---------------------------------------------------------- RV10-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 09/15/09: 12 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:36 AM - FW: Do you have a Mac? (Bob Leffler) 2. 05:38 AM - Re: LOP (Lean of Peak) Injector Tuning (Marcus Cooper) 3. 05:38 AM - Re: Re: Planning Questions (RV Builder (Michael Sausen)) 4. 05:41 AM - Re: Do you have a Mac? (Colm O'Reilly) 5. 06:18 AM - Re: Re: Planning Questions (David McNeill) 6. 07:25 AM - Re: Re: Planning Questions (Tim Olson) 7. 07:40 AM - Re: LOP (Lean of Peak) Injector Tuning (Tim Olson) 8. 08:12 AM - Re: Re: Planning Questions (RV Builder (Michael Sausen)) 9. 08:40 AM - Re: Re: Planning Questions (Perry, Phil) 10. 06:23 PM - Re: LOP (Lean of Peak) Injector Tuning (N777TY) 11. 07:03 PM - Re: Planning Questions (nukeflyboy) 12. 08:40 PM - Re: Planning Questions (Jim Berry) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:36:10 AM PST US From: "Bob Leffler" Subject: FW: RV10-List: Do you have a Mac? I didn't realize that there were that many Mac users on the list. There literally were dozens of folks that offered to assist. We were able to isolate the issue and confirmed it was localized to a single Mac. Thanks to all the volunteered to assist! Bob Do not archive ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Bob Leffler Subject: RV10-List: Do you have a Mac? I need to find a couple folks to test a new RV-10 related site. We've come across an issue and need to validate whether or not it's a common Mac issue or localized to one user. If you have a Mac, want to get a sneak peak, and help us identify this issue, please email me off list. Thanks, Bob __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4425 (20090914) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:38:20 AM PST US From: "Marcus Cooper" Subject: RE: RV10-List: LOP (Lean of Peak) Injector Tuning Tim, As always a great write-up, THANKS. Also a good slide show to support the info. I'll be going up today to see what EGT I get at takeoff. Marcus 40286 Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2009 11:17 PM Subject: RV10-List: LOP (Lean of Peak) Injector Tuning For those who are interested in running LOP and who want to get better injector tuning to make their engine run smooth when Lean of Peak, I wrote up my recent experience in tuning the injectors. It was cheap, and very very easy. http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/upgrades/20090822/index.html There will be a future update to the write-up, as I'm working on a project on another engine, but the info here should give you what you need to get started tweaking your own system. It's so simple that there's no reason not to get your engine set up for great operation. -- Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD 540 hours and climbing ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:38:50 AM PST US From: "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Planning Questions I did something similar. The stock adhesive backing is notorious for letting go over time on zip tie pads so I pulled the backing off of regular hardware store pads and used Goop to secure them instead. As long as both surfaces are clean, I wouldn't expect them to come off very easily. Michael -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of AirMike Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 11:24 PM Subject: RV10-List: Re: Planning Questions I forgot to mention one item that made my wiring much neater and easier to manage. That product is "Click Bond" - the small zip tie attach points are an awesome product. I spent about $100 on the very pricy attach points - worth every cent. If they are good enough for Boeing and Northrop - they are good enuf for me. -------- OSH '10 or Bust Q/B Kit - phase 1 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=263095#263095 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/p7052343_484.jpg ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:41:19 AM PST US From: "Colm O'Reilly" Subject: Re: RV10-List: Do you have a Mac? I'm a mac guy, i'd be happy to check out the issue, Safari and firefox. On Sep 14, 2009, at 19:57, "Bob Leffler" wrote: > I need to find a couple folks to test a new RV-10 related site. We > =99ve come across an issue and need to validate whether or not it=99s > a common Mac issue or localized to one user. If you have a Mac, w > ant to get a sneak peak, and help us identify this issue, please ema > il me off list. > > > Thanks, > > > Bob > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus > signature database 4425 (20090914) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:18:28 AM PST US From: "David McNeill" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Planning Questions Scuff the area where the click bond is to be placed. Clean with acetone (both surfaces) Epoxy in place. Never off. -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of RV Builder (Michael Sausen) Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2009 5:39 AM Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Planning Questions --> I did something similar. The stock adhesive backing is notorious for letting go over time on zip tie pads so I pulled the backing off of regular hardware store pads and used Goop to secure them instead. As long as both surfaces are clean, I wouldn't expect them to come off very easily. Michael -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of AirMike Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 11:24 PM Subject: RV10-List: Re: Planning Questions I forgot to mention one item that made my wiring much neater and easier to manage. That product is "Click Bond" - the small zip tie attach points are an awesome product. I spent about $100 on the very pricy attach points - worth every cent. If they are good enough for Boeing and Northrop - they are good enuf for me. -------- OSH '10 or Bust Q/B Kit - phase 1 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=263095#263095 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/p7052343_484.jpg ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:25:50 AM PST US From: Tim Olson Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Planning Questions I had many, especially on the rougher primed surfaces, that let go with the standard double-sided tape. Whenever I find one that did, and on any new ones, I've been using E6000 glue (Walmart and everywhere has it), which is something I first heard about on the Aeroelectric list. It's basically the same as goop, but I think it may set a little firmer. It's pretty darn tough stuff...and I've used it for installing my NACA vents, and my rudder trim fairing, and things like that. It's plenty tough for holding zip-tie pads on and supporting wire bundles, and it's cheap at probably under $3 a tube. Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD do not archive RV Builder (Michael Sausen) wrote: > > > I did something similar. The stock adhesive backing is notorious for > letting go over time on zip tie pads so I pulled the backing off of > regular hardware store pads and used Goop to secure them instead. As > long as both surfaces are clean, I wouldn't expect them to come off > very easily. > > Michael > > -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of AirMike > Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 11:24 PM To: rv10-list@matronics.com > Subject: RV10-List: Re: Planning Questions > > > I forgot to mention one item that made my wiring much neater and > easier to manage. That product is "Click Bond" - the small zip tie > attach points are an awesome product. I spent about $100 on the very > pricy attach points - worth every cent. If they are good enough for > Boeing and Northrop - they are good enuf for me. > > -------- OSH '10 or Bust Q/B Kit - phase 1 > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=263095#263095 > > > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/p7052343_484.jpg > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:40:33 AM PST US From: Tim Olson Subject: Re: RV10-List: LOP (Lean of Peak) Injector Tuning Cool, will be nice to hear how it goes for you when you tune your injectors. There's a side conversation that I've been having with some people regarding LOP and planes that just can't seem to run that way. We're learning a little, and I'm sure we'll report back fairly soon. But, if you have an engine that you just can't get to run LOP, you may want to drop me a line. We've found something that looks to be specific to the James Cowl users that can cause some issues. We're still learning though. Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD do not archive Marcus Cooper wrote: > > Tim, > As always a great write-up, THANKS. Also a good slide show to support > the info. I'll be going up today to see what EGT I get at takeoff. > > Marcus > 40286 > > Do not archive > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson > Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2009 11:17 PM > To: rv10-list@matronics.com > Subject: RV10-List: LOP (Lean of Peak) Injector Tuning > > > For those who are interested in running LOP and who want to > get better injector tuning to make their engine run smooth > when Lean of Peak, I wrote up my recent experience in tuning > the injectors. It was cheap, and very very easy. > > http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/upgrades/20090822/index.html > > There will be a future update to the write-up, as I'm working > on a project on another engine, but the info here should give > you what you need to get started tweaking your own system. > It's so simple that there's no reason not to get your engine > set up for great operation. > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:12:36 AM PST US From: "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Planning Questions Yep, same stuff with a different name. Also works well to pot electrical components and waterproof them. Michael -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2009 10:24 AM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Planning Questions I had many, especially on the rougher primed surfaces, that let go with the standard double-sided tape. Whenever I find one that did, and on any new ones, I've been using E6000 glue (Walmart and everywhere has it), which is something I first heard about on the Aeroelectric list. It's basically the same as goop, but I think it may set a little firmer. It's pretty darn tough stuff...and I've used it for installing my NACA vents, and my rudder trim fairing, and things like that. It's plenty tough for holding zip-tie pads on and supporting wire bundles, and it's cheap at probably under $3 a tube. Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD do not archive RV Builder (Michael Sausen) wrote: > > > I did something similar. The stock adhesive backing is notorious for > letting go over time on zip tie pads so I pulled the backing off of > regular hardware store pads and used Goop to secure them instead. As > long as both surfaces are clean, I wouldn't expect them to come off > very easily. > > Michael > > -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of AirMike > Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 11:24 PM To: rv10-list@matronics.com > Subject: RV10-List: Re: Planning Questions > > > I forgot to mention one item that made my wiring much neater and > easier to manage. That product is "Click Bond" - the small zip tie > attach points are an awesome product. I spent about $100 on the very > pricy attach points - worth every cent. If they are good enough for > Boeing and Northrop - they are good enuf for me. > > -------- OSH '10 or Bust Q/B Kit - phase 1 > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=263095#263095 > > > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/p7052343_484.jpg > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:40:56 AM PST US Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Planning Questions From: "Perry, Phil" On the wire runs, is everyone sticking with the standard 3/4" holes on each side? If they can be enlarged, how much? If you can add some holes below, what size? Thanks, Phil -----Original Message----- From: RV Builder (Michael Sausen) [mailto:rvbuilder@sausen.net] Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2009 10:12 AM Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Planning Questions Yep, same stuff with a different name. Also works well to pot electrical components and waterproof them. Michael -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2009 10:24 AM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Planning Questions I had many, especially on the rougher primed surfaces, that let go with the standard double-sided tape. Whenever I find one that did, and on any new ones, I've been using E6000 glue (Walmart and everywhere has it), which is something I first heard about on the Aeroelectric list. It's basically the same as goop, but I think it may set a little firmer. It's pretty darn tough stuff...and I've used it for installing my NACA vents, and my rudder trim fairing, and things like that. It's plenty tough for holding zip-tie pads on and supporting wire bundles, and it's cheap at probably under $3 a tube. Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD do not archive RV Builder (Michael Sausen) wrote: > > > I did something similar. The stock adhesive backing is notorious for > letting go over time on zip tie pads so I pulled the backing off of > regular hardware store pads and used Goop to secure them instead. As > long as both surfaces are clean, I wouldn't expect them to come off > very easily. > > Michael > > -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of AirMike > Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 11:24 PM To: rv10-list@matronics.com > Subject: RV10-List: Re: Planning Questions > > > I forgot to mention one item that made my wiring much neater and > easier to manage. That product is "Click Bond" - the small zip tie > attach points are an awesome product. I spent about $100 on the very > pricy attach points - worth every cent. If they are good enough for > Boeing and Northrop - they are good enuf for me. > > -------- OSH '10 or Bust Q/B Kit - phase 1 > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=263095#263095 > > > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/p7052343_484.jpg > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 06:23:07 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: LOP (Lean of Peak) Injector Tuning From: "N777TY" which James cowl? The regular one or the one for cold air induction? they're slightly different.. just helped my buddy go through the hoops of getting the injectors tuned, and results seem to be good.. this is on a -10 /w James cowl + BPE cold air engine.. (2 mags... for now) -------- RV-7A N777TY Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=263230#263230 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 07:03:27 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: Planning Questions From: "nukeflyboy" Phil, These holes are too big to enlarge and in an awkward location. Use what is there: get a good fitting rubber grommet to protect the wires then start filling them up. If you run out of space, drill another hole. Don't sweat it at this point. Everyone's distribution will be somewhat different so don't try to copy exactly. -------- Dave Moore RV-6 flying RV-10 QB - cabin top/fiberglass hell Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=263244#263244 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 08:40:30 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: Planning Questions From: "Jim Berry" Phil, I asked Van's about enlarging the side holes, and they said up to 1" would be OK. I used a Greenlee punch from the electrical dept. of Home Depot. 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