---------------------------------------------------------- RV10-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 09/14/09: 26 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 06:55 AM - Re: Wiring diagram for Slick Start with 2 Slick Mags (Bill Mauledriver Watson) 2. 07:48 AM - Planning Questions (Perry, Phil) 3. 08:06 AM - Re: Planning Questions (Perry, Phil) 4. 09:04 AM - Re: Infinity grip wiring. (Don McDonald) 5. 09:09 AM - Re: Planning Questions (AirMike) 6. 09:40 AM - Re: Planning Questions (Danny Riggs) 7. 10:21 AM - Re: Planning Questions (nukeflyboy) 8. 10:25 AM - Re: Planning Questions (Bob Leffler) 9. 10:40 AM - Re: Planning Questions (David McNeill) 10. 10:51 AM - Re: Re: Planning Questions (David McNeill) 11. 10:51 AM - Re: Planning Questions (Bill Mauledriver Watson) 12. 10:52 AM - Safety wiring the alternator (Bill Mauledriver Watson) 13. 11:12 AM - Re: Safety wiring the alternator (Jack Phillips) 14. 11:43 AM - Re: Safety wiring the alternator (Dave Saylor) 15. 11:44 AM - Re: Infinity grip wiring. (Geoff Combs) 16. 11:54 AM - Re: Safety wiring the alternator (Michael Kraus) 17. 01:09 PM - Aztec baffle for Rv-10 (Pascal) 18. 04:27 PM - Re: Wiring diagram for Slick Start with 2 Slick Mags (Kelly McMullen) 19. 04:40 PM - Re: Aztec baffle for Rv-10 (Kelly McMullen) 20. 05:00 PM - Do you have a Mac? (Bob Leffler) 21. 05:00 PM - Re: Wiring diagram for Slick Start with 2 Slick Mags (Bill Mauledriver Watson) 22. 06:14 PM - Re: Safety wiring the alternator (tomhanaway) 23. 07:48 PM - Re: Planning Questions (nukeflyboy) 24. 07:56 PM - New Service bulletin for GNS 480(CNX80) (Sheldon Olesen) 25. 08:00 PM - Re: Infinity grip wiring. (nukeflyboy) 26. 09:25 PM - Re: Planning Questions (AirMike) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 06:55:08 AM PST US From: Bill Mauledriver Watson Subject: Re: RV10-List: Wiring diagram for Slick Start with 2 Slick Mags Rene, I think you gave me exactly the configuration I need to go with. Thanks for the key switch function matrix - that's one I didn't have though I have the wiring diagram and do understand how it should be wired now. I'm a bit amazed at the nature of the documentation surrounding the Slick Start and Mags in general. I'm now aware of 2 distinctly different service letters, several versions of the Slick Start unit itself (pin 2 is labeled but gone), and for SL2-96, there's a revision E and F that are distinctly different. Handling all these legacy setups in the certified aircraft environment looks really challenging for the manufacturers. For anyone with a stock 540 from Vans, with 2 Slick mags (no electronic ignition), and the standard key switch from Spruce, it appears you need to add the Slick Start module to the setup (which is not included in the FWF kit nor with the engine, nor is it doc'd anywhere I've found), and you need to wire it as described below. At least that's the conclusion I've come to with a lot of help from quite a few. Thanks all, Bill "developing a true fondness for my Lycosaur and its legacy technologies" Watson Rene wrote: > > OK, I am no expert....but this is my best guess......... > > Pin one grounds the Left mag capacitor stud for starting...... > Pin two does nothing > Pin three provides excitation voltage to the retard breaker whenever the > starter is engaged. > Vin powers the unit only when the starter is engaged > GND ....ground for the unit. > > When using a standard off, right, left, both, start.....starter switch, the > right mag is grounded when the key is in the start position. Note, the note > to jumper the GND and R... "JUMPER Use when lef mag is retard or breaker mag > or has impulse coupling." (See install of acs A-510-2 ignition switch. > > On back of key switch. > > L goes to Left mag capacitor (used to ground left mag) > LR (Not used) > R goes to Right mag capacitor (used to ground Right mag) > S goes to start solenoid > BO (Not used) > Bat goes to battery > GND to ground > > I will see if I can dig up the key wiring......I remember seeing it > somewhere. > > Rene' > 801-721-6080 > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Mauledriver > Watson > Sent: Sunday, September 13, 2009 8:08 PM > To: rv10-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: RV10-List: Wiring diagram for Slick Start with 2 Slick Mags > > > > I found this which describes my configuration exactly > http://alturl.com/dgvt > The only difference between what is described above and Fig 3 on page 12 > of SL2-96 is the connection of terminal 3 to the "left mag retard > breaker terminal". > > Any thoughts? I'm still staring at this stuff. > > Bill "otherwise cruising along with the FWF work" Watson > > > Dave Saylor wrote: > >> Bill, >> >> Table 2 sucks. They make it sound like those are all the possible >> combinations, but my setup, for example, isn't listed in Table 2. I >> have zero impulse couplings, zero start vibrators, one regular mag, >> and one retard mag. I wired mine like Figure 3 on page 12 of this >> version: >> >> b2b.unisonindustries.com/pdf/marketing_literature/SL2-96(E).pdf >> >> > > >> I couldn't find anything that talks about a jumper, but if you point >> it out I might be able to help clarify that. I suspect that they want >> it to ground the other mag during start. >> >> There's another pub from Unison that says not to connect the same >> SlickStart to both mags. I guess they found a possible failure that >> can ground both mags at the same time, or at least they're guarding >> against the possibility. Good insurance, and mine starts fine on one mag. >> >> Dave >> >> On Sat, Sep 12, 2009 at 6:21 PM, Bill Mauledriver Watson >> > wrote: >> >> > >> >> Yes, Freak'n Fabulous that FAB is. >> >> Dave, I know this will end up with a pretty simple install but I >> can't get through the installation directions in SL2-96 which is >> all that came with the unit. Table 2 on page 7 of 39 has a table >> that I'm having trouble getting past. I can't figure out which >> one applies... and one option (that probably doesn't apply) shows >> a jumper that's required on the starter switch. >> >> I'm going to get my head wrapped around this at some point but >> sure would like to cheat first... >> >> Bill "drinking coffee and looking forward to a full build day" Watson >> >> Dave Saylor wrote: >> >> Bill, >> >> The SlickStart doesn't really connect to the start switch. It >> gets power from the start relay, and the rest of the wiring is >> to the mags. >> >> The installation instructions don't even have a diagram, just >> a "connect this wire here" kind of thing. I can get you a >> copy on Monday if you need it. If you're trying to get a jump >> on the install, just run a wire from the start solenoid to the >> SlickStart, and a ground. The rest is pretty easy. >> >> F stands for fab, right? >> >> Dave "always enjoying Bill's tag lines" Saylor >> >> On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 3:59 PM, Bill Mauledriver Watson >> >> >> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> Does anyone have a wiring diagram for 2 Slick Mags, one with >> retard, Slick Start, and a key switch they'd be willing to >> share? >> Or something at least close. >> >> Thanks >> Bill "starting the Vetterman exhaust install while still >> trying to >> finish the F-Air-Box" Watson >> and enjoying a fine NC weekend! >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ========== >> arget="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List >> ========== >> http://forums.matronics.com >> ========== >> le, List Admin. >> ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >> ========== >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Dave Saylor >> AirCrafters LLC >> 140 Aviation Way >> Watsonville, CA 95076 >> 831-722-9141 Shop >> 831-750-0284 Cell >> * >> >> >> * >> >> >> >> >> ========== >> arget="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List >> ========== >> http://forums.matronics.com >> ========== >> le, List Admin. >> ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >> ========== >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Dave Saylor >> AirCrafters LLC >> 140 Aviation Way >> Watsonville, CA 95076 >> 831-722-9141 Shop >> 831-750-0284 Cell >> * >> >> >> * >> > > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 07:48:30 AM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Planning Questions From: "Perry, Phil" Now that my QB fuse arrived last week, I'm starting to get my mind around some of the systems and how I would like to lay them out. I've got a couple of nagging questions. 1) Electrical - Has anyone developed any creative routes for the wire runs? Or is everyone stilling with the four =BE" holes (2 per side) under the mid-fuse deck. 2) Fuel - Why is everyone choosing the Andair fuel valve? Where's the best place to pick one up? 3) O2 - I was thinking of putting an O2 bottle in the baggage compartment and then routing the lines into the Overhead Console from the rear. Then I could put a quick connect over each seat. Is that acceptable? Do they just hang in your face? I'm just trying to save as much room as I can with this routing, so I can save the space inside the =BE" holes mentioned in #1. Thanks, Phil ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 08:06:15 AM PST US Subject: RE: RV10-List: Planning Questions From: "Perry, Phil" Won day eye wheel learn how two type. Corrections made below. From: Perry, Phil Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 9:48 AM Subject: RV10-List: Planning Questions Now that my QB fuse arrived last week, I'm starting to get my mind around some of the systems and how I would like to lay them out. I've got a couple of nagging questions. 1) Electrical - Has anyone developed any creative routes for the wire runs? Or is everyone sticking with the four =BE" holes (2 per side) under the mid-fuse deck. 2) Fuel - Why is everyone choosing the Andair fuel valve? Where's the best place to pick one up? 3) O2 - I was thinking of putting an O2 bottle in the baggage compartment and then routing the lines into the Overhead Console from the rear. Then I could put a quick connect over each seat. Is that acceptable? Do they just hang in your face? I'm just trying to save as much room as I can with this routing, so I can save the space inside the =BE" holes mentioned in #1. Thanks, Phil ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 09:04:54 AM PST US From: Don McDonald Subject: Re: RV10-List: Infinity grip wiring. Geoff, here's what I did... really simple. Don McDonald --- On Sun, 9/13/09, aerosport1 wrote: From: aerosport1 Subject: RV10-List: Infinity grip wiring. m> I am looking for some good ways to simplify the wiring between the Infinity grips, Trim servos, Efis display and safety trim. I have seen some photos that showed using sub D plugs or other types that had a junction box or str ip under the seats. Any help or ideas out there. Photos would be great. Thanks Geoff N829GW -------- Geoff Combs RV-10 QB N829GW Finishing Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=262837#262837 le, List Admin. =0A=0A=0A ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 09:09:08 AM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: Planning Questions From: "AirMike" Wiring runs are a big deal as is the static line run going from the rear to the panel. Van's pre-wire kit is a pretty good purchase at this point or at least install the #2 wire from the battery/s to the firewall. I also like the idea of installing the static line. Installed a few of the Van's conduits from the rear to the panel area. Put some pull tapes in the conduit to pull thru future wires. Remember the stuff that is in the aft area like the AHARS or Magnetometer, battery, Strobe system controller, aft strobes and antenna wires for Nav, and Com. Do not worry too much as your conduit will help if you forget anything. I also like the idea of an inspection port for the boarding step (see prior post) or to just nut plate the rear panels. -------- OSH '10 or Bust Q/B Kit - phase 1 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=262955#262955 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 09:40:48 AM PST US From: Danny Riggs Subject: RE: RV10-List: Planning Questions I ended up with three holes on the right side and they are packed full of w ire. For some reason I got more running down the right side. If you plan be tter than I did then you'll probably do okay with just 4 holes. The Andair valve is a superb piece of equipment. No comparison. The one supplied in th e kit doesn't look in the same league. The valve is the one thing (okay=2C one of several) that I want to work perfectly every time. Dan Subject: RV10-List: Planning Questions From: Phil.Perry@netapp.com Now that my QB fuse arrived last week=2C I=92m starting to get my mind arou nd some of the systems and how I would like to lay them out. I=92ve got a couple of nagging questions. 1) Electrical ' Has anyone developed any creative routes for the wir e runs? Or is everyone stilling with the four =BE=94 holes (2 per side) un der the mid-fuse deck. 2) Fuel ' Why is everyone choosing the Andair fuel valve? Where=92s the best place to pick one up? 3) O2 ' I was thinking of putting an O2 bottle in the baggage compar tment and then routing the lines into the Overhead Console from the rear. Then I could put a quick connect over each seat. Is that acceptable? Do t hey just hang in your face? I=92m just trying to save as much room as I ca n with this routing=2C so I can save the space inside the =BE=94 holes ment ioned in #1. Thanks=2C Phil _________________________________________________________________ Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 10:21:19 AM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: Planning Questions From: "nukeflyboy" Your best best on the wiring runs is to plan ahead. Figure out your distribution scheme and how many wires you will need to run fore and aft. Then try to separate your power wires from your antenna/headset cables (left side - right side, for example). Keep any other sensitive systems away from strobe power supplies too. Once you have that figured out use all the holes in the fuselage and then drill some more. Protect the wires with grommets. There is nothing wrong with the supplied fuel valve. Mine has worked just fine for 10 years. A lot of folks get the Andair valve just because they like it. Your idea on the O2 will work just fine. The bottle can be mounted in the baggage compartment with a short jumper to a bulkhead fitting into a side panel (not the baggage bulkhead - it needs to be removable). Mountain High has the tubing and fittings to run the connections anywhere while keeping them out of sight behind the side panels or in the overhead console. Other suppliers probably have the same. -------- Dave Moore RV-6 flying RV-10 QB - cabin top/fiberglass hell Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=262968#262968 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 10:25:22 AM PST US From: "Bob Leffler" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Planning Questions Phil, 1. I have one =BE=94 and one 1 =BC=94 conduit on each side going to the back. I also have one =BE=94 on each side going to underneath the rear seats for comm antennas. This picture is on mykitlog site. 2. Because of known issues with the standard Van=92s valve. Unfortunately, the best place to get them is direct from Andair. ACS doesn=92t stock them, but they will special order. The extender costs two arms and a leg. They change about an extra $100 for the extender. 3. That would work. Another alternative is to put one of Geoff Combs=92 Caron Fiber Center Arm Rest Consoles. He has a place inside the arm rest that you can put headset and oxygen jacks with the cables coming out at your waist. I think it solves both problems. Geoff=92s website should be online later this week. Email me if you want more details. bob From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Perry, Phil Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 10:48 AM Subject: RV10-List: Planning Questions Now that my QB fuse arrived last week, I=92m starting to get my mind around some of the systems and how I would like to lay them out. I=92ve got a couple of nagging questions. 1) Electrical ' Has anyone developed any creative routes for the wire runs? Or is everyone stilling with the four =BE=94 holes (2 per side) under the mid-fuse deck. 2) Fuel ' Why is everyone choosing the Andair fuel valve? Where=92s the best place to pick one up? 3) O2 ' I was thinking of putting an O2 bottle in the baggage compartment and then routing the lines into the Overhead Console from the rear. Then I could put a quick connect over each seat. Is that acceptable? Do they just hang in your face? I=92m just trying to save as much room as I can with this routing, so I can save the space inside the =BE=94 holes mentioned in #1. Thanks, Phil __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4424 (20090914) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 10:40:34 AM PST US From: "David McNeill" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Planning Questions If you decide to roll your own electrical system, you might consider the following guidelines (1) standardize on a limited number of wire sizes,; this will result in some wires carrying less than they could but will simplify your purchase of pieces in larger quantities. For example everyone is going to need about 20-25 ft of 002 gauge wire for the runs from the starting battery(ies). Other gauges can be purchased in 100 -500 ft lengths. I used 002, 8 14, 20, shielded 22 in triplets or quads. (2) I chose to run DC down the left side of the aircraft and digital data down the right; obviously there were some exceptions due to location of the devices. (3) For current or future use , both a primary and essential bus should be planned. B&C specialty provides power diodes for separation. (4) For simplicity, each appliance can be controlled by a pull able or toggle breaker. Its a little more expensive but putting multiple devices per breaker and introducing additional switches limits flexibility and increase complication. It also makes troubleshooting more strait forward. (5) Buy/borrow the necessary tools and buy the quality and quantity of terminals, butt connectors , dsub pins, etc. (6) when using connectors and multiple shielded wires, triplets for example, document the use of each colored wire in each set of triplets. (7) I have attached a picture of my primary and essential buses with connecting 35A toggle breaker and power diode. _____ From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Danny Riggs Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 9:37 AM Subject: RE: RV10-List: Planning Questions I ended up with three holes on the right side and they are packed full of wire. For some reason I got more running down the right side. If you plan better than I did then you'll probably do okay with just 4 holes. The Andair valve is a superb piece of equipment. No comparison. The one supplied in the kit doesn't look in the same league. The valve is the one thing (okay, one of several) that I want to work perfectly every time. Dan _____ Subject: RV10-List: Planning Questions From: Phil.Perry@netapp.com Now that my QB fuse arrived last week, I=92m starting to get my mind around some of the systems and how I would like to lay them out. I=92ve got a couple of nagging questions. 1) Electrical ' Has anyone developed any creative routes for the wire runs? Or is everyone stilling with the four =BE=94 holes (2 per side) under the mid-fuse deck. 2) Fuel ' Why is everyone choosing the Andair fuel valve? Where=92s the best place to pick one up? 3) O2 ' I was thinking of putting an O2 bottle in the baggage compartment and then routing the lines into the Overhead Console from the rear. Then I could put a quick connect over each seat. Is that acceptable? Do they just hang in your face? I=92m just trying to save as much room as I can with this routing, so I can save the space inside the =BE=94 holes mentioned in #1. Thanks, Phil ttp://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List ronics.com ww.matronics.com/contribution _____ Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Li/' target='_new'>Sign up now. ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 10:51:24 AM PST US From: "David McNeill" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Planning Questions Watch the weight of the O2 system going aft of the baggage cutoff; unless you have some significant weight forward you will probably run out of aft CG when loading all seats. Consider an extra battery on the firewall, heaviest prop. etc -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of nukeflyboy Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 10:20 AM Subject: RV10-List: Re: Planning Questions Your best best on the wiring runs is to plan ahead. Figure out your distribution scheme and how many wires you will need to run fore and aft. Then try to separate your power wires from your antenna/headset cables (left side - right side, for example). Keep any other sensitive systems away from strobe power supplies too. Once you have that figured out use all the holes in the fuselage and then drill some more. Protect the wires with grommets. There is nothing wrong with the supplied fuel valve. Mine has worked just fine for 10 years. A lot of folks get the Andair valve just because they like it. Your idea on the O2 will work just fine. The bottle can be mounted in the baggage compartment with a short jumper to a bulkhead fitting into a side panel (not the baggage bulkhead - it needs to be removable). Mountain High has the tubing and fittings to run the connections anywhere while keeping them out of sight behind the side panels or in the overhead console. Other suppliers probably have the same. -------- Dave Moore RV-6 flying RV-10 QB - cabin top/fiberglass hell Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=262968#262968 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 10:51:56 AM PST US From: Bill Mauledriver Watson Subject: Re: RV10-List: Planning Questions Wiring wise, what I did was get a copy of the Van's wiring kit and parts list, use their plan as a starting point. Since I did a 2 batt, 2 alt, Z-14, I basically doubled the Vans plan. Then laid in 2 empty conduits that I couldn't figure out how to use. They are both now in use since installing a GRT AHRS, Magnetometer, re-running the static line, and other misc decisions. The Van's plans keep turning out to be extremely valuable for this newbie - used it last night for FWF wiring ideas. For electrical, buy an assortment of Adel clamps and those plastic grommets. Beats trying to anticipate your next design decision. I think I'll regret not putting in access doors for the steps. I bought 2 extra access hatch kits (for the stall warning access) to do the job but got lazy. Look at Vans Strobe power supply kit and AHRS kit for easy installation of those things back by the battery. The Andair valve is REAL NICE in all respects; except, it may not be easy to get exactly what you want, when you want it from the manufacturer. They're a bit sluggish. You have to do some designing and thinking around the valve though. Bill "working but dreaming of building" Watson 40605 Perry, Phil wrote: > > Now that my QB fuse arrived last week, Im starting to get my mind > around some of the systems and how I would like to lay them out. > > Ive got a couple of nagging questions. > > 1) Electrical Has anyone developed any creative routes for the wire > runs? Or is everyone stilling with the four holes (2 per side) > under the mid-fuse deck. > > 2) Fuel Why is everyone choosing the Andair fuel valve? Wheres the > best place to pick one up? > > 3) O2 I was thinking of putting an O2 bottle in the baggage > compartment and then routing the lines into the Overhead Console from > the rear. Then I could put a quick connect over each seat. Is that > acceptable? Do they just hang in your face? Im just trying to save as > much room as I can with this routing, so I can save the space inside > the holes mentioned in #1. > > Thanks, > > Phil > > * > > > * ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 10:52:29 AM PST US From: Bill Mauledriver Watson Subject: RV10-List: Safety wiring the alternator I'm fitting up the alternator and it's belt tensioning bracket (a 40amp from B&C). The bolts are drilled for safety wire but the 2 bolts are like 8" apart. Do I just run the safety wire between the 2 bolts? Seems long but there are no other obvious tie-off points. Bill "FWF" Watson ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 11:12:29 AM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Safety wiring the alternator Shouldn't be a problem. Just get good twist on the wires. There are several places on my RV-4 with that large a gap in the safety wire. I assume the bolts are going into threads on the mount? If nuts are used, just use locknuts (all-metal, due to temperature considerations in the engine compartment). Jack Phillips #40610 Wings -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Mauledriver Watson Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 1:50 PM Subject: RV10-List: Safety wiring the alternator I'm fitting up the alternator and it's belt tensioning bracket (a 40amp from B&C). The bolts are drilled for safety wire but the 2 bolts are like 8" apart. Do I just run the safety wire between the 2 bolts? Seems long but there are no other obvious tie-off points. Bill "FWF" Watson ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 11:43:59 AM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: Safety wiring the alternator From: Dave Saylor I usually put a 1/16" hole in the bracket to tie the other end of the safety wire to. Dave On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 10:50 AM, Bill Mauledriver Watson < MauleDriver@nc.rr.com> wrote: > MauleDriver@nc.rr.com> > > I'm fitting up the alternator and it's belt tensioning bracket (a 40amp > from B&C). The bolts are drilled for safety wire but the 2 bolts are like > 8" apart. Do I just run the safety wire between the 2 bolts? Seems long > but there are no other obvious tie-off points. > > Bill "FWF" Watson > > -- Dave Saylor AirCrafters LLC 140 Aviation Way Watsonville, CA 95076 831-722-9141 Shop 831-750-0284 Cell ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 11:44:07 AM PST US From: "Geoff Combs" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Infinity grip wiring. Thanks Don That looks like the way to go. I was heading down that path as well. Geoff Geoff Combs President Aerosport Modeling & Design 8090 Howe Industrial Parkway Canal Winchester, Ohio 43110 614-834-5227p 614-834-5230f www.aerosportmodeling.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Don McDonald Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 12:01 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Infinity grip wiring. Geoff, here's what I did... really simple. Don McDonald --- On Sun, 9/13/09, aerosport1 wrote: From: aerosport1 Subject: RV10-List: Infinity grip wiring. > I am looking for some good ways to simplify the wiring between the Infinity grips, Trim servos, Efis display and safety trim. I have seen some photos that showed using sub D plugs or other types that had a junction box or strip under the seats. Any help or ideas out there. Photos would be great. Thanks Geoff N829GW -------- Geoff Combs RV-10 QB N829GW Finishing Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/vibsp; --> http://foru - List Contribution We -Matt Dralle, Listm/contribution" target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 11:54:43 AM PST US From: Michael Kraus Subject: Re: RV10-List: Safety wiring the alternator I drilled small holes in the large steel arm holding the alternator and used shorter safety wire runs.... Sent from my iPhone On Sep 14, 2009, at 2:01 PM, "Jack Phillips" wrote: > > > > Shouldn't be a problem. Just get good twist on the wires. There are > several places on my RV-4 with that large a gap in the safety wire. I > assume the bolts are going into threads on the mount? If nuts are > used, > just use locknuts (all-metal, due to temperature considerations in the > engine compartment). > > Jack Phillips > #40610 > Wings > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill > Mauledriver > Watson > Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 1:50 PM > To: rv10-list@matronics.com > Subject: RV10-List: Safety wiring the alternator > > > > I'm fitting up the alternator and it's belt tensioning bracket (a > 40amp > from B&C). The bolts are drilled for safety wire but the 2 bolts are > like 8" apart. Do I just run the safety wire between the 2 bolts? > Seems long but there are no other obvious tie-off points. > > Bill "FWF" Watson > > ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 01:09:22 PM PST US From: "Pascal" Subject: RV10-List: Aztec baffle for Rv-10 I am getting an overhauled Aztec Engine (IO-540-C4B5.) and it comes with the baffles. Anyone know if I can use the baffles from the Aztec on a RV-10 even if it meant doing modifications? thanks! Pascal ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 04:27:23 PM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: Wiring diagram for Slick Start with 2 Slick Mags From: Kelly McMullen You arrive at this goofy situation, because the certified aircraft the RV-10 engine is derived from, the Comanche 250/260, AFAIK, came with Bendix mags and Bendix vibrator, for "shower of sparks" setup. After Lycoming became a division of Textron, it just wouldn't do to purchase magnetos from a division of Teledyne Continental...Bendix. So they had to switch to Unison Slick. There are enough differences, that when Unison came out with SlickStart, they had to make a separate Bendix version to use with Bendix mags. My understanding is the Bendix version is no longer made. You do have the option of getting the appropriate Bendix vibrator, instead of the Slick Start...but not a lot cheaper. Probably more history than you wanted. On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 6:54 AM, Bill Mauledriver Watson wrote: I'm now aware of 2 distinctly different > service letters, several versions of the Slick Start unit itself (pin 2 is > labeled but gone), and for SL2-96, there's a revision E and F that are > distinctly different. Handling all these legacy setups in the certified > aircraft environment looks really challenging for the manufacturers. > > For anyone with a stock 540 from Vans, with 2 Slick mags (no electronic > ignition), and the standard key switch from Spruce, it appears you need to > add the Slick Start module to the setup (which is not included in the FWF > kit nor with the engine, nor is it doc'd anywhere I've found), and you need > to wire it as described below. At least that's the conclusion I've come to > with a lot of help from quite a few. > > Thanks all, > Bill "developing a true fondness for my Lycosaur and its legacy > technologies" Watson > > Rene wrote: >> >> >> OK, I am no expert....but this is my best guess......... >> >> Pin one grounds the Left mag capacitor stud for starting...... >> Pin two does nothing >> Pin three provides excitation voltage to the retard breaker whenever the >> starter is engaged. >> Vin powers the unit only when the starter is engaged >> GND ....ground for the unit. >> >> When using a standard off, right, left, both, start.....starter switch, >> the >> right mag is grounded when the key is in the start position. Note, the >> note >> to jumper the GND and R... "JUMPER Use when lef mag is retard or breaker >> mag >> or has impulse coupling." (See install of acs A-510-2 ignition switch. >> >> On back of key switch. >> >> L goes to Left mag capacitor (used to ground left mag) >> LR (Not used) >> R goes to Right mag capacitor (used to ground Right mag) >> S goes to start solenoid >> BO (Not used) >> Bat goes to battery >> GND to ground >> >> I will see if I can dig up the key wiring......I remember seeing it >> somewhere. >> >> Rene' >> 801-721-6080 >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com >> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill >> Mauledriver >> Watson >> Sent: Sunday, September 13, 2009 8:08 PM >> To: rv10-list@matronics.com >> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Wiring diagram for Slick Start with 2 Slick Mags >> >> >> >> I found this which describes my configuration exactly >> http://alturl.com/dgvt >> The only difference between what is described above and Fig 3 on page 12 >> of SL2-96 is the connection of terminal 3 to the "left mag retard breaker >> terminal". >> >> Any thoughts? I'm still staring at this stuff. >> >> Bill "otherwise cruising along with the FWF work" Watson >> >> >> Dave Saylor wrote: >> >>> >>> Bill, >>> >>> Table 2 sucks. They make it sound like those are all the possible >>> combinations, but my setup, for example, isn't listed in Table 2. I have >>> zero impulse couplings, zero start vibrators, one regular mag, and one >>> retard mag. I wired mine like Figure 3 on page 12 of this version: >>> >>> b2b.unisonindustries.com/pdf/marketing_literature/SL2-96(E).pdf >>> >> >> >> >> >>> >>> I couldn't find anything that talks about a jumper, but if you point it >>> out I might be able to help clarify that. I suspect that they want it to >>> ground the other mag during start. >>> >>> There's another pub from Unison that says not to connect the same >>> SlickStart to both mags. I guess they found a possible failure that can >>> ground both mags at the same time, or at least they're guarding against the >>> possibility. Good insurance, and mine starts fine on one mag. >>> >>> Dave >>> >>> On Sat, Sep 12, 2009 at 6:21 PM, Bill Mauledriver Watson >>> > wrote: >>> >>> > >>> >>> Yes, Freak'n Fabulous that FAB is. >>> >>> Dave, I know this will end up with a pretty simple install but I >>> can't get through the installation directions in SL2-96 which is >>> all that came with the unit. Table 2 on page 7 of 39 has a table >>> that I'm having trouble getting past. I can't figure out which >>> one applies... and one option (that probably doesn't apply) shows >>> a jumper that's required on the starter switch. >>> >>> I'm going to get my head wrapped around this at some point but >>> sure would like to cheat first... >>> >>> Bill "drinking coffee and looking forward to a full build day" Watson >>> >>> Dave Saylor wrote: >>> >>> Bill, >>> >>> The SlickStart doesn't really connect to the start switch. It >>> gets power from the start relay, and the rest of the wiring is >>> to the mags. >>> >>> The installation instructions don't even have a diagram, just >>> a "connect this wire here" kind of thing. I can get you a >>> copy on Monday if you need it. If you're trying to get a jump >>> on the install, just run a wire from the start solenoid to the >>> SlickStart, and a ground. The rest is pretty easy. >>> >>> F stands for fab, right? >>> >>> Dave "always enjoying Bill's tag lines" Saylor >>> >>> On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 3:59 PM, Bill Mauledriver Watson >>> >>> >> >>> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> Does anyone have a wiring diagram for 2 Slick Mags, one with >>> retard, Slick Start, and a key switch they'd be willing to >>> share? >>> Or something at least close. >>> >>> Thanks >>> Bill "starting the Vetterman exhaust install while still >>> trying to >>> finish the F-Air-Box" Watson >>> and enjoying a fine NC weekend! >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ========== >>> arget="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List >>> ========== >>> http://forums.matronics.com >>> ========== >>> le, List Admin. >>> ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >>> ========== >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- Dave Saylor >>> AirCrafters LLC >>> 140 Aviation Way >>> Watsonville, CA 95076 >>> 831-722-9141 Shop >>> 831-750-0284 Cell >>> * >>> >>> >>> * >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ========== >>> arget="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List >>> ========== >>> http://forums.matronics.com >>> ========== >>> le, List Admin. >>> ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >>> ========== >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Dave Saylor >>> AirCrafters LLC >>> 140 Aviation Way >>> Watsonville, CA 95076 >>> 831-722-9141 Shop >>> 831-750-0284 Cell >>> * >>> >>> >>> * >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 04:40:07 PM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: Aztec baffle for Rv-10 From: Kelly McMullen I wouldn't bank on it. Baffling above the engine is made to fit the specific cowling. The Aztec cowl is very bulbous, compared to the RV cowl. If you don't mind doing a LOT of cutting and fitting, you could do it, but not a real productive use of your time. You can of course use the intercylinder baffles on the bottom of the cylinders. On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 12:57 PM, Pascal wrote: > I am getting an overhauled Aztec Engine (IO-540-C4B5.) and it comes with the > baffles. Anyone know if I can use the baffles from the Aztec on a RV-10 even > if it meant doing modifications? > thanks! > > Pascal > > ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 05:00:19 PM PST US From: "Bob Leffler" Subject: RV10-List: Do you have a Mac? I need to find a couple folks to test a new RV-10 related site. We've come across an issue and need to validate whether or not it's a common Mac issue or localized to one user. If you have a Mac, want to get a sneak peak, and help us identify this issue, please email me off list. Thanks, Bob ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 05:00:53 PM PST US From: Bill Mauledriver Watson Subject: Re: RV10-List: Wiring diagram for Slick Start with 2 Slick Mags No, the more you know, the more you understand. do not archive Kelly McMullen wrote: > > You arrive at this goofy situation, because the certified aircraft the > RV-10 engine is derived from, the Comanche 250/260, AFAIK, came with > Bendix mags and Bendix vibrator, for "shower of sparks" setup. After > Lycoming became a division of Textron, it just wouldn't do to purchase > magnetos from a division of Teledyne Continental...Bendix. > So they had to switch to Unison Slick. There are enough differences, > that when Unison came out with SlickStart, they had to make a separate > Bendix version to use with Bendix mags. My understanding is the Bendix > version is no longer made. You do have the option of getting the > appropriate Bendix vibrator, instead of the Slick Start...but not a > lot cheaper. Probably more history than you wanted. > > On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 6:54 AM, Bill Mauledriver Watson > wrote: > I'm now aware of 2 distinctly different > >> service letters, several versions of the Slick Start unit itself (pin 2 is >> labeled but gone), and for SL2-96, there's a revision E and F that are >> distinctly different. Handling all these legacy setups in the certified >> aircraft environment looks really challenging for the manufacturers. >> >> For anyone with a stock 540 from Vans, with 2 Slick mags (no electronic >> ignition), and the standard key switch from Spruce, it appears you need to >> add the Slick Start module to the setup (which is not included in the FWF >> kit nor with the engine, nor is it doc'd anywhere I've found), and you need >> to wire it as described below. At least that's the conclusion I've come to >> with a lot of help from quite a few. >> >> Thanks all, >> Bill "developing a true fondness for my Lycosaur and its legacy >> technologies" Watson >> >> Rene wrote: >> >>> >>> OK, I am no expert....but this is my best guess......... >>> >>> Pin one grounds the Left mag capacitor stud for starting...... >>> Pin two does nothing >>> Pin three provides excitation voltage to the retard breaker whenever the >>> starter is engaged. >>> Vin powers the unit only when the starter is engaged >>> GND ....ground for the unit. >>> >>> When using a standard off, right, left, both, start.....starter switch, >>> the >>> right mag is grounded when the key is in the start position. Note, the >>> note >>> to jumper the GND and R... "JUMPER Use when lef mag is retard or breaker >>> mag >>> or has impulse coupling." (See install of acs A-510-2 ignition switch. >>> >>> On back of key switch. >>> >>> L goes to Left mag capacitor (used to ground left mag) >>> LR (Not used) >>> R goes to Right mag capacitor (used to ground Right mag) >>> S goes to start solenoid >>> BO (Not used) >>> Bat goes to battery >>> GND to ground >>> >>> I will see if I can dig up the key wiring......I remember seeing it >>> somewhere. >>> >>> Rene' >>> 801-721-6080 >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com >>> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill >>> Mauledriver >>> Watson >>> Sent: Sunday, September 13, 2009 8:08 PM >>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com >>> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Wiring diagram for Slick Start with 2 Slick Mags >>> >>> >>> >>> I found this which describes my configuration exactly >>> http://alturl.com/dgvt >>> The only difference between what is described above and Fig 3 on page 12 >>> of SL2-96 is the connection of terminal 3 to the "left mag retard breaker >>> terminal". >>> >>> Any thoughts? I'm still staring at this stuff. >>> >>> Bill "otherwise cruising along with the FWF work" Watson >>> >>> >>> Dave Saylor wrote: >>> >>> >>>> Bill, >>>> >>>> Table 2 sucks. They make it sound like those are all the possible >>>> combinations, but my setup, for example, isn't listed in Table 2. I have >>>> zero impulse couplings, zero start vibrators, one regular mag, and one >>>> retard mag. I wired mine like Figure 3 on page 12 of this version: >>>> >>>> b2b.unisonindustries.com/pdf/marketing_literature/SL2-96(E).pdf >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> I couldn't find anything that talks about a jumper, but if you point it >>>> out I might be able to help clarify that. I suspect that they want it to >>>> ground the other mag during start. >>>> >>>> There's another pub from Unison that says not to connect the same >>>> SlickStart to both mags. I guess they found a possible failure that can >>>> ground both mags at the same time, or at least they're guarding against the >>>> possibility. Good insurance, and mine starts fine on one mag. >>>> >>>> Dave >>>> >>>> On Sat, Sep 12, 2009 at 6:21 PM, Bill Mauledriver Watson >>>> > wrote: >>>> >>>> > >>>> >>>> Yes, Freak'n Fabulous that FAB is. >>>> >>>> Dave, I know this will end up with a pretty simple install but I >>>> can't get through the installation directions in SL2-96 which is >>>> all that came with the unit. Table 2 on page 7 of 39 has a table >>>> that I'm having trouble getting past. I can't figure out which >>>> one applies... and one option (that probably doesn't apply) shows >>>> a jumper that's required on the starter switch. >>>> >>>> I'm going to get my head wrapped around this at some point but >>>> sure would like to cheat first... >>>> >>>> Bill "drinking coffee and looking forward to a full build day" Watson >>>> >>>> Dave Saylor wrote: >>>> >>>> Bill, >>>> >>>> The SlickStart doesn't really connect to the start switch. It >>>> gets power from the start relay, and the rest of the wiring is >>>> to the mags. >>>> >>>> The installation instructions don't even have a diagram, just >>>> a "connect this wire here" kind of thing. I can get you a >>>> copy on Monday if you need it. If you're trying to get a jump >>>> on the install, just run a wire from the start solenoid to the >>>> SlickStart, and a ground. The rest is pretty easy. >>>> >>>> F stands for fab, right? >>>> >>>> Dave "always enjoying Bill's tag lines" Saylor >>>> >>>> On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 3:59 PM, Bill Mauledriver Watson >>>> >>>> >> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >> >>>> >>>> Does anyone have a wiring diagram for 2 Slick Mags, one with >>>> retard, Slick Start, and a key switch they'd be willing to >>>> share? >>>> Or something at least close. >>>> >>>> Thanks >>>> Bill "starting the Vetterman exhaust install while still >>>> trying to >>>> finish the F-Air-Box" Watson >>>> and enjoying a fine NC weekend! >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ========== >>>> arget="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List >>>> ========== >>>> http://forums.matronics.com >>>> ========== >>>> le, List Admin. >>>> ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >>>> ========== >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- Dave Saylor >>>> AirCrafters LLC >>>> 140 Aviation Way >>>> Watsonville, CA 95076 >>>> 831-722-9141 Shop >>>> 831-750-0284 Cell >>>> * >>>> >>>> >>>> * >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ========== >>>> arget="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List >>>> ========== >>>> http://forums.matronics.com >>>> ========== >>>> le, List Admin. >>>> ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >>>> ========== >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Dave Saylor >>>> AirCrafters LLC >>>> 140 Aviation Way >>>> Watsonville, CA 95076 >>>> 831-722-9141 Shop >>>> 831-750-0284 Cell >>>> * >>>> >>>> >>>> * >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 06:14:53 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: Safety wiring the alternator From: "tomhanaway" Drilled #40 holes in the arm about 2" from the bolt. Just did it this past weekend. Tom Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=263063#263063 ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 07:48:12 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: Planning Questions From: "nukeflyboy" Here are a couple photos to show what I said earlier. The blue tubing is for oxygen. Bulkhead fittings are used for plug-in points. The bottle sits on the baggage compartment floor and connects with its own bulkhead fitting. The bottle is portable for ease of filling and for use in the 6. Separate your wires to minimize interference and run them where ever you need to. -------- Dave Moore RV-6 flying RV-10 QB - cabin top/fiberglass hell Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=263081#263081 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/010_2_reduced_409.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/001reduced_290.jpg ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 07:56:00 PM PST US From: Sheldon Olesen Subject: RV10-List: New Service bulletin for GNS 480(CNX80) I got this email from Garmin today and I thought I would pass it along. Sheldon Olesen N475PV 108 hrs ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 08:00:11 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: Infinity grip wiring. From: "nukeflyboy" I used a D-sub connector. This area tends to collect dirt with time so if you use the terminal strip then consider covering it in some way. Connectors are less susceptible to environmental contamination. -------- Dave Moore RV-6 flying RV-10 QB - cabin top/fiberglass hell Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=263083#263083 ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 09:25:54 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: Planning Questions From: "AirMike" I forgot to mention one item that made my wiring much neater and easier to manage. That product is "Click Bond" - the small zip tie attach points are an awesome product. I spent about $100 on the very pricy attach points - worth every cent. 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