similarly
> 'infected' types.
>
> I monitor the SoCal RV list, and they routinely have several posts
> each week where several people connect and either meet somewhere or
> fly somewhere together. I realize we're spread across the US and the
> logistics are greatly expanded, but it would be nice if we developed
> into the kind of group that routinely met and flew together either
> regionally or otherwise.
>
> What if people just used this list to post ideas about where, who, and
> when they would like to take a trip with some others? and let people
> naturally connect? If it turns out to be a benefit, who know someone
> might set up part of a website as an " I want to take a trip' bulletin
> board.
>
> Deems Davis N519PJ
> http://deemsrv10.com/index.html
>
> Tim Olson wrote:
> <mailto:Tim@myrv10.com>>
> >
> > I just do it to try to get you all to finish up so we can have some
> > great RV-10 gatherings. :) Tim
> >
>
>
>
> *
>
>
> *
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At the time there were limited choices. There was someone selling a
small module for something like $30 but I didn't want to risk the
expensive HID system on an unknown W/W module so I spent the extra $ and
purchased the XePulse module
http://www.xevision.com/hid_prices.html#pulsingprices $165 to $195. I
understand from Duckworth that the MaxPulse Flasher is also a very nice
unit (with warm up mode) for $140 http://www.duckworksav.com/WigWag.html
but the MaxPulse may violate a XePulse patent so Duckworks has been
forced to close out it's inventory.
As I did not stay at a Holiday In Express last night PLEASE do the
research to make sure any unit you purchase works with your
manufacturers HID lights.
Robin
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave Saylor
Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 7:48 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Big Iron Envy
Robin,
Which Wig-Wag are you using? After I installed the Planelights HIDs in
my wingtips, I was told by Eric Jones in no uncertain terms that HIDs
would ruin the wig-wag he sells (from Perihelion Design). I had one of
his WW switches installed, and it worked fine for the halogens. But it
came out after the HIDs were installed, and I miss it!
How does your wig wag handle the warm-up period, or is there one?
I agree, the WW is a pretty significant safety improvement. Did I
understand the jet saw you at 10+ miles? Wow!
Dave Saylor
AirCrafters LLC
140 Aviation Way
Watsonville, CA 95076
831-722-9141 Shop
831-750-0284 Cell
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| Subject: | Olsons great getaway writeup - A Gathering -Copperstate |
!!!
I am definitely flying into Copperstate this year.
Robin
N110EE
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Deems Davis
Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 8:48 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Olsons great getaway writeup - A Gathering
-Copperstate !!!
Absolutely ! We've got Copperstate coming up in Oct : (23-24)
http://www.copperstate.org/csj/ We had about a dozen -10 builders /
flyers here last year, Myron Nelson brought his 5th wheel trailer over
and cooked Carne Asada diiner for everyone. He even had a banner made up
w/ RV-10 HQ on it. There were 3-4 RV-10's that flew their planes in. I
personally know of at least one more that will be flying in this year
;-) . He may even be able to be talked into giving some rides.
We've got 4 flying RV10's in the area:
David McNeil
Bill DeRouchey
Al Gardner
Myself.
And several more under construction.
Maybe we would could talk you Jim and Robin Marks into coming over from
CA, and Rick Sked to come down from Las Vegas, Scott to come down from
SLC. Heck if we can get that many -10's I'm pretty sure I can arrange
for us to get a 'designated parking area' set aside for us. That time of
the year the weather is GREAT! Visibilities are unlimited. And Av Gas in
Casa Grande is some of the cheapest in AZ.
I'd be happy to work on arrangements. and possibly some group
activities.
Who's interested????????
Deems Davis N519PJ
http://deemsrv10.com/index.html
pilotdds@aol.com wrote:
> Are you going to host the first event,I understand Az is nice in the
fall?
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Deems Davis <deemsdavis@cox.net>
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Tue, Aug 25, 2009 10:09 pm
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Olsons great getaway writeup - A Gathering
????
>
> <mailto:deemsdavis@cox.net>>
>
> I like this idea ... RV10 gathering/s. OSH is definitely a great
> gathering, but I'd love to see if there's any interest in getting
> together somewhere with some other builder/flyers. I think the biggest
> attraction to OSH for me is just getting to visit with other similarly
> 'infected' types.
>
> I monitor the SoCal RV list, and they routinely have several posts
> each week where several people connect and either meet somewhere or
> fly somewhere together. I realize we're spread across the US and the
> logistics are greatly expanded, but it would be nice if we developed
> into the kind of group that routinely met and flew together either
> regionally or otherwise.
>
> What if people just used this list to post ideas about where, who, and
> when they would like to take a trip with some others? and let people
> naturally connect? If it turns out to be a benefit, who know someone
> might set up part of a website as an " I want to take a trip' bulletin
> board.
>
> Deems Davis N519PJ
> http://deemsrv10.com/index.html
>
> Tim Olson wrote:
> <mailto:Tim@myrv10.com>>
> >
> > I just do it to try to get you all to finish up so we can have
> > some great RV-10 gatherings. :)
> > Tim
> >
>
>
>
> *
>
>
> *
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| Subject: | Re: Olsons great getaway writeup - A Gathering -Copperstate |
!!!
I'll be driving out to Scottsdale October 24th, (who came up with a Thursday
to Saturday flyin?) I'll talk to my wife about leaving on Friday Maybe
we'll camp Friday night and hook up with anyone who is there.
If any of you will be there Friday night, please let me know so I'll know if
it's worth coming out Friday. Hope to meet a few of you.
Pascal
--------------------------------------------------
From: "Deems Davis" <deemsdavis@cox.net>
Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 8:48 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Olsons great getaway writeup - A
Gathering -Copperstate !!!
>
> Absolutely ! We've got Copperstate coming up in Oct : (23-24)
> http://www.copperstate.org/csj/ We had about a dozen -10 builders /
> flyers here last year, Myron Nelson brought his 5th wheel trailer over and
> cooked Carne Asada diiner for everyone. He even had a banner made up w/
> RV-10 HQ on it. There were 3-4 RV-10's that flew their planes in. I
> personally know of at least one more that will be flying in this year ;-)
> . He may even be able to be talked into giving some rides.
>
> We've got 4 flying RV10's in the area:
>
> David McNeil
> Bill DeRouchey
> Al Gardner
> Myself.
>
> And several more under construction.
>
> Maybe we would could talk you Jim and Robin Marks into coming over from
> CA, and Rick Sked to come down from Las Vegas, Scott to come down from
> SLC. Heck if we can get that many -10's I'm pretty sure I can arrange for
> us to get a 'designated parking area' set aside for us. That time of the
> year the weather is GREAT! Visibilities are unlimited. And Av Gas in Casa
> Grande is some of the cheapest in AZ.
>
> I'd be happy to work on arrangements. and possibly some group activities.
>
> Who's interested????????
>
> Deems Davis N519PJ
> http://deemsrv10.com/index.html
>
>
> pilotdds@aol.com wrote:
>> Are you going to host the first event,I understand Az is nice in the
>> fall?
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Deems Davis <deemsdavis@cox.net>
>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>> Sent: Tue, Aug 25, 2009 10:09 pm
>> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Olsons great getaway writeup - A Gathering ????
>>
>> <mailto:deemsdavis@cox.net>> I like this idea ... RV10 gathering/s. OSH
>> is definitely a great gathering, but I'd love to see if there's any
>> interest in getting together somewhere with some other builder/flyers. I
>> think the biggest attraction to OSH for me is just getting to visit with
>> other similarly 'infected' types. I monitor the SoCal RV list, and they
>> routinely have several posts each week where several people connect and
>> either meet somewhere or fly somewhere together. I realize we're spread
>> across the US and the logistics are greatly expanded, but it would be
>> nice if we developed into the kind of group that routinely met and flew
>> together either regionally or otherwise. What if people just used this
>> list to post ideas about where, who, and when they would like to take a
>> trip with some others? and let people naturally connect? If it turns out
>> to be a benefit, who know someone might set up part of a website as an "
>> I want to take a trip' bulletin board. Deems Davis N519PJ
>> http://deemsrv10.com/index.html Tim Olson wrote:
>> <mailto:Tim@myrv10.com>>
>> >
>> > I just do it to try to get you all to finish up so we can have some
>> > great RV-10 gatherings. :) Tim
>> *
>>
>>
>> *
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Leaning for Climb, LOP ppt, and more |
My average EGT during cruise is always 1450 to 1510. I can't believe my eng
ine is running much different than other installations but I do believe the
instrumentation is different.
-
My CHT's during the summer were 360-380 during cruise.-Summer air in Pres
cott-is 50degF at 8,000ft.--
-
Quoting-EGT numbers from one aircraft-doesn't necessarily transfer to a
nother.
-
Bill DeRouchey
N939SB
-
--- On Tue, 8/25/09, David McNeill <dlm46007@cox.net> wrote:
From: David McNeill <dlm46007@cox.net>
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Leaning for Climb, LOP ppt, and more
Ditto on leaning. When I had my turbonormalized 177RG; the guidance from th
e
STC was when climbing make sure that the EGTS are abour 1250F and about
1400F for cruise. For the 10 I use the 1250F number for Takeoffs at 5000+
MSL but lean of peak EGTs usually fall in the 1350F-1400F range, while CHTs
usually range from about 275F to 320F.-
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 6:36 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Leaning for Climb, LOP ppt, and more
A quick note on leaning during climb.
As many of you know, when you takeoff at altitude, especially over 5,000' o
f
altitude, you will need to lean to get the proper takeoff power. A trick I
learned a while back is that during climb, all the way up, you can lean to
about 1225 degrees EGT, and if you maintain that temp your engine should be
roughly leaned appropriately for climb. If you go full rich and try to clim
b
to 8,000-10,000', your EGT's will be too low and you won't be making much
power. In addition, I've worked with one person who had a Carbon Monoxide
issue, and when I asked what the EGT's were, they sounded very low. By
leaning out the engine a bit and raising the EGT's, the CO problem went
away.- So leaning is very important during cruise and climb.
I did update my LOP Write-up at
http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/upgrades/20090822/index.html
to add some additional info near the bottom, including the above.
I also put in an "Advanced Pilot Seminar" on leaning link at the bottom, an
d
a link to a .pdf version of the ppt that Sheldon had.
One other quick note....
I did get a trip write-up done from my latest travels to Utah, Oregon, and
Idaho.- Might be boring for you, but it was a really interesting trip in
some respects.
http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/flights/20090819/index.html
--
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
do not archive
le, List Admin.
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| Subject: | Re: Grab Handles |
I actually considered leaving mine out as well. After riding in a -10
and talking to others that were flying -10's, I decided to throw that
idea away. I don't think it is a "view" problem, and as mentioned, it
is very handy and sturdy for entry and exit, as well as seat
adjustment. Structural considerations were considerable, to say the
least!
David Maib
40559
flying
On Aug 25, 2009, at 9:58 PM, Linn Walters wrote:
<pitts_pilot@bellsouth.net>
Whic causes me to ask the question. Would anyone miss the windshield
post if the mod fairies visited??? And yes, I'm contemplating
leaving mine out. I hate stuff in the way of the 'view'. I'm not
interested in 'structural' comments, just whether it's used a lot and
not a real big 'distraction', so no flames, please.
Linn
David Maib wrote:
> I find that we never use the grab handles. We always use the center
> windshield post when adjusting seats or getting in and out of the
> airplane. I do use the right hand one as a handy place to clip my
> SPOT tracker.
> $.02 worth.
> David Maib
> 40559
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| Subject: | Re: Grab Handles |
I use the windshield post many times during a flight. Its handy to ingress,
steep turns, turbulence. The only time I use the glareshield handle-is t
o adjust-the seat forward. It should be reinforced for this purpose and c
reates a challenge when fabricating-a glareshield.-
-
Bill DeRouchey
N939SB
--- On Tue, 8/25/09, Linn Walters <pitts_pilot@bellsouth.net> wrote:
From: Linn Walters <pitts_pilot@bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Grab Handles
Whic causes me to ask the question.- Would anyone miss the windshield pos
t if the mod fairies visited???- And yes, I'm contemplating leaving mine
out.- I hate stuff in the way of the 'view'.- I'm not interested in 'st
ructural' comments, just whether it's used a lot and not a real big 'distra
ction', so no flames, please.
Linn
David Maib wrote:
>
> I find that we never use the grab handles. We always use the center winds
hield post when adjusting seats or getting in and out of the airplane. I do
use the right hand one as a handy place to clip my SPOT tracker.
>
> $.02 worth.
>
> David Maib
> 40559
le, List Admin.
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Hey David,
Thanks for the input.
Later, - Lew
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| Subject: | Re: Question on Control Cables & FAB |
Thanks for the reply.
Here's why I asked the question:
The table in Vans RV-10 General Info Section 5 calls out AN7... 450-500 in-lbs.
The Lycoming Service Table of Limits SSP1776 doc Table I, "Bolts, Screws and
Nuts", page 1-37 calls out 7/16...600 in-lbs. 150 in-lbs difference is quite a
spread.
I may just split the difference and call it good.
Regards,
Jay
johngoodman wrote:
> It's a 7/16th inch thread, so look up the torque numbers in the tables.
> John
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=259752#259752
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| Subject: | Olsons great getaway writeup - A Gathering -Copperstate |
!!!
Check http://www.copperstate.org/csj/ Thursday is setup day; main show Fri
22 and Sat 23, 24th almost everybody is gone by noon.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Pascal
Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 9:22 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Olsons great getaway writeup - A Gathering
-Copperstate !!!
I'll be driving out to Scottsdale October 24th, (who came up with a Thursday
to Saturday flyin?) I'll talk to my wife about leaving on Friday Maybe
we'll camp Friday night and hook up with anyone who is there.
If any of you will be there Friday night, please let me know so I'll know if
it's worth coming out Friday. Hope to meet a few of you.
Pascal
--------------------------------------------------
From: "Deems Davis" <deemsdavis@cox.net>
Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 8:48 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Olsons great getaway writeup - A Gathering
-Copperstate !!!
>
> Absolutely ! We've got Copperstate coming up in Oct : (23-24)
> http://www.copperstate.org/csj/ We had about a dozen -10 builders /
> flyers here last year, Myron Nelson brought his 5th wheel trailer over
> and cooked Carne Asada diiner for everyone. He even had a banner made
> up w/ RV-10 HQ on it. There were 3-4 RV-10's that flew their planes
> in. I personally know of at least one more that will be flying in
> this year ;-) . He may even be able to be talked into giving some rides.
>
> We've got 4 flying RV10's in the area:
>
> David McNeil
> Bill DeRouchey
> Al Gardner
> Myself.
>
> And several more under construction.
>
> Maybe we would could talk you Jim and Robin Marks into coming over
> from CA, and Rick Sked to come down from Las Vegas, Scott to come down
> from SLC. Heck if we can get that many -10's I'm pretty sure I can
> arrange for us to get a 'designated parking area' set aside for us.
> That time of the year the weather is GREAT! Visibilities are
> unlimited. And Av Gas in Casa Grande is some of the cheapest in AZ.
>
> I'd be happy to work on arrangements. and possibly some group activities.
>
> Who's interested????????
>
> Deems Davis N519PJ
> http://deemsrv10.com/index.html
>
>
> pilotdds@aol.com wrote:
>> Are you going to host the first event,I understand Az is nice in the
>> fall?
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Deems Davis <deemsdavis@cox.net>
>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>> Sent: Tue, Aug 25, 2009 10:09 pm
>> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Olsons great getaway writeup - A Gathering ????
>>
>> <mailto:deemsdavis@cox.net>> I like this idea ... RV10 gathering/s.
>> OSH is definitely a great gathering, but I'd love to see if there's
>> any interest in getting together somewhere with some other
>> builder/flyers. I think the biggest attraction to OSH for me is just
>> getting to visit with other similarly 'infected' types. I monitor the
>> SoCal RV list, and they routinely have several posts each week where
>> several people connect and either meet somewhere or fly somewhere
>> together. I realize we're spread across the US and the logistics are
>> greatly expanded, but it would be nice if we developed into the kind
>> of group that routinely met and flew together either regionally or
>> otherwise. What if people just used this list to post ideas about
>> where, who, and when they would like to take a trip with some others?
>> and let people naturally connect? If it turns out to be a benefit, who
know someone might set up part of a website as an "
>> I want to take a trip' bulletin board. Deems Davis N519PJ
>> http://deemsrv10.com/index.html Tim Olson wrote:
>> <mailto:Tim@myrv10.com>>
>> >
>> > I just do it to try to get you all to finish up so we can have some
>> > great RV-10 gatherings. :) Tim
>> *
>>
>>
>> *
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Airflow Oil Box Splitter |
Just wanted to chime in quick, just had a nice chat with Bill and he is sending
out the splitters to anyone that has bought one of their coolers for no additional
cost if you give him a ring. He only asks that you pay $15 for the shipping.
Michael
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Deems Davis
Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 10:14 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Airflow Oil Box Splitter
For further information about the Oil box splitter, as well as improved
performance Oil coolers and other products. I encourage people to contact:
William F. Genevro
Managing Director
949-218-9701
@ Airflow Systems directly. Bill has spent a LOT of time researching Oil
temps and associated issues, speaking with many RV10 builders and has a
large knowledge base from which he's developed these solutions. He's
easy to talk to. The oil splitter kits are available directly from him
for $49. And are free to those who buy one of his oil coolers.
Deems Davis N519PJ
http://deemsrv10.com/index.html
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| Subject: | Re: Olsons great getaway writeup - A Gathering ???? |
I think gatherings would be fun, but, there is a downside sometimes.
If you go somewhere with tons to do, then nobody does any flying,
and there is too much draw to go visit other things. On the
other hand, if you go somewhere lame, then there is only flying
to do, and the family will get bored. So personally, I really
like the idea of gathering in one spot, and flying around
to a couple others....kind of like the last couple trips I
did like meeting David Maib and Vic and heading to Key West,
or metting Scott and heading to Oregon. That makes for a great
FLYING vacation where you can camp or see things too.
This year I was considering LOE for a fly-in since it's been
a while, but, at the same time, it's not really a super destination
for the kids and family....you basically will love it if you
just want to hang out with other builders, and you can
fly all day long if you want. But, you hang out at the
airport a lot. OSH is a great GATHERING but not the most
convenient place to do lots of flying. What would make
OSH more fun is if people would meet up along the way,
and the closer you got, the more people you had.
So it's hard because everyone has a varied agenda of what
they'd like. I don't think I'll be at LOE this year,
but I know I'll be flying a couple more times on trips by
the end of the year. It's always nice to fly along and look
out the window and see another RV-10. :)
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
Deems Davis wrote:
>
> I like this idea ... RV10 gathering/s. OSH is definitely a great
> gathering, but I'd love to see if there's any interest in getting
> together somewhere with some other builder/flyers. I think the biggest
> attraction to OSH for me is just getting to visit with other similarly
> 'infected' types.
>
> I monitor the SoCal RV list, and they routinely have several posts each
> week where several people connect and either meet somewhere or fly
> somewhere together. I realize we're spread across the US and the
> logistics are greatly expanded, but it would be nice if we developed
> into the kind of group that routinely met and flew together either
> regionally or otherwise.
>
> What if people just used this list to post ideas about where, who, and
> when they would like to take a trip with some others? and let people
> naturally connect? If it turns out to be a benefit, who know someone
> might set up part of a website as an " I want to take a trip' bulletin
> board.
>
> Deems Davis N519PJ
> http://deemsrv10.com/index.html
>
> Tim Olson wrote:
>>
>> I just do it to try to get you all to finish up so we can have
>> some great RV-10 gatherings. :)
>> Tim
>>
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| Subject: | Re: Olsons great getaway writeup - A Gathering ???? |
Tim you might want to consider Copperstate as an alternate to LOE this
year. I've heard the same about LOE, great for RV'rs but not much else
to do. Copperstate is not so large that flying in and out during the
event is the challenge it is @ OSH. Tie in a visit to Sedona, Grand
Canyon, Monument Valley, Puerto Penasco, San Diego, Las Vegas ??? We'll
make it worth your while. I'll fly part way out to meet you so you can
have a -10 to look at on your way inbound :-)
Deems drumming up Copperstate attendance Davis
Tim Olson wrote:
>
> I think gatherings would be fun, but, there is a downside sometimes.
> If you go somewhere with tons to do, then nobody does any flying,
> and there is too much draw to go visit other things. On the
> other hand, if you go somewhere lame, then there is only flying
> to do, and the family will get bored. So personally, I really
> like the idea of gathering in one spot, and flying around
> to a couple others....kind of like the last couple trips I
> did like meeting David Maib and Vic and heading to Key West,
> or metting Scott and heading to Oregon. That makes for a great
> FLYING vacation where you can camp or see things too.
>
> This year I was considering LOE for a fly-in since it's been
> a while, but, at the same time, it's not really a super destination
> for the kids and family....you basically will love it if you
> just want to hang out with other builders, and you can
> fly all day long if you want. But, you hang out at the
> airport a lot. OSH is a great GATHERING but not the most
> convenient place to do lots of flying. What would make
> OSH more fun is if people would meet up along the way,
> and the closer you got, the more people you had.
>
> So it's hard because everyone has a varied agenda of what
> they'd like. I don't think I'll be at LOE this year,
> but I know I'll be flying a couple more times on trips by
> the end of the year. It's always nice to fly along and look
> out the window and see another RV-10. :)
>
> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
>
>
> Deems Davis wrote:
>>
>> I like this idea ... RV10 gathering/s. OSH is definitely a great
>> gathering, but I'd love to see if there's any interest in getting
>> together somewhere with some other builder/flyers. I think the
>> biggest attraction to OSH for me is just getting to visit with other
>> similarly 'infected' types.
>>
>> I monitor the SoCal RV list, and they routinely have several posts
>> each week where several people connect and either meet somewhere or
>> fly somewhere together. I realize we're spread across the US and the
>> logistics are greatly expanded, but it would be nice if we developed
>> into the kind of group that routinely met and flew together either
>> regionally or otherwise.
>>
>> What if people just used this list to post ideas about where, who,
>> and when they would like to take a trip with some others? and let
>> people naturally connect? If it turns out to be a benefit, who know
>> someone might set up part of a website as an " I want to take a trip'
>> bulletin board.
>>
>> Deems Davis N519PJ
>> http://deemsrv10.com/index.html
>>
>> Tim Olson wrote:
>>>
>>> I just do it to try to get you all to finish up so we can have
>>> some great RV-10 gatherings. :)
>>> Tim
>>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Question on Control Cables & FAB |
Jay,
Just to muddy the water a little (g), The Standard Aircraft Handbook table on page
160 Shows 450-500 inch-pounds for a 7/16-20 with an AN315 nut, while an AN316
Shear Nut is only 270-300 inch-pounds. I believe you are tightening an AN316,
right?
Also, Coarse thread 7/16-14 are even less, but I'm pretty sure yours is -20.
John
--------
#40572 QB Fuselage, wings finished. Finish Kit progressing. Engine & Panel
delivery soon.
N711JG reserved
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| Subject: | Re: Leaning for Climb, LOP ppt, and more |
Bill DeRouchey wrote:
> My average EGT during cruise is always 1450 to 1510. I can't believe my
> engine is running much different than other installations but I do
> believe the instrumentation is different.
>
> My CHT's during the summer were 360-380 during cruise. Summer air in
> Prescott is 50degF at 8,000ft.
>
> Quoting EGT numbers from one aircraft doesn't necessarily transfer to
> another.
So very true. The only way they would be close .... but never exact
.... would be for the headers to be drilled in a fixture. Distance from
the cyl head and even the rotational axis can make a lot of difference.
Better to think of the EGT as a relative reading.
Linn
do not archive
>
> Bill DeRouchey
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| Subject: | Re: Leaning for Climb, LOP ppt, and more |
i flew to and from san diego from corpus christi 8/20 and 8/24 and
experienced higher egts over new mexico and arizona at 10500ft . egts
got cooler as did oil temp on entering cal. robert do not archive
On Aug 26, 2009, at 11:40 AM, Bill DeRouchey wrote:
> My average EGT during cruise is always 1450 to 1510. I can't believe
> my engine is running much different than other installations but I
> do believe the instrumentation is different.
>
> My CHT's during the summer were 360-380 during cruise. Summer air in
> Prescott is 50degF at 8,000ft.
>
> Quoting EGT numbers from one aircraft doesn't necessarily transfer
> to another.
>
> Bill DeRouchey
> N939SB
>
>
> --- On Tue, 8/25/09, David McNeill <dlm46007@cox.net> wrote:
>
> From: David McNeill <dlm46007@cox.net>
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Leaning for Climb, LOP ppt, and more
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Date: Tuesday, August 25, 2009, 8:21 AM
>
>
> Ditto on leaning. When I had my turbonormalized 177RG; the guidance
> from the
> STC was when climbing make sure that the EGTS are abour 1250F and
> about
> 1400F for cruise. For the 10 I use the 1250F number for Takeoffs at
> 5000+
> MSL but lean of peak EGTs usually fall in the 1350F-1400F range,
> while CHTs
> usually range from about 275F to 320F.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
> Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 6:36 AM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV10-List: Leaning for Climb, LOP ppt, and more
>
>
> A quick note on leaning during climb.
> As many of you know, when you takeoff at altitude, especially over
> 5,000' of
> altitude, you will need to lean to get the proper takeoff power. A
> trick I
> learned a while back is that during climb, all the way up, you can
> lean to
> about 1225 degrees EGT, and if you maintain that temp your engine
> should be
> roughly leaned appropriately for climb. If you go full rich and try
> to climb
> to 8,000-10,000', your EGT's will be too low and you won't be making
> much
> power. In addition, I've worked with one person who had a Carbon
> Monoxide
> issue, and when I asked what the EGT's were, they sounded very low. By
> leaning out the engine a bit and raising the EGT's, the CO problem
> went
> away. So leaning is very important during cruise and climb.
>
>
> I did update my LOP Write-up at
> http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/upgrades/20090822/index.html
> to add some additional info near the bottom, including the above.
> I also put in an "Advanced Pilot Seminar" on leaning link at the
> bottom, and
> a link to a .pdf version of the ppt that Sheldon had.
>
>
> One other quick note....
> I did get a trip write-up done from my latest travels to Utah,
> Oregon, and
> Idaho. Might be boring for you, but it was a really interesting
> trip in
> some respects.
> http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/flights/20090819/index.html
>
>
> --
> Tim Olson - R/www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List" target=_blank>http://www.matronicbsp
> ;--> http://= - List Contributionsp;
> &bsp;-->
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Question on Control Cables & FAB |
Most all (if not all) the hardware on a Lycosaur is coarse thread .....
and the AN bolts are fine thread. I'm thinking that may be the
difference???
Linn
do not archive
jayb wrote:
>
> Thanks for the reply.
>
> Here's why I asked the question:
>
> The table in Vans RV-10 General Info Section 5 calls out AN7... 450-500 in-lbs.
The Lycoming Service Table of Limits SSP1776 doc Table I, "Bolts, Screws and
Nuts", page 1-37 calls out 7/16...600 in-lbs. 150 in-lbs difference is quite
a spread.
>
> I may just split the difference and call it good.
>
> Regards,
> Jay
>
>
> johngoodman wrote:
>> It's a 7/16th inch thread, so look up the torque numbers in the tables.
>> John
>
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=259752#259752
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Question on Control Cables & FAB |
pitts_pilot(at)bellsouth. wrote:
> Most all (if not all) the hardware on a Lycosaur is coarse thread .....
> and the AN bolts are fine thread. I'm thinking that may be the
> difference???
> Linn
Also it should specify the metal it is for. Course, fine, and metal.
--------
Gary Blankenbiller
RV10 - # 40674
(N2GB Flying)
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| Subject: | Re: Leaning for Climb, LOP ppt, and more |
If that is your cruise, what is your peak? Is that at 65%, 75% or ???
Seems a little high to me.
On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 9:40 AM, Bill DeRouchey<billderou@yahoo.com> wrote:
> My average EGT during cruise is always 1450 to 1510. I can't believe my
> engine is running much different than other installations but I do believe
> the instrumentation is different.
>
> My CHT's during the summer were 360-380 during cruise.Summer air in
> Prescottis 50degF at 8,000ft.
>
> QuotingEGT numbers from one aircraftdoesn't necessarily transfer to
> another.
>
> Bill DeRouchey
> N939SB
>
>
> --- On Tue, 8/25/09, David McNeill <dlm46007@cox.net> wrote:
>
> From: David McNeill <dlm46007@cox.net>
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Leaning for Climb, LOP ppt, and more
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Date: Tuesday, August 25, 2009, 8:21 AM
>
>
> Ditto on leaning. When I had my turbonormalized 177RG; the guidance from the
> STC was when climbing make sure that the EGTS are abour 1250F and about
> 1400F for cruise. For the 10 I use the 1250F number for Takeoffs at 5000+
> MSL but lean of peak EGTs usually fall in the 1350F-1400F range, while CHTs
> usually range from about 275F to 320F.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
> Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 6:36 AM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV10-List: Leaning for Climb, LOP ppt, and more
>
>
> A quick note on leaning during climb.
> As many of you know, when you takeoff at altitude, especially over 5,000' of
> altitude, you will need to lean to get the proper takeoff power. A trick I
> learned a while back is that during climb, all the way up, you can lean to
> about 1225 degrees EGT, and if you maintain that temp your engine should be
> roughly leaned appropriately for climb. If you go full rich and try to climb
> to 8,000-10,000', your EGT's will be too low and you won't be making much
> power. In addition, I've worked with one person who had a Carbon Monoxide
> issue, and when I asked what the EGT's were, they sounded very low. By
> leaning out the engine a bit and raising the EGT's, the CO problem went
> away. So leaning is very important during cruise and climb.
>
>
> I did update my LOP Write-up at
> http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/upgrades/20090822/index.html
> to add some additional info near the bottom, including the above.
> I also put in an "Advanced Pilot Seminar" on leaning link at the bottom, and
> a link to a .pdf version of the ppt that Sheldon had.
>
>
> One other quick note....
> I did get a trip write-up done from my latest travels to Utah, Oregon, and
> Idaho. Might be boring for you, but it was a really interesting trip in
> some respects.
> http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/flights/20090819/index.html
>
>
> --
> Tim Olson - R/www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List"
> target=_blank>http://www.matronicbsp;--> http://= - List
> Contributionsp; &bsp;-->
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Question on Control Cables & FAB |
Lycoming generally uses higher torque than standard values, especially
on the case halve bolts, and has little relevance to what torque you
would use on a control cable nut.
On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 11:20 AM, jayb<jaybrinkmeyer@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Thanks for the reply.
>
> Here's why I asked the question:
>
> The table in Vans RV-10 General Info Section 5 calls out AN7... 450-500 in-lbs.
The Lycoming Service Table of Limits SSP1776 doc Table I, "Bolts, Screws and
Nuts", page 1-37 calls out 7/16...600 in-lbs. 150 in-lbs difference is quite
a spread.
>
> I may just split the difference and call it good.
>
> Regards,
> Jay
>
>
> johngoodman wrote:
>> It's a 7/16th inch thread, so look up the torque numbers in the tables.
>> John
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=259752#259752
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Olsons great getaway writeup - A Gathering -Copperstate |
!!!
Copperstate for some odd reason appears to be Thurs noon to Sun noon.
Probably to get more revenue.
I'll probably come for a couple days.
On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 9:22 AM, Pascal<rv10builder@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> I'll be driving out to Scottsdale October 24th, (who came up with a Thursday
> to Saturday flyin?) I'll talk to my wife about leaving on Friday Maybe
> we'll camp Friday night and hook up with anyone who is there.
> If any of you will be there Friday night, please let me know so I'll know if
> it's worth coming out Friday. Hope to meet a few of you.
> Pascal
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Deems Davis" <deemsdavis@cox.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 8:48 AM
> To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Olsons great getaway writeup - A Gathering
> -Copperstate !!!
>
>>
>> Absolutely ! We've got Copperstate coming up in Oct : (23-24)
>> http://www.copperstate.org/csj/ We had about a dozen -10 builders / flyers
>> here last year, Myron Nelson brought his 5th wheel trailer over and cooked
>> Carne Asada diiner for everyone. He even had a banner made up w/ RV-10 HQ on
>> it. There were 3-4 RV-10's that flew their planes in. I personally know of
>> at least one more that will be flying in this year ;-) . He may even be able
>> to be talked into giving some rides.
>>
>> We've got 4 flying RV10's in the area:
>>
>> David McNeil
>> Bill DeRouchey
>> Al Gardner
>> Myself.
>>
>> And several more under construction.
>>
>> Maybe we would could talk you Jim and Robin Marks into coming over from
>> CA, and Rick Sked to come down from Las Vegas, Scott to come down from SLC.
>> Heck if we can get that many -10's I'm pretty sure I can arrange for us to
>> get a 'designated parking area' set aside for us. That time of the year the
>> weather is GREAT! Visibilities are unlimited. And Av Gas in Casa Grande is
>> some of the cheapest in AZ.
>>
>> I'd be happy to work on arrangements. and possibly some group activities.
>>
>> Who's interested????????
>>
>> Deems Davis N519PJ
>> http://deemsrv10.com/index.html
>>
>>
>> pilotdds@aol.com wrote:
>>>
>>> Are you going to host the first event,I understand Az is nice in the
>>> fall?
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Deems Davis <deemsdavis@cox.net>
>>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>>> Sent: Tue, Aug 25, 2009 10:09 pm
>>> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Olsons great getaway writeup - A Gathering ????
>>>
>>> <mailto:deemsdavis@cox.net>> I like this idea ... RV10 gathering/s. OSH is
>>> definitely a great gathering, but I'd love to see if there's any interest in
>>> getting together somewhere with some other builder/flyers. I think the
>>> biggest attraction to OSH for me is just getting to visit with other
>>> similarly 'infected' types. I monitor the SoCal RV list, and they routinely
>>> have several posts each week where several people connect and either meet
>>> somewhere or fly somewhere together. I realize we're spread across the US
>>> and the logistics are greatly expanded, but it would be nice if we developed
>>> into the kind of group that routinely met and flew together either
>>> regionally or otherwise. What if people just used this list to post ideas
>>> about where, who, and when they would like to take a trip with some others?
>>> and let people naturally connect? If it turns out to be a benefit, who know
>>> someone might set up part of a website as an " I want to take a trip'
>>> bulletin board. Deems Davis N519PJ http://deemsrv10.com/index.html Tim Olson
>>> wrote:
>>> <mailto:Tim@myrv10.com>>
>>> >
>>> > I just do it to try to get you all to finish up so we can have some >
>>> > great RV-10 gatherings. :) Tim
>>> *
>>>
>>>
>>> *
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Airflow Oil Box Splitter |
I also just called Airflow and got good support. In defense of Alex, Airflow said
that the kit is a very recent development and may not have been available
at the time ours were sent.
--------
Dave Moore
RV-6 flying
RV-10 QB - cabin top/fiberglass hell
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| Subject: | Re: Airflow Oil Box Splitter |
Yep, I was talking to Alex to at the same time and you may have noticed I was
copying him on the emails. Alex was very interested in making sure there was
no problem with the fact the cooler was purchased through him and that Bill would
send the splitter out no matter who it was purchased from. He was glad to
see there was no problem.
Bill also said to be sure that the cooler was sealed to the box with RTV as well
as making sure all the holes in the cooler box to firewall fit was sealed
to ensure all available pressure was directed through the cooler. He also echoed
the feelings that many of us have in that there is not enough exit area to
get the cooling air out of the cowling.
Michael
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of nukeflyboy
Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 4:47 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: Airflow Oil Box Splitter
I also just called Airflow and got good support. In defense of Alex, Airflow said
that the kit is a very recent development and may not have been available
at the time ours were sent.
--------
Dave Moore
RV-6 flying
RV-10 QB - cabin top/fiberglass hell
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| Subject: | Re: Olsons great getaway writeup - A Gathering ???? |
Deems;
How far away is monument valley???
It 's on my bucket list of things to do in my RV 10
Dr Fred.
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| Subject: | Bonded Edges of Windows |
I'm about to take the plunge and bond the windows onto the doors.
I've got a cosmetic question:
What do you see when looking through the plexi to the bonded edge?
The Weld-On 10 is white. Should I paint the exterior perimeter of the
window to hide that? Should I add some black color to that somehow
first? What have others done?
Jeff Carpenter
40304
Covered in a fine dusting of plexi glass
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| Subject: | Re: Olsons great getaway writeup - A Gathering -Copperstate |
!!!
I'll be at copperstate from California, Had a great time last year at Myron Nelson's
fifth wheel HQ and awsome food. I thank Myron for a nice weekend, made new
friends and great food.
Bill Souza
Owner of Rick Grays RV-10
N279RB
--- On Wed, 8/26/09, Kelly McMullen <apilot2@gmail.com> wrote:
> From: Kelly McMullen <apilot2@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Olsons great getaway writeup - A Gathering -Copperstate
!!!
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Date: Wednesday, August 26, 2009, 2:19 PM
> Kelly McMullen <apilot2@gmail.com>
>
> Copperstate for some odd reason appears to be Thurs noon to
> Sun noon.
> Probably to get more revenue.
> I'll probably come for a couple days.
>
> On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 9:22 AM, Pascal<rv10builder@verizon.net>
> wrote:
> >
> > I'll be driving out to Scottsdale October 24th, (who
> came up with a Thursday
> > to Saturday flyin?) I'll talk to my wife about leaving
> on Friday Maybe
> > we'll camp Friday night and hook up with anyone who is
> there.
> > If any of you will be there Friday night, please let
> me know so I'll know if
> > it's worth coming out Friday. Hope to meet a few of
> you.
> > Pascal
> > --------------------------------------------------
> > From: "Deems Davis" <deemsdavis@cox.net>
> > Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 8:48 AM
> > To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
> > Subject: Re: RV10-List: Olsons great getaway writeup -
> A Gathering
> > -Copperstate !!!
> >
> <deemsdavis@cox.net>
> >>
> >> Absolutely ! We've got Copperstate coming up in
> Oct : (23-24)
> >> http://www.copperstate.org/csj/ We had
> about a dozen -10 builders / flyers
> >> here last year, Myron Nelson brought his 5th wheel
> trailer over and cooked
> >> Carne Asada diiner for everyone. He even had a
> banner made up w/ RV-10 HQ on
> >> it. There were 3-4 RV-10's that flew their planes
> in. I personally know of
> >> at least one more that will be flying in this year
> ;-) . He may even be able
> >> to be talked into giving some rides.
> >>
> >> We've got 4 flying RV10's in the area:
> >>
> >> David McNeil
> >> Bill DeRouchey
> >> Al Gardner
> >> Myself.
> >>
> >> And several more under construction.
> >>
> >> Maybe we would could talk you Jim and Robin Marks
> into coming over from
> >> CA, and Rick Sked to come down from Las Vegas,
> Scott to come down from SLC.
> >> Heck if we can get that many -10's I'm pretty sure
> I can arrange for us to
> >> get a 'designated parking area' set aside for us.
> That time of the year the
> >> weather is GREAT! Visibilities are unlimited. And
> Av Gas in Casa Grande is
> >> some of the cheapest in AZ.
> >>
> >> I'd be happy to work on arrangements. and possibly
> some group activities.
> >>
> >> Who's interested????????
> >>
> >> Deems Davis N519PJ
> >> http://deemsrv10.com/index.html
> >>
> >>
> >> pilotdds@aol.com
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Are you going to host the first event,I
> understand Az is nice in the
> >>> fall?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: Deems Davis <deemsdavis@cox.net>
> >>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> >>> Sent: Tue, Aug 25, 2009 10:09 pm
> >>> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Olsons great getaway
> writeup - A Gathering ????
> >>>
> Davis <deemsdavis@cox.net
> >>> <mailto:deemsdavis@cox.net>>
> I like this idea ... RV10 gathering/s. OSH is
> >>> definitely a great gathering, but I'd love to
> see if there's any interest in
> >>> getting together somewhere with some other
> builder/flyers. I think the
> >>> biggest attraction to OSH for me is just
> getting to visit with other
> >>> similarly 'infected' types. I monitor the
> SoCal RV list, and they routinely
> >>> have several posts each week where several
> people connect and either meet
> >>> somewhere or fly somewhere together. I realize
> we're spread across the US
> >>> and the logistics are greatly expanded, but it
> would be nice if we developed
> >>> into the kind of group that routinely met and
> flew together either
> >>> regionally or otherwise. What if people just
> used this list to post ideas
> >>> about where, who, and when they would like to
> take a trip with some others?
> >>> and let people naturally connect? If it turns
> out to be a benefit, who know
> >>> someone might set up part of a website as an "
> I want to take a trip'
> >>> bulletin board. Deems Davis N519PJ http://deemsrv10.com/index.html Tim Olson
> >>> wrote:
> Olson <Tim@myrv10.com
> >>> <mailto:Tim@myrv10.com>>
> >>> >
> >>> > I just do it to try to get you all to
> finish up so we can have some >
> >>> > great RV-10 gatherings. :) Tim
> >>> *
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> *
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> Forum -
> FAQ,
> - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS -
> List Contribution Web Site -
> -Matt
> Dralle, List Admin.
>
>
>
>
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Nice RV-10 write up in the Aopa magazine-interesting comment re oil temps
-----Original Message-----
From: William Souza <electspec@sbcglobal.net>
Sent: Wed, Aug 26, 2009 4:18 pm
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Olsons great getaway writeup - A Gathering -Copperstate
!!!
I'll be at copperstate from California, Had a great time last year at Myron
Nelson's fifth wheel HQ and awsome food. I thank Myron for a nice weekend, made
new friends and great food.
Bill Souza
Owner of Rick Grays RV-10
N279RB
--- On Wed, 8/26/09, Kelly McMullen <apilot2@gmail.com> wrote:
> From: Kelly McMullen <apilot2@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Olsons great getaway writeup - A Gathering
-Copperstate !!!
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Date: Wednesday, August 26, 2009, 2:19 PM
> Kelly McMullen <apilot2@gmail.com>
>
> Copperstate for some odd reason appears to be Thurs noon to
> Sun noon.
> Probably to get more revenue.
> I'll probably come for a couple days.
>
> On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 9:22 AM, Pascal<rv10builder@verizon.net>
> wrote:
> >
> > I'll be driving out to Scottsdale October 24th, (who
> came up with a Thursday
> > to Saturday flyin?) I'll talk to my wife about leaving
> on Friday ?Maybe
> > we'll camp Friday night and hook up with anyone who is
> there.
> > If any of you will be there Friday night, please let
> me know so I'll know if
> > it's worth coming out Friday. Hope to meet a few of
> you.
> > Pascal
> > --------------------------------------------------
> > From: "Deems Davis" <deemsdavis@cox.net>
> > Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 8:48 AM
> > To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
> > Subject: Re: RV10-List: Olsons great getaway writeup -
> A Gathering
> > -Copperstate ?!!!
> >
> <deemsdavis@cox.net>
> >>
> >> Absolutely ! ?We've got Copperstate coming up in
> Oct : (23-24)
> >> http://www.copperstate.org/csj/ ?We had
> about a dozen -10 builders / flyers
> >> here last year, Myron Nelson brought his 5th wheel
> trailer over and cooked
> >> Carne Asada diiner for everyone. He even had a
> banner made up w/ RV-10 HQ on
> >> it. There were 3-4 RV-10's th
at flew their planes
> in. ?I personally know of
> >> at least one more that will be flying in this year
> ;-) . He may even be able
> >> to be talked into giving some rides.
> >>
> >> We've got 4 flying RV10's in the area:
> >>
> >> David McNeil
> >> Bill DeRouchey
> >> Al Gardner
> >> Myself.
> >>
> >> And several more under construction.
> >>
> >> Maybe we would could talk you Jim and Robin Marks
> into coming over from
> >> CA, and Rick Sked to come down from Las Vegas,
> Scott to come down from SLC.
> >> Heck if we can get that many -10's I'm pretty sure
> I can arrange for us to
> >> get a 'designated parking area' set aside for us.
> That time of the year the
> >> weather is GREAT! Visibilities are unlimited. And
> Av Gas in Casa Grande is
> >> some of the cheapest in AZ.
> >>
> >> I'd be happy to work on arrangements. and possibly
> some group activities.
> >>
> >> Who's interested????????
> >>
> >> Deems Davis N519PJ
> >> http://deemsrv10.com/index.html
> >>
> >>
> >> pilotdds@aol.com
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Are you going to host the first event,I
> understand Az is nice in the
> >>> fall?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: Deems Davis <deemsdavis@cox.net>
> >>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> >>> Sent: Tue, Aug 25, 2009 10:09 pm
> >>> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Olsons great getaway
> writeup - A Gathering ????
> >>>
> Davis <deemsdavis@cox.net
> >>> <mailto:deemsdavis@cox.net>>
> I like this idea ... RV10 gathering/s. OSH is
> >>> definitely a great gathering, but I'd love to
> see if there's any interest in
> >>> getting together somewhere with some other
> builder/flyers. I think the
> >>> biggest attraction to OSH for me is just
> getting to visit with other
> >>> similarly 'infected' types. I monitor the
> SoCal RV list, and they routinely
> >>> have several posts each week where several
> people connect and either meet
> >>> somewhere or fly somewhere together. I realize
> we're spread across the US
> >>> and the logistics are greatly expa
nded, but it
> would be nice if we developed
> >>> into the kind of group that routinely met and
> flew together either
> >>> regionally or otherwise. What if people just
> used this list to post ideas
> >>> about where, who, and when they would like to
> take a trip with some others?
> >>> and let people naturally connect? If it turns
> out to be a benefit, who know
> >>> someone might set up part of a website as an "
> I want to take a trip'
> >>> bulletin board. Deems Davis N519PJ http://deemsrv10.com/index.html Tim
Olson
> >>> wrote:
> Olson <Tim@myrv10.com
> >>> <mailto:Tim@myrv10.com>>
> >>> >
> >>> > I just do it to try to get you all to
> finish up so we can have some >
> >>> > great RV-10 gatherings. :) Tim
> >>> ?*
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> *
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> Forum -
> FAQ,
> ???- MATRONICS WEB FORUMS -
> List Contribution Web Site -
> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? -Matt
> Dralle, List Admin.
>
>
>
>
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check
http://www.aopa.org/members/files/pilot/2009/september/honeymooners0909.html
_____
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of pilotdds@aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 4:51 PM
Subject: RV10-List: AOPA magazine
Nice RV-10 write up in the Aopa magazine-interesting comment re oil temps
-----Original Message-----
From: William Souza <electspec@sbcglobal.net>
Sent: Wed, Aug 26, 2009 4:18 pm
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Olsons great getaway writeup - A Gathering
-Copperstate !!!
I'll be at copperstate from California, Had a great time last year at Myron
Nelson's fifth wheel HQ and awsome food. I thank Myron for a nice weekend,
made
new friends and great food.
Bill Souza
Owner of Rick Grays RV-10
N279RB
--- On Wed, 8/26/09, Kelly McMullen <apilot2@gmail.com> wrote:
> From: Kelly McMullen <apilot2@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Olsons great getaway writeup - A Gathering
-Copperstate !!!
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Date: Wednesday, August 26, 2009, 2:19 PM
> Kelly McMullen <apilot2@gmail.com>
>
> Copperstate for some odd reason appears to be Thurs noon to
> Sun noon.
> Probably to get more revenue.
> I'll probably come for a couple days.
>
> On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 9:22 AM, Pascal<rv10builder@verizon.net>
> wrote:
> >
> > I'll be driving out to Scottsdale October 24th, (who
> came up with a Thursday
> > to Saturday flyin?) I'll talk to my wife about leaving
> on Friday Maybe
> > we'll camp Friday night and hook up with anyone who is
> there.
> > If any of you will be there Friday night, please let
> me know so I'll know if
> > it's worth coming out Friday. Hope to meet a few of
> you.
> > Pascal
> > --------------------------------------------------
> > From: "Deems Davis" <deemsdavis@cox.net>
> > Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 8:48 AM
> > To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
> > Subject: Re: RV10-List: Olsons great getaway writeup -
> A Gathering
> > -Copperstate !!!
> >
> <deemsdavis@cox.net>
> >>
> >> Absolutely ! We've got Copperstate coming up in
> Oct : (23-24)
> >> http://www.copperstate.org/csj/ We had
> about a dozen -10 builders / flyers
> >> here last year, Myron Nelson brought his 5th wheel
> trailer over and cooked
> >> Carne Asada diiner for everyone. He even had a
> banner made up w/ RV-10 HQ on
> >> it. There were 3-4 RV-10's that flew their planes
> in. I personally know of
> >> at least one more that will be flying in this year
> ;-) . He may even be able
> >> to be talked into giving some rides.
> >>
> >> We've got 4 flying RV10's in the area:
> >>
> >> David McNeil
> >> Bill DeRouchey
> >> Al Gardner
> >> Myself.
> >>
> >> And several more under construction.
> >>
> >> Maybe we would could talk you Jim and Robin Marks
> into coming over from
> >> CA, and Rick Sked to come down from Las Vegas,
> Scott to come down from SLC.
> >> Heck if we can get that many -10's I'm pretty sure
> I can arrange for us to
> >> get a 'designated parking area' set aside for us.
> That time of the year the
> >> weather is GREAT! Visibilities are unlimited. And
> Av Gas in Casa Grande is
> >> some of the cheapest in AZ.
> >>
> >> I'd be happy to work on arrangements. and possibly
> some group activities.
> >>
> >> Who's interested????????
> >>
> >> Deems Davis N519PJ
> >> http://deemsrv10.com/index.html
> >>
> >>
> >> pilotdds@aol.com
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Are you going to host the first event,I
> understand Az is nice in the
> >>> fall?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: Deems Davis <deemsdavis@cox.net>
> >>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> >>> Sent: Tue, Aug 25, 2009 10:09 pm
> >>> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Olsons great getaway
> writeup - A Gathering ????
> >>>
> Davis <deemsdavis@cox.net
> >>> <mailto:deemsdavis@cox.net <mailto:deemsdavis@cox.net?> >>
> I like this idea ... RV10 gathering/s. OSH is
> >>> definitely a great gathering, but I'd love to
> see if there's any interest in
> >>> getting together somewhere with some other
> builder/flyers. I think the
> >>> biggest attraction to OSH for me is just
> getting to visit with other
> >>> similarly 'infected' types. I monitor the
> SoCal RV list, and they routinely
> >>> have several posts each week where several
> people connect and either meet
> >>> somewhere or fly somewhere together. I realize
> we're spread across the US
> >>> and the logistics are greatly expanded, but it
> would be nice if we developed
> >>> into the kind of group that routinely met and
> flew together either
> >>> regionally or otherwise. What if people just
> used this list to post ideas
> >>> about where, who, and when they would like to
> take a trip with some others?
> >>> and let people naturally connect? If it turns
> out to be a benefit, who know
> >>> someone might set up part of a website as an "
> I want to take a trip'
> >>> bulletin board. Deems Davis N519PJ http://deemsrv10.com/index.html Tim
Olson
> >>> wrote:
> Olson <Tim@myrv10.com
> >>> <mailto:Tim@myrv10.com <mailto:Tim@myrv10.com?> >>
> >>> >
> >>> > I just do it to try to get you all to
> finish up so we can have some >
> >>> > great RV-10 gatherings. :) Tim
> >>> *
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> *
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> Forum -
> FAQ,
> - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS -
> List Contribution Web Site -
> -Matt
> Dralle, List Admin.
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Olsons great getaway writeup - A Gathering -Copperstate |
!!!
Isn't anyone going to Van's Homecoming this weekend?- It will be our firs
t real trip.... Then Kim looks at the weather and it's suppose to rain Frid
ay.- Sounds like fun.
Don & Kim McDonald
--- On Wed, 8/26/09, Pascal <rv10builder@verizon.net> wrote:
From: Pascal <rv10builder@verizon.net>
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Olsons great getaway writeup - A Gathering -Coppers
tate !!!
I'll be driving out to Scottsdale October 24th, (who came up with a Thursda
y to Saturday flyin?) I'll talk to my wife about leaving on Friday- Maybe
we'll camp Friday night and hook up with anyone who is there.
If any of you will be there Friday night, please let me know so I'll know i
f it's worth coming out Friday. Hope to meet a few of you.
Pascal
--------------------------------------------------
From: "Deems Davis" <deemsdavis@cox.net>
Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 8:48 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Olsons great getaway writeup - A Gathering -Coppers
tate- !!!
>
> Absolutely !- We've got Copperstate coming up in Oct : (23-24) http://w
ww.copperstate.org/csj/- We had about a dozen -10 builders / flyers here
last year, Myron Nelson brought his 5th wheel trailer over and cooked Carne
Asada diiner for everyone. He even had a banner made up w/ RV-10 HQ on it.
There were 3-4 RV-10's that flew their planes in.- I personally know of
at least one more that will be flying in this year ;-) . He may even be abl
e to be talked into giving some rides.
>
> We've got 4 flying RV10's in the area:
>
> David McNeil
> Bill DeRouchey
> Al Gardner
> Myself.
>
> And several more under construction.
>
> Maybe we would could talk you Jim and Robin Marks into coming over from C
A, and Rick Sked to come down from Las Vegas, Scott to come down from SLC.
Heck if we can get that many -10's I'm pretty sure I can arrange for us to
get a 'designated parking area' set aside for us. That time of the year the
weather is GREAT! Visibilities are unlimited. And Av Gas in Casa Grande is
some of the cheapest in AZ.
>
> I'd be happy to work on arrangements. and possibly some group activities.
>
> Who's interested????????
>
> Deems Davis N519PJ
> http://deemsrv10.com/index.html
>
>
> pilotdds@aol.com wrote:
>> Are you going to host the first event,I understand Az is nice in the fal
l?
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Deems Davis <deemsdavis@cox.net>
>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>> Sent: Tue, Aug 25, 2009 10:09 pm
>> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Olsons great getaway writeup - A Gathering ????
>>
:deemsdavis@cox.net>> I like this idea ... RV10 gathering/s. OSH is definit
ely a great gathering, but I'd love to see if there's any interest in getti
ng together somewhere with some other builder/flyers. I think the biggest a
ttraction to OSH for me is just getting to visit with other similarly 'infe
cted' types. I monitor the SoCal RV list, and they routinely have several p
osts each week where several people connect and either meet somewhere or fl
y somewhere together. I realize we're spread across the US and the logistic
s are greatly expanded, but it would be nice if we developed into the kind
of group that routinely met and flew together either regionally or otherwis
e. What if people just used this list to post ideas about where, who, and w
hen they would like to take a trip with some others? and let people natural
ly connect? If it turns out to be a benefit, who know someone might
set up part of a website as an " I want to take a trip' bulletin board. De
ems Davis N519PJ http://deemsrv10.com/index.html Tim Olson wrote:
>> <mailto:Tim@myrv10.com>>
>> >
>> > I just do it to try to get you all to finish up so we can have some >
great RV-10 gatherings. :) Tim
>>- *
>>
>>
>> *
>
>
>
>
>
le, List Admin.
=0A=0A=0A
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I O540D4A5 Hartzell constant speed. Anybody done one like this?
airplane is 1666, 3 people is 600, 32 gal is 192, 40 pounds of tools. total
2500 pounds, elevation 6000, temp probably 90f. DA9500.
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Best have a VERY long runway!
On Aug 26, 2009, at 7:42 PM, David McNeill wrote:
>
>
> I O540D4A5 Hartzell constant speed. Anybody done one like this?
>
> airplane is 1666, 3 people is 600, 32 gal is 192, 40 pounds of
> tools. total 2500 pounds, elevation 6000, temp probably 90f. DA9500.
>
>
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ooo, I just looked up 40G. 4200' is not a lot of extra. I was on an 8200'
runway at KEMM.
On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 6:04 PM, Dave Saylor <
dave.saylor.aircrafters@gmail.com> wrote:
> I've done a couple very similar, maybe worse. I was 100AGL after 4000 feet
> of runway. I ran up to full power, leaned before rolling, and used 1/3
> flaps.
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 5:46 PM, Miller John <gengrumpy@aol.com> wrote:
>
>> Best have a VERY long runway!
>> On Aug 26, 2009, at 7:42 PM, David McNeill wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> I O540D4A5 Hartzell constant speed. Anybody done one like this?
>>
>> airplane is 1666, 3 people is 600, 32 gal is 192, 40 pounds of tools.
>> total 2500 pounds, elevation 6000, temp probably 90f. DA9500.
>>
>> *
>> *
>>
>>
> Dave Saylor
> AirCrafters LLC
> 140 Aviation Way
> Watsonville, CA 95076
> 831-722-9141 Shop
> 831-750-0284 Cell
>
--
Dave Saylor
AirCrafters LLC
140 Aviation Way
Watsonville, CA 95076
831-722-9141 Shop
831-750-0284 Cell
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| Subject: | Re: AOPA magazine |
>>Peeler, a physician, said he doesn=92t have the time or skills to build a
n
airplane like the RV'10, which requires at least 2,000 hours for a vetera
n
builder to assemble. But he says he complies with the letter and spirit of
the regulations by only using his aircraft for private, noncommercial
purposes and hiring professional mechanics to perform the required
inspections.
=93I=92m not the builder of this airplane and I don=92t pretend to be,=94 h
e said.<<
http://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinquiry/NNum_Results.aspx?NNumbertxt=430W
P
He pretended to be the builder when he applied for the AW cert, and had his
signature notarized stating he was the builder on the 8130-12. He may have
some 'splain'n to do...
On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 4:50 PM, <pilotdds@aol.com> wrote:
> Nice RV-10 write up in the Aopa magazine-interesting comment re oil temps
>
>
Dave Saylor
AirCrafters LLC
140 Aviation Way
Watsonville, CA 95076
831-722-9141 Shop
831-750-0284 Cell
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I've done a couple very similar, maybe worse. I was 100AGL after 4000 feet
of runway. I ran up to full power, leaned before rolling, and used 1/3
flaps.
On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 5:46 PM, Miller John <gengrumpy@aol.com> wrote:
> Best have a VERY long runway!
> On Aug 26, 2009, at 7:42 PM, David McNeill wrote:
>
>
> I O540D4A5 Hartzell constant speed. Anybody done one like this?
>
> airplane is 1666, 3 people is 600, 32 gal is 192, 40 pounds of tools.
> total 2500 pounds, elevation 6000, temp probably 90f. DA9500.
>
> *
> *
>
>
Dave Saylor
AirCrafters LLC
140 Aviation Way
Watsonville, CA 95076
831-722-9141 Shop
831-750-0284 Cell
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N256H left at gross out of UIO. Used about 2,500 feet starting
uphill. 9,300ish MSL. DA over 10K. IO-540C4B5 250 HP. Have a
decision point of "this speed by this point" or do it over.
Do not archive.
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation
jesse@saintaviation.com
352-427-0285
Sent from my iPhone
On Aug 26, 2009, at 8:42 PM, "David McNeill" <dlm46007@cox.net> wrote:
>
>
> I O540D4A5 Hartzell constant speed. Anybody done one like this?
>
> airplane is 1666, 3 people is 600, 32 gal is 192, 40 pounds of
> tools. total 2500 pounds, elevation 6000, temp probably 90f. DA9500.
>
>
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Dave:
If what you are asking is estimated takeoff performance assuming an
otherwise normal RV-10......I would say no problem.
I made several takeoffs in this condition or more demanding on a recent
trip to Utah. While I did not pay particular attention to the distances
I doubt any were over
2500'.
Dick Sipp
----- Original Message -----
From: David McNeill
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 8:42 PM
Subject: RV10-List: 40G
I O540D4A5 Hartzell constant speed. Anybody done one like this?
airplane is 1666, 3 people is 600, 32 gal is 192, 40 pounds of tools.
total 2500 pounds, elevation 6000, temp probably 90f. DA9500.
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I fly out of KOGD, 4473 ft. Done several flights at 2700, or a little more,
with temps in the high 80's low 90's. No problem getting off in 2500 feet.
Used runway 16, 5195 feet.
Rene'
801-721-6080
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David McNeill
Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 6:43 PM
Subject: RV10-List: 40G
I O540D4A5 Hartzell constant speed. Anybody done one like this?
airplane is 1666, 3 people is 600, 32 gal is 192, 40 pounds of tools. total
2500 pounds, elevation 6000, temp probably 90f. DA9500.
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| Subject: | Re: Olsons great getaway writeup - A Gathering ???? |
Great ideas Deems,
I would like to see an RV-10 dedicated fly in at a different location each
year, someplace that would also provide interest to the rest of our family
members.
The Ohio Valley RVators, much like the SoCal group started as an email list
has grown to several hundred and flys somewhere in this area nearly every
weekend.
Dick Sipp
N110DV
----- Original Message -----
From: "Deems Davis" <deemsdavis@cox.net>
Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 1:09 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Olsons great getaway writeup - A Gathering ????
>
> I like this idea ... RV10 gathering/s. OSH is definitely a great
> gathering, but I'd love to see if there's any interest in getting together
> somewhere with some other builder/flyers. I think the biggest attraction
> to OSH for me is just getting to visit with other similarly 'infected'
> types.
>
> I monitor the SoCal RV list, and they routinely have several posts each
> week where several people connect and either meet somewhere or fly
> somewhere together. I realize we're spread across the US and the
> logistics are greatly expanded, but it would be nice if we developed into
> the kind of group that routinely met and flew together either regionally
> or otherwise.
>
> What if people just used this list to post ideas about where, who, and
> when they would like to take a trip with some others? and let people
> naturally connect? If it turns out to be a benefit, who know someone might
> set up part of a website as an " I want to take a trip' bulletin board.
>
> Deems Davis N519PJ
> http://deemsrv10.com/index.html
>
> Tim Olson wrote:
>>
>> I just do it to try to get you all to finish up so we can have
>> some great RV-10 gatherings. :)
>> Tim
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Olsons great getaway writeup - A Gathering -Copperstate |
!!!
I will road trip out there Friday arriving sometime in the afternoon from
SoCal. We'll camp overnight than we'll probably do the show Saturday for a
few hours and move on in the afternoon.
Look forward to meeting everyone there.
Pascal
--------------------------------------------------
From: "David McNeill" <dlm46007@cox.net>
Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 11:19 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Olsons great getaway writeup - A
Gathering -Copperstate !!!
>
> Check http://www.copperstate.org/csj/ Thursday is setup day; main show Fri
> 22 and Sat 23, 24th almost everybody is gone by noon.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Pascal
> Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 9:22 AM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Olsons great getaway writeup - A Gathering
> -Copperstate !!!
>
>
> I'll be driving out to Scottsdale October 24th, (who came up with a
> Thursday
> to Saturday flyin?) I'll talk to my wife about leaving on Friday Maybe
> we'll camp Friday night and hook up with anyone who is there.
> If any of you will be there Friday night, please let me know so I'll know
> if
> it's worth coming out Friday. Hope to meet a few of you.
> Pascal
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Deems Davis" <deemsdavis@cox.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 8:48 AM
> To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Olsons great getaway writeup - A Gathering
> -Copperstate !!!
>
>>
>> Absolutely ! We've got Copperstate coming up in Oct : (23-24)
>> http://www.copperstate.org/csj/ We had about a dozen -10 builders /
>> flyers here last year, Myron Nelson brought his 5th wheel trailer over
>> and cooked Carne Asada diiner for everyone. He even had a banner made
>> up w/ RV-10 HQ on it. There were 3-4 RV-10's that flew their planes
>> in. I personally know of at least one more that will be flying in
>> this year ;-) . He may even be able to be talked into giving some rides.
>>
>> We've got 4 flying RV10's in the area:
>>
>> David McNeil
>> Bill DeRouchey
>> Al Gardner
>> Myself.
>>
>> And several more under construction.
>>
>> Maybe we would could talk you Jim and Robin Marks into coming over
>> from CA, and Rick Sked to come down from Las Vegas, Scott to come down
>> from SLC. Heck if we can get that many -10's I'm pretty sure I can
>> arrange for us to get a 'designated parking area' set aside for us.
>> That time of the year the weather is GREAT! Visibilities are
>> unlimited. And Av Gas in Casa Grande is some of the cheapest in AZ.
>>
>> I'd be happy to work on arrangements. and possibly some group activities.
>>
>> Who's interested????????
>>
>> Deems Davis N519PJ
>> http://deemsrv10.com/index.html
>>
>>
>> pilotdds@aol.com wrote:
>>> Are you going to host the first event,I understand Az is nice in the
>>> fall?
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Deems Davis <deemsdavis@cox.net>
>>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>>> Sent: Tue, Aug 25, 2009 10:09 pm
>>> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Olsons great getaway writeup - A Gathering ????
>>>
>>> <mailto:deemsdavis@cox.net>> I like this idea ... RV10 gathering/s.
>>> OSH is definitely a great gathering, but I'd love to see if there's
>>> any interest in getting together somewhere with some other
>>> builder/flyers. I think the biggest attraction to OSH for me is just
>>> getting to visit with other similarly 'infected' types. I monitor the
>>> SoCal RV list, and they routinely have several posts each week where
>>> several people connect and either meet somewhere or fly somewhere
>>> together. I realize we're spread across the US and the logistics are
>>> greatly expanded, but it would be nice if we developed into the kind
>>> of group that routinely met and flew together either regionally or
>>> otherwise. What if people just used this list to post ideas about
>>> where, who, and when they would like to take a trip with some others?
>>> and let people naturally connect? If it turns out to be a benefit, who
> know someone might set up part of a website as an "
>>> I want to take a trip' bulletin board. Deems Davis N519PJ
>>> http://deemsrv10.com/index.html Tim Olson wrote:
>>> <mailto:Tim@myrv10.com>>
>>> >
>>> > I just do it to try to get you all to finish up so we can have some
>>> > great RV-10 gatherings. :) Tim
>>> *
>>>
>>>
>>> *
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: AOPA magazine |
I tend to get a bit irked when someone say "doesn't have the time
or skills". I mean, I had a 2 and 4 year old kid to raise, and
I took the time. I also didn't have any prior airplane building
experience, and experimental planes are for EDUCATION and
recreation....so you're supposed to LEARN the skills along
the way. So to me, it's a cop out when someone just
says they're too busy or don't know how. There are people
that take 1 year, and people that take 6 or 10 years to
complete their homebuilt...and most of them can then
take the pride that they indeed did build it.
Also, I saw a posting on another forum recently where someone
said that they didn't build their plane, and that now they
have some maintenance they need to do, but they don't know
how to do it. And, they didn't really want to take things
apart very far to get to the parts in question. I pondered
that for a minute....now, not only did the guy buy the
plane, but he doesn't have the ambition to learn and take
it apart to do proper maintenance and wants to slide through
as simple as possible on that, too. What a shame. Wouldn't
it be better to grab the plans and tear into it, and
learn about how the plane is built at least? What a
shame, the level of concern we sometimes show for gathering
knowledge.
To me, I was happy to see RV-10's held in high regard by
AOPA's magazine, but I really think they went down the
wrong path using an example of the plane that wasn't
being flown by the actual builder. It's nice press
coverage, but really, it's a homebuilt plane, and
it would be nice if an honest to goodness homebuilder
could share their even greater joy and regard for the
process, and how much it enriched their life and experience.
Not knocking anyone in particular with that...it's just
that really, it's a nice plane and all, but it's the
complete understanding, attention to detail, ultra
care in maintenance and quality, and that sort of thing
that sets us apart. The plane itself can be far better
than most certified planes, simply due to the fact that
an honest to goodness homebuilder "Repairman" can
do improvements that FAA regs would handicap them
from being able to accomplish if it were certified...at
least without tons of paperwork.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
do not archive
Dave Saylor wrote:
> >>Peeler, a physician, said he doesnt have the time or skills to build
> an airplane like the RV10, which requires at least 2,000 hours for a
> veteran builder to assemble. But he says he complies with the letter and
> spirit of the regulations by only using his aircraft for private,
> noncommercial purposes and hiring professional mechanics to perform the
> required inspections.
>
> Im not the builder of this airplane and I dont pretend to be, he said.<<
>
> http://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinquiry/NNum_Results.aspx?NNumbertxt=430WP
>
> He pretended to be the builder when he applied for the AW cert, and had
> his signature notarized stating he was the builder on the 8130-12. He
> may have some 'splain'n to do...
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 4:50 PM, <pilotdds@aol.com
> <mailto:pilotdds@aol.com>> wrote:
>
> Nice RV-10 write up in the Aopa magazine-interesting comment re oil
> temps
>
>
>
> Dave Saylor
> AirCrafters LLC
> 140 Aviation Way
> Watsonville, CA 95076
> 831-722-9141 Shop
> 831-750-0284 Cell
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Sounds very doable with relative ease if there aren't huge threshold
Obstacles. I was still climbing at 16k last week and we were pretty
loaded.climbed like a 172 at home when going thru 9k in the -10.
Tim
Do not archive
On Aug 26, 2009, at 7:42 PM, "David McNeill" <dlm46007@cox.net> wrote:
>
>
> I O540D4A5 Hartzell constant speed. Anybody done one like this?
>
> airplane is 1666, 3 people is 600, 32 gal is 192, 40 pounds of
> tools. total 2500 pounds, elevation 6000, temp probably 90f. DA9500.
>
>
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It is a different feel and you will climb slower with a longer ground roll than
what you are used to.Remember your v-speeds and proper leaning techniques and
all else being normal it will do it.I have been to Bishop, RKS and TVL and am
very pleased with the high altitude performance.Do not take high density altitude
lightly.
-----Original Message-----
From: Dave Saylor <dave.saylor.aircrafters@gmail.com>
Sent: Wed, Aug 26, 2009 6:04 pm
Subject: Re: RV10-List: 40G
I've done a couple very similar, maybe worse.? I was 100AGL after 4000 feet of
runway.? I ran up to full power, leaned before rolling, and used 1/3 flaps.
On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 5:46 PM, Miller John <gengrumpy@aol.com> wrote:
Best have a VERY long runway!
On Aug 26, 2009, at 7:42 PM, David McNeill wrote:
?
I?O540D4A5 Hartzell constant speed. Anybody done one like this??
airplane is 1666, 3 people is 600, 32 gal is 192, 40 pounds of tools. total 2500
pounds, elevation 6000, temp probably 90f. DA9500.
Dave Saylor
AirCrafters LLC
140 Aviation Way
Watsonville, CA 95076
831-722-9141 Shop
831-750-0284 Cell
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| Subject: | Re: Olsons great getaway writeup - A Gathering ???? |
Fred, Monument valley airport is 255nm NE from KCGZ (Casa Grande /
Copperstate). It's near the Utah Arizona border about midway between
Page Az and 4 corners.
(I've got visions of Fred's Paris Special perched atop one of the
spiers !!!!!)
Deems
Fred Williams, M.D. wrote:
> <drfred@suddenlinkmail.com>
>
> Deems;
>
> How far away is monument valley???
> It 's on my bucket list of things to do in my RV 10
>
> Dr Fred.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Bonded Edges of Windows |
Cover them with a very light weight strip of fiberglass cloth, to
prevent cracks in the paint developing later, then paint over them.
Deems Davis N519PJ
http://deemsrv10.com/index.html
Jeff Carpenter wrote:
>
> I'm about to take the plunge and bond the windows onto the doors.
> I've got a cosmetic question:
>
> What do you see when looking through the plexi to the bonded edge?
>
> The Weld-On 10 is white. Should I paint the exterior perimeter of the
> window to hide that? Should I add some black color to that somehow
> first? What have others done?
>
> Jeff Carpenter
> 40304
> Covered in a fine dusting of plexi glass
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Bonded Edges of Windows |
Ditto to Deems. I don't know of any tested way to tint the Weld-On.
Dave
On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 9:52 PM, Deems Davis <deemsdavis@cox.net> wrote:
>
> Cover them with a very light weight strip of fiberglass cloth, to prevent
> cracks in the paint developing later, then paint over them.
>
> Deems Davis N519PJ
> http://deemsrv10.com/index.html
>
>
> Jeff Carpenter wrote:
>
>>
>> I'm about to take the plunge and bond the windows onto the doors. I've
>> got a cosmetic question:
>>
>> What do you see when looking through the plexi to the bonded edge?
>>
>> The Weld-On 10 is white. Should I paint the exterior perimeter of the
>> window to hide that? Should I add some black color to that somehow first?
>> What have others done?
>>
>> Jeff Carpenter
>> 40304
>> Covered in a fine dusting of plexi glass
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
--
Dave Saylor
AirCrafters LLC
140 Aviation Way
Watsonville, CA 95076
831-722-9141 Shop
831-750-0284 Cell
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| Subject: | Re: AOPA magazine |
Tim,
I was saying to myself, as I thumbed to the AOPA article, I hope it's
Tim...but no. Oh well.
Geez, the timing couldn't be worse, since we're all waiting to see what FAA
finally decides regarding 51%. I'm pretty sure they're NOT gonna say it's
OK to violate the rule as long as you keep the operation non-commercial...
And although I for one am glad some people don't have the skills required
(thereby generating my paycheck...), I agree that it is tiresome to hear
about people who blatantly violate the rules. Somehow worse when they put
it in black and white. Worse than that is when our #2 lobbying organizatio
n
puts it in black and white for them, and either looks the other way or
doesn't know the difference. C'mon, AOPA.
Dave
On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 8:33 PM, Tim Olson <Tim@myrv10.com> wrote:
>
> I tend to get a bit irked when someone say "doesn't have the time
> or skills". I mean, I had a 2 and 4 year old kid to raise, and
> I took the time. I also didn't have any prior airplane building
> experience, and experimental planes are for EDUCATION and
> recreation....so you're supposed to LEARN the skills along
> the way. So to me, it's a cop out when someone just
> says they're too busy or don't know how. There are people
> that take 1 year, and people that take 6 or 10 years to
> complete their homebuilt...and most of them can then
> take the pride that they indeed did build it.
>
> Also, I saw a posting on another forum recently where someone
> said that they didn't build their plane, and that now they
> have some maintenance they need to do, but they don't know
> how to do it. And, they didn't really want to take things
> apart very far to get to the parts in question. I pondered
> that for a minute....now, not only did the guy buy the
> plane, but he doesn't have the ambition to learn and take
> it apart to do proper maintenance and wants to slide through
> as simple as possible on that, too. What a shame. Wouldn't
> it be better to grab the plans and tear into it, and
> learn about how the plane is built at least? What a
> shame, the level of concern we sometimes show for gathering
> knowledge.
>
> To me, I was happy to see RV-10's held in high regard by
> AOPA's magazine, but I really think they went down the
> wrong path using an example of the plane that wasn't
> being flown by the actual builder. It's nice press
> coverage, but really, it's a homebuilt plane, and
> it would be nice if an honest to goodness homebuilder
> could share their even greater joy and regard for the
> process, and how much it enriched their life and experience.
> Not knocking anyone in particular with that...it's just
> that really, it's a nice plane and all, but it's the
> complete understanding, attention to detail, ultra
> care in maintenance and quality, and that sort of thing
> that sets us apart. The plane itself can be far better
> than most certified planes, simply due to the fact that
> an honest to goodness homebuilder "Repairman" can
> do improvements that FAA regs would handicap them
> from being able to accomplish if it were certified...at
> least without tons of paperwork.
>
> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
> do not archive
>
>
> Dave Saylor wrote:
>
>> >>Peeler, a physician, said he doesn=92t have the time or skills to bui
ld
>> an airplane like the RV'10, which requires at least 2,000 hours for a
>> veteran builder to assemble. But he says he complies with the letter and
>> spirit of the regulations by only using his aircraft for private,
>> noncommercial purposes and hiring professional mechanics to perform the
>> required inspections.
>>
>> =93I=92m not the builder of this airplane and I don=92t pretend to be,
=94 he
>> said.<<
>>
>> http://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinquiry/NNum_Results.aspx?NNumbertxt=4
30WP
>>
>> He pretended to be the builder when he applied for the AW cert, and had
>> his signature notarized stating he was the builder on the 8130-12. He m
ay
>> have some 'splain'n to do...
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 4:50 PM, <pilotdds@aol.com <mailto:
>> pilotdds@aol.com>> wrote:
>>
>> Nice RV-10 write up in the Aopa magazine-interesting comment re oil
>> temps
>>
>>
>>
>> Dave Saylor
>> AirCrafters LLC
>> 140 Aviation Way
>> Watsonville, CA 95076
>> 831-722-9141 Shop
>> 831-750-0284 Cell
>>
>
>
===========
===========
===========
===========
>
>
--
Dave Saylor
AirCrafters LLC
140 Aviation Way
Watsonville, CA 95076
831-722-9141 Shop
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