---------------------------------------------------------- RV10-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 09/09/09: 27 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:57 AM - Re: Door locks (AirMike) 2. 05:44 AM - Re: Re: Door locks (Miller John) 3. 06:43 AM - Re: Re: Door locks (Rene Felker) 4. 07:26 AM - Was: Door locks (Jesse Saint) 5. 07:26 AM - Re: Re: Door locks (Miller John) 6. 07:43 AM - IO-540 Parts & Overhaul Manuals (Neal George) 7. 08:17 AM - Re: Re: Door locks (Bob Kaufmann) 8. 08:17 AM - Re: IO-540 Parts & Overhaul Manuals (davidsoutpost@comcast.net) 9. 08:17 AM - Re: door locks (Don McDonald) 10. 08:25 AM - Re: Re: Door locks (Linn Walters) 11. 09:45 AM - Re: Was: Door locks Now Flaps (Robin Marks) 12. 10:48 AM - Re: Was: Door locks Now Flaps (Jeff Carpenter) 13. 10:48 AM - Window Write Up Repost (Jeff Carpenter) 14. 10:48 AM - Re: IO-540 Parts & Overhaul Manuals (Lew Gallagher) 15. 10:54 AM - Re: Flaps (Jesse Saint) 16. 11:23 AM - Re: IO-540 Parts & Overhaul Manuals (Neal George) 17. 12:40 PM - RV-10 Video (David Shelton) 18. 01:14 PM - Re: RV-10 Video (John Jessen) 19. 01:23 PM - Re: Was: Door locks (Miller John) 20. 01:45 PM - Re: Was: Door locks (lbgjb10) 21. 02:40 PM - Re: Re: Door locks (Miller John) 22. 03:25 PM - Re: Re: Door locks (Robert Brunkenhoefer) 23. 04:39 PM - Re: IO-540 Parts & Overhaul Manuals (Robert Brunkenhoefer) 24. 04:39 PM - Re: Was: Door locks (Robert Brunkenhoefer) 25. 04:56 PM - Re: Re: Door locks (Bill DeRouchey) 26. 06:55 PM - Re: Re: New garmin traffic system was announced (Bill DeRouchey) 27. 07:03 PM - Re: RV-10 Video (David Shelton) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:57:42 AM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: Door locks From: "AirMike" I put in the cheap - flimsy Van's lock. You only need it on one door - use a wedge or other restraint on the Passenger side door. The alarm is probably just as good of an idea. A decal indicating alarm protection might be as good as a lock. The lock is to send the thief to the plane parked next to yours. It is really a visual to keep the thief from climbing up on the wing and damaging your flap. Alway keep in mind the Van's philosophy of light and INEXPENSIVE.. Remember that you own a light and fast RV10 not a spam can that is essentially a pig with lipstick. -------- OSH '10 or Bust Q/B Kit - phase 1 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=262236#262236 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:44:28 AM PST US From: Miller John Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Door locks I used a simple trailer lock on both doors. Locking arm swings down into a cutout in the top of the lower door frame. Similar to the baggage door key, but I changed that one out and put a combo lock on it so I don't have to mess with a key every time I want to get into the baggage compartment. Grumpy N184JM do not archive On Sep 8, 2009, at 10:08 PM, David McNeill wrote: > > IIRC locks were not supplied or specified in the kit. It is roll > your own > time. I concur with the Blue mountain mess though. I am not > justifying Vans > simply stating that Vans omits that part of the kit. > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:43:30 AM PST US From: "Rene Felker" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Door locks That combo lock sounds like a great idea. Is it a drop in replacement? Where can I get one.... Rene' Felker RV-10 N423CF Flying 801-721-6080 -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Miller John Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2009 6:43 AM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Door locks I used a simple trailer lock on both doors. Locking arm swings down into a cutout in the top of the lower door frame. Similar to the baggage door key, but I changed that one out and put a combo lock on it so I don't have to mess with a key every time I want to get into the baggage compartment. Grumpy N184JM do not archive On Sep 8, 2009, at 10:08 PM, David McNeill wrote: > > IIRC locks were not supplied or specified in the kit. It is roll > your own > time. I concur with the Blue mountain mess though. I am not > justifying Vans > simply stating that Vans omits that part of the kit. > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:26:31 AM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Was: Door locks From: Jesse Saint This brings up another issue. Do most people leave their flaps down when parked for ease of getting up and down without as much chance of standing on the flap? We always leave our flaps down when on the ground. do not archive Jesse Saint Saint Aviation, Inc. jesse@saintaviation.com Cell: 352-427-0285 Fax: 815-377-3694 On Sep 9, 2009, at 7:56 AM, AirMike wrote: > > I put in the cheap - flimsy Van's lock. You only need it on one door > - use a wedge or other restraint on the Passenger side door. The > alarm is probably just as good of an idea. A decal indicating alarm > protection might be as good as a lock. The lock is to send the thief > to the plane parked next to yours. It is really a visual to keep the > thief from climbing up on the wing and damaging your flap. > > Alway keep in mind the Van's philosophy of light and INEXPENSIVE.. > Remember that you own a light and fast RV10 not a spam can that is > essentially a pig with lipstick. > > -------- > OSH '10 or Bust > Q/B Kit - phase 1 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:26:49 AM PST US From: Miller John Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Door locks Get at any hardware store. I mounted it about center bottom of each door. Mount low enough so that the arm can go down into the lower frame. Handle is free to move as normal, but door won't open with the latch of the door into the frame. grumpy N184JM do not archive On Sep 9, 2009, at 8:32 AM, Rene Felker wrote: > > That combo lock sounds like a great idea. Is it a drop in replacement? > Where can I get one.... > > Rene' Felker > RV-10 N423CF Flying > 801-721-6080 > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Miller John > Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2009 6:43 AM > To: rv10-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Door locks > > > I used a simple trailer lock on both doors. Locking arm swings down > into a cutout in the top of the lower door frame. > > Similar to the baggage door key, but I changed that one out and put a > combo lock on it so I don't have to mess with a key every time I want > to get into the baggage compartment. > > Grumpy > N184JM > > do not archive > > On Sep 8, 2009, at 10:08 PM, David McNeill wrote: > >> >> IIRC locks were not supplied or specified in the kit. It is roll >> your own >> time. I concur with the Blue mountain mess though. I am not >> justifying Vans >> simply stating that Vans omits that part of the kit. >> > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:43:01 AM PST US From: "Neal George" Subject: RV10-List: IO-540 Parts & Overhaul Manuals Listers - I need to tear into an IO-540-C4B5. Does anybody have electronic versions of the Parts and Overhaul manuals? Neal E. George 2023 Everglades Drive Navarre, FL 32566 H - 850-515-0640 C - 850-218-4838 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:17:18 AM PST US From: "Bob Kaufmann" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Door locks Show us a photo Bob K -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Miller John Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2009 7:08 AM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Door locks Get at any hardware store. I mounted it about center bottom of each door. Mount low enough so that the arm can go down into the lower frame. Handle is free to move as normal, but door won't open with the latch of the door into the frame. grumpy N184JM do not archive On Sep 9, 2009, at 8:32 AM, Rene Felker wrote: > > That combo lock sounds like a great idea. Is it a drop in replacement? > Where can I get one.... > > Rene' Felker > RV-10 N423CF Flying > 801-721-6080 > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Miller John > Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2009 6:43 AM > To: rv10-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Door locks > > > I used a simple trailer lock on both doors. Locking arm swings down > into a cutout in the top of the lower door frame. > > Similar to the baggage door key, but I changed that one out and put a > combo lock on it so I don't have to mess with a key every time I want > to get into the baggage compartment. > > Grumpy > N184JM > > do not archive > > On Sep 8, 2009, at 10:08 PM, David McNeill wrote: > >> >> IIRC locks were not supplied or specified in the kit. It is roll >> your own >> time. I concur with the Blue mountain mess though. I am not >> justifying Vans >> simply stating that Vans omits that part of the kit. >> > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:17:19 AM PST US From: davidsoutpost@comcast.net Subject: Re: RV10-List: IO-540 Parts & Overhaul Manuals I managed to get paper manuals off eBay for a very reasonable price.=C2- IIRC, there were a few DVD's available also. David=C2- Clifford ----- Original Message ----- From: "Neal George" Sent: Wednesday, September 9, 2009 10:31:15 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RV10-List: IO-540 Parts & Overhaul Manuals Listers =93 I need to tear into an IO-540-C4B5. Does anybody have electronic versions of the Parts and Overhaul manuals? Neal E. George 2023 Everglades Drive Navarre, FL=C2- 32566 H - 850-515-0640 C - 850-218-4838 == ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:17:19 AM PST US From: Don McDonald Subject: Re: RV10-List: door locks Is it more of a target because if they get caught, not likely, they would t hen get 5 years of free room and board..... and get to visit all their budd ies?>?>?>?- We use a simple lock on the pilot door, and a strap which holds the copilot latch from being moved.- Don --- On Tue, 9/8/09, David McNeill wrote: From: David McNeill Subject: RV10-List: door locks Aother possibility is a sign in the window. "Theft or damage to this aircra ft is a federal crime punishable by 5 years and $250,000-fine etc........ ................................". this is the way they post at my airport. Of course in this environment it might make the aircraft more of a target. .. =0A=0A=0A ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 08:25:54 AM PST US From: Linn Walters Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Door locks Hi Bob! I was corresponding with rick ..... Louise and I'll be in LAS at 6 PM tomorrow, staying through Wed. I was hoping to get some air time in Ricks but he's down for the moment. I wanna get a look at your project too, if you have time. Linn ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 09:45:55 AM PST US Subject: RE: RV10-List: Was: Door locks Now Flaps From: "Robin Marks" Jessie, I try to minimize the number of times I cycle to flaps by leaving them down after landing and taxi back to my hangar. They stay down till I power up for my next start where I hit the flap up toggle while my PFD comes alive & I go through my start procedure. By the time my engine is primed the flaps are up and I am ready to crank the engine. I then put the 3 degrees in so as to not forget before take off. I actually have several reminders on my check list to put the 3 degrees in as it is an easy thing to overlook. This procedure minimizes the number of times I cycle the flap motor and also keeps the flaps out of the way of control surface damaging visitors. I follow this procedure because I have hangars at both ends of my regular commute. I would have the flaps in the up position if/when I have to leave the plane outdoors overnight. I also retract the flaps anytime I an taxiing over surfaces with loose debris. Robin -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jesse Saint Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2009 7:08 AM Subject: RV10-List: Was: Door locks This brings up another issue. Do most people leave their flaps down when parked for ease of getting up and down without as much chance of standing on the flap? We always leave our flaps down when on the ground. do not archive Jesse Saint Saint Aviation, Inc. jesse@saintaviation.com Cell: 352-427-0285 Fax: 815-377-3694 On Sep 9, 2009, at 7:56 AM, AirMike wrote: > > I put in the cheap - flimsy Van's lock. You only need it on one door > - use a wedge or other restraint on the Passenger side door. The > alarm is probably just as good of an idea. A decal indicating alarm > protection might be as good as a lock. The lock is to send the thief > to the plane parked next to yours. It is really a visual to keep the > thief from climbing up on the wing and damaging your flap. > > Alway keep in mind the Van's philosophy of light and INEXPENSIVE.. > Remember that you own a light and fast RV10 not a spam can that is > essentially a pig with lipstick. > > -------- > OSH '10 or Bust > Q/B Kit - phase 1 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 10:48:54 AM PST US From: Jeff Carpenter Subject: Re: RV10-List: Was: Door locks Now Flaps I assume it's also advisable to retract the flaps when on the ground in any kind of high or gusty wind condition. Jeff Carpenter On Sep 9, 2009, at 9:37 AM, Robin Marks wrote: > > Jessie, > I try to minimize the number of times I cycle to flaps by > leaving them down after landing and taxi back to my hangar. They stay > down till I power up for my next start where I hit the flap up toggle > while my PFD comes alive & I go through my start procedure. By the > time > my engine is primed the flaps are up and I am ready to crank the > engine. > I then put the 3 degrees in so as to not forget before take off. I > actually have several reminders on my check list to put the 3 > degrees in > as it is an easy thing to overlook. This procedure minimizes the > number > of times I cycle the flap motor and also keeps the flaps out of the > way > of control surface damaging visitors. > I follow this procedure because I have hangars at both ends of > my regular commute. I would have the flaps in the up position if/ > when I > have to leave the plane outdoors overnight. I also retract the flaps > anytime I an taxiing over surfaces with loose debris. > > Robin > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jesse Saint > Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2009 7:08 AM > To: rv10-list@matronics.com > Subject: RV10-List: Was: Door locks > > > This brings up another issue. Do most people leave their flaps down > when parked for ease of getting up and down without as much chance of > standing on the flap? We always leave our flaps down when on the > ground. > > do not archive > > Jesse Saint > Saint Aviation, Inc. > jesse@saintaviation.com > Cell: 352-427-0285 > Fax: 815-377-3694 > > On Sep 9, 2009, at 7:56 AM, AirMike wrote: > >> >> I put in the cheap - flimsy Van's lock. You only need it on one door >> - use a wedge or other restraint on the Passenger side door. The >> alarm is probably just as good of an idea. A decal indicating alarm >> protection might be as good as a lock. The lock is to send the thief >> to the plane parked next to yours. It is really a visual to keep the >> thief from climbing up on the wing and damaging your flap. >> >> Alway keep in mind the Van's philosophy of light and INEXPENSIVE.. >> Remember that you own a light and fast RV10 not a spam can that is >> essentially a pig with lipstick. >> >> -------- >> OSH '10 or Bust >> Q/B Kit - phase 1 > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 10:48:54 AM PST US From: Jeff Carpenter Subject: RV10-List: Window Write Up Repost In response to a number of requests, I am reposting my window write up with some photographs and additional information As you may know, I attempted to install my left side door window last week with somewhat disastrous results. As best I can tell, my shop was too hot (about 85 degrees) and the Weld-on 10 set up too quickly. The bond to the fiberglass was perfect, but I had voids between the window and the dried Weld-on 10 in over half of the bonding area. I had also failed to remove the masking tape from the inside of the window soon enough and had a fair amount of masking tape trapped by the Weld-on bead. In the picture below, the whiter area is where the window did not bond: This edge, though not perfect, is more like what the bond should look like: My initial thought was to try to save the window by injecting epoxy into the gaps (as some have done with apparent success), but after discussions with Vans, the window manufacturer and tech support by the makers of Weld-on 10, I decided to route out the window and start over. There are some things I learned from these discussions that are worth sharing. Vans was not willing to say that the injected epoxy approach would work and referred me to the window manufacturer, Jeff from Airplane Plastics in Ohio (937-669-2677). Jeff spent a good deal of time with me on the phone. He initially thought the injected epoxy idea might work and suggested I use Scotch Weld 2216 to accomplish the task. As we discussed the situation further, I was able to communicate that what we were really trying to do in this case was bond the window to the dried Weld-on 10... not the window to the fiberglass. He thought that could still work... as long as I could scuff up the Weld-on 10! So, I was back to square one. We started to discuss alternatives to Weld-on 10 for window installation. He confessed that it had been a long time since he had actually installed a window... then recollected that the windows would pop out during the structural roll over test on the RV-10 until Vans switched to Weld-on 10 to bond them in. With Weld-on 10, the window would break before the bond would. As I understood the conversation, Weld-on 10 was an important component of the plane passing the test. This made my decision to start over again certain. With that, Jeff suggested I route it out with an Onsrud carbide double flute 1/2" x 1/2" bit (I wound up using a similar bit I had in my router and it worked well), I said good bye and ponied up the $150 to Vans for another window. Here's what the door looked like after the window was routed out (but before I sanded it clean): I also made a call to tech support at IPS (877-202-0858 ext 3304), the makers of Weld-on 10, hoping to find another product that would stay open longer. Here's what I learned: Weld-on 10 stays open the longest of any product they have for this application At 70 degrees, there should be 15-20 minutes of time to get the job done (I had about 5 minutes at 85 degrees) Be certain you are using product less than one year from the manufacture date as the working time decreases with age Pot life will increase as temperature decreases. Though I have asked the question, to date, they have been unable to give me a temperature below which the product should not be used They do make a dispensing gun that mixes while dispensing for $300- $400. Weld-on 10 is packed in to a cartridge for this purpose and called Weld-on 811. I'm attaching the product bulletin for Weld-on 10. One rather tempting note they make is that you can apply Resin A to one surface and Resin B to the other to eliminate pot life issues all together... but you do wind up with an unspecified reduction in the strength of the bond. I've also combed through the archives and had I done that sooner might have avoided some of these problems. Both Lew Gallagher and John Gonzalez had very useful posts (hindsight is 20/20) in early January of this year. I'm going to wait until the fires in our local mountains have stopped burning and I'm able to keep the temperature in the shop at or below 70 degrees before I try again. I'll get a second set of hands to spread the Weld-on 10 more quickly and be sure to pull up the masking tape once the window is down securely. The gun seems a bit pricey. I did get a suggestion off line from Mike Andresen that I mix the Weld- on 10 in a zip lock bag, clip the corner and spread it that way. I believe that is the route I'll take when I try this again. Jeff Carpenter 40304 one step forward... two steps back ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 10:48:55 AM PST US From: "Lew Gallagher" Subject: Re: RV10-List: IO-540 Parts & Overhaul Manuals Hey Neal, I have the PDF owners manual that Tim sent me, but I had to buy the overhaul PDF off Ebay. I'd send it to you but it is too large a file to send via email -- my server won't take it. If someone has a ftp site, I would be glad to share it that way by sending a CD, but there may be copyright concerns. It is certainly more helpful than none, but it's not the workshop manuals I'm used to with cars. Later, - Lew ----- Original Message ----- From: Neal George To: rv-list@matronics.com ; rv10-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2009 10:31 AM Subject: RV10-List: IO-540 Parts & Overhaul Manuals Listers - I need to tear into an IO-540-C4B5. Does anybody have electronic versions of the Parts and Overhaul manuals? Neal E. George 2023 Everglades Drive Navarre, FL 32566 H - 850-515-0640 C - 850-218-4838 ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 10:54:18 AM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: Flaps From: Jesse Saint Robyn, I do the same, leaving the flaps down after landing and taxi back to hangar or tiedowns. I don't drop the flaps for take-off and climb just because I have forgotten to put them up in cruise before, so the little advantage that you get in climb is not worth the chance of forgetting to put them up in cruise. If I am short-fielding it, I put in more flaps to start with and hit the locking-up switch almost immediately after takeoff and accelerate in the climb. I usually leave them down even when tied down outside. Anybody else? Jesse Saint Saint Aviation, Inc. jesse@saintaviation.com Cell: 352-427-0285 Fax: 815-377-3694 On Sep 9, 2009, at 12:37 PM, Robin Marks wrote: > > Jessie, > I try to minimize the number of times I cycle to flaps by > leaving them down after landing and taxi back to my hangar. They stay > down till I power up for my next start where I hit the flap up toggle > while my PFD comes alive & I go through my start procedure. By the > time > my engine is primed the flaps are up and I am ready to crank the > engine. > I then put the 3 degrees in so as to not forget before take off. I > actually have several reminders on my check list to put the 3 > degrees in > as it is an easy thing to overlook. This procedure minimizes the > number > of times I cycle the flap motor and also keeps the flaps out of the > way > of control surface damaging visitors. > I follow this procedure because I have hangars at both ends of > my regular commute. I would have the flaps in the up position if/ > when I > have to leave the plane outdoors overnight. I also retract the flaps > anytime I an taxiing over surfaces with loose debris. > > Robin ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 11:23:15 AM PST US From: "Neal George" Subject: RE: RV10-List: IO-540 Parts & Overhaul Manuals Thanks Lew - Tim fixed me up. From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lew Gallagher Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2009 12:40 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: IO-540 Parts & Overhaul Manuals Hey Neal, I have the PDF owners manual that Tim sent me, but I had to buy the overhaul PDF off Ebay. I'd send it to you but it is too large a file to send via email -- my server won't take it. If someone has a ftp site, I would be glad to share it that way by sending a CD, but there may be copyright concerns. It is certainly more helpful than none, but it's not the workshop manuals I'm used to with cars. Later, - Lew ----- Original Message ----- From: Neal George Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2009 10:31 AM Subject: RV10-List: IO-540 Parts & Overhaul Manuals Listers - I need to tear into an IO-540-C4B5. Does anybody have electronic versions of the Parts and Overhaul manuals? Neal E. George 2023 Everglades Drive Navarre, FL 32566 H - 850-515-0640 C - 850-218-4838 href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List">http://www.matronics.com /Navigator?RV10-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 12:40:22 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: RV-10 Video From: "David Shelton" I just posted a new video of our modified RV-10 on youtube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7dpoSsKZ8T4 Please let me know what you think. -David Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=262312#262312 ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 01:14:27 PM PST US From: "John Jessen" Subject: RE: RV10-List: RV-10 Video Wayyyyyy cool. But does the -10 fly? -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David Shelton Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2009 12:39 PM Subject: RV10-List: RV-10 Video I just posted a new video of our modified RV-10 on youtube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7dpoSsKZ8T4 Please let me know what you think. -David Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=262312#262312 ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 01:23:23 PM PST US From: Miller John Subject: Re: RV10-List: Was: Door locks Mine are always down when parked. grumpy N184JM do not archive On Sep 9, 2009, at 9:07 AM, Jesse Saint wrote: > > This brings up another issue. Do most people leave their flaps down > when parked for ease of getting up and down without as much chance > of standing on the flap? We always leave our flaps down when on the > ground. > > do not archive > > Jesse Saint > Saint Aviation, Inc. > jesse@saintaviation.com > Cell: 352-427-0285 > Fax: 815-377-3694 > > On Sep 9, 2009, at 7:56 AM, AirMike wrote: > >> >> I put in the cheap - flimsy Van's lock. You only need it on one >> door - use a wedge or other restraint on the Passenger side door. >> The alarm is probably just as good of an idea. A decal indicating >> alarm protection might be as good as a lock. The lock is to send >> the thief to the plane parked next to yours. It is really a visual >> to keep the thief from climbing up on the wing and damaging your >> flap. >> >> Alway keep in mind the Van's philosophy of light and INEXPENSIVE.. >> Remember that you own a light and fast RV10 not a spam can that is >> essentially a pig with lipstick. >> >> -------- >> OSH '10 or Bust >> Q/B Kit - phase 1 > > ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 01:45:52 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: Was: Door locks From: "lbgjb10" Flaps full down when parked. Much less chance of damage and easier to get in and out. Normally taxi with no flaps, and take off with 1/2 flaps. (home base grass) Little AFS voice, 'check flaps' is helpful reminder to pull them up on cllimb. Acceleration is so quick that you quickly leave the white arc for flaps on climb so I do pull them up fairly quickly. I then climb with cruise +3 degrees. I wish flap down speed was higher--would allow for faster patterns with flaps--easier to slow down. larry -------- Larry and Gayle N104LG Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=262331#262331 ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 02:40:37 PM PST US From: Miller John Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Door locks Hate to send a pix on the net, but you can see both the cockpit door lock (small round key entry just aft of the regular door latch (for those inquiring minds, I fly from the right seat!). Baggage door latch is a 3 digit combination latch, no key required. Think it is made by Rockler or something similar. I'm not at home with the bird this week, but can provide more specifics on that lock off-line if somebody needs it. grumpy N184JM On Sep 9, 2009, at 10:05 AM, Bob Kaufmann wrote: > > Show us a photo > > Bob K > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Miller John > Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2009 7:08 AM > To: rv10-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Door locks > > > Get at any hardware store. > > I mounted it about center bottom of each door. Mount low enough so > that the arm can go down into the lower frame. > > Handle is free to move as normal, but door won't open with the latch > of the door into the frame. > > grumpy > N184JM > > do not archive > On Sep 9, 2009, at 8:32 AM, Rene Felker wrote: > >> >> That combo lock sounds like a great idea. Is it a drop in >> replacement? >> Where can I get one.... >> >> Rene' Felker >> RV-10 N423CF Flying >> 801-721-6080 >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com >> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Miller >> John >> Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2009 6:43 AM >> To: rv10-list@matronics.com >> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Door locks >> >> >> I used a simple trailer lock on both doors. Locking arm swings down >> into a cutout in the top of the lower door frame. >> >> Similar to the baggage door key, but I changed that one out and put a >> combo lock on it so I don't have to mess with a key every time I want >> to get into the baggage compartment. >> >> Grumpy >> N184JM >> >> do not archive >> >> On Sep 8, 2009, at 10:08 PM, David McNeill wrote: >> >>> >>> IIRC locks were not supplied or specified in the kit. It is roll >>> your own >>> time. I concur with the Blue mountain mess though. I am not >>> justifying Vans >>> simply stating that Vans omits that part of the kit. >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 03:25:40 PM PST US From: Robert Brunkenhoefer Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Door locks Thank you for your response. You seem genuinely concerned for matters of real concern to we rv 10 ers. I appreciate your helpful contributions. Robert Sent from my iPhone Robert E. Brunkenhoefer Brunkenhoefer Law Firm, P.C. 520 Lawrence St. Corpus Christi, Texas 78401 Phone: 361-888-8808 Facsimile: 361-888-6753 robert@brunklaw.com On Sep 8, 2009, at 10:08 PM, "David McNeill" wrote: > > IIRC locks were not supplied or specified in the kit. It is roll > your own > time. I concur with the Blue mountain mess though. I am not > justifying Vans > simply stating that Vans omits that part of the kit. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert > Brunkenhoefer > Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2009 5:23 PM > To: rv10-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Door locks > > --> > > I criticized how blue mountain treated it's customers about the > product they > sold me. Each time, a beta tester for blue mountain would go on > line and > respond in a way to imply it would work fine if I knew what I was > doing . > Not a good business model. We all know what happened to them. If > you supply > a product it should work under normal circumstances. There should be > no need > to rationalize that it's failure is somehow a good design idea . > Let's work > on the premise the a working lock is ok to expect . It needs no > rationale. > > Sent from my iPhone > > Robert E. Brunkenhoefer > Brunkenhoefer Law Firm, P.C. > 520 Lawrence St. > Corpus Christi, Texas 78401 > Phone: 361-888-8808 > Facsimile: 361-888-6753 > robert@brunklaw.com > > On Sep 8, 2009, at 6:22 PM, "David McNeill" wrote: > >> >> All locks are installed to make the thief go to check the next item >> of >> interest. I would rather the thief had an easy entry and did not >> damage the airframe while trying to get the avionics, etc. If you are >> concerned about the airframe I suggest lojack and possibly an audible >> alarm. Or perhaps airframe damage is preferred so that the thief will >> be reluctant to fly away the aircraft >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com >> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert >> Brunkenhoefer >> Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2009 3:45 PM >> To: rv10-list@matronics.com >> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Door locks >> >> --> >> >> I agree too bad vans can't furnish a decent lock for such an >> expensive >> kit. >> My lock does not work it probably got stripped too >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> Robert E. Brunkenhoefer >> Brunkenhoefer Law Firm, P.C. >> 520 Lawrence St. >> Corpus Christi, Texas 78401 >> Phone: 361-888-8808 >> Facsimile: 361-888-6753 >> robert@brunklaw.com >> >> On Sep 8, 2009, at 1:08 PM, "David Shelton" >> wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> Geoff, >>> >>> I just sold my RV-10 so I can't take a picture. In the locked >>> position, the locking arm swung downwards in front of the lower gear >>> rack. In theory... this would provide a stop and prevent the lower >>> gear rack from moving forwards. >>> >>> In practice, it only took a little force on the door handle to strip >>> the lock and open the door. My neighbor accidentally stripped his >>> lock also... it was mostly decorative. >>> >>> This type of lock should probably be mounted at the bottom of the >>> door and the arm should swing through a slot to engage the door >>> frame. >>> This >>> would subject the lock to shear loading, rather than rotation. - >>> David >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Read this topic online here: >>> >>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=262089#262089 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 04:39:51 PM PST US From: Robert Brunkenhoefer Subject: Re: RV10-List: IO-540 Parts & Overhaul Manuals I coud use them and the engine operating Manuel Sent from my iPhone Robert E. Brunkenhoefer Brunkenhoefer Law Firm, P.C. 520 Lawrence St. Corpus Christi, Texas 78401 Phone: 361-888-8808 Facsimile: 361-888-6753 robert@brunklaw.com On Sep 9, 2009, at 9:31 AM, "Neal George" wrote: > Listers =93 > > I need to tear into an IO-540-C4B5. > > Does anybody have electronic versions of the Parts and Overhaul > manuals? > > > Neal E. George > > 2023 Everglades Drive > > Navarre, FL 32566 > > H - 850-515-0640 > > C - 850-218-4838 > > ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 04:39:51 PM PST US From: Robert Brunkenhoefer Subject: Re: RV10-List: Was: Door locks I always leave my flaps down. Sent from my iPhone Robert E. Brunkenhoefer Brunkenhoefer Law Firm, P.C. 520 Lawrence St. Corpus Christi, Texas 78401 Phone: 361-888-8808 Facsimile: 361-888-6753 robert@brunklaw.com On Sep 9, 2009, at 9:07 AM, Jesse Saint wrote: > > This brings up another issue. Do most people leave their flaps down > when parked for ease of getting up and down without as much chance > of standing on the flap? We always leave our flaps down when on the > ground. > > do not archive > > Jesse Saint > Saint Aviation, Inc. > jesse@saintaviation.com > Cell: 352-427-0285 > Fax: 815-377-3694 > > On Sep 9, 2009, at 7:56 AM, AirMike wrote: > >> >> I put in the cheap - flimsy Van's lock. You only need it on one >> door - use a wedge or other restraint on the Passenger side door. >> The alarm is probably just as good of an idea. A decal indicating >> alarm protection might be as good as a lock. The lock is to send >> the thief to the plane parked next to yours. It is really a visual >> to keep the thief from climbing up on the wing and damaging your >> flap. >> >> Alway keep in mind the Van's philosophy of light and INEXPENSIVE.. >> Remember that you own a light and fast RV10 not a spam can that is >> essentially a pig with lipstick. >> >> -------- >> OSH '10 or Bust >> Q/B Kit - phase 1 > > ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 04:56:24 PM PST US From: Bill DeRouchey Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Door locks After getting my RV-10 flying I noodled over many door lock designs-- mos tly of the complex variety. Next I backed away from the complex and started over with the big simple approach. - I built a-prototype-solution with the thought of testing it out and imp roving it later. After 2.5 years there has been-no reason to make improve ments except for aesthetics and ease of manufacturing. - I am not presenting this as a-solution for everyone but it works well for me. - Bill DeRouchey N939SB - --- On Tue, 9/8/09, David McNeill wrote: From: David McNeill Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Door locks IIRC locks were not supplied or specified in the kit. It is roll your own time. I concur with the Blue mountain mess though. I am not justifying Vans simply stating that Vans omits that part of the kit. -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert Brunkenhoefer Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2009 5:23 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Door locks --> I criticized how blue mountain treated it's customers about the product the y sold me.- Each time, a beta tester for blue mountain would go on line and respond in a way to imply it would work fine if I knew what I was doing . Not a good business model.- We all know what happened to them. If you sup ply a product it should work under normal circumstances. There should be no nee d to rationalize that it's failure is somehow a good design idea . Let's work on the premise the a working lock is ok to expect . It needs no rationale. Sent from my iPhone Robert E. Brunkenhoefer Brunkenhoefer Law Firm, P.C. 520 Lawrence St. Corpus Christi, Texas 78401 Phone: 361-888-8808 Facsimile: 361-888-6753 robert@brunklaw.com On Sep 8, 2009, at 6:22 PM, "David McNeill" wrote: > > All locks are installed to make the thief go to check the next item of > interest. I would rather the thief had an easy entry and did not > damage the airframe while trying to get the avionics, etc. If you are > concerned about the airframe I suggest lojack and possibly an audible > alarm. Or perhaps airframe damage is preferred so that the thief will > be reluctant to fly away the aircraft > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert > Brunkenhoefer > Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2009 3:45 PM > To: rv10-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Door locks > > --> > > I agree too bad vans can't furnish a decent lock for such an expensive > kit. > My lock does not work it probably got stripped too > > Sent from my iPhone > > Robert E. Brunkenhoefer > Brunkenhoefer Law Firm, P.C. > 520 Lawrence St. > Corpus Christi, Texas 78401 > Phone: 361-888-8808 > Facsimile: 361-888-6753 > robert@brunklaw.com > > On Sep 8, 2009, at 1:08 PM, "David Shelton" > wrote: > >> >> >> Geoff, >> >> I just sold my RV-10 so I can't take a picture. In the locked >> position, the locking arm swung downwards in front of the lower gear >> rack. In theory... this would provide a stop and prevent the lower >> gear rack from moving forwards. >> >> In practice, it only took a little force on the door handle to strip >> the lock and open the door. My neighbor accidentally stripped his >> lock also... it was mostly decorative. >> >> This type of lock should probably be mounted at the bottom of the >> door and the arm should swing through a slot to engage the door >> frame. >> This >> would subject the lock to shear loading, rather than rotation. -David >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=262089#262089 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > le, List Admin. ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 06:55:42 PM PST US From: Bill DeRouchey Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: New garmin traffic system was announced Of course there could be a "seeing" issue if the location of the two antenn as-is such that the transmitter of one will swamp the receiver of the oth er. This situation can arise even if the frequencies are different. - We need to review the installation requirements of all components and anten nas relative to one another before cutting precious holes in our fuselage. - Bill DeRouchey N939SB - - --- On Tue, 9/8/09, William Curtis wrote: From: William Curtis Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: New garmin traffic system was announced The Navworx product is a UAT product and uses a frequency of 978 Mhz.- Th is is different than the frequency used by Mode C or S transponders (1090 M hz).- There should be not "seeing" issue between UAT and the transponder antenna. - Top antenna is GPS antenna and bottom antenna is UAT antenna to communicate with ground stations and other aircraft. - William http://wcurtis.nerv10.com/ On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 9:13 PM, David McNeill wrote: The two antennas required I believe are the GPS and the fin DME/transponder antenna My understanding was that the extra DME antenna was for top/bottom coverage. As a former MRX user and Zaon XRX tester; I found that sometimes the transponder antennas on the bottom of an aircraft prevented the system from "seeing" the traffic -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of johngoodman Sent: Monday, September 07, 2009 5:54 PM Subject: RV10-List: Re: New garmin traffic system was announced --> I spoke to the NavWorx guys at Sun 'n fun, and got the impression that two antennas are required. I have gotten conflicting answers on where they need to be. I've heard one on top & one on bottom, and I've heard two on bottom. The shark fin is supposedly specified only because it can work in the upper "DME" range, but so can a lot of dipole "sticks." I'd really like to see a flat-out answer. John -------- #40572 QB Fuselage, wings finished. Finish Kit progressing. Engine & Panel delivery soon. N711JG reserved Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=261957#261=== Browse, Chat, FAQ, ="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List" target="_blank">http:// === http://forums.mle, List Admin. ==== ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 07:03:34 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: RV-10 Video From: "David Shelton" Thanks. Yes, it flies every weekend. There's no impact on trim or handling and the effect on cruise is under 9 knots. 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