---------------------------------------------------------- RV10-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 09/12/09: 13 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 07:11 AM - N410RV and East Coast Mike Seager (DejaVu) 2. 07:27 AM - Re: Attaching door pins (johngoodman) 3. 10:17 AM - dragging brake (David McNeill) 4. 10:21 AM - Re: Las Vegas Trip (Eric_Kallio) 5. 11:00 AM - Re: Re: Attaching door pins - Clarification (Les Kearney) 6. 03:03 PM - Re: Las Vegas Trip (Strasnuts) 7. 03:08 PM - Re: Re: Attaching door pins - Clarification (Dave Leikam) 8. 04:20 PM - Re: Re: Attaching door pins - Clarification (Les Kearney) 9. 06:23 PM - Re: Wiring diagram for Slick Start with 2 Slick Mags (Bill Mauledriver Watson) 10. 06:42 PM - Re: Wiring diagram for Slick Start with 2 Slick Mags (David McNeill) 11. 09:14 PM - Re: Wiring diagram for Slick Start with 2 Slick Mags (Dave Saylor) 12. 10:36 PM - Chicken little flight test school - stalls (AirMike) 13. 11:14 PM - Re: Chicken little flight test school - stalls (Don McDonald) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 07:11:52 AM PST US Subject: RV10-List: N410RV and East Coast Mike Seager From: DejaVu BODY { font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px; } Guys, You may not be aware that N410RV is now based at my airport, 2W6, St Mary's County, Maryland. Chip Lock has been Van's rep for the East Coast for a few years. He flew 410RV back to Maryland a few days ago. Chip also has RV-12 #2 based out of here for demo purposes. We also have an East Coast Mike Seager, Joe Zac. Joe is flying his -10 now. You've seen him on this list before. Joe is an airline pilot, RV-8/10 owner, and CFII. I think he'll be a good asset for those needing transition training later. Just passing the words. Do not archive Anh N591VU-flying ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 07:27:16 AM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: Attaching door pins From: "johngoodman" Les, You said the threads seemed somewhat loose - are you referring to the nut wobbling on the threads, or the grip part of the bolt wobbling in the hinges? I would think that a lock nut on an AN bolt would be pretty firm. John -------- #40572 QB Fuselage, wings finished. Finish Kit progressing. Engine & Panel delivery soon. N711JG reserved Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=262697#262697 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 10:17:38 AM PST US From: "David McNeill" Subject: RV10-List: dragging brake For about a year I have noticed an intermittent dragging left brake pilot side. With residual pressure left on the brake, seeps are more easily developed. I found three in the left side over the year. after numerous remedies, I called Vans who said that 90% of their dragging brakes complaints are resolved by loosening and lubricating the pedal linkage. After loosening the castellated nut and replacing the cotter key the the friction between the brake pedal and the lower end of the Matco cylinder had been reduced; the pedal when released move all the way to the brake off position and did not hold any pressure in the line. Just a heads up for current builders. ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 10:21:16 AM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: Las Vegas Trip From: "Eric_Kallio" Rick, It was 2 line guys, one girl behind the desk, and a lady, probably in her late 50's, who thought very highly of herself and her opinion, but never seemed to do anything there as far as work. In fact she couldn't help the three of us soldiers standing there trying to get a number for a cab. That was beneath her apparently. So I am not sure what her role was. You had mentioned Lubbock, which is where I was the night before this incident. Wonderful service and great people there. Eric Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=262710#262710 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 11:00:44 AM PST US From: "Les Kearney" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Attaching door pins - Clarification John The door pins I am referring to are the RivetHead door pins that contain magnets. They screw into the end of the C-1011 and C-1012 latch pins. The C-1011 and C-1012 are the forward / aft tubes that extend into the door frame when latching. I have tapped my tubes but the threads seem "loose" although they do hold properly when the door pins are fully screwed on. Perhaps this is because of the course nature of the threads. Cheers Les #40643 - living in fibreglass hell -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of johngoodman Sent: September-12-09 8:26 AM Subject: RV10-List: Re: Attaching door pins Les, You said the threads seemed somewhat loose - are you referring to the nut wobbling on the threads, or the grip part of the bolt wobbling in the hinges? I would think that a lock nut on an AN bolt would be pretty firm. John -------- #40572 QB Fuselage, wings finished. Finish Kit progressing. Engine & Panel delivery soon. N711JG reserved Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=262697#262697 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 03:03:07 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: Las Vegas Trip From: "Strasnuts" I fly a citation into HND now every time I go to Las Vegas. The people there are so nice and the Jet A is a lot cheaper than LAS. 100LL at VGT is the same as HND 4.20 SS. LAS is 7.91 [Shocked] They also have a decent restaurant upstairs at HND. -------- Cust. #40936 RV-10 SB Fuselage N801VR reserved Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=262724#262724 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 03:08:30 PM PST US From: "Dave Leikam" Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Attaching door pins - Clarification I have the same RivetHead pins and noticed my threads a bit loose as well. I used red loctite high strength. They are now very secure. Dave Leikam RV-10 #40496 N89DA Muskego, WI ----- Original Message ----- From: "Les Kearney" Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2009 12:57 PM Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Attaching door pins - Clarification > > John > > The door pins I am referring to are the RivetHead door pins that contain > magnets. They screw into the end of the C-1011 and C-1012 latch pins. The > C-1011 and C-1012 are the forward / aft tubes that extend into the door > frame when latching. > > I have tapped my tubes but the threads seem "loose" although they do hold > properly when the door pins are fully screwed on. Perhaps this is because > of > the course nature of the threads. > > Cheers > > Les > #40643 - living in fibreglass hell > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of johngoodman > Sent: September-12-09 8:26 AM > To: rv10-list@matronics.com > Subject: RV10-List: Re: Attaching door pins > > > Les, > You said the threads seemed somewhat loose - are you referring to the nut > wobbling on the threads, or the grip part of the bolt wobbling in the > hinges? I would think that a lock nut on an AN bolt would be pretty firm. > John > > -------- > #40572 QB Fuselage, wings finished. Finish Kit progressing. Engine & > Panel delivery soon. > N711JG reserved > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=262697#262697 > > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 04:20:22 PM PST US From: "Les Kearney" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Attaching door pins - Clarification Hi Dave Thanks for the info - it is just what I needed. It is good to know that you had the same experience with the thread looseness as well. Cheers Les -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave Leikam Sent: September-12-09 4:08 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Attaching door pins - Clarification I have the same RivetHead pins and noticed my threads a bit loose as well. I used red loctite high strength. They are now very secure. Dave Leikam RV-10 #40496 N89DA Muskego, WI ----- Original Message ----- From: "Les Kearney" Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2009 12:57 PM Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Attaching door pins - Clarification > > John > > The door pins I am referring to are the RivetHead door pins that contain > magnets. They screw into the end of the C-1011 and C-1012 latch pins. The > C-1011 and C-1012 are the forward / aft tubes that extend into the door > frame when latching. > > I have tapped my tubes but the threads seem "loose" although they do hold > properly when the door pins are fully screwed on. Perhaps this is because > of > the course nature of the threads. > > Cheers > > Les > #40643 - living in fibreglass hell > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of johngoodman > Sent: September-12-09 8:26 AM > To: rv10-list@matronics.com > Subject: RV10-List: Re: Attaching door pins > > > Les, > You said the threads seemed somewhat loose - are you referring to the nut > wobbling on the threads, or the grip part of the bolt wobbling in the > hinges? I would think that a lock nut on an AN bolt would be pretty firm. > John > > -------- > #40572 QB Fuselage, wings finished. Finish Kit progressing. Engine & > Panel delivery soon. > N711JG reserved > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=262697#262697 > > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 06:23:15 PM PST US From: Bill Mauledriver Watson Subject: Re: RV10-List: Wiring diagram for Slick Start with 2 Slick Mags Yes, Freak'n Fabulous that FAB is. Dave, I know this will end up with a pretty simple install but I can't get through the installation directions in SL2-96 which is all that came with the unit. Table 2 on page 7 of 39 has a table that I'm having trouble getting past. I can't figure out which one applies... and one option (that probably doesn't apply) shows a jumper that's required on the starter switch. I'm going to get my head wrapped around this at some point but sure would like to cheat first... Bill "drinking coffee and looking forward to a full build day" Watson Dave Saylor wrote: > Bill, > > The SlickStart doesn't really connect to the start switch. It gets > power from the start relay, and the rest of the wiring is to the mags. > > The installation instructions don't even have a diagram, just a > "connect this wire here" kind of thing. I can get you a copy on > Monday if you need it. If you're trying to get a jump on the install, > just run a wire from the start solenoid to the SlickStart, and a > ground. The rest is pretty easy. > > F stands for fab, right? > > Dave "always enjoying Bill's tag lines" Saylor > > On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 3:59 PM, Bill Mauledriver Watson > > wrote: > > > > > Does anyone have a wiring diagram for 2 Slick Mags, one with > retard, Slick Start, and a key switch they'd be willing to share? > Or something at least close. > > Thanks > Bill "starting the Vetterman exhaust install while still trying to > finish the F-Air-Box" Watson > and enjoying a fine NC weekend! > > > ========== > arget="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List > ========== > http://forums.matronics.com > ========== > le, List Admin. > ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > ========== > > > -- > Dave Saylor > AirCrafters LLC > 140 Aviation Way > Watsonville, CA 95076 > 831-722-9141 Shop > 831-750-0284 Cell > * > > > * ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 06:42:26 PM PST US From: "David McNeill" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Wiring diagram for Slick Start with 2 Slick Mags Dave Saylor is correct. Power for the slickstart comes from the cold side of the starter relay. It only has power when the starter is cranking. All other wiring is between slickstart terminals and the magneto including ground. I will be at the hangar tomorrow and look for the instructions. I initially wired mine incorrectly and it would not start. -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Mauledriver Watson Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2009 6:22 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Wiring diagram for Slick Start with 2 Slick Mags --> Yes, Freak'n Fabulous that FAB is. Dave, I know this will end up with a pretty simple install but I can't get through the installation directions in SL2-96 which is all that came with the unit. Table 2 on page 7 of 39 has a table that I'm having trouble getting past. I can't figure out which one applies... and one option (that probably doesn't apply) shows a jumper that's required on the starter switch. I'm going to get my head wrapped around this at some point but sure would like to cheat first... Bill "drinking coffee and looking forward to a full build day" Watson Dave Saylor wrote: > Bill, > > The SlickStart doesn't really connect to the start switch. It gets > power from the start relay, and the rest of the wiring is to the mags. > > The installation instructions don't even have a diagram, just a > "connect this wire here" kind of thing. I can get you a copy on > Monday if you need it. If you're trying to get a jump on the install, > just run a wire from the start solenoid to the SlickStart, and a > ground. The rest is pretty easy. > > F stands for fab, right? > > Dave "always enjoying Bill's tag lines" Saylor > > On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 3:59 PM, Bill Mauledriver Watson > > wrote: > > > > > Does anyone have a wiring diagram for 2 Slick Mags, one with > retard, Slick Start, and a key switch they'd be willing to share? > Or something at least close. > > Thanks > Bill "starting the Vetterman exhaust install while still trying to > finish the F-Air-Box" Watson > and enjoying a fine NC weekend! > > > ========== > arget="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List > ========== > http://forums.matronics.com > ========== > le, List Admin. > ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > ========== > > > -- > Dave Saylor > AirCrafters LLC > 140 Aviation Way > Watsonville, CA 95076 > 831-722-9141 Shop > 831-750-0284 Cell > * > > > * ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 09:14:39 PM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: Wiring diagram for Slick Start with 2 Slick Mags From: Dave Saylor Bill, Table 2 sucks. They make it sound like those are all the possible combinations, but my setup, for example, isn't listed in Table 2. I have zero impulse couplings, zero start vibrators, one regular mag, and one retard mag. I wired mine like Figure 3 on page 12 of this version: b2b.unisonindustries.com/pdf/marketing_literature/SL2-96(E).pdf I couldn't find anything that talks about a jumper, but if you point it out I might be able to help clarify that. I suspect that they want it to ground the other mag during start. There's another pub from Unison that says not to connect the same SlickStart to both mags. I guess they found a possible failure that can ground both mags at the same time, or at least they're guarding against the possibility. Good insurance, and mine starts fine on one mag. Dave On Sat, Sep 12, 2009 at 6:21 PM, Bill Mauledriver Watson < MauleDriver@nc.rr.com> wrote: > MauleDriver@nc.rr.com> > > Yes, Freak'n Fabulous that FAB is. > > Dave, I know this will end up with a pretty simple install but I can't get > through the installation directions in SL2-96 which is all that came with > the unit. Table 2 on page 7 of 39 has a table that I'm having trouble > getting past. I can't figure out which one applies... and one option (that > probably doesn't apply) shows a jumper that's required on the starter > switch. > > I'm going to get my head wrapped around this at some point but sure would > like to cheat first... > > Bill "drinking coffee and looking forward to a full build day" Watson > > Dave Saylor wrote: > >> Bill, >> >> The SlickStart doesn't really connect to the start switch. It gets power >> from the start relay, and the rest of the wiring is to the mags. >> >> The installation instructions don't even have a diagram, just a "connect >> this wire here" kind of thing. I can get you a copy on Monday if you need >> it. If you're trying to get a jump on the install, just run a wire from the >> start solenoid to the SlickStart, and a ground. The rest is pretty easy. >> >> F stands for fab, right? >> >> Dave "always enjoying Bill's tag lines" Saylor >> >> On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 3:59 PM, Bill Mauledriver Watson < >> MauleDriver@nc.rr.com > wrote: >> >> > >> >> Does anyone have a wiring diagram for 2 Slick Mags, one with >> retard, Slick Start, and a key switch they'd be willing to share? >> Or something at least close. >> >> Thanks >> Bill "starting the Vetterman exhaust install while still trying to >> finish the F-Air-Box" Watson >> and enjoying a fine NC weekend! >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ========== >> arget="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List >> ========== >> http://forums.matronics.com >> ========== >> le, List Admin. >> ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >> ========== >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Dave Saylor >> AirCrafters LLC >> 140 Aviation Way >> Watsonville, CA 95076 >> 831-722-9141 Shop >> 831-750-0284 Cell >> * >> >> >> * >> > > -- Dave Saylor AirCrafters LLC 140 Aviation Way Watsonville, CA 95076 831-722-9141 Shop 831-750-0284 Cell ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 10:36:59 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Chicken little flight test school - stalls From: "AirMike" Getting ready to test envelope doing some stalls in different configurations. I would appreciate some info on your stall speeds and if your RV10 shows a tendency to break in either direction (rt or left) -------- OSH '10 or Bust Q/B Kit - phase 1 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=262757#262757 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 11:14:09 PM PST US From: Don McDonald Subject: Re: RV10-List: Chicken little flight test school - stalls Very tame, even for someone with my limited experience.- Don't have the n umbers here at home though. Don McDonald 75 hours and counting. --- On Sat, 9/12/09, AirMike wrote: From: AirMike Subject: RV10-List: Chicken little flight test school - stalls Getting ready to test envelope doing some stalls in different configuration s. I would appreciate some info on your stall speeds and if your RV10 shows a tendency to break in either direction (rt or left) -------- OSH '10 or Bust Q/B Kit - phase 1 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=262757#262757 le, List Admin. =0A=0A=0A ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message rv10-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/RV10-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/rv10-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/rv10-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.