---------------------------------------------------------- RV10-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 09/13/09: 13 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 08:23 AM - Re: Re: Attaching door pins - Clarification (Steven DiNieri) 2. 10:21 AM - Re: Chicken little flight test school - stalls (Robin Marks) 3. 10:21 AM - Re: Chicken little flight test school - stalls (Robin Marks) 4. 02:24 PM - Re: Chicken little flight test school - stalls (Tim Olson) 5. 03:09 PM - Re: Chicken little flight test school - stalls (Bob Turner) 6. 04:15 PM - Re: Re: Chicken little flight test school - stalls (David McNeill) 7. 04:43 PM - Infinity grip wiring. (aerosport1) 8. 05:49 PM - Re: Wiring diagram for Slick Start with 2 Slick Mags (Rene) 9. 07:09 PM - Re: Wiring diagram for Slick Start with 2 Slick Mags (Bill Mauledriver Watson) 10. 07:25 PM - Re: Wiring diagram for Slick Start with 2 Slick Mags (Kelly McMullen) 11. 07:43 PM - Re: Wiring diagram for Slick Start with 2 Slick Mags (Rene) 12. 07:44 PM - Re: Wiring diagram for Slick Start with 2 Slick Mags (Rene) 13. 08:10 PM - Re: Wiring diagram for Slick Start with 2 Slick Mags (Rene) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 08:23:57 AM PST US From: "Steven DiNieri" Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Attaching door pins - Clarification LES, technically, the threads formed inside the door rods (with a tap) are not formed with the correct minor diameter because the inside diameter is not quite small enough. But, there is still plenty of "meat" for the threads to form on the rods. this will cause the magnetic tip to seem sloppy when screwing it on. once the shoulders mate, and cinched together the slop will disappear. If you think you need a little more: once the length is established there should be no reason to remove the bullet ends, so maybe a jb weld or structural epoxy would be a better choice over locktite. (not very good at filling voids) Also (another option) I've found that replacing the door rods with hard steel brake lines from napa worked well . the walls are thicker so they tap out to a tighter fit . Steve IFLYRV10.COM -------------------------------------------------- From: "Les Kearney" . Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2009 1:57 PM Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Attaching door pins - Clarification > > John > > The door pins I am referring to are the RivetHead door pins that contain > magnets. They screw into the end of the C-1011 and C-1012 latch pins. The > C-1011 and C-1012 are the forward / aft tubes that extend into the door > frame when latching. > > I have tapped my tubes but the threads seem "loose" although they do hold > properly when the door pins are fully screwed on. Perhaps this is because > of > the course nature of the threads. > > Cheers > > Les > #40643 - living in fibreglass hell > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of johngoodman > Sent: September-12-09 8:26 AM > To: rv10-list@matronics.com > Subject: RV10-List: Re: Attaching door pins > > > Les, > You said the threads seemed somewhat loose - are you referring to the nut > wobbling on the threads, or the grip part of the bolt wobbling in the > hinges? I would think that a lock nut on an AN bolt would be pretty firm. > John > > -------- > #40572 QB Fuselage, wings finished. Finish Kit progressing. Engine & > Panel delivery soon. > N711JG reserved > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=262697#262697 > > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 10:21:47 AM PST US Subject: RE: RV10-List: Chicken little flight test school - stalls From: "Robin Marks" I am right where Don is... 80 hours (and counting). I have done a TON of stalls in many different configurations to TRY and program my Dynon AOA. Single pilot and or low fuel two pilot with power on stalls it feels you have to stand it on its tail. I am not sure what one would have to be thinking to actually stall and RV-10 with power on in flight. Power off still takes a fair amount of effort and what seems like really low speed high angle of attack. The buffeting & stalls are obvious and straight forward (to me). The only reason the -10 tends to fall off to one side or the other is if you spend so much time trying to get the stall to occur that you are looking up at the blue sky and lose directional orientation. Regardless the recovery is straight forward. Review your stall recovery procedures, do it with a skilled friend or instructor if need be. The -10 is very docile and predictable... Like any RV. Robin From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Don McDonald Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2009 11:04 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Chicken little flight test school - stalls Very tame, even for someone with my limited experience. Don't have the numbers here at home though. Don McDonald 75 hours and counting. --- On Sat, 9/12/09, AirMike wrote: From: AirMike Subject: RV10-List: Chicken little flight test school - stalls To: rv10-list@matronics.com Date: Saturday, September 12, 2009, 10:35 PM > Getting ready to test envelope doing some stalls in different configurations. I would appreciate some info on your stall speeds and if your RV10 shows a tendency to break in either direction (rt or left) -------- OSH '10 or Bust Q/B Kit - phase 1 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.phpsp; --> http://foru - List Contribution We -Matt Dralle, List m/contribution" target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 09/13/09 05:50:00 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 10:21:47 AM PST US Subject: RE: RV10-List: Chicken little flight test school - stalls From: "Robin Marks" Oh, I forgot to add the obvious. Practice at altitude! Robin ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 02:24:54 PM PST US From: Tim Olson Subject: Re: RV10-List: Chicken little flight test school - stalls Robin's 100% right. I've always wondered why I bother to practice full power-on stalls in the -10...you would never have one happen inadvertently....all of your belongings in the plane would already have fallen into the baggage area you'd be facing so far up. There's nothing to fear in practicing stalls in the -10, it's as simple as it gets. Here are some photos for your enjoyment. http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/flights/20080414/index.html Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD Robin Marks wrote: > I am right where Don is 80 hours (and counting). I have done a TON of > stalls in many different configurations to TRY and program my Dynon AOA. > Single pilot and or low fuel two pilot with power on stalls it feels you > have to stand it on its tail. I am not sure what one would have to be > thinking to actually stall and RV-10 with power on in flight. Power off > still takes a fair amount of effort and what seems like really low speed > high angle of attack. The buffeting & stalls are obvious and straight > forward (to me). The only reason the -10 tends to fall off to one side > or the other is if you spend so much time trying to get the stall to > occur that you are looking up at the blue sky and lose directional > orientation. Regardless the recovery is straight forward. > > Review your stall recovery procedures, do it with a skilled friend or > instructor if need be. The -10 is very docile and predictable Like any RV. > > > > Robin > > > > > > *From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Don McDonald > *Sent:* Saturday, September 12, 2009 11:04 PM > *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com > *Subject:* Re: RV10-List: Chicken little flight test school - stalls > > > > Very tame, even for someone with my limited experience. Don't have the > numbers here at home though. > > Don McDonald > > 75 hours and counting. > > --- On *Sat, 9/12/09, AirMike //* wrote: > > > From: AirMike > Subject: RV10-List: Chicken little flight test school - stalls > To: rv10-list@matronics.com > Date: Saturday, September 12, 2009, 10:35 PM > > > > > Getting ready to test envelope doing some stalls in different > configurations. I would appreciate some info on your stall speeds > and if your RV10 shows a tendency to break in either direction (rt > or left) > > -------- > OSH '10 or Bust > Q/B Kit - phase 1 > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.phpsp; --> > http://foru > - List Contribution We -Matt > Dralle, List m/contribution" > target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution > * > > > * > > > > * * > > * * > > ** > > ** > > ** > > ** > > ** > > ** > > *http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List* > > ** > > ** > > ** > > *http://forums.matronics.com* > > ** > > ** > > ** > > ** > > *http://www.matronics.com/contribution* > > ** > > * * > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > 09/13/09 05:50:00 > > * > > > * ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 03:09:00 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: Chicken little flight test school - stalls From: "Bob Turner" "...you would never have one happen inadvertently..." There are other planes (e.g., Cessna 182) where you wonder how anyone could inadvertently stall it - yet they do. I think what you meant was that such stalls seldom happen in the typical configuration in which they are taught and practiced. This, IMHO, is a deficiency in the typical instructional methods used (and endorsed by the FAA thru the PTS). Power on stalls happen during steep climbing turns, or high altitude climbs in IMC, or at night, or "trim stalls" following go-arounds when the trim is strongly nose-up, or during the pull up from a buzzing incident, or.... And of course it's a lot easier (lower control pressures) to do at aft cg loadings. -------- Bob Turner RV-10 QB Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=262826#262826 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 04:15:25 PM PST US From: "David McNeill" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Chicken little flight test school - stalls I concur that the PTS scenario is unlikely. The best way to counteract the IMC/night maximum climbing turn stall is the integration of pitch instruments and outside references when available. One method is training that begins flight maneuvers using one set of references and confirms it with the other. For example a steep climbing turn might be begun using outside references but the inside references on the PFD or other instruments are used to confirm the aircraft is performing as desired. Probably the easiest "inadvertent situation" to design is the trim induced steep climb. Allow the student to approach with minimum power, maximum flaps and trim the pressure off. A Go Around is ordered and the student will probably add climb power and experience the extra back pressure on the stick from the increased power. If allowed, the trim condition could become a critical situation. On one occasion I had a student go missed because of low scud; he brought the power up and avoided the trim problem by saying the engine sounded good (high rpm) but MAP was about 15" , considerably less than climb power. The key to all these situations is the integration of both inside and outside references. If VMC, make the outside look right and then confirm by the PFD etc that the aircraft is doing what you commanded it to do by your control inputs. These steep maneuvers can be practiced at altitude as chandelles and power off approaches with full up trim at 3500+ AGL. -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob Turner Sent: Sunday, September 13, 2009 3:09 PM Subject: RV10-List: Re: Chicken little flight test school - stalls "...you would never have one happen inadvertently..." There are other planes (e.g., Cessna 182) where you wonder how anyone could inadvertently stall it - yet they do. I think what you meant was that such stalls seldom happen in the typical configuration in which they are taught and practiced. This, IMHO, is a deficiency in the typical instructional methods used (and endorsed by the FAA thru the PTS). Power on stalls happen during steep climbing turns, or high altitude climbs in IMC, or at night, or "trim stalls" following go-arounds when the trim is strongly nose-up, or during the pull up from a buzzing incident, or.... And of course it's a lot easier (lower control pressures) to do at aft cg loadings. -------- Bob Turner RV-10 QB Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=262826#262826 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 04:43:33 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Infinity grip wiring. From: "aerosport1" I am looking for some good ways to simplify the wiring between the Infinity grips, Trim servos, Efis display and safety trim. I have seen some photos that showed using sub D plugs or other types that had a junction box or strip under the seats. Any help or ideas out there. Photos would be great. Thanks Geoff N829GW -------- Geoff Combs RV-10 QB N829GW Finishing Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=262837#262837 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 05:49:23 PM PST US From: "Rene" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Wiring diagram for Slick Start with 2 Slick Mags Here is what I used to wire mine. I have attached the key switch instructions and the pages from the Slick manual. Between the two, I figured it out. Let me know if you have any questions....I will keep the documentation here at home this week. Rene' 801-721-6080 -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Mauledriver Watson Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 4:59 PM Subject: RV10-List: Wiring diagram for Slick Start with 2 Slick Mags Does anyone have a wiring diagram for 2 Slick Mags, one with retard, Slick Start, and a key switch they'd be willing to share? Or something at least close. Thanks Bill "starting the Vetterman exhaust install while still trying to finish the F-Air-Box" Watson and enjoying a fine NC weekend! ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 07:09:32 PM PST US From: Bill Mauledriver Watson Subject: Re: RV10-List: Wiring diagram for Slick Start with 2 Slick Mags I found this which describes my configuration exactly http://alturl.com/dgvt The only difference between what is described above and Fig 3 on page 12 of SL2-96 is the connection of terminal 3 to the "left mag retard breaker terminal". Any thoughts? I'm still staring at this stuff. Bill "otherwise cruising along with the FWF work" Watson Dave Saylor wrote: > Bill, > > Table 2 sucks. They make it sound like those are all the possible > combinations, but my setup, for example, isn't listed in Table 2. I > have zero impulse couplings, zero start vibrators, one regular mag, > and one retard mag. I wired mine like Figure 3 on page 12 of this > version: > > b2b.unisonindustries.com/pdf/marketing_literature/SL2-96(E).pdf > > > I couldn't find anything that talks about a jumper, but if you point > it out I might be able to help clarify that. I suspect that they want > it to ground the other mag during start. > > There's another pub from Unison that says not to connect the same > SlickStart to both mags. I guess they found a possible failure that > can ground both mags at the same time, or at least they're guarding > against the possibility. Good insurance, and mine starts fine on one mag. > > Dave > > On Sat, Sep 12, 2009 at 6:21 PM, Bill Mauledriver Watson > > wrote: > > > > > Yes, Freak'n Fabulous that FAB is. > > Dave, I know this will end up with a pretty simple install but I > can't get through the installation directions in SL2-96 which is > all that came with the unit. Table 2 on page 7 of 39 has a table > that I'm having trouble getting past. I can't figure out which > one applies... and one option (that probably doesn't apply) shows > a jumper that's required on the starter switch. > > I'm going to get my head wrapped around this at some point but > sure would like to cheat first... > > Bill "drinking coffee and looking forward to a full build day" Watson > > Dave Saylor wrote: > > Bill, > > The SlickStart doesn't really connect to the start switch. It > gets power from the start relay, and the rest of the wiring is > to the mags. > > The installation instructions don't even have a diagram, just > a "connect this wire here" kind of thing. I can get you a > copy on Monday if you need it. If you're trying to get a jump > on the install, just run a wire from the start solenoid to the > SlickStart, and a ground. The rest is pretty easy. > > F stands for fab, right? > > Dave "always enjoying Bill's tag lines" Saylor > > On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 3:59 PM, Bill Mauledriver Watson > > >> > wrote: > > > >> > > Does anyone have a wiring diagram for 2 Slick Mags, one with > retard, Slick Start, and a key switch they'd be willing to > share? > Or something at least close. > > Thanks > Bill "starting the Vetterman exhaust install while still > trying to > finish the F-Air-Box" Watson > and enjoying a fine NC weekend! > > > ========== > arget="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List > ========== > http://forums.matronics.com > ========== > le, List Admin. > ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > ========== > > > -- > Dave Saylor > AirCrafters LLC > 140 Aviation Way > Watsonville, CA 95076 > 831-722-9141 Shop > 831-750-0284 Cell > * > > > * > > > ========== > arget="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List > ========== > http://forums.matronics.com > ========== > le, List Admin. > ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > ========== > > > -- > Dave Saylor > AirCrafters LLC > 140 Aviation Way > Watsonville, CA 95076 > 831-722-9141 Shop > 831-750-0284 Cell > * > > > * ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 07:25:30 PM PST US From: Kelly McMullen Subject: Re: RV10-List: Wiring diagram for Slick Start with 2 Slick Mags Given that retard breaker mags were originally used with Bendix "Shower of Sparks" setups, that had a vibrator to produce the alternating current; I'd suggest looking at the wiring diagram for that. I believe Bob Nuckolls has a diagram or two up on his AeroElectric site. Otherwise, I have one for a Mooney with that setup. Bill Mauledriver Watson wrote: > > > I found this which describes my configuration exactly > http://alturl.com/dgvt > The only difference between what is described above and Fig 3 on page 12 > of SL2-96 is the connection of terminal 3 to the "left mag retard > breaker terminal". > > Any thoughts? I'm still staring at this stuff. > > Bill "otherwise cruising along with the FWF work" Watson > > > Dave Saylor wrote: >> Bill, >> >> Table 2 sucks. They make it sound like those are all the possible >> combinations, but my setup, for example, isn't listed in Table 2. I >> have zero impulse couplings, zero start vibrators, one regular mag, >> and one retard mag. I wired mine like Figure 3 on page 12 of this >> version: >> >> b2b.unisonindustries.com/pdf/marketing_literature/SL2-96(E).pdf >> >> >> >> I couldn't find anything that talks about a jumper, but if you point >> it out I might be able to help clarify that. I suspect that they want >> it to ground the other mag during start. >> >> There's another pub from Unison that says not to connect the same >> SlickStart to both mags. I guess they found a possible failure that >> can ground both mags at the same time, or at least they're guarding >> against the possibility. Good insurance, and mine starts fine on one >> mag. >> >> Dave >> >> On Sat, Sep 12, 2009 at 6:21 PM, Bill Mauledriver Watson >> > wrote: >> >> > >> >> Yes, Freak'n Fabulous that FAB is. >> >> Dave, I know this will end up with a pretty simple install but I >> can't get through the installation directions in SL2-96 which is >> all that came with the unit. Table 2 on page 7 of 39 has a table >> that I'm having trouble getting past. I can't figure out which >> one applies... and one option (that probably doesn't apply) shows >> a jumper that's required on the starter switch. >> >> I'm going to get my head wrapped around this at some point but >> sure would like to cheat first... >> >> Bill "drinking coffee and looking forward to a full build day" Watson >> >> Dave Saylor wrote: >> >> Bill, >> >> The SlickStart doesn't really connect to the start switch. It >> gets power from the start relay, and the rest of the wiring is >> to the mags. >> >> The installation instructions don't even have a diagram, just >> a "connect this wire here" kind of thing. I can get you a >> copy on Monday if you need it. If you're trying to get a jump >> on the install, just run a wire from the start solenoid to the >> SlickStart, and a ground. The rest is pretty easy. >> >> F stands for fab, right? >> >> Dave "always enjoying Bill's tag lines" Saylor >> >> On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 3:59 PM, Bill Mauledriver Watson >> >> >> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> Does anyone have a wiring diagram for 2 Slick Mags, one with >> retard, Slick Start, and a key switch they'd be willing to >> share? >> Or something at least close. >> >> Thanks >> Bill "starting the Vetterman exhaust install while still >> trying to >> finish the F-Air-Box" Watson >> and enjoying a fine NC weekend! >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ========== >> arget="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List >> ========== >> http://forums.matronics.com >> ========== >> le, List Admin. >> ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >> ========== >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- Dave Saylor >> AirCrafters LLC >> 140 Aviation Way >> Watsonville, CA 95076 >> 831-722-9141 Shop >> 831-750-0284 Cell >> * >> >> >> * >> >> >> >> >> ========== >> arget="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List >> ========== >> http://forums.matronics.com >> ========== >> le, List Admin. >> ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >> ========== >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Dave Saylor >> AirCrafters LLC >> 140 Aviation Way >> Watsonville, CA 95076 >> 831-722-9141 Shop >> 831-750-0284 Cell >> * >> >> >> * > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 07:43:55 PM PST US From: "Rene" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Wiring diagram for Slick Start with 2 Slick Mags OK, I am no expert....but this is my best guess......... Pin one grounds the Left mag capacitor stud for starting...... Pin two does nothing Pin three provides excitation voltage to the retard breaker whenever the starter is engaged. Vin powers the unit only when the starter is engaged GND ....ground for the unit. When using a standard off, right, left, both, start.....starter switch, the right mag is grounded when the key is in the start position. Note, the note to jumper the GND and R... "JUMPER Use when lef mag is retard or breaker mag or has impulse coupling." (See install of acs A-510-2 ignition switch. On back of key switch. L goes to Left mag capacitor (used to ground left mag) LR (Not used) R goes to Right mag capacitor (used to ground Right mag) S goes to start solenoid BO (Not used) Bat goes to battery GND to ground I will see if I can dig up the key wiring......I remember seeing it somewhere. Rene' 801-721-6080 -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Mauledriver Watson Sent: Sunday, September 13, 2009 8:08 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Wiring diagram for Slick Start with 2 Slick Mags I found this which describes my configuration exactly http://alturl.com/dgvt The only difference between what is described above and Fig 3 on page 12 of SL2-96 is the connection of terminal 3 to the "left mag retard breaker terminal". Any thoughts? I'm still staring at this stuff. Bill "otherwise cruising along with the FWF work" Watson Dave Saylor wrote: > Bill, > > Table 2 sucks. They make it sound like those are all the possible > combinations, but my setup, for example, isn't listed in Table 2. I > have zero impulse couplings, zero start vibrators, one regular mag, > and one retard mag. I wired mine like Figure 3 on page 12 of this > version: > > b2b.unisonindustries.com/pdf/marketing_literature/SL2-96(E).pdf > > > I couldn't find anything that talks about a jumper, but if you point > it out I might be able to help clarify that. I suspect that they want > it to ground the other mag during start. > > There's another pub from Unison that says not to connect the same > SlickStart to both mags. I guess they found a possible failure that > can ground both mags at the same time, or at least they're guarding > against the possibility. Good insurance, and mine starts fine on one mag. > > Dave > > On Sat, Sep 12, 2009 at 6:21 PM, Bill Mauledriver Watson > > wrote: > > > > > Yes, Freak'n Fabulous that FAB is. > > Dave, I know this will end up with a pretty simple install but I > can't get through the installation directions in SL2-96 which is > all that came with the unit. Table 2 on page 7 of 39 has a table > that I'm having trouble getting past. I can't figure out which > one applies... and one option (that probably doesn't apply) shows > a jumper that's required on the starter switch. > > I'm going to get my head wrapped around this at some point but > sure would like to cheat first... > > Bill "drinking coffee and looking forward to a full build day" Watson > > Dave Saylor wrote: > > Bill, > > The SlickStart doesn't really connect to the start switch. It > gets power from the start relay, and the rest of the wiring is > to the mags. > > The installation instructions don't even have a diagram, just > a "connect this wire here" kind of thing. I can get you a > copy on Monday if you need it. If you're trying to get a jump > on the install, just run a wire from the start solenoid to the > SlickStart, and a ground. The rest is pretty easy. > > F stands for fab, right? > > Dave "always enjoying Bill's tag lines" Saylor > > On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 3:59 PM, Bill Mauledriver Watson > > >> > wrote: > > > >> > > Does anyone have a wiring diagram for 2 Slick Mags, one with > retard, Slick Start, and a key switch they'd be willing to > share? > Or something at least close. > > Thanks > Bill "starting the Vetterman exhaust install while still > trying to > finish the F-Air-Box" Watson > and enjoying a fine NC weekend! > > > ========== > arget="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List > ========== > http://forums.matronics.com > ========== > le, List Admin. > ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > ========== > > > -- > Dave Saylor > AirCrafters LLC > 140 Aviation Way > Watsonville, CA 95076 > 831-722-9141 Shop > 831-750-0284 Cell > * > > > * > > > ========== > arget="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List > ========== > http://forums.matronics.com > ========== > le, List Admin. > ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > ========== > > > -- > Dave Saylor > AirCrafters LLC > 140 Aviation Way > Watsonville, CA 95076 > 831-722-9141 Shop > 831-750-0284 Cell > * > > > * ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 07:44:10 PM PST US From: "Rene" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Wiring diagram for Slick Start with 2 Slick Mags The instructions that I sent in the earlier e-mail are for a shower of sparks setup.....pretty sure. :) Rene' 801-721-6080 -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kelly McMullen Sent: Sunday, September 13, 2009 8:24 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Wiring diagram for Slick Start with 2 Slick Mags Given that retard breaker mags were originally used with Bendix "Shower of Sparks" setups, that had a vibrator to produce the alternating current; I'd suggest looking at the wiring diagram for that. I believe Bob Nuckolls has a diagram or two up on his AeroElectric site. Otherwise, I have one for a Mooney with that setup. Bill Mauledriver Watson wrote: > > > I found this which describes my configuration exactly > http://alturl.com/dgvt > The only difference between what is described above and Fig 3 on page 12 > of SL2-96 is the connection of terminal 3 to the "left mag retard > breaker terminal". > > Any thoughts? I'm still staring at this stuff. > > Bill "otherwise cruising along with the FWF work" Watson > > > Dave Saylor wrote: >> Bill, >> >> Table 2 sucks. They make it sound like those are all the possible >> combinations, but my setup, for example, isn't listed in Table 2. I >> have zero impulse couplings, zero start vibrators, one regular mag, >> and one retard mag. I wired mine like Figure 3 on page 12 of this >> version: >> >> b2b.unisonindustries.com/pdf/marketing_literature/SL2-96(E).pdf >> >> >> >> I couldn't find anything that talks about a jumper, but if you point >> it out I might be able to help clarify that. I suspect that they want >> it to ground the other mag during start. >> >> There's another pub from Unison that says not to connect the same >> SlickStart to both mags. I guess they found a possible failure that >> can ground both mags at the same time, or at least they're guarding >> against the possibility. Good insurance, and mine starts fine on one >> mag. >> >> Dave >> >> On Sat, Sep 12, 2009 at 6:21 PM, Bill Mauledriver Watson >> > wrote: >> >> > >> >> Yes, Freak'n Fabulous that FAB is. >> >> Dave, I know this will end up with a pretty simple install but I >> can't get through the installation directions in SL2-96 which is >> all that came with the unit. Table 2 on page 7 of 39 has a table >> that I'm having trouble getting past. I can't figure out which >> one applies... and one option (that probably doesn't apply) shows >> a jumper that's required on the starter switch. >> >> I'm going to get my head wrapped around this at some point but >> sure would like to cheat first... >> >> Bill "drinking coffee and looking forward to a full build day" Watson >> >> Dave Saylor wrote: >> >> Bill, >> >> The SlickStart doesn't really connect to the start switch. It >> gets power from the start relay, and the rest of the wiring is >> to the mags. >> >> The installation instructions don't even have a diagram, just >> a "connect this wire here" kind of thing. I can get you a >> copy on Monday if you need it. If you're trying to get a jump >> on the install, just run a wire from the start solenoid to the >> SlickStart, and a ground. The rest is pretty easy. >> >> F stands for fab, right? >> >> Dave "always enjoying Bill's tag lines" Saylor >> >> On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 3:59 PM, Bill Mauledriver Watson >> >> >> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> Does anyone have a wiring diagram for 2 Slick Mags, one with >> retard, Slick Start, and a key switch they'd be willing to >> share? >> Or something at least close. >> >> Thanks >> Bill "starting the Vetterman exhaust install while still >> trying to >> finish the F-Air-Box" Watson >> and enjoying a fine NC weekend! >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ========== >> arget="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List >> ========== >> http://forums.matronics.com >> ========== >> le, List Admin. >> ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >> ========== >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- Dave Saylor >> AirCrafters LLC >> 140 Aviation Way >> Watsonville, CA 95076 >> 831-722-9141 Shop >> 831-750-0284 Cell >> * >> >> >> * >> >> >> >> >> ========== >> arget="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List >> ========== >> http://forums.matronics.com >> ========== >> le, List Admin. >> ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >> ========== >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Dave Saylor >> AirCrafters LLC >> 140 Aviation Way >> Watsonville, CA 95076 >> 831-722-9141 Shop >> 831-750-0284 Cell >> * >> >> >> * > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 08:10:12 PM PST US From: "Rene" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Wiring diagram for Slick Start with 2 Slick Mags Here is a connection to the Bob N article..... http://www.aeroelectric.com/articles/MagnetoSwitchOptions.pdf Also, I attached a copy of the key switch operation. Note, that in order to get the Right mag grounded during starting, you need to have the jumper. Good luck. Rene' 801-721-6080 -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Mauledriver Watson Sent: Sunday, September 13, 2009 8:08 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Wiring diagram for Slick Start with 2 Slick Mags I found this which describes my configuration exactly http://alturl.com/dgvt The only difference between what is described above and Fig 3 on page 12 of SL2-96 is the connection of terminal 3 to the "left mag retard breaker terminal". Any thoughts? I'm still staring at this stuff. Bill "otherwise cruising along with the FWF work" Watson Dave Saylor wrote: > Bill, > > Table 2 sucks. They make it sound like those are all the possible > combinations, but my setup, for example, isn't listed in Table 2. I > have zero impulse couplings, zero start vibrators, one regular mag, > and one retard mag. I wired mine like Figure 3 on page 12 of this > version: > > b2b.unisonindustries.com/pdf/marketing_literature/SL2-96(E).pdf > > > I couldn't find anything that talks about a jumper, but if you point > it out I might be able to help clarify that. I suspect that they want > it to ground the other mag during start. > > There's another pub from Unison that says not to connect the same > SlickStart to both mags. I guess they found a possible failure that > can ground both mags at the same time, or at least they're guarding > against the possibility. Good insurance, and mine starts fine on one mag. > > Dave > > On Sat, Sep 12, 2009 at 6:21 PM, Bill Mauledriver Watson > > wrote: > > > > > Yes, Freak'n Fabulous that FAB is. > > Dave, I know this will end up with a pretty simple install but I > can't get through the installation directions in SL2-96 which is > all that came with the unit. Table 2 on page 7 of 39 has a table > that I'm having trouble getting past. I can't figure out which > one applies... and one option (that probably doesn't apply) shows > a jumper that's required on the starter switch. > > I'm going to get my head wrapped around this at some point but > sure would like to cheat first... > > Bill "drinking coffee and looking forward to a full build day" Watson > > Dave Saylor wrote: > > Bill, > > The SlickStart doesn't really connect to the start switch. It > gets power from the start relay, and the rest of the wiring is > to the mags. > > The installation instructions don't even have a diagram, just > a "connect this wire here" kind of thing. I can get you a > copy on Monday if you need it. If you're trying to get a jump > on the install, just run a wire from the start solenoid to the > SlickStart, and a ground. The rest is pretty easy. > > F stands for fab, right? > > Dave "always enjoying Bill's tag lines" Saylor > > On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 3:59 PM, Bill Mauledriver Watson > > >> > wrote: > > > >> > > Does anyone have a wiring diagram for 2 Slick Mags, one with > retard, Slick Start, and a key switch they'd be willing to > share? > Or something at least close. > > Thanks > Bill "starting the Vetterman exhaust install while still > trying to > finish the F-Air-Box" Watson > and enjoying a fine NC weekend! > > > ========== > arget="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List > ========== > http://forums.matronics.com > ========== > le, List Admin. > ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > ========== > > > -- > Dave Saylor > AirCrafters LLC > 140 Aviation Way > Watsonville, CA 95076 > 831-722-9141 Shop > 831-750-0284 Cell > * > > > * > > > ========== > arget="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List > ========== > http://forums.matronics.com > ========== > le, List Admin. > ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > ========== > > > -- > Dave Saylor > AirCrafters LLC > 140 Aviation Way > Watsonville, CA 95076 > 831-722-9141 Shop > 831-750-0284 Cell > * > > > * ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message rv10-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/RV10-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/rv10-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/rv10-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.