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1. 05:12 AM - Re: Rudder Trim Pushrod Help (Ron B.)
2. 05:19 AM - Re: Gaps between Weld-On 10 and Window (Ron B.)
3. 07:01 AM - Re: Grab Handles (David Hertner)
4. 07:37 AM - Upper Dash Covering and Instrument Fairing (David Hertner)
5. 09:32 AM - Re: Rudder Trim Pushrod Help (jkreidler)
6. 09:39 AM - Re: Upper Dash Covering and Instrument Fairing (jkreidler)
7. 01:53 PM - Re: Gaps between Weld-On 10 and Window (johngoodman)
8. 03:24 PM - RV-10 Air Cond (woxofswa)
9. 05:27 PM - Re: Re: Olsons great getaway writeup - A Gathering ???? (Brent P. Humphreys)
10. 05:28 PM - Re: RV-10 Air Cond (Don Orrick)
11. 05:40 PM - Re: Re: Olsons great getaway writeup - A Gathering ???? (Brent P. Humphreys)
12. 05:58 PM - Grounding Questions (Perry, Phil)
13. 06:22 PM - Re: Grounding Questions (Linn Walters)
14. 06:22 PM - Re: RV-10 Air Cond (David Maib)
15. 06:47 PM - Re: Grounding Questions (Jesse Saint)
16. 07:13 PM - Re: Grounding Questions (Carl Froehlich)
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| Subject: | Re: Rudder Trim Pushrod Help |
I think if you move the servo closer to the trim arm it may help.
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| Subject: | Re: Gaps between Weld-On 10 and Window |
I had acceptable bonding on my windscreen but knew I could inject some epoxy to
fill the space without drilling , so I went ahead and filled the gap. Worked
well for me. I had used weld-on for the initial bonding, but had none uncured
left. I doubt I would drill the plexy but would drill a small hole in the cabin
epoxy and use a syringe.
Ron
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| Subject: | Re: Grab Handles |
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| Subject: | Upper Dash Covering and Instrument Fairing |
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| Subject: | Re: Rudder Trim Pushrod Help |
You might consider going to your local hobby shop. There are many different rod
ends available for RC airplanes. Your call if you want to use those parts in
this application, but it might lend some ideas.
Thansk, Jason Kreidler
N44Thanks Flying #40617
4 Partner Build - Sheboygan Falls, WI
Tony Kolar, Kyle Hokel, Wayne Elsner, Jason Kreidler
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| Subject: | Re: Upper Dash Covering and Instrument Fairing |
That looks awesome! Nice idea on the fairing, nice work, congrats.
What a great place to hide those 'hockey puck' GPS antennas.
Jason Kreidler
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| Subject: | Re: Gaps between Weld-On 10 and Window |
I had the same problem. I filled the gaps with epoxy in a syringe. Once the outside
fiberglass is done, nobody will ever know....
John
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#40572 QB Fuselage, wings finished. Finish Kit progressing. Engine & Panel
delivery soon.
N711JG reserved
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I am getting to the point where I need to fish or cut bait on the A/C installation.
Is there anyone out there with field experience of working systems?
Any pros/cons between the two primary systems available?
To those who've done it, would you do it again?
Thanks in advance.
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Myron Nelson
Mesa, AZ
Emp completed, legacy build fuse in progress
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| Subject: | Re: Olsons great getaway writeup - A Gathering ???? |
Deems
When you are in Branson, I would love to get a look at your airplane.
We are a little West of there.
We are doing some vacation in Oct. so it may not work out.
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Brent Humphreys
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Deems Davis
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 11:54 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Olsons great getaway writeup - A Gathering
????
Branson MO? We've got a couple of days @ a time share reserved there
sometime in OCT
Deems
orchidman wrote:
>
> After I get my plane back from the paint shop I want to start looking
for a good airport in the Ozarks (Eastern OK, Western AR, and MO)
> That would put it within a -10 tank of gas for everyone within the
circle from TX, NM, the Dakotas, WI, OH, and GA which would be most of
the central US.
> I am sure others can do it for the western and eastern areas also.
> Come in on a Saturday and leave by noon on Sunday.
>
> --------
> Gary Blankenbiller
> RV10 - # 40674
> (N2GB Flying)
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=259963#259963
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| Subject: | Re: RV-10 Air Cond |
Myron,
I have the Airflow Systems A/C system on my RV-10. I would absolutely do it again.
The system was straight forward to install and works great. The RV-10 has
a lot of glass for the sun to heat the plane up. taxing in and out of the airport
is where it really makes a big difference in hot weather, the three speed
fan is nice and can be used to blow air only without the A/C compressor running.
Bill Genevro is very easy to work with and will stand behind his product. The
system adds 40 lbs. to the empty weight and only moves the CG aft about 3/8'
also it is a 12 volt system. In terms of speed loss due to the system I can't
tell you since the system has been on the plane since day one. Just an observation
but if you live in Arizona.... Yea, you want one of these!
Don Orrick
N410JA
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| Subject: | Re: Olsons great getaway writeup - A Gathering ???? |
If you decide on Gaston's we are pretty near there. You can come
inspect my project.
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Brent Humphreys
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Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 4:02 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: Olsons great getaway writeup - A Gathering ????
I now have 3 locations to examine.
I assume that we need to evaluate parking, air camping, hotels, food and
any gathering area plus what else?
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Gary Blankenbiller
RV10 - # 40674
(N2GB Flying)
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| Subject: | Grounding Questions |
I'm in the process of trying to layout my electrical system on paper and
in my head.
Probably the best place to start is with the grounding system. I really
don't like the idea of routing current through the airframe and would
prefer to ground everything back to a block.
Here is where I think I'm headed.
1) Run a line directly from the (-) Terminal of the battery forward
to the firewall.
a. Attach this line to a "Forest of Tab" on the interior side of
the firewall. Ground everything forward of the baggage compartment to
this spot.
b. Jump through the firewall on the other side and ground all FWF
items to the "Forest of Tab" on the FWF side.
c. I'll also ground the crank case at this point too.
2) Run a line directly from the (-) Terminal of the battery to the
left wing tip and install a Forest out there too.....
a. Install a similar setup for NAV, Strobe, Taxi/Landing, Pitot
heat, Aileron Trim, Stall Warning, etc......
3) Run a line directly from the (-) Terminal of the battery to the
right wing tip and install a Forest.
a. Repeat the left side setup of grounding on the wing items on
the right side.
4) Run a line directly from the (-) Terminal of the battery to a
"Forest of Tabs" located beside the battery box.
a. This is for the point for grounding all tailcone electronics.
NAV, Rudder Trim Servo, Elevator Servo, and any other electronic devices
that end up aft of the baggage compartment.
How have you designed your grounding system? Grounding issues can be a
pain to chase down, so that's the reason I'm really wanting to spend the
time designing a system that is pretty robust and easy to trace.
Thanks,
Phil
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| Subject: | Re: Grounding Questions |
Perry, Phil wrote:
> Im in the process of trying to layout my electrical system on paper and
> in my head.
>
>
>
> Probably the best place to start is with the grounding system. I really
> dont like the idea of routing current through the airframe and would
> prefer to ground everything back to a block.
>
>
>
> Here is where I think Im headed.
>
>
>
> 1) Run a line directly from the (-) Terminal of the battery forward
> to the firewall.
>
> a. Attach this line to a Forest of Tab on the interior side of
> the firewall. Ground everything forward of the baggage compartment to
> this spot.
My only comment would be to mount the 'forest of tabs' on the sub-panel
where it's access is better than the firewall. You never know when
you'll add something!
>
> b. Jump through the firewall on the other side and ground all FWF
> items to the Forest of Tab on the FWF side.
>
> c. Ill also ground the crank case at this point too.
>
> 2) Run a line directly from the (-) Terminal of the battery to the
> left wing tip and install a Forest out there too..
>
> a. Install a similar setup for NAV, Strobe, Taxi/Landing, Pitot
> heat, Aileron Trim, Stall Warning, etc
>
> 3) Run a line directly from the (-) Terminal of the battery to the
> right wing tip and install a Forest.
>
> a. Repeat the left side setup of grounding on the wing items on
> the right side.
>
> 4) Run a line directly from the (-) Terminal of the battery to a
> Forest of Tabs located beside the battery box.
>
> a. This is for the point for grounding all tailcone electronics.
> NAV, Rudder Trim Servo, Elevator Servo, and any other electronic devices
> that end up aft of the baggage compartment.
I can't really find anything 'wrong' with doing things this way with the
exception of electronic AHRS and Compass mounted back there. They
should have a ground wire going back to the ground point of your
electronics. The ground potential COULD be different and cause
problems, but for strobes and lamps etc. I see no reason not to use a
forest of tabs here.
>
>
>
> How have you designed your grounding system? Grounding issues can be a
> pain to chase down, so thats the reason Im really wanting to spend the
> time designing a system that is pretty robust and easy to trace.
You pretty much have your grounding system laid out like mine is.
Linn
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Phil
>
>
>
>
>
> *
>
>
> *
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| Subject: | Re: RV-10 Air Cond |
I have been flying with the Flightline AC system for 8 months in
Florida. Very happy with the system and cannot imagine being without
it. As Don Orrick notes, being able to have AC while taxiing is
really nice. We also have the Vertical Power Climate Control System
and it works great. Being able to run the cabin fan without the
compressor on is desirable, and Vertical Power is still working on
that. When we were building this airplane up in Minnesota, my wife
was not sure we needed to put in AC, even though we knew we were
moving south. She said "being hot and sweaty is just part of the
light airplane experience". She has officially changed her tune and
is really glad we installed AC.
David Maib
40559
Flying
On Aug 30, 2009, at 6:23 PM, woxofswa wrote:
I am getting to the point where I need to fish or cut bait on the A/C
installation.
Is there anyone out there with field experience of working systems?
Any pros/cons between the two primary systems available?
To those who've done it, would you do it again?
Thanks in advance.
--------
Myron Nelson
Mesa, AZ
Emp completed, legacy build fuse in progress
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| Subject: | Re: Grounding Questions |
Are all of these Forests of Tabs going to be isolated from airframe
(except at the firewall)? If so, where will your main airframe ground
be? I assume at the firewall. If not, with wires from the battery
negative post to airframe at all of these points, would that introduce
more ground loop possibilities in the airframe, with the ground being
able to go through the airframe or through the wire back to the
battery? Just curious. I just remember from my research that giving
the ground two possible options/paths can cause more noise in the
system.
do not archive
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse@saintaviation.com
Cell: 352-427-0285
Fax: 815-377-3694
On Aug 30, 2009, at 8:53 PM, Perry, Phil wrote:
> I=92m in the process of trying to layout my electrical system on paper
> and in my head.
>
> Probably the best place to start is with the grounding system. I
> really don=92t like the idea of routing current through the airframe
> and would prefer to ground everything back to a block.
>
> Here is where I think I=92m headed.
>
> 1) Run a line directly from the (-) Terminal of the battery
> forward to the firewall.
> a. Attach this line to a =93Forest of Tab=94 on the interior
side
> of the firewall. Ground everything forward of the baggage
> compartment to this spot.
> b. Jump through the firewall on the other side and ground all
> FWF items to the =93Forest of Tab=94 on the FWF side.
> c. I=92ll also ground the crank case at this point too.
>
> 2) Run a line directly from the (-) Terminal of the battery to
> the left wing tip and install a Forest out there too=85..
> a. Install a similar setup for NAV, Strobe, Taxi/Landing,
> Pitot heat, Aileron Trim, Stall Warning, etc=85=85
>
> 3) Run a line directly from the (-) Terminal of the battery to
> the right wing tip and install a Forest.
> a. Repeat the left side setup of grounding on the wing items
> on the right side.
>
> 4) Run a line directly from the (-) Terminal of the battery to
> a =93Forest of Tabs=94 located beside the battery box.
> a. This is for the point for grounding all tailcone
> electronics. NAV, Rudder Trim Servo, Elevator Servo, and any other
> electronic devices that end up aft of the baggage compartment.
>
> How have you designed your grounding system? Grounding issues can
> be a pain to chase down, so that=92s the reason I=92m really wanting
to
> spend the time designing a system that is pretty robust and easy to
> trace.
>
> Thanks,
> Phil
>
>
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| Subject: | Grounding Questions |
Phil,
Some thoughts:
1. The only thing on the engine that needs a hefty ground is the
starter. Run your ground wire from the same bolt that goes through the
firewall to the nice ground lug on the starter (a number #4 wire works
well). On the same starter ground lug do a jumper (like a ground strap or
perhaps a piece of #6 wire) to the mounting bolts on the alternator. This
way you have an excellent ground path for both the starter and the
alternator.
2. I plan on two Odyssey PC625 batteries in my RV-10 (that is what I'm
running in my 8A). These will be enable split bus operation in the event of
a failure of one side or the other. If you plan on split power supplies,
keep in mind a single ground wire that connect both battery grounds to a
single point defeats the purpose of having redundant power supplies. Run a
single common #2 or #4 wire that connects both battery grounds to the
firewall bolt discussed above (this is the starter ground and half of the
panel ground). Run another #10 wire ground from both batteries to another
"forest of tabs" on the firewall. Split the panel ground paths between them
consistent with how you are splitting the power distribution. The objective
is to not allow a single failure point (the firewall ground lug) take down
your entire panel.
3. Typically a single #14 ground wire is sufficient as a common ground
for each wing. You may want to run another #14 ground to the pitot heat if
it draws a lot of current. Ground these on the same firewall lug that you
have the starter on (on the cabin side). You don't need a forest of tabs in
the wing, just solder pigtails onto the single #14 wire that go to each
component. Do the same type of pigtail for all tail cone grounds.
Carl\
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Perry, Phil
Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2009 8:54 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Grounding Questions
I'm in the process of trying to layout my electrical system on paper and in
my head.
Probably the best place to start is with the grounding system. I really
don't like the idea of routing current through the airframe and would prefer
to ground everything back to a block.
Here is where I think I'm headed.
1) Run a line directly from the (-) Terminal of the battery forward to
the firewall.
a. Attach this line to a "Forest of Tab" on the interior side of the
firewall. Ground everything forward of the baggage compartment to this
spot.
b. Jump through the firewall on the other side and ground all FWF items
to the "Forest of Tab" on the FWF side.
c. I'll also ground the crank case at this point too.
2) Run a line directly from the (-) Terminal of the battery to the left
wing tip and install a Forest out there too...
a. Install a similar setup for NAV, Strobe, Taxi/Landing, Pitot heat,
Aileron Trim, Stall Warning, etc..
3) Run a line directly from the (-) Terminal of the battery to the
right wing tip and install a Forest.
a. Repeat the left side setup of grounding on the wing items on the
right side.
4) Run a line directly from the (-) Terminal of the battery to a
"Forest of Tabs" located beside the battery box.
a. This is for the point for grounding all tailcone electronics. NAV,
Rudder Trim Servo, Elevator Servo, and any other electronic devices that end
up aft of the baggage compartment.
How have you designed your grounding system? Grounding issues can be a pain
to chase down, so that's the reason I'm really wanting to spend the time
designing a system that is pretty robust and easy to trace.
Thanks,
Phil
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