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1. 06:03 AM - Re: Info and Question on Van's FWF Kit (including hoses) (tsts4)
2. 06:17 AM - Re: IO-540 Parts & Overhaul Manuals (Lew Gallagher)
3. 07:54 AM - Re: Re: Info and Question on Van's FWF Kit (including hoses) (Kelly McMullen)
4. 08:20 AM - Re: Re: Info and Question on Van's FWF Kit (including hoses) (David McNeill)
5. 09:50 AM - Re: Re: Info and Question on Van's FWF Kit (including hoses) (Miller John)
6. 10:43 AM - Re: Re: Info and Question on Van's FWF Kit (including hoses) (David McNeill)
7. 10:43 AM - Engine fire prevention (David McNeill)
8. 10:55 AM - Re: Engine fire prevention (Miller John)
9. 11:08 AM - Re: Re: Info and Question on Van's FWF Kit (including hoses) (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
10. 11:25 AM - Re: Re: Info and Question on Van's FWF Kit (including hoses) (Miller John)
11. 12:35 PM - Re: Re: Info and Question on Van's FWF Kit (including hoses) (Pascal)
12. 12:57 PM - Re: Re: Info and Question on Van's FWF Kit (including hoses) (David McNeill)
13. 01:28 PM - Re: Re: Info and Question on Van's FWF Kit (including hoses) (John Cumins)
14. 03:39 PM - Las Vegas Trip (partner14)
15. 04:12 PM - Re: Las Vegas Trip (William Souza)
16. 04:12 PM - Wiring diagram for Slick Start with 2 Slick Mags (Bill Mauledriver Watson)
17. 04:24 PM - Re: Las Vegas Trip (Rene Felker)
18. 04:32 PM - Re: Wiring diagram for Slick Start with 2 Slick Mags (Rene Felker)
19. 04:42 PM - Re: Las Vegas Trip (ricksked@embarqmail.com)
20. 05:06 PM - Re: Las Vegas Trip (Eric_Kallio)
21. 05:54 PM - Re: Re: Las Vegas Trip (ricksked@embarqmail.com)
22. 07:13 PM - Attaching door pins (Les Kearney)
23. 08:56 PM - Re: Las Vegas Trip (Don McDonald)
24. 09:18 PM - Re: Wiring diagram for Slick Start with 2 Slick Mags (Dave Saylor)
25. 09:18 PM - Re: Wiring diagram for Slick Start with 2 Slick Mags (Bill Mauledriver Watson)
26. 10:43 PM - Re: Attaching door pins (AirMike)
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| Subject: | Re: Info and Question on Van's FWF Kit (including hoses) |
Just to play devil's advocate, what if you can't shut the fuel off--you're knocked
out or something. Hypothetically, having maximum protection FWF might buy
you or some bystander time to extract you from the cabin before getting cooked.
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Todd Stovall
728TT (reserved)
RV-10 Empacone
Read this topic online here:
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| Subject: | Re: IO-540 Parts & Overhaul Manuals |
----- Original Message -----
From: Neal George
To: rv-list@matronics.com ; rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2009 10:31 AM
Subject: RV10-List: IO-540 Parts & Overhaul Manuals
Listers -
I need to tear into an IO-540-C4B5.
Does anybody have electronic versions of the Parts and Overhaul
manuals?
Neal E. George
2023 Everglades Drive
Navarre, FL 32566
H - 850-515-0640
C - 850-218-4838
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| Subject: | Re: Info and Question on Van's FWF Kit (including hoses) |
"The fire should go out without fuel." Do you want to bet your life and your
passenger's lives on that statement? Once a fire is started, with 200mph
oxygen feed, putting it out isn't a simple matter.
Why would you not build in the best fire protection available at reasonable
cost with no extra weight or complexity? Stainless heater valve and integral
fire sleeve hoses seem like a no brainer. If $300 extra cost for those two
items combined are a budget buster...maybe avionics budget or something else
needs readjusting. IMHO it is about as smart to leave those items out as
leaving out shoulder harness.
On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 7:28 PM, johngoodman <johngoodman@earthlink.net>wrote:
>
> Am I missing something? Just cut off the fuel. The fire should go out
> without fuel.
> John
>
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> #40572 QB Fuselage, wings finished. Finish Kit progressing. Engine &
> Panel delivery soon.
> N711JG reserved
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| Subject: | Re: Info and Question on Van's FWF Kit (including hoses) |
If the fuel cannot be shutoff then the fire is already in the tunnel. An
Andair fuel selector turned off should stop feeding the flames and a fire
bottle ought to cool everything ; without oxygen the fire should be
suppressed. Race cars are required to have fire suppression systems and are
more susceptible to fires than our aircraft. In addition Part 21 aircraft
are required to have fire detection and fire suppression systems. Check the
Boeings. My A&P course had an extensive class on fire detection/fire
suppression systems for Part 21 aircraft. My Glastar has a temperature
sensor in the Carburetor box and inlet spray and a spray nozzle over the
cylinders. The 10 has a sprayer on top of the cylinders and another between
the firewall and the rear baffling.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of tsts4
Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 6:02 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: Info and Question on Van's FWF Kit (including hoses)
Just to play devil's advocate, what if you can't shut the fuel off--you're
knocked out or something. Hypothetically, having maximum protection FWF
might buy you or some bystander time to extract you from the cabin before
getting cooked.
--------
Todd Stovall
728TT (reserved)
RV-10 Empacone
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=262565#262565
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| Subject: | Re: Info and Question on Van's FWF Kit (including hoses) |
Another alternative is a small, spring loaded door in the top of the
tunnel just forward of the fuel valve.
Poke the nozzle of on-board extinguisher through the opening and let
'er rip.
$64 question is whether or not to use halon or the standard gasoline
ABC extinguisher.
Halon will kill you dead as a door nail if you breathe it.
grumpy
do not archive
On Sep 11, 2009, at 9:52 AM, David McNeill wrote:
>
> If the fuel cannot be shutoff then the fire is already in the
> tunnel. An
> Andair fuel selector turned off should stop feeding the flames and a
> fire
> bottle ought to cool everything ; without oxygen the fire should be
> suppressed. Race cars are required to have fire suppression systems
> and are
> more susceptible to fires than our aircraft. In addition Part 21
> aircraft
> are required to have fire detection and fire suppression systems.
> Check the
> Boeings. My A&P course had an extensive class on fire detection/fire
> suppression systems for Part 21 aircraft. My Glastar has a temperature
> sensor in the Carburetor box and inlet spray and a spray nozzle over
> the
> cylinders. The 10 has a sprayer on top of the cylinders and another
> between
> the firewall and the rear baffling.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of tsts4
> Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 6:02 AM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV10-List: Re: Info and Question on Van's FWF Kit
> (including hoses)
>
>
> Just to play devil's advocate, what if you can't shut the fuel off--
> you're
> knocked out or something. Hypothetically, having maximum protection
> FWF
> might buy you or some bystander time to extract you from the cabin
> before
> getting cooked.
>
> --------
> Todd Stovall
> 728TT (reserved)
> RV-10 Empacone
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=262565#262565
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Info and Question on Van's FWF Kit (including hoses) |
Mine is Halon but the gas goes forward of the firewall. You definetly do not
want to discharge Halon in the cabin without a lot of air flow in and out.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Miller John
Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 9:47 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Info and Question on Van's FWF Kit (including
hoses)
Another alternative is a small, spring loaded door in the top of the tunnel
just forward of the fuel valve.
Poke the nozzle of on-board extinguisher through the opening and let 'er
rip.
$64 question is whether or not to use halon or the standard gasoline ABC
extinguisher.
Halon will kill you dead as a door nail if you breathe it.
grumpy
do not archive
On Sep 11, 2009, at 9:52 AM, David McNeill wrote:
>
> If the fuel cannot be shutoff then the fire is already in the tunnel.
> An Andair fuel selector turned off should stop feeding the flames and
> a fire bottle ought to cool everything ; without oxygen the fire
> should be suppressed. Race cars are required to have fire suppression
> systems and are more susceptible to fires than our aircraft. In
> addition Part 21 aircraft are required to have fire detection and fire
> suppression systems.
> Check the
> Boeings. My A&P course had an extensive class on fire detection/fire
> suppression systems for Part 21 aircraft. My Glastar has a temperature
> sensor in the Carburetor box and inlet spray and a spray nozzle over
> the cylinders. The 10 has a sprayer on top of the cylinders and
> another between the firewall and the rear baffling.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of tsts4
> Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 6:02 AM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV10-List: Re: Info and Question on Van's FWF Kit (including
> hoses)
>
>
> Just to play devil's advocate, what if you can't shut the fuel off--
> you're knocked out or something. Hypothetically, having maximum
> protection FWF might buy you or some bystander time to extract you
> from the cabin before getting cooked.
>
> --------
> Todd Stovall
> 728TT (reserved)
> RV-10 Empacone
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=262565#262565
>
>
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| Subject: | Engine fire prevention |
Halon also leaves no residue. Cleanup effort after blowing the bottle will
be minimal. If the temperature sensor in my Glastar carb indicates rapidly
rising temp (probably on a start) a carb fire would be suspected. After
blowing the bottle and extinguishing everything under the cowl, repairs
don't require cleaning the entire engine. We had a C177 FG burned to a crisp
after a failed start on the ramp at Chandler about two weeks ago. NTSB has
not said anything but I aim betting on a carb fire from too much prime or a
fuel leak around the carb area.
Check
http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2009/08/25/20090825cr-planefire0825.h
tml
-----Original Message-----
From: David McNeill [mailto:dlm46007@cox.net]
Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 10:06 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Info and Question on Van's FWF Kit (including
hoses)
Mine is Halon but the gas goes forward of the firewall. You definetly do not
want to discharge Halon in the cabin without a lot of air flow in and out.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Miller John
Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 9:47 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Info and Question on Van's FWF Kit (including
hoses)
Another alternative is a small, spring loaded door in the top of the tunnel
just forward of the fuel valve.
Poke the nozzle of on-board extinguisher through the opening and let 'er
rip.
$64 question is whether or not to use halon or the standard gasoline ABC
extinguisher.
Halon will kill you dead as a door nail if you breathe it.
grumpy
do not archive
On Sep 11, 2009, at 9:52 AM, David McNeill wrote:
>
> If the fuel cannot be shutoff then the fire is already in the tunnel.
> An Andair fuel selector turned off should stop feeding the flames and
> a fire bottle ought to cool everything ; without oxygen the fire
> should be suppressed. Race cars are required to have fire suppression
> systems and are more susceptible to fires than our aircraft. In
> addition Part 21 aircraft are required to have fire detection and fire
> suppression systems.
> Check the
> Boeings. My A&P course had an extensive class on fire detection/fire
> suppression systems for Part 21 aircraft. My Glastar has a temperature
> sensor in the Carburetor box and inlet spray and a spray nozzle over
> the cylinders. The 10 has a sprayer on top of the cylinders and
> another between the firewall and the rear baffling.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of tsts4
> Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 6:02 AM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV10-List: Re: Info and Question on Van's FWF Kit (including
> hoses)
>
>
> Just to play devil's advocate, what if you can't shut the fuel off--
> you're knocked out or something. Hypothetically, having maximum
> protection FWF might buy you or some bystander time to extract you
> from the cabin before getting cooked.
>
> --------
> Todd Stovall
> 728TT (reserved)
> RV-10 Empacone
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=262565#262565
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Engine fire prevention |
Ouch!
What kind of setup do you have for under the cowl?
On Sep 11, 2009, at 12:19 PM, David McNeill wrote:
>
> Halon also leaves no residue. Cleanup effort after blowing the
> bottle will
> be minimal. If the temperature sensor in my Glastar carb indicates
> rapidly
> rising temp (probably on a start) a carb fire would be suspected.
> After
> blowing the bottle and extinguishing everything under the cowl,
> repairs
> don't require cleaning the entire engine. We had a C177 FG burned to
> a crisp
> after a failed start on the ramp at Chandler about two weeks ago.
> NTSB has
> not said anything but I aim betting on a carb fire from too much
> prime or a
> fuel leak around the carb area.
>
>
> Check
> http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2009/08/25/20090825cr-planefire0825.h
> tml
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: David McNeill [mailto:dlm46007@cox.net]
> Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 10:06 AM
> To: 'rv10-list@matronics.com'
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Info and Question on Van's FWF Kit
> (including
> hoses)
>
> Mine is Halon but the gas goes forward of the firewall. You
> definetly do not
> want to discharge Halon in the cabin without a lot of air flow in
> and out.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Miller John
> Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 9:47 AM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Info and Question on Van's FWF Kit
> (including
> hoses)
>
>
> Another alternative is a small, spring loaded door in the top of the
> tunnel
> just forward of the fuel valve.
>
> Poke the nozzle of on-board extinguisher through the opening and let
> 'er
> rip.
>
> $64 question is whether or not to use halon or the standard gasoline
> ABC
> extinguisher.
>
> Halon will kill you dead as a door nail if you breathe it.
>
> grumpy
>
> do not archive
>
> On Sep 11, 2009, at 9:52 AM, David McNeill wrote:
>
>>
>> If the fuel cannot be shutoff then the fire is already in the tunnel.
>> An Andair fuel selector turned off should stop feeding the flames and
>> a fire bottle ought to cool everything ; without oxygen the fire
>> should be suppressed. Race cars are required to have fire suppression
>> systems and are more susceptible to fires than our aircraft. In
>> addition Part 21 aircraft are required to have fire detection and
>> fire
>> suppression systems.
>> Check the
>> Boeings. My A&P course had an extensive class on fire detection/fire
>> suppression systems for Part 21 aircraft. My Glastar has a
>> temperature
>> sensor in the Carburetor box and inlet spray and a spray nozzle over
>> the cylinders. The 10 has a sprayer on top of the cylinders and
>> another between the firewall and the rear baffling.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of tsts4
>> Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 6:02 AM
>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: RV10-List: Re: Info and Question on Van's FWF Kit (including
>> hoses)
>>
>>
>> Just to play devil's advocate, what if you can't shut the fuel off--
>> you're knocked out or something. Hypothetically, having maximum
>> protection FWF might buy you or some bystander time to extract you
>> from the cabin before getting cooked.
>>
>> --------
>> Todd Stovall
>> 728TT (reserved)
>> RV-10 Empacone
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=262565#262565
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Info and Question on Van's FWF Kit (including hoses) |
Halon itself won't kill you (baring wrapping your lips around the nozzle) and
the type we use is generally very low in toxicity, what it will do is displace
the O2 in the cabin to a point where it can be dangerously low.
Michael
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Miller John
Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 11:47 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Info and Question on Van's FWF Kit (including hoses)
Another alternative is a small, spring loaded door in the top of the
tunnel just forward of the fuel valve.
Poke the nozzle of on-board extinguisher through the opening and let
'er rip.
$64 question is whether or not to use halon or the standard gasoline
ABC extinguisher.
Halon will kill you dead as a door nail if you breathe it.
grumpy
do not archive
On Sep 11, 2009, at 9:52 AM, David McNeill wrote:
>
> If the fuel cannot be shutoff then the fire is already in the
> tunnel. An
> Andair fuel selector turned off should stop feeding the flames and a
> fire
> bottle ought to cool everything ; without oxygen the fire should be
> suppressed. Race cars are required to have fire suppression systems
> and are
> more susceptible to fires than our aircraft. In addition Part 21
> aircraft
> are required to have fire detection and fire suppression systems.
> Check the
> Boeings. My A&P course had an extensive class on fire detection/fire
> suppression systems for Part 21 aircraft. My Glastar has a temperature
> sensor in the Carburetor box and inlet spray and a spray nozzle over
> the
> cylinders. The 10 has a sprayer on top of the cylinders and another
> between
> the firewall and the rear baffling.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of tsts4
> Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 6:02 AM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV10-List: Re: Info and Question on Van's FWF Kit
> (including hoses)
>
>
> Just to play devil's advocate, what if you can't shut the fuel off--
> you're
> knocked out or something. Hypothetically, having maximum protection
> FWF
> might buy you or some bystander time to extract you from the cabin
> before
> getting cooked.
>
> --------
> Todd Stovall
> 728TT (reserved)
> RV-10 Empacone
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=262565#262565
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Info and Question on Van's FWF Kit (including hoses) |
It will kill you if you breath it as it displaces oxygen in the lungs
and you cannot get it out of the lungs, even with CPR.
You suffocate to death.
grumpy
On Sep 11, 2009, at 12:55 PM, RV Builder (Michael Sausen) wrote:
> >
>
> Halon itself won't kill you (baring wrapping your lips around the
> nozzle) and the type we use is generally very low in toxicity, what
> it will do is displace the O2 in the cabin to a point where it can
> be dangerously low.
>
> Michael
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> ] On Behalf Of Miller John
> Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 11:47 AM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Info and Question on Van's FWF Kit
> (including hoses)
>
>
> Another alternative is a small, spring loaded door in the top of the
> tunnel just forward of the fuel valve.
>
> Poke the nozzle of on-board extinguisher through the opening and let
> 'er rip.
>
> $64 question is whether or not to use halon or the standard gasoline
> ABC extinguisher.
>
> Halon will kill you dead as a door nail if you breathe it.
>
> grumpy
>
> do not archive
>
> On Sep 11, 2009, at 9:52 AM, David McNeill wrote:
>
>>
>> If the fuel cannot be shutoff then the fire is already in the
>> tunnel. An
>> Andair fuel selector turned off should stop feeding the flames and a
>> fire
>> bottle ought to cool everything ; without oxygen the fire should be
>> suppressed. Race cars are required to have fire suppression systems
>> and are
>> more susceptible to fires than our aircraft. In addition Part 21
>> aircraft
>> are required to have fire detection and fire suppression systems.
>> Check the
>> Boeings. My A&P course had an extensive class on fire detection/fire
>> suppression systems for Part 21 aircraft. My Glastar has a
>> temperature
>> sensor in the Carburetor box and inlet spray and a spray nozzle over
>> the
>> cylinders. The 10 has a sprayer on top of the cylinders and another
>> between
>> the firewall and the rear baffling.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of tsts4
>> Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 6:02 AM
>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: RV10-List: Re: Info and Question on Van's FWF Kit
>> (including hoses)
>>
>>
>> Just to play devil's advocate, what if you can't shut the fuel off--
>> you're
>> knocked out or something. Hypothetically, having maximum protection
>> FWF
>> might buy you or some bystander time to extract you from the cabin
>> before
>> getting cooked.
>>
>> --------
>> Todd Stovall
>> 728TT (reserved)
>> RV-10 Empacone
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=262565#262565
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Info and Question on Van's FWF Kit (including hoses) |
Aviation consumer news did a report on this. Basically Halon is your best
option. ABC extinguisher will ultimately cause more damage than Halon.
They note about inhaling Halon- "The FAA notes- The toxic effects of a
typical aircraft seat fire, for example, far outweigh the potential toxic
effects of discharging a Halon fire extinquisher". I take away two things
from this- don't allow smoking in the plane, and if the seat is on fire to
care what Halon will do.. all joking aside.. the point really is that one
wants to keep the fire out of the cabin, smoke alone will do far more than
anything the Halon could do.. one can spray a little on a smaller fire and
use vents to get air, but with smoke from a fire there is no only inhaling a
little bit. This goes back to my seconding that having Stainless steel for
a vent is a great option. If the fire goes through the weakest link, SS vent
or RTV than the smoke will hit you probably before any fire, but if you have
a cheap aluminum vent the fire may very well start coming in and burning
everything on the cabin side than cause lots of smoke- "everything" since
the vents go forward and back in the cabin.
There really isn't any great option when one has a fire, but it sure helps
to keep any openings sealed as best as possible. There is the discussion
about "must have" firesleeves on the hoses that runs another $200 plus above
the stock Van's hoses, if one is going to go to that extent, spend the $100
and do your best to keep the fire out a few seconds more.. it really could
be the difference between you talking about it or everyone else talking
about it in your memory..
So what did ACS say about the Halon? since that was the question- basically
ABC (dry-chemical) have too much to be desired among the issues-
vision-limiting and respiratory effects.
They conclude with "on a really bad day you have one, however, you'll want
to reach for a Halon extinquisher while aiming for the nearest runway."
Referenced December 2008 edition.
Pascal
--------------------------------------------------
From: "Miller John" <gengrumpy@aol.com>
Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 9:47 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Info and Question on Van's FWF Kit (including
hoses)
>
> Another alternative is a small, spring loaded door in the top of the
> tunnel just forward of the fuel valve.
>
> Poke the nozzle of on-board extinguisher through the opening and let 'er
> rip.
>
> $64 question is whether or not to use halon or the standard gasoline ABC
> extinguisher.
>
> Halon will kill you dead as a door nail if you breathe it.
>
> grumpy
>
> do not archive
>
> On Sep 11, 2009, at 9:52 AM, David McNeill wrote:
>
>>
>> If the fuel cannot be shutoff then the fire is already in the tunnel. An
>> Andair fuel selector turned off should stop feeding the flames and a
>> fire
>> bottle ought to cool everything ; without oxygen the fire should be
>> suppressed. Race cars are required to have fire suppression systems and
>> are
>> more susceptible to fires than our aircraft. In addition Part 21
>> aircraft
>> are required to have fire detection and fire suppression systems. Check
>> the
>> Boeings. My A&P course had an extensive class on fire detection/fire
>> suppression systems for Part 21 aircraft. My Glastar has a temperature
>> sensor in the Carburetor box and inlet spray and a spray nozzle over the
>> cylinders. The 10 has a sprayer on top of the cylinders and another
>> between
>> the firewall and the rear baffling.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of tsts4
>> Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 6:02 AM
>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: RV10-List: Re: Info and Question on Van's FWF Kit (including
>> hoses)
>>
>>
>> Just to play devil's advocate, what if you can't shut the fuel off--
>> you're
>> knocked out or something. Hypothetically, having maximum protection FWF
>> might buy you or some bystander time to extract you from the cabin
>> before
>> getting cooked.
>>
>> --------
>> Todd Stovall
>> 728TT (reserved)
>> RV-10 Empacone
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=262565#262565
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Info and Question on Van's FWF Kit (including hoses) |
I also carry a couple of disposable smoke hoods in addition the fire bottle;
I don't know whether I would be able to deploy them in time. My plan was to
be so prepared that the occasion to use would not arise.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Pascal
Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 12:33 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Info and Question on Van's FWF Kit (including
hoses)
Aviation consumer news did a report on this. Basically Halon is your best
option. ABC extinguisher will ultimately cause more damage than Halon.
They note about inhaling Halon- "The FAA notes- The toxic effects of a
typical aircraft seat fire, for example, far outweigh the potential toxic
effects of discharging a Halon fire extinquisher". I take away two things
from this- don't allow smoking in the plane, and if the seat is on fire to
care what Halon will do.. all joking aside.. the point really is that one
wants to keep the fire out of the cabin, smoke alone will do far more than
anything the Halon could do.. one can spray a little on a smaller fire and
use vents to get air, but with smoke from a fire there is no only inhaling a
little bit. This goes back to my seconding that having Stainless steel for
a vent is a great option. If the fire goes through the weakest link, SS vent
or RTV than the smoke will hit you probably before any fire, but if you have
a cheap aluminum vent the fire may very well start coming in and burning
everything on the cabin side than cause lots of smoke- "everything" since
the vents go forward and back in the cabin.
There really isn't any great option when one has a fire, but it sure helps
to keep any openings sealed as best as possible. There is the discussion
about "must have" firesleeves on the hoses that runs another $200 plus above
the stock Van's hoses, if one is going to go to that extent, spend the $100
and do your best to keep the fire out a few seconds more.. it really could
be the difference between you talking about it or everyone else talking
about it in your memory..
So what did ACS say about the Halon? since that was the question- basically
ABC (dry-chemical) have too much to be desired among the issues-
vision-limiting and respiratory effects.
They conclude with "on a really bad day you have one, however, you'll want
to reach for a Halon extinquisher while aiming for the nearest runway."
Referenced December 2008 edition.
Pascal
--------------------------------------------------
From: "Miller John" <gengrumpy@aol.com>
Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 9:47 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Info and Question on Van's FWF Kit (including
hoses)
>
> Another alternative is a small, spring loaded door in the top of the
> tunnel just forward of the fuel valve.
>
> Poke the nozzle of on-board extinguisher through the opening and let
> 'er rip.
>
> $64 question is whether or not to use halon or the standard gasoline
> ABC extinguisher.
>
> Halon will kill you dead as a door nail if you breathe it.
>
> grumpy
>
> do not archive
>
> On Sep 11, 2009, at 9:52 AM, David McNeill wrote:
>
>>
>> If the fuel cannot be shutoff then the fire is already in the
>> tunnel. An Andair fuel selector turned off should stop feeding the
>> flames and a fire bottle ought to cool everything ; without oxygen
>> the fire should be suppressed. Race cars are required to have fire
>> suppression systems and are more susceptible to fires than our
>> aircraft. In addition Part 21 aircraft are required to have fire
>> detection and fire suppression systems. Check the Boeings. My A&P
>> course had an extensive class on fire detection/fire suppression
>> systems for Part 21 aircraft. My Glastar has a temperature sensor in
>> the Carburetor box and inlet spray and a spray nozzle over the
>> cylinders. The 10 has a sprayer on top of the cylinders and another
>> between the firewall and the rear baffling.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of tsts4
>> Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 6:02 AM
>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: RV10-List: Re: Info and Question on Van's FWF Kit
>> (including
>> hoses)
>>
>>
>> Just to play devil's advocate, what if you can't shut the fuel off--
>> you're knocked out or something. Hypothetically, having maximum
>> protection FWF might buy you or some bystander time to extract you
>> from the cabin before getting cooked.
>>
>> --------
>> Todd Stovall
>> 728TT (reserved)
>> RV-10 Empacone
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=262565#262565
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Info and Question on Van's FWF Kit (including hoses) |
With over 5k hours and 13 years flying on the USAF largest cargo plane as a
flight engineer. I am very familure and trained on the Halon fire
extinguisher systems. The C-5 had 24 fire bottles of halon in the cargo
compartment. 2 very large 150 lb portable extinguishers in the cargo
compartment and 14 5 lb portable bottles throughout the plane also. Halon
is one of the best fire fighting products available and is totally
survivable by the person fighting the fire. It will not kill you unless you
directly inhale it straight from the extinguisher. I have had a in-flight
fire none night about 3am over the gulf next to Patia Beach Thailand. A
light assembly in the flight engineer panel electrical connector started to
melt the caught fire. So we blasted it with both the large extinguishers
from the cargo compartment. Not knowing what was burning, we thought to
error on the large side and use both extinguishers and the large ones. We
lowered the flight engineer insterment panel down and blasted. Once the
smoke cleared we felt a bit surprised to see it was a very small fire, but
it put out a tone of very black smoke. The cooling fan for the Engineer
panel exits into the cargo compartment and it filled it with black smoke in
minutes. Boy was that a fun night. We dumped 200,000 lbs of jet fuel in
the bay and landed back at Utapow AB replaced the light assembly, refueled
and departed for Saudi.
If I was to install a extinguishing system in my -10 it would be a Halon
system, no questions asked.
Just my 2 cents work and a war story.
John G. Cumins
President
JC'S Interactive Systems
2499 B1 Martin Rd
Fairfield Ca 94533
707-425-7100
707-425-7576 Fax
Your Total Technology Solution Provider
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Pascal
Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 12:33 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Info and Question on Van's FWF Kit (including
hoses)
Aviation consumer news did a report on this. Basically Halon is your best
option. ABC extinguisher will ultimately cause more damage than Halon.
They note about inhaling Halon- "The FAA notes- The toxic effects of a
typical aircraft seat fire, for example, far outweigh the potential toxic
effects of discharging a Halon fire extinquisher". I take away two things
from this- don't allow smoking in the plane, and if the seat is on fire to
care what Halon will do.. all joking aside.. the point really is that one
wants to keep the fire out of the cabin, smoke alone will do far more than
anything the Halon could do.. one can spray a little on a smaller fire and
use vents to get air, but with smoke from a fire there is no only inhaling a
little bit. This goes back to my seconding that having Stainless steel for
a vent is a great option. If the fire goes through the weakest link, SS vent
or RTV than the smoke will hit you probably before any fire, but if you have
a cheap aluminum vent the fire may very well start coming in and burning
everything on the cabin side than cause lots of smoke- "everything" since
the vents go forward and back in the cabin.
There really isn't any great option when one has a fire, but it sure helps
to keep any openings sealed as best as possible. There is the discussion
about "must have" firesleeves on the hoses that runs another $200 plus above
the stock Van's hoses, if one is going to go to that extent, spend the $100
and do your best to keep the fire out a few seconds more.. it really could
be the difference between you talking about it or everyone else talking
about it in your memory..
So what did ACS say about the Halon? since that was the question- basically
ABC (dry-chemical) have too much to be desired among the issues-
vision-limiting and respiratory effects.
They conclude with "on a really bad day you have one, however, you'll want
to reach for a Halon extinquisher while aiming for the nearest runway."
Referenced December 2008 edition.
Pascal
--------------------------------------------------
From: "Miller John" <gengrumpy@aol.com>
Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 9:47 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Info and Question on Van's FWF Kit (including
hoses)
>
> Another alternative is a small, spring loaded door in the top of the
> tunnel just forward of the fuel valve.
>
> Poke the nozzle of on-board extinguisher through the opening and let 'er
> rip.
>
> $64 question is whether or not to use halon or the standard gasoline ABC
> extinguisher.
>
> Halon will kill you dead as a door nail if you breathe it.
>
> grumpy
>
> do not archive
>
> On Sep 11, 2009, at 9:52 AM, David McNeill wrote:
>
>>
>> If the fuel cannot be shutoff then the fire is already in the tunnel. An
>> Andair fuel selector turned off should stop feeding the flames and a
>> fire
>> bottle ought to cool everything ; without oxygen the fire should be
>> suppressed. Race cars are required to have fire suppression systems and
>> are
>> more susceptible to fires than our aircraft. In addition Part 21
>> aircraft
>> are required to have fire detection and fire suppression systems. Check
>> the
>> Boeings. My A&P course had an extensive class on fire detection/fire
>> suppression systems for Part 21 aircraft. My Glastar has a temperature
>> sensor in the Carburetor box and inlet spray and a spray nozzle over the
>> cylinders. The 10 has a sprayer on top of the cylinders and another
>> between
>> the firewall and the rear baffling.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of tsts4
>> Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 6:02 AM
>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: RV10-List: Re: Info and Question on Van's FWF Kit (including
>> hoses)
>>
>>
>> Just to play devil's advocate, what if you can't shut the fuel off--
>> you're
>> knocked out or something. Hypothetically, having maximum protection FWF
>> might buy you or some bystander time to extract you from the cabin
>> before
>> getting cooked.
>>
>> --------
>> Todd Stovall
>> 728TT (reserved)
>> RV-10 Empacone
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=262565#262565
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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I kind of scanned the archives, but didn't find much. Planning a trip down to
Vegas Nov 5th thru the 9th. Comments on airports to use/not use.... any chance
of finding shelter for a 10. Thanks guys.
Just got back from a week in Sedona..... Deems was able to fly over and we went
for a scenic tour of the area together (in the Deems machine).
Don McDonald
--------
Don A. McDonald
40636
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| Subject: | Re: Las Vegas Trip |
Best Place to Land.
Henderson KHND, Excellent service, also have enterprise or hertz rent a car at
main terminal. Only 10 minutes to LV Strip
Hanger your -10 alittle pricy @ $85.00 night. I fly into Henderson about once a
month and always hanger my -10.
SoCal RV Member
Bill
RV-10
N279RB
--- On Fri, 9/11/09, partner14 <building_partner@yahoo.com> wrote:
> From: partner14 <building_partner@yahoo.com>
> Subject: RV10-List: Las Vegas Trip
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Date: Friday, September 11, 2009, 3:35 PM
> "partner14" <building_partner@yahoo.com>
>
> I kind of scanned the archives, but didn't find much.
> Planning a trip down to Vegas Nov 5th thru the 9th.
> Comments on airports to use/not use.... any chance of
> finding shelter for a 10. Thanks guys.
>
> Just got back from a week in Sedona..... Deems was
> able to fly over and we went for a scenic tour of the area
> together (in the Deems machine).
>
> Don McDonald
>
> --------
> Don A. McDonald
> 40636
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=262632#262632
>
>
>
>
> Attachments:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_3822_165.jpg
>
>
>
>
> Forum -
> FAQ,
> - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS -
> List Contribution Web Site -
> -Matt
> Dralle, List Admin.
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Wiring diagram for Slick Start with 2 Slick Mags |
Does anyone have a wiring diagram for 2 Slick Mags, one with retard,
Slick Start, and a key switch they'd be willing to share? Or something
at least close.
Thanks
Bill "starting the Vetterman exhaust install while still trying to
finish the F-Air-Box" Watson
and enjoying a fine NC weekend!
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I always go into Henderson (HND). I just part on the ramp. I have flown
into both McCarran and North Las Vegas....but like Henderson the best.
Rick might be able to hook you up with cover at North Las Vegas.....
Where are you going in Vegas? That may also drive you to one vs the other.
Rene' Felker
RV-10 N423CF Flying
801-721-6080
-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of partner14
Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 4:36 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Las Vegas Trip
I kind of scanned the archives, but didn't find much. Planning a trip down
to Vegas Nov 5th thru the 9th. Comments on airports to use/not use.... any
chance of finding shelter for a 10. Thanks guys.
Just got back from a week in Sedona..... Deems was able to fly over and we
went for a scenic tour of the area together (in the Deems machine).
Don McDonald
--------
Don A. McDonald
40636
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| Subject: | Wiring diagram for Slick Start with 2 Slick Mags |
I have one at the hanger....won't be out there until Sunday. I just used on
the one that came with the Slick Start Manual. You may be able to get that
on line.
Rene' Felker
RV-10 N423CF Flying
801-721-6080
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Mauledriver
Watson
Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 4:59 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Wiring diagram for Slick Start with 2 Slick Mags
<MauleDriver@nc.rr.com>
Does anyone have a wiring diagram for 2 Slick Mags, one with retard,
Slick Start, and a key switch they'd be willing to share? Or something
at least close.
Thanks
Bill "starting the Vetterman exhaust install while still trying to
finish the F-Air-Box" Watson
and enjoying a fine NC weekend!
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| Subject: | Re: Las Vegas Trip |
Heck Don....you can stay at our hangar for half of that..lol.....we should be able
to squeeze you in...unless Bob get even nuttier and decides to put his wings
on before his pants/farings/doors/windows/cowl and propeller....you know ya'll
wouldn't like KHND so much if you knew how badly they wished you were a Citation!
Rick Sked
N246RS-it flys!!
Living in Las Vegas, resident of Montana.....
Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
-----Original Message-----
From: William Souza <electspec@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Las Vegas Trip
Best Place to Land.
Henderson KHND, Excellent service, also have enterprise or hertz rent a car at
main terminal. Only 10 minutes to LV Strip
Hanger your -10 alittle pricy @ $85.00 night. I fly into Henderson about once a
month and always hanger my -10.
SoCal RV Member
Bill
RV-10
N279RB
--- On Fri, 9/11/09, partner14 <building_partner@yahoo.com> wrote:
> From: partner14 <building_partner@yahoo.com>
> Subject: RV10-List: Las Vegas Trip
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Date: Friday, September 11, 2009, 3:35 PM
> "partner14" <building_partner@yahoo.com>
>
> I kind of scanned the archives, but didn't find much.
> Planning a trip down to Vegas Nov 5th thru the 9th.
> Comments on airports to use/not use.... any chance of
> finding shelter for a 10. Thanks guys.
>
> Just got back from a week in Sedona..... Deems was
> able to fly over and we went for a scenic tour of the area
> together (in the Deems machine).
>
> Don McDonald
>
> --------
> Don A. McDonald
> 40636
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=262632#262632
>
>
>
>
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> http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_3822_165.jpg
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> FAQ,
> - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS -
> List Contribution Web Site -
> -Matt
> Dralle, List Admin.
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Las Vegas Trip |
I flew into north Las Vegas about 6 weeks ago. I was flying an Army helicopter,
but I asked the folks working around the FBO about their take on the experimental
aircraft ban that was being pushed by the city. Perhaps it was only those
4 individuals (I didn't tell them I was a -10 builder), but they were pretty
well set against experimental aviation. I will NEVER fly back there either in
my own, or in the Army's aircraft again.
Eric Kallio
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| Subject: | Re: Las Vegas Trip |
Yeah that may be....was it the. Line boys?? I would love to know who you talked
to....seems our money is good enough though....I need this info to battle the
idiots around here....understand the employees here are mostly ignorant political
influenced county dipsh@ts who are the picture perfect guvment employees.....want
to find the most impersonal bitch's in the country just try and be nice
to a few..,NOT ALL of the wonderful check out girls at the KVGT counter....ahhhggghh.
Now I'm done. They could take some good lessons from the FBO at Lubbock
TX.....great gals there
------Original Message------
From: Eric_Kallio
Sender: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
ReplyTo: Rv
Sent: Sep 11, 2009 5:05 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: Las Vegas Trip
I flew into north Las Vegas about 6 weeks ago. I was flying an Army helicopter,
but I asked the folks working around the FBO about their take on the experimental
aircraft ban that was being pushed by the city. Perhaps it was only those
4 individuals (I didn't tell them I was a -10 builder), but they were pretty
well set against experimental aviation. I will NEVER fly back there either in
my own, or in the Army's aircraft again.
Eric Kallio
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=262652#262652
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| Subject: | Attaching door pins |
HI
I am ready to permanently install my door pins and am wondering about the
best way do lock them in place. Is locktite acceptable or should I be using
proseal / epoxy or something else? The threads seem somewhat loose so I want
to get this right the first time.
Inquiring minds need to know.
Les
#40643 - living in f/g hell
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| Subject: | Re: Las Vegas Trip |
Thanks guys for all the info.- We've got a great thing going here... hope
not too many of the wrong people find out.- The idea of having a hanger.
... and with other 10's, sounds great.-
Don McDonald
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e:
From: ricksked@embarqmail.com <ricksked@embarqmail.com>
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Las Vegas Trip
Heck Don....you can stay at our hangar for half of that..lol.....we should
be able to squeeze you in...unless Bob get even nuttier and decides to put
his wings on before his pants/farings/doors/windows/cowl and propeller....y
ou know ya'll wouldn't like KHND so much if you knew how badly they wished
you were a Citation!
Rick Sked
N246RS-it flys!!
Living in Las Vegas, resident of Montana.....
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From: William Souza <electspec@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Las Vegas Trip
Best Place to Land.
Henderson KHND, Excellent service, also have enterprise or hertz rent a car
at main terminal. Only 10 minutes to LV Strip
Hanger your -10 alittle pricy @ $85.00 night. I fly into Henderson about on
ce a month and always hanger my -10.
SoCal RV Member
Bill
RV-10
N279RB
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> I kind of scanned the archives, but didn't find much.-
> Planning a trip down to Vegas Nov 5th thru the 9th.-
> Comments on airports to use/not use.... any chance of
> finding shelter for a 10.- Thanks guys.
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> Just got back from a week in Sedona.....- Deems was
> able to fly over and we went for a scenic tour of the area
> together- (in the Deems machine).
>
> Don McDonald
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| Subject: | Re: Wiring diagram for Slick Start with 2 Slick Mags |
Bill,
The SlickStart doesn't really connect to the start switch. It gets power
from the start relay, and the rest of the wiring is to the mags.
The installation instructions don't even have a diagram, just a "connect
this wire here" kind of thing. I can get you a copy on Monday if you need
it. If you're trying to get a jump on the install, just run a wire from the
start solenoid to the SlickStart, and a ground. The rest is pretty easy.
F stands for fab, right?
Dave "always enjoying Bill's tag lines" Saylor
On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 3:59 PM, Bill Mauledriver Watson <
MauleDriver@nc.rr.com> wrote:
> MauleDriver@nc.rr.com>
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> Does anyone have a wiring diagram for 2 Slick Mags, one with retard, Slick
> Start, and a key switch they'd be willing to share? Or something at least
> close.
>
> Thanks
> Bill "starting the Vetterman exhaust install while still trying to finish
> the F-Air-Box" Watson
> and enjoying a fine NC weekend!
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Dave Saylor
AirCrafters LLC
140 Aviation Way
Watsonville, CA 95076
831-722-9141 Shop
831-750-0284 Cell
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| Subject: | Re: Wiring diagram for Slick Start with 2 Slick Mags |
I really appreciate whatever you have.
All I have is the the Service Letter SL2-96. I see there is a manual
(L-1492D) but can't find it anywhere. The Sacramento Skyranch folks had
a link but it doesn't seem to work.
Thanks.
Bill Watson
do not archive
Rene Felker wrote:
>
> I have one at the hanger....won't be out there until Sunday. I just used on
> the one that came with the Slick Start Manual. You may be able to get that
> on line.
>
> Rene' Felker
> RV-10 N423CF Flying
> 801-721-6080
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Mauledriver
> Watson
> Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 4:59 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV10-List: Wiring diagram for Slick Start with 2 Slick Mags
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> <MauleDriver@nc.rr.com>
>
> Does anyone have a wiring diagram for 2 Slick Mags, one with retard,
> Slick Start, and a key switch they'd be willing to share? Or something
> at least close.
>
> Thanks
> Bill "starting the Vetterman exhaust install while still trying to
> finish the F-Air-Box" Watson
> and enjoying a fine NC weekend!
>
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| Subject: | Re: Attaching door pins |
I have the rivethead pins and used locktite. Seems to hold ok. Pro-seal might be
better, but difficult to remove if the need comes.
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Q/B Kit - phase 1
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