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1. 08:23 AM - Re: Re: Attaching door pins - Clarification (Steven DiNieri)
2. 10:21 AM - Re: Chicken little flight test school - stalls (Robin Marks)
3. 10:21 AM - Re: Chicken little flight test school - stalls (Robin Marks)
4. 02:24 PM - Re: Chicken little flight test school - stalls (Tim Olson)
5. 03:09 PM - Re: Chicken little flight test school - stalls (Bob Turner)
6. 04:15 PM - Re: Re: Chicken little flight test school - stalls (David McNeill)
7. 04:43 PM - Infinity grip wiring. (aerosport1)
8. 05:49 PM - Re: Wiring diagram for Slick Start with 2 Slick Mags (Rene)
9. 07:09 PM - Re: Wiring diagram for Slick Start with 2 Slick Mags (Bill Mauledriver Watson)
10. 07:25 PM - Re: Wiring diagram for Slick Start with 2 Slick Mags (Kelly McMullen)
11. 07:43 PM - Re: Wiring diagram for Slick Start with 2 Slick Mags (Rene)
12. 07:44 PM - Re: Wiring diagram for Slick Start with 2 Slick Mags (Rene)
13. 08:10 PM - Re: Wiring diagram for Slick Start with 2 Slick Mags (Rene)
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| Subject: | Re: Attaching door pins - Clarification |
LES,
technically, the threads formed inside the door rods (with a tap) are
not formed with the correct minor diameter because the inside diameter is
not quite small enough. But,
there is still plenty of "meat" for the threads to form on the rods. this
will cause the magnetic tip to seem sloppy when screwing it on. once the
shoulders mate, and cinched together the slop will disappear.
If you think you need a little more:
once the length is established there should be no reason to remove the
bullet ends, so maybe a jb weld or structural epoxy would be a better
choice over locktite. (not very good at filling voids)
Also (another option) I've found that replacing the door rods with hard
steel brake lines from napa worked well . the walls are thicker so they tap
out to a tighter fit .
Steve
IFLYRV10.COM
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From: "Les Kearney" <kearney@shaw.ca>.
Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2009 1:57 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Attaching door pins - Clarification
>
> John
>
> The door pins I am referring to are the RivetHead door pins that contain
> magnets. They screw into the end of the C-1011 and C-1012 latch pins. The
> C-1011 and C-1012 are the forward / aft tubes that extend into the door
> frame when latching.
>
> I have tapped my tubes but the threads seem "loose" although they do hold
> properly when the door pins are fully screwed on. Perhaps this is because
> of
> the course nature of the threads.
>
> Cheers
>
> Les
> #40643 - living in fibreglass hell
>
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> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of johngoodman
> Sent: September-12-09 8:26 AM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV10-List: Re: Attaching door pins
>
>
> Les,
> You said the threads seemed somewhat loose - are you referring to the nut
> wobbling on the threads, or the grip part of the bolt wobbling in the
> hinges? I would think that a lock nut on an AN bolt would be pretty firm.
> John
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| Subject: | Chicken little flight test school - stalls |
I am right where Don is... 80 hours (and counting). I have done a TON of
stalls in many different configurations to TRY and program my Dynon AOA.
Single pilot and or low fuel two pilot with power on stalls it feels you
have to stand it on its tail. I am not sure what one would have to be
thinking to actually stall and RV-10 with power on in flight. Power off
still takes a fair amount of effort and what seems like really low speed
high angle of attack. The buffeting & stalls are obvious and straight
forward (to me). The only reason the -10 tends to fall off to one side
or the other is if you spend so much time trying to get the stall to
occur that you are looking up at the blue sky and lose directional
orientation. Regardless the recovery is straight forward.
Review your stall recovery procedures, do it with a skilled friend or
instructor if need be. The -10 is very docile and predictable... Like
any RV.
Robin
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Don McDonald
Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2009 11:04 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Chicken little flight test school - stalls
Very tame, even for someone with my limited experience. Don't have the
numbers here at home though.
Don McDonald
75 hours and counting.
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Subject: RV10-List: Chicken little flight test school - stalls
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Date: Saturday, September 12, 2009, 10:35 PM
<http://us.mc537.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=Mikeabel@Pacbell.net> >
Getting ready to test envelope doing some stalls in different
configurations. I would appreciate some info on your stall speeds and if
your RV10 shows a tendency to break in either direction (rt or left)
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| Subject: | Chicken little flight test school - stalls |
Oh, I forgot to add the obvious. Practice at altitude!
Robin
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| Subject: | Re: Chicken little flight test school - stalls |
Robin's 100% right. I've always wondered why I bother to practice
full power-on stalls in the -10...you would never have one happen
inadvertently....all of your belongings in the plane would already
have fallen into the baggage area you'd be facing so far up.
There's nothing to fear in practicing stalls in the -10, it's
as simple as it gets.
Here are some photos for your enjoyment.
http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/flights/20080414/index.html
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
Robin Marks wrote:
> I am right where Don is 80 hours (and counting). I have done a TON of
> stalls in many different configurations to TRY and program my Dynon AOA.
> Single pilot and or low fuel two pilot with power on stalls it feels you
> have to stand it on its tail. I am not sure what one would have to be
> thinking to actually stall and RV-10 with power on in flight. Power off
> still takes a fair amount of effort and what seems like really low speed
> high angle of attack. The buffeting & stalls are obvious and straight
> forward (to me). The only reason the -10 tends to fall off to one side
> or the other is if you spend so much time trying to get the stall to
> occur that you are looking up at the blue sky and lose directional
> orientation. Regardless the recovery is straight forward.
>
> Review your stall recovery procedures, do it with a skilled friend or
> instructor if need be. The -10 is very docile and predictable Like any RV.
>
>
>
> Robin
>
>
>
>
>
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> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Don McDonald
> *Sent:* Saturday, September 12, 2009 11:04 PM
> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* Re: RV10-List: Chicken little flight test school - stalls
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>
>
> Very tame, even for someone with my limited experience. Don't have the
> numbers here at home though.
>
> Don McDonald
>
> 75 hours and counting.
>
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> Subject: RV10-List: Chicken little flight test school - stalls
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Date: Saturday, September 12, 2009, 10:35 PM
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> <http://us.mc537.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=Mikeabel@Pacbell.net>>
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> Getting ready to test envelope doing some stalls in different
> configurations. I would appreciate some info on your stall speeds
> and if your RV10 shows a tendency to break in either direction (rt
> or left)
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| Subject: | Re: Chicken little flight test school - stalls |
"...you would never have one happen
inadvertently..."
There are other planes (e.g., Cessna 182) where you wonder how anyone could inadvertently
stall it - yet they do.
I think what you meant was that such stalls seldom happen in the typical configuration
in which they are taught and practiced. This, IMHO, is a deficiency in
the typical instructional methods used (and endorsed by the FAA thru the PTS).
Power on stalls happen during steep climbing turns, or high altitude climbs
in IMC, or at night, or "trim stalls" following go-arounds when the trim is strongly
nose-up, or during the pull up from a buzzing incident, or....
And of course it's a lot easier (lower control pressures) to do at aft cg loadings.
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Bob Turner
RV-10 QB
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| Subject: | Re: Chicken little flight test school - stalls |
I concur that the PTS scenario is unlikely. The best way to counteract the
IMC/night maximum climbing turn stall is the integration of pitch
instruments and outside references when available. One method is training
that begins flight maneuvers using one set of references and confirms it
with the other. For example a steep climbing turn might be begun using
outside references but the inside references on the PFD or other instruments
are used to confirm the aircraft is performing as desired. Probably the
easiest "inadvertent situation" to design is the trim induced steep climb.
Allow the student to approach with minimum power, maximum flaps and trim the
pressure off. A Go Around is ordered and the student will probably add climb
power and experience the extra back pressure on the stick from the increased
power. If allowed, the trim condition could become a critical situation. On
one occasion I had a student go missed because of low scud; he brought the
power up and avoided the trim problem by saying the engine sounded good
(high rpm) but MAP was about 15" , considerably less than climb power. The
key to all these situations is the integration of both inside and outside
references. If VMC, make the outside look right and then confirm by the PFD
etc that the aircraft is doing what you commanded it to do by your control
inputs. These steep maneuvers can be practiced at altitude as chandelles and
power off approaches with full up trim at 3500+ AGL.
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob Turner
Sent: Sunday, September 13, 2009 3:09 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: Chicken little flight test school - stalls
"...you would never have one happen
inadvertently..."
There are other planes (e.g., Cessna 182) where you wonder how anyone could
inadvertently stall it - yet they do.
I think what you meant was that such stalls seldom happen in the typical
configuration in which they are taught and practiced. This, IMHO, is a
deficiency in the typical instructional methods used (and endorsed by the
FAA thru the PTS). Power on stalls happen during steep climbing turns, or
high altitude climbs in IMC, or at night, or "trim stalls" following
go-arounds when the trim is strongly nose-up, or during the pull up from a
buzzing incident, or....
And of course it's a lot easier (lower control pressures) to do at aft cg
loadings.
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RV-10 QB
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| Subject: | Infinity grip wiring. |
I am looking for some good ways to simplify the wiring between the Infinity grips,
Trim servos, Efis display and safety trim. I have seen some photos that showed
using sub D plugs or other types that had a junction box or strip under the
seats. Any help or ideas out there. Photos would be
great.
Thanks Geoff
N829GW
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Geoff Combs
RV-10 QB N829GW
Finishing
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| Subject: | Wiring diagram for Slick Start with 2 Slick Mags |
Here is what I used to wire mine. I have attached the key switch
instructions and the pages from the Slick manual. Between the two, I
figured it out. Let me know if you have any questions....I will keep the
documentation here at home this week.
Rene'
801-721-6080
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Mauledriver
Watson
Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 4:59 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Wiring diagram for Slick Start with 2 Slick Mags
<MauleDriver@nc.rr.com>
Does anyone have a wiring diagram for 2 Slick Mags, one with retard,
Slick Start, and a key switch they'd be willing to share? Or something
at least close.
Thanks
Bill "starting the Vetterman exhaust install while still trying to
finish the F-Air-Box" Watson
and enjoying a fine NC weekend!
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| Subject: | Re: Wiring diagram for Slick Start with 2 Slick Mags |
I found this which describes my configuration exactly
http://alturl.com/dgvt
The only difference between what is described above and Fig 3 on page 12
of SL2-96 is the connection of terminal 3 to the "left mag retard
breaker terminal".
Any thoughts? I'm still staring at this stuff.
Bill "otherwise cruising along with the FWF work" Watson
Dave Saylor wrote:
> Bill,
>
> Table 2 sucks. They make it sound like those are all the possible
> combinations, but my setup, for example, isn't listed in Table 2. I
> have zero impulse couplings, zero start vibrators, one regular mag,
> and one retard mag. I wired mine like Figure 3 on page 12 of this
> version:
>
> b2b.unisonindustries.com/pdf/marketing_literature/SL2-96(E).pdf
> <http://b2b.unisonindustries.com/pdf/marketing_literature/SL2-96%28E%29.pdf>
>
> I couldn't find anything that talks about a jumper, but if you point
> it out I might be able to help clarify that. I suspect that they want
> it to ground the other mag during start.
>
> There's another pub from Unison that says not to connect the same
> SlickStart to both mags. I guess they found a possible failure that
> can ground both mags at the same time, or at least they're guarding
> against the possibility. Good insurance, and mine starts fine on one mag.
>
> Dave
>
> On Sat, Sep 12, 2009 at 6:21 PM, Bill Mauledriver Watson
> <MauleDriver@nc.rr.com <mailto:MauleDriver@nc.rr.com>> wrote:
>
> <MauleDriver@nc.rr.com <mailto:MauleDriver@nc.rr.com>>
>
> Yes, Freak'n Fabulous that FAB is.
>
> Dave, I know this will end up with a pretty simple install but I
> can't get through the installation directions in SL2-96 which is
> all that came with the unit. Table 2 on page 7 of 39 has a table
> that I'm having trouble getting past. I can't figure out which
> one applies... and one option (that probably doesn't apply) shows
> a jumper that's required on the starter switch.
>
> I'm going to get my head wrapped around this at some point but
> sure would like to cheat first...
>
> Bill "drinking coffee and looking forward to a full build day" Watson
>
> Dave Saylor wrote:
>
> Bill,
>
> The SlickStart doesn't really connect to the start switch. It
> gets power from the start relay, and the rest of the wiring is
> to the mags.
>
> The installation instructions don't even have a diagram, just
> a "connect this wire here" kind of thing. I can get you a
> copy on Monday if you need it. If you're trying to get a jump
> on the install, just run a wire from the start solenoid to the
> SlickStart, and a ground. The rest is pretty easy.
>
> F stands for fab, right?
>
> Dave "always enjoying Bill's tag lines" Saylor
>
> On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 3:59 PM, Bill Mauledriver Watson
> <MauleDriver@nc.rr.com <mailto:MauleDriver@nc.rr.com>
> <mailto:MauleDriver@nc.rr.com <mailto:MauleDriver@nc.rr.com>>>
> wrote:
>
> <MauleDriver@nc.rr.com <mailto:MauleDriver@nc.rr.com>
> <mailto:MauleDriver@nc.rr.com <mailto:MauleDriver@nc.rr.com>>>
>
> Does anyone have a wiring diagram for 2 Slick Mags, one with
> retard, Slick Start, and a key switch they'd be willing to
> share?
> Or something at least close.
>
> Thanks
> Bill "starting the Vetterman exhaust install while still
> trying to
> finish the F-Air-Box" Watson
> and enjoying a fine NC weekend!
>
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| Subject: | Re: Wiring diagram for Slick Start with 2 Slick Mags |
Given that retard breaker mags were originally used with Bendix "Shower
of Sparks" setups, that had a vibrator to produce the alternating
current; I'd suggest looking at the wiring diagram for that. I believe
Bob Nuckolls has a diagram or two up on his AeroElectric site.
Otherwise, I have one for a Mooney with that setup.
Bill Mauledriver Watson wrote:
> <MauleDriver@nc.rr.com>
>
> I found this which describes my configuration exactly
> http://alturl.com/dgvt
> The only difference between what is described above and Fig 3 on page 12
> of SL2-96 is the connection of terminal 3 to the "left mag retard
> breaker terminal".
>
> Any thoughts? I'm still staring at this stuff.
>
> Bill "otherwise cruising along with the FWF work" Watson
>
>
> Dave Saylor wrote:
>> Bill,
>>
>> Table 2 sucks. They make it sound like those are all the possible
>> combinations, but my setup, for example, isn't listed in Table 2. I
>> have zero impulse couplings, zero start vibrators, one regular mag,
>> and one retard mag. I wired mine like Figure 3 on page 12 of this
>> version:
>>
>> b2b.unisonindustries.com/pdf/marketing_literature/SL2-96(E).pdf
>> <http://b2b.unisonindustries.com/pdf/marketing_literature/SL2-96%28E%29.pdf>
>>
>>
>> I couldn't find anything that talks about a jumper, but if you point
>> it out I might be able to help clarify that. I suspect that they want
>> it to ground the other mag during start.
>>
>> There's another pub from Unison that says not to connect the same
>> SlickStart to both mags. I guess they found a possible failure that
>> can ground both mags at the same time, or at least they're guarding
>> against the possibility. Good insurance, and mine starts fine on one
>> mag.
>>
>> Dave
>>
>> On Sat, Sep 12, 2009 at 6:21 PM, Bill Mauledriver Watson
>> <MauleDriver@nc.rr.com <mailto:MauleDriver@nc.rr.com>> wrote:
>>
>> <MauleDriver@nc.rr.com <mailto:MauleDriver@nc.rr.com>>
>>
>> Yes, Freak'n Fabulous that FAB is.
>>
>> Dave, I know this will end up with a pretty simple install but I
>> can't get through the installation directions in SL2-96 which is
>> all that came with the unit. Table 2 on page 7 of 39 has a table
>> that I'm having trouble getting past. I can't figure out which
>> one applies... and one option (that probably doesn't apply) shows
>> a jumper that's required on the starter switch.
>>
>> I'm going to get my head wrapped around this at some point but
>> sure would like to cheat first...
>>
>> Bill "drinking coffee and looking forward to a full build day" Watson
>>
>> Dave Saylor wrote:
>>
>> Bill,
>>
>> The SlickStart doesn't really connect to the start switch. It
>> gets power from the start relay, and the rest of the wiring is
>> to the mags.
>>
>> The installation instructions don't even have a diagram, just
>> a "connect this wire here" kind of thing. I can get you a
>> copy on Monday if you need it. If you're trying to get a jump
>> on the install, just run a wire from the start solenoid to the
>> SlickStart, and a ground. The rest is pretty easy.
>>
>> F stands for fab, right?
>>
>> Dave "always enjoying Bill's tag lines" Saylor
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 3:59 PM, Bill Mauledriver Watson
>> <MauleDriver@nc.rr.com <mailto:MauleDriver@nc.rr.com>
>> <mailto:MauleDriver@nc.rr.com <mailto:MauleDriver@nc.rr.com>>>
>> wrote:
>>
>> <MauleDriver@nc.rr.com <mailto:MauleDriver@nc.rr.com>
>> <mailto:MauleDriver@nc.rr.com <mailto:MauleDriver@nc.rr.com>>>
>>
>> Does anyone have a wiring diagram for 2 Slick Mags, one with
>> retard, Slick Start, and a key switch they'd be willing to
>> share?
>> Or something at least close.
>>
>> Thanks
>> Bill "starting the Vetterman exhaust install while still
>> trying to
>> finish the F-Air-Box" Watson
>> and enjoying a fine NC weekend!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>> AirCrafters LLC
>> 140 Aviation Way
>> Watsonville, CA 95076
>> 831-722-9141 Shop
>> 831-750-0284 Cell
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| Subject: | Wiring diagram for Slick Start with 2 Slick Mags |
OK, I am no expert....but this is my best guess.........
Pin one grounds the Left mag capacitor stud for starting......
Pin two does nothing
Pin three provides excitation voltage to the retard breaker whenever the
starter is engaged.
Vin powers the unit only when the starter is engaged
GND ....ground for the unit.
When using a standard off, right, left, both, start.....starter switch, the
right mag is grounded when the key is in the start position. Note, the note
to jumper the GND and R... "JUMPER Use when lef mag is retard or breaker mag
or has impulse coupling." (See install of acs A-510-2 ignition switch.
On back of key switch.
L goes to Left mag capacitor (used to ground left mag)
LR (Not used)
R goes to Right mag capacitor (used to ground Right mag)
S goes to start solenoid
BO (Not used)
Bat goes to battery
GND to ground
I will see if I can dig up the key wiring......I remember seeing it
somewhere.
Rene'
801-721-6080
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Mauledriver
Watson
Sent: Sunday, September 13, 2009 8:08 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Wiring diagram for Slick Start with 2 Slick Mags
<MauleDriver@nc.rr.com>
I found this which describes my configuration exactly
http://alturl.com/dgvt
The only difference between what is described above and Fig 3 on page 12
of SL2-96 is the connection of terminal 3 to the "left mag retard
breaker terminal".
Any thoughts? I'm still staring at this stuff.
Bill "otherwise cruising along with the FWF work" Watson
Dave Saylor wrote:
> Bill,
>
> Table 2 sucks. They make it sound like those are all the possible
> combinations, but my setup, for example, isn't listed in Table 2. I
> have zero impulse couplings, zero start vibrators, one regular mag,
> and one retard mag. I wired mine like Figure 3 on page 12 of this
> version:
>
> b2b.unisonindustries.com/pdf/marketing_literature/SL2-96(E).pdf
>
<http://b2b.unisonindustries.com/pdf/marketing_literature/SL2-96%28E%29.pdf>
>
> I couldn't find anything that talks about a jumper, but if you point
> it out I might be able to help clarify that. I suspect that they want
> it to ground the other mag during start.
>
> There's another pub from Unison that says not to connect the same
> SlickStart to both mags. I guess they found a possible failure that
> can ground both mags at the same time, or at least they're guarding
> against the possibility. Good insurance, and mine starts fine on one mag.
>
> Dave
>
> On Sat, Sep 12, 2009 at 6:21 PM, Bill Mauledriver Watson
> <MauleDriver@nc.rr.com <mailto:MauleDriver@nc.rr.com>> wrote:
>
> <MauleDriver@nc.rr.com <mailto:MauleDriver@nc.rr.com>>
>
> Yes, Freak'n Fabulous that FAB is.
>
> Dave, I know this will end up with a pretty simple install but I
> can't get through the installation directions in SL2-96 which is
> all that came with the unit. Table 2 on page 7 of 39 has a table
> that I'm having trouble getting past. I can't figure out which
> one applies... and one option (that probably doesn't apply) shows
> a jumper that's required on the starter switch.
>
> I'm going to get my head wrapped around this at some point but
> sure would like to cheat first...
>
> Bill "drinking coffee and looking forward to a full build day" Watson
>
> Dave Saylor wrote:
>
> Bill,
>
> The SlickStart doesn't really connect to the start switch. It
> gets power from the start relay, and the rest of the wiring is
> to the mags.
>
> The installation instructions don't even have a diagram, just
> a "connect this wire here" kind of thing. I can get you a
> copy on Monday if you need it. If you're trying to get a jump
> on the install, just run a wire from the start solenoid to the
> SlickStart, and a ground. The rest is pretty easy.
>
> F stands for fab, right?
>
> Dave "always enjoying Bill's tag lines" Saylor
>
> On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 3:59 PM, Bill Mauledriver Watson
> <MauleDriver@nc.rr.com <mailto:MauleDriver@nc.rr.com>
> <mailto:MauleDriver@nc.rr.com <mailto:MauleDriver@nc.rr.com>>>
> wrote:
>
> <MauleDriver@nc.rr.com <mailto:MauleDriver@nc.rr.com>
> <mailto:MauleDriver@nc.rr.com <mailto:MauleDriver@nc.rr.com>>>
>
> Does anyone have a wiring diagram for 2 Slick Mags, one with
> retard, Slick Start, and a key switch they'd be willing to
> share?
> Or something at least close.
>
> Thanks
> Bill "starting the Vetterman exhaust install while still
> trying to
> finish the F-Air-Box" Watson
> and enjoying a fine NC weekend!
>
>
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> 140 Aviation Way
> Watsonville, CA 95076
> 831-722-9141 Shop
> 831-750-0284 Cell
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>
>
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>
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> AirCrafters LLC
> 140 Aviation Way
> Watsonville, CA 95076
> 831-722-9141 Shop
> 831-750-0284 Cell
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>
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| Subject: | Wiring diagram for Slick Start with 2 Slick Mags |
The instructions that I sent in the earlier e-mail are for a shower of
sparks setup.....pretty sure. :)
Rene'
801-721-6080
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kelly McMullen
Sent: Sunday, September 13, 2009 8:24 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Wiring diagram for Slick Start with 2 Slick Mags
Given that retard breaker mags were originally used with Bendix "Shower
of Sparks" setups, that had a vibrator to produce the alternating
current; I'd suggest looking at the wiring diagram for that. I believe
Bob Nuckolls has a diagram or two up on his AeroElectric site.
Otherwise, I have one for a Mooney with that setup.
Bill Mauledriver Watson wrote:
> <MauleDriver@nc.rr.com>
>
> I found this which describes my configuration exactly
> http://alturl.com/dgvt
> The only difference between what is described above and Fig 3 on page 12
> of SL2-96 is the connection of terminal 3 to the "left mag retard
> breaker terminal".
>
> Any thoughts? I'm still staring at this stuff.
>
> Bill "otherwise cruising along with the FWF work" Watson
>
>
> Dave Saylor wrote:
>> Bill,
>>
>> Table 2 sucks. They make it sound like those are all the possible
>> combinations, but my setup, for example, isn't listed in Table 2. I
>> have zero impulse couplings, zero start vibrators, one regular mag,
>> and one retard mag. I wired mine like Figure 3 on page 12 of this
>> version:
>>
>> b2b.unisonindustries.com/pdf/marketing_literature/SL2-96(E).pdf
>>
<http://b2b.unisonindustries.com/pdf/marketing_literature/SL2-96%28E%29.pdf>
>>
>>
>> I couldn't find anything that talks about a jumper, but if you point
>> it out I might be able to help clarify that. I suspect that they want
>> it to ground the other mag during start.
>>
>> There's another pub from Unison that says not to connect the same
>> SlickStart to both mags. I guess they found a possible failure that
>> can ground both mags at the same time, or at least they're guarding
>> against the possibility. Good insurance, and mine starts fine on one
>> mag.
>>
>> Dave
>>
>> On Sat, Sep 12, 2009 at 6:21 PM, Bill Mauledriver Watson
>> <MauleDriver@nc.rr.com <mailto:MauleDriver@nc.rr.com>> wrote:
>>
>> <MauleDriver@nc.rr.com <mailto:MauleDriver@nc.rr.com>>
>>
>> Yes, Freak'n Fabulous that FAB is.
>>
>> Dave, I know this will end up with a pretty simple install but I
>> can't get through the installation directions in SL2-96 which is
>> all that came with the unit. Table 2 on page 7 of 39 has a table
>> that I'm having trouble getting past. I can't figure out which
>> one applies... and one option (that probably doesn't apply) shows
>> a jumper that's required on the starter switch.
>>
>> I'm going to get my head wrapped around this at some point but
>> sure would like to cheat first...
>>
>> Bill "drinking coffee and looking forward to a full build day" Watson
>>
>> Dave Saylor wrote:
>>
>> Bill,
>>
>> The SlickStart doesn't really connect to the start switch. It
>> gets power from the start relay, and the rest of the wiring is
>> to the mags.
>>
>> The installation instructions don't even have a diagram, just
>> a "connect this wire here" kind of thing. I can get you a
>> copy on Monday if you need it. If you're trying to get a jump
>> on the install, just run a wire from the start solenoid to the
>> SlickStart, and a ground. The rest is pretty easy.
>>
>> F stands for fab, right?
>>
>> Dave "always enjoying Bill's tag lines" Saylor
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 3:59 PM, Bill Mauledriver Watson
>> <MauleDriver@nc.rr.com <mailto:MauleDriver@nc.rr.com>
>> <mailto:MauleDriver@nc.rr.com <mailto:MauleDriver@nc.rr.com>>>
>> wrote:
>>
>> <MauleDriver@nc.rr.com <mailto:MauleDriver@nc.rr.com>
>> <mailto:MauleDriver@nc.rr.com <mailto:MauleDriver@nc.rr.com>>>
>>
>> Does anyone have a wiring diagram for 2 Slick Mags, one with
>> retard, Slick Start, and a key switch they'd be willing to
>> share?
>> Or something at least close.
>>
>> Thanks
>> Bill "starting the Vetterman exhaust install while still
>> trying to
>> finish the F-Air-Box" Watson
>> and enjoying a fine NC weekend!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ==========
>> arget="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List
>> ==========
>> http://forums.matronics.com
>> ==========
>> le, List Admin.
>> ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>> ==========
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -- Dave Saylor
>> AirCrafters LLC
>> 140 Aviation Way
>> Watsonville, CA 95076
>> 831-722-9141 Shop
>> 831-750-0284 Cell
>> *
>>
>>
>> *
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ==========
>> arget="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List
>> ==========
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>> ==========
>> le, List Admin.
>> ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>> ==========
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Dave Saylor
>> AirCrafters LLC
>> 140 Aviation Way
>> Watsonville, CA 95076
>> 831-722-9141 Shop
>> 831-750-0284 Cell
>> *
>>
>>
>> *
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Wiring diagram for Slick Start with 2 Slick Mags |
Here is a connection to the Bob N article.....
http://www.aeroelectric.com/articles/MagnetoSwitchOptions.pdf
Also, I attached a copy of the key switch operation. Note, that in
order to
get the Right mag grounded during starting, you need to have the jumper.
Good luck.
Rene'
801-721-6080
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill
Mauledriver
Watson
Sent: Sunday, September 13, 2009 8:08 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Wiring diagram for Slick Start with 2 Slick Mags
<MauleDriver@nc.rr.com>
I found this which describes my configuration exactly
http://alturl.com/dgvt
The only difference between what is described above and Fig 3 on page 12
of SL2-96 is the connection of terminal 3 to the "left mag retard
breaker terminal".
Any thoughts? I'm still staring at this stuff.
Bill "otherwise cruising along with the FWF work" Watson
Dave Saylor wrote:
> Bill,
>
> Table 2 sucks. They make it sound like those are all the possible
> combinations, but my setup, for example, isn't listed in Table 2. I
> have zero impulse couplings, zero start vibrators, one regular mag,
> and one retard mag. I wired mine like Figure 3 on page 12 of this
> version:
>
> b2b.unisonindustries.com/pdf/marketing_literature/SL2-96(E).pdf
>
<http://b2b.unisonindustries.com/pdf/marketing_literature/SL2-96%28E%29.p
df>
>
> I couldn't find anything that talks about a jumper, but if you point
> it out I might be able to help clarify that. I suspect that they want
> it to ground the other mag during start.
>
> There's another pub from Unison that says not to connect the same
> SlickStart to both mags. I guess they found a possible failure that
> can ground both mags at the same time, or at least they're guarding
> against the possibility. Good insurance, and mine starts fine on one
mag.
>
> Dave
>
> On Sat, Sep 12, 2009 at 6:21 PM, Bill Mauledriver Watson
> <MauleDriver@nc.rr.com <mailto:MauleDriver@nc.rr.com>> wrote:
>
> <MauleDriver@nc.rr.com <mailto:MauleDriver@nc.rr.com>>
>
> Yes, Freak'n Fabulous that FAB is.
>
> Dave, I know this will end up with a pretty simple install but I
> can't get through the installation directions in SL2-96 which is
> all that came with the unit. Table 2 on page 7 of 39 has a table
> that I'm having trouble getting past. I can't figure out which
> one applies... and one option (that probably doesn't apply) shows
> a jumper that's required on the starter switch.
>
> I'm going to get my head wrapped around this at some point but
> sure would like to cheat first...
>
> Bill "drinking coffee and looking forward to a full build day"
Watson
>
> Dave Saylor wrote:
>
> Bill,
>
> The SlickStart doesn't really connect to the start switch. It
> gets power from the start relay, and the rest of the wiring is
> to the mags.
>
> The installation instructions don't even have a diagram, just
> a "connect this wire here" kind of thing. I can get you a
> copy on Monday if you need it. If you're trying to get a jump
> on the install, just run a wire from the start solenoid to the
> SlickStart, and a ground. The rest is pretty easy.
>
> F stands for fab, right?
>
> Dave "always enjoying Bill's tag lines" Saylor
>
> On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 3:59 PM, Bill Mauledriver Watson
> <MauleDriver@nc.rr.com <mailto:MauleDriver@nc.rr.com>
> <mailto:MauleDriver@nc.rr.com <mailto:MauleDriver@nc.rr.com>>>
> wrote:
>
> <MauleDriver@nc.rr.com <mailto:MauleDriver@nc.rr.com>
> <mailto:MauleDriver@nc.rr.com <mailto:MauleDriver@nc.rr.com>>>
>
> Does anyone have a wiring diagram for 2 Slick Mags, one
with
> retard, Slick Start, and a key switch they'd be willing to
> share?
> Or something at least close.
>
> Thanks
> Bill "starting the Vetterman exhaust install while still
> trying to
> finish the F-Air-Box" Watson
> and enjoying a fine NC weekend!
>
>
> ==========
>
arget="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List
> ==========
> http://forums.matronics.com
> ==========
> le, List Admin.
> ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
> ==========
>
>
> --
> Dave Saylor
> AirCrafters LLC
> 140 Aviation Way
> Watsonville, CA 95076
> 831-722-9141 Shop
> 831-750-0284 Cell
> *
>
>
> *
>
>
> ==========
> arget="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List
> ==========
> http://forums.matronics.com
> ==========
> le, List Admin.
> ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
> ==========
>
>
> --
> Dave Saylor
> AirCrafters LLC
> 140 Aviation Way
> Watsonville, CA 95076
> 831-722-9141 Shop
> 831-750-0284 Cell
> *
>
>
> *
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