Today's Message Index:
----------------------
1. 12:24 AM - Re: Re: LOP (Lean of Peak) Injector Tuning (Tim Olson)
2. 12:49 AM - clone Chelton (Neil & Sarah Colliver)
3. 01:42 AM - Re: clone Chelton (Tim Olson)
4. 04:54 AM - Re: clone Chelton (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
5. 05:25 AM - Andair Valves (Perry, Phil)
6. 05:43 AM - Re: Re: LOP (Lean of Peak) Injector Tuning (gary)
7. 06:05 AM - Re: LOP (Lean of Peak) Injector Tuning (orchidman)
8. 06:12 AM - Re: Andair Valves (Bob Leffler)
9. 06:43 AM - Re: Andair Valves (Ralph E. Capen)
10. 06:43 AM - Re: Andair Valves (Danny Riggs)
11. 07:08 AM - Re: Andair Valves (Strasnuts)
12. 07:19 AM - Re: Re: LOP (Lean of Peak) Injector Tuning (Tim Olson)
13. 07:46 AM - Re: Andair Valves (Kelly McMullen)
14. 07:47 AM - Re: Re: LOP (Lean of Peak) Injector Tuning (Ralph E. Capen)
15. 07:47 AM - Re: Re: Andair Valves (Dave Saylor)
16. 07:55 AM - Re: Re: LOP (Lean of Peak) Injector Tuning (Condrey, Bob (US SSA))
17. 08:48 AM - Re: Re: LOP (Lean of Peak) Injector Tuning (Tim Olson)
18. 08:55 AM - Re: Andair Valves (Bob and Karen Brown)
19. 09:04 AM - Re: Re: LOP (Lean of Peak) Injector Tuning (Condrey, Bob (US SSA))
20. 09:10 AM - Re: Re: LOP (Lean of Peak) Injector Tuning (gary)
21. 09:49 AM - Re: Re: LOP (Lean of Peak) Injector Tuning (Condrey, Bob (US SSA))
22. 10:05 AM - Re: Andair Valves (David McNeill)
23. 10:08 AM - Re: Re: LOP (Lean of Peak) Injector Tuning (Tim Olson)
24. 11:34 AM - Re: Andair Valves (Bob Leffler)
25. 11:40 AM - Re: Re: LOP (Lean of Peak) Injector Tuning (Pascal)
26. 12:04 PM - Re: Re: LOP (Lean of Peak) Injector Tuning (Tim Olson)
27. 12:20 PM - Re: Info and Question on Van's FWF Kit (including hoses) (Pascal)
28. 12:53 PM - Re: Andair Valves (David McNeill)
29. 01:14 PM - Re: Andair Valves (Strasnuts)
30. 02:11 PM - Re: Re: Andair Valves (Dave Saylor)
31. 02:36 PM - Re: Andair Valves (Strasnuts)
32. 03:53 PM - Screws in Canopy (Les Kearney)
33. 04:16 PM - Re: Re: Seatbelt countersink (Les Kearney)
34. 05:16 PM - Re: Screws in Canopy (Bob-tcw)
35. 05:55 PM - Re: Screws in Canopy (David McNeill)
36. 06:15 PM - Re: Re: Seatbelt countersink (Roxanne and Mike Lefever)
37. 06:47 PM - Re: Screws in Canopy (ricksked@embarqmail.com)
38. 06:51 PM - Re: Andair Valves (Deems Davis)
39. 06:54 PM - Rivet direction? (Sam Clark)
40. 06:56 PM - Re: Re: Seatbelt countersink (Les Kearney)
41. 07:10 PM - Re: Rivet direction? (ricksked@embarqmail.com)
42. 07:25 PM - Re: Screws in Canopy (Les Kearney)
43. 07:49 PM - Re: Screws in Canopy (ricksked@embarqmail.com)
44. 07:53 PM - Re: Screws in Canopy (David McNeill)
45. 08:08 PM - Re: Screws in Canopy (Don McDonald)
46. 08:09 PM - Re: Rivet direction? (Les Kearney)
47. 08:31 PM - Re: Rivet direction? (Les Kearney)
48. 08:31 PM - Re: Screws in Canopy (nukeflyboy)
49. 08:35 PM - Re: Screws in Canopy (Les Kearney)
50. 08:43 PM - Re: Glastar flyer/ RV10 builder (Paul Grimstad)
51. 08:50 PM - Re: Re: Screws in Canopy (Les Kearney)
Message 1
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: LOP (Lean of Peak) Injector Tuning |
I think on either.... The issue is seemingly with the airflow
blast coming in the round inlets, over the injectors. A small
air dam to lessen the direct flow changed things a lot.
More info coming in the future...
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
do not archive
N777TY wrote:
>
> which James cowl? The regular one or the one for cold air induction?
> they're slightly different..
>
> just helped my buddy go through the hoops of getting the injectors
> tuned, and results seem to be good.. this is on a -10 /w James cowl +
> BPE cold air engine.. (2 mags... for now)
>
> -------- RV-7A N777TY
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=263230#263230
>
Message 2
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
Hi Tim
Cloned the card but no joy - any suggestions. The IDU works fine with
the other card. What's the best / most foolproof way to clone it?
Neil
Message 3
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: clone Chelton |
I used norton ghost....if you can find someone with the PCMCIA to IDE
adapters.
On Sep 17, 2009, at 2:48 AM, Neil & Sarah Colliver <ncol@xtra.co.nz>
wrote:
> >
>
> Hi Tim
>
> Cloned the card but no joy - any suggestions. The IDU works fine
> with the other card. What's the best / most foolproof way to clone it?
>
> Neil
>
>
Message 4
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
For the wintel world, DriveImage XML is a good free alternative to the Symantec
products.
http://www.runtime.org/driveimage-xml.htm
Michael
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 4:32 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: clone Chelton
I used norton ghost....if you can find someone with the PCMCIA to IDE
adapters.
On Sep 17, 2009, at 2:48 AM, Neil & Sarah Colliver <ncol@xtra.co.nz>
wrote:
> >
>
> Hi Tim
>
> Cloned the card but no joy - any suggestions. The IDU works fine
> with the other card. What's the best / most foolproof way to clone it?
>
> Neil
>
>
Message 5
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
There's a discussion on VAF about the Andair fuel valves and it raised a
question on my part.
First, I didn't realize there were so many versions of a Andair fuel
valves. And you have to know which fittings you want on each port.
What model number and configurations did you use? I'd like to get mine
on order and get it put on the shelf.
Also, what's the difference between the regular Andair valve and the
duplex valve? My guess is that the duplex valve has a dedicated return
line to send fuel back to the originating tank.
I'd like to return the fuel to the original tank, that sounds great.
Except I will be using QB wings with the fuel tanks already assembled
and sealed. Does this mean I am not a candidate for a duplex (return to
source) valve?
Thanks
Phil
Message 6
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: LOP (Lean of Peak) Injector Tuning |
I have the standard inlets, but based on this list and Alan Barrett's
recommendation I put a small air dam in front of the front injector.
Raining down here this week so have not flown. Will keep you posted.
Gary Specketer
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 3:17 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: LOP (Lean of Peak) Injector Tuning
I think on either.... The issue is seemingly with the airflow
blast coming in the round inlets, over the injectors. A small
air dam to lessen the direct flow changed things a lot.
More info coming in the future...
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
do not archive
N777TY wrote:
>
> which James cowl? The regular one or the one for cold air induction?
> they're slightly different..
>
> just helped my buddy go through the hoops of getting the injectors
> tuned, and results seem to be good.. this is on a -10 /w James cowl +
> BPE cold air engine.. (2 mags... for now)
>
> -------- RV-7A N777TY
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=263230#263230
>
Message 7
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: LOP (Lean of Peak) Injector Tuning |
speckter(at)comcast.net wrote:
> I have the standard inlets, but based on this list and Alan Barrett's
> recommendation I put a small air dam in front of the front injector.
> Raining down here this week so have not flown. Will keep you posted.
>
> Gary Specketer
>
> --
Gary,
Any chance of you posting a picture or sending me one. Plane gets out of the paint
shop this weekend if WX cooperates and balancing is one of the items on my
to-do list.
--------
Gary Blankenbiller
RV10 - # 40674
(N2GB Flying)
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=263496#263496
Message 8
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
Phil,
You already got several answers on VAF. Do a quick search and you'll find
more of the same here. FS20x7 w/ extender is what is needed for the RV-10.
No, you don't want a duplex. That is for returning fuel to both tanks,
which is not required nor recommended on the IO-540. Don at Airflow
recommends running the purge line to a tee under the right seat just before
the fuel valve. This is used for hot starts. Just set the valve to the
left tank and hot fuel goes back to the right tank.
Bob
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Perry, Phil
Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 8:24 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Andair Valves
There's a discussion on VAF about the Andair fuel valves and it raised a
question on my part.
First, I didn't realize there were so many versions of a Andair fuel valves.
And you have to know which fittings you want on each port.
What model number and configurations did you use? I'd like to get mine on
order and get it put on the shelf.
Also, what's the difference between the regular Andair valve and the duplex
valve? My guess is that the duplex valve has a dedicated return line to
send fuel back to the originating tank.
I'd like to return the fuel to the original tank, that sounds great. Except
I will be using QB wings with the fuel tanks already assembled and sealed.
Does this mean I am not a candidate for a duplex (return to source) valve?
Thanks
Phil
Message 9
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: Andair Valves |
Phil,
Your guess about the duplex valve is correct - dedicated return lines to source
tank.
I had QB tanks on my 6A and put a fitting in the side forward of the fuel guage
sender
all the way in to the second bay. Wasn't a big deal at all.
When I got my duplex valve, I didn't know about the gozillion configurations and
would
have ordered it with -4 fittings for the purge lines and plumbed it back to the
tank that
way - had I known. I got the one that has all(6) AN6 fittlngs - I don't have the
part
number - but like I said, I would have done one set of AN6 and one set of AN4 had
I
known.
My FI is from AFP and the line from the servo to the purge valve, spider, and back
to
the valve is a -4. It converts to a -6 line right before the valve. Check your
FI
system - you might be able to simplify yours like I could have.....
BTW, I oriented my valve such that it points to the left fuel guage when drawing
from
the left tank and points to the right fuel guage when drawing from the right tank.
It
was a PITB to put together - but real simple in flight.
I attached a photo - during construction - hope it isn't stripped off. More pics
if you
want.
Ralph
-----Original Message-----
>From: "Perry, Phil" <Phil.Perry@netapp.com>
>Sent: Sep 17, 2009 8:23 AM
>To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RV10-List: Andair Valves
>
>There's a discussion on VAF about the Andair fuel valves and it raised a
>question on my part.
>
>
>
>First, I didn't realize there were so many versions of a Andair fuel
>valves. And you have to know which fittings you want on each port.
>
>
>
>What model number and configurations did you use? I'd like to get mine
>on order and get it put on the shelf.
>
>
>
>Also, what's the difference between the regular Andair valve and the
>duplex valve? My guess is that the duplex valve has a dedicated return
>line to send fuel back to the originating tank.
>
>
>
>I'd like to return the fuel to the original tank, that sounds great.
>Except I will be using QB wings with the fuel tanks already assembled
>and sealed. Does this mean I am not a candidate for a duplex (return to
>source) valve?
>
>
>
>Thanks
>
>Phil
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
Message 10
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
I installed the Andair duplex valve in my -10. I also have the QB wings. No
t really a problem vis-a-vis the wings if you install any fittings BEFORE y
ou install the float level valve. After that it's doable but harder.
Subject: RV10-List: Andair Valves
From: Phil.Perry@netapp.com
There=92s a discussion on VAF about the Andair fuel valves and it raised a
question on my part.
First=2C I didn=92t realize there were so many versions of a Andair fuel va
lves. And you have to know which fittings you want on each port.
What model number and configurations did you use? I=92d like to get mine o
n order and get it put on the shelf.
Also=2C what=92s the difference between the regular Andair valve and the d
uplex valve? My guess is that the duplex valve has a dedicated return line
to send fuel back to the originating tank.
I=92d like to return the fuel to the original tank=2C that sounds great. E
xcept I will be using QB wings with the fuel tanks already assembled and se
aled. Does this mean I am not a candidate for a duplex (return to source)
valve?
Thanks
Phil
_________________________________________________________________
Ready for Fall shows? Use Bing to find helpful ratings and reviews on digit
al tv's.
http://www.bing.com/shopping/search?q=digital+tv's&form=MSHNCB&publ=W
LHMTAG&crea=TEXT_MSHNCB_Vertical_Shopping_DigitalTVs_1x1
Message 11
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: Andair Valves |
I would have definitely changed out the original valve that Vans wassending. Now
they send a nicer valve that doesn't look like the one in my 1965 motor home.
I won't be changing this one out since it has a detent and looks a lot better.
--------
Cust. #40936
RV-10 SB Fuselage
N801VR reserved
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=263505#263505
Message 12
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: LOP (Lean of Peak) Injector Tuning |
Here's one.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
do not archive
orchidman wrote:
>
>
> speckter(at)comcast.net wrote:
>> I have the standard inlets, but based on this list and Alan
>> Barrett's recommendation I put a small air dam in front of the
>> front injector. Raining down here this week so have not flown.
>> Will keep you posted.
>>
>> Gary Specketer
>>
>> --
>
> Gary, Any chance of you posting a picture or sending me one. Plane
> gets out of the paint shop this weekend if WX cooperates and
> balancing is one of the items on my to-do list.
>
> -------- Gary Blankenbiller RV10 - # 40674 (N2GB Flying)
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=263496#263496
>
Message 13
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: Andair Valves |
Not sure I understand why folks want to do things the hard way.
Precision injection...no return at all.
AFP...return for purge only...minimal flow, just tee into tank line like
Bob Leffler suggested.
You do not actively return fuel to any tank when the engine is running,
unlike Continental engines with TCM injection that return fuel all the
time, so no need to worry which tank your purge returns to.
Danny Riggs wrote:
> I installed the Andair duplex valve in my -10. I also have the QB wings.
> Not really a problem vis-a-vis the wings if you install any fittings
> BEFORE you install the float level valve. After that it's doable but harder.
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Subject: RV10-List: Andair Valves
> Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 05:23:35 -0700
> From: Phil.Perry@netapp.com
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>
> Theres a discussion on VAF about the Andair fuel valves and it raised a
> question on my part.
>
>
>
> First, I didnt realize there were so many versions of a Andair fuel
> valves. And you have to know which fittings you want on each port.
>
>
>
> What model number and configurations did you use? Id like to get mine
> on order and get it put on the shelf.
>
>
>
> Also, whats the difference between the regular Andair valve and the
> duplex valve? My guess is that the duplex valve has a dedicated return
> line to send fuel back to the originating tank.
>
>
>
> Id like to return the fuel to the original tank, that sounds great.
> Except I will be using QB wings with the fuel tanks already assembled
> and sealed. Does this mean I am not a candidate for a duplex (return to
> source) valve?
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
> Phil
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *
>
> ttp://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List
> ronics.com
> ww.matronics.com/contribution
>
> *
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Ready for Fall shows? Use Bing to find helpful ratings and reviews on
> digital tv's. Click here.
> <http://www.bing.com/shopping/search?q=digital+tv>
>
> *
>
>
> *
Message 14
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: LOP (Lean of Peak) Injector Tuning |
Tim / Gary,
Please let us know your opinions of the results....
-----Original Message-----
>From: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>Sent: Sep 17, 2009 10:10 AM
>To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: LOP (Lean of Peak) Injector Tuning
>
>Here's one.
>
>Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
>do not archive
>
>
>orchidman wrote:
>>
>>
>> speckter(at)comcast.net wrote:
>>> I have the standard inlets, but based on this list and Alan
>>> Barrett's recommendation I put a small air dam in front of the
>>> front injector. Raining down here this week so have not flown.
>>> Will keep you posted.
>>>
>>> Gary Specketer
>>>
>>> --
>>
>> Gary, Any chance of you posting a picture or sending me one. Plane
>> gets out of the paint shop this weekend if WX cooperates and
>> balancing is one of the items on my to-do list.
>>
>> -------- Gary Blankenbiller RV10 - # 40674 (N2GB Flying)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=263496#263496
>>
Message 15
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: Andair Valves |
I thought the exact same thing--that the new stock valve was much better
than the older style.
It was better. Mine lasted about 300 hours. I replaced it with an Andair,
and I'm really glad I did. Night and day.
We work on a lot of planes with a lot of different valves. The Andairs are
bulletproof and worth what they charge.
Dave Saylor
AirCrafters LLC
140 Aviation Way
Watsonville, CA 95076
831-722-9141 Shop
831-750-0284 Cell
On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 7:07 AM, Strasnuts <sean@braunandco.com> wrote:
>
> I would have definitely changed out the original valve that Vans
> wassending. Now they send a nicer valve that doesn't look like the one in
> my 1965 motor home. I won't be changing this one out since it has a detent
> and looks a lot better.
>
> --------
> Cust. #40936
> RV-10 SB Fuselage
> N801VR reserved
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=263505#263505
>
>
Message 16
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: LOP (Lean of Peak) Injector Tuning |
I've been slammed at work and have apparently missed something here...
Is the issue that incoming ram air is somehow disrupting the injector flow because
of the air bleed hole in the injector itself?
Bob
RV-10 N442PM
-----Original Message-----
>From: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>Sent: Sep 17, 2009 10:10 AM
>To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: LOP (Lean of Peak) Injector Tuning
>
>Here's one.
>
>Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
>do not archive
>
>
>orchidman wrote:
>>
>>
>> speckter(at)comcast.net wrote:
>>> I have the standard inlets, but based on this list and Alan
>>> Barrett's recommendation I put a small air dam in front of the
>>> front injector. Raining down here this week so have not flown.
>>> Will keep you posted.
>>>
>>> Gary Specketer
>>>
>>> --
>>
>> Gary, Any chance of you posting a picture or sending me one. Plane
>> gets out of the paint shop this weekend if WX cooperates and
>> balancing is one of the items on my to-do list.
>>
>> -------- Gary Blankenbiller RV10 - # 40674 (N2GB Flying)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=263496#263496
>>
Message 17
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: LOP (Lean of Peak) Injector Tuning |
Yep. It's either the airflow or the pressure.
There is ongoing research, and there is so much
email going on that it's too much for the list right now.
We're going to let a couple things happen so we can
summarize it and then post all the info for a reference
for future builders.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
Condrey, Bob (US SSA) wrote:
> <bob.condrey@baesystems.com>
>
> I've been slammed at work and have apparently missed something
> here...
>
> Is the issue that incoming ram air is somehow disrupting the injector
> flow because of the air bleed hole in the injector itself?
>
> Bob RV-10 N442PM
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com> Sent: Sep 17, 2009 10:10 AM To:
>> rv10-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: LOP (Lean of
>> Peak) Injector Tuning
>>
>> Here's one.
>>
>> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD do not archive
>>
>>
>> orchidman wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> speckter(at)comcast.net wrote:
>>>> I have the standard inlets, but based on this list and Alan
>>>> Barrett's recommendation I put a small air dam in front of the
>>>> front injector. Raining down here this week so have not flown.
>>>> Will keep you posted.
>>>>
>>>> Gary Specketer
>>>>
>>>> --
>>> Gary, Any chance of you posting a picture or sending me one.
>>> Plane gets out of the paint shop this weekend if WX cooperates
>>> and balancing is one of the items on my to-do list.
>>>
>>> -------- Gary Blankenbiller RV10 - # 40674 (N2GB Flying)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Read this topic online here:
>>>
>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=263496#263496
>>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
Message 18
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
Kelly McMullen and Bob Leffler (and Don Rivera at Airflow Performance!)
have it right. There is no need to use the Andair duplex valve. None. No
benefit... just extra plumbing, fittings and complexity.
I have the purge setup in my 7A plumbed through an Andair valve with a 1/4"
line plumbed to a tee fitting in the left tank line (between the tank and
the valve). When using the purge valve for a hot start, you put the fuel
selector to the <Right> setting, firewall the throttle and mixture setting,
pull the purge cable to open the purge valve (closing off fuel flow to the
injectors) and engage the boost pump for 30 seconds. During this time, cool
fuel is being pumped from the <Right> tank to the fuel servo, up to the
spider (where the purge valve is located), through a fire sleeved return
line to a steel bulkhead fitting at the firewall, where the 1/4" line runs
back to that tee in the left fuel tank line and back into the left tank. 30
seconds of pumping cool fuel through that 1/4" line will only move about a
cup of fuel, but that is sufficient to accomplish the purpose.
After I count to 30, (with boost pump still engaged) push close the purge
valve for a couple of seconds (your now putting fuel out to the injector
lines) and pull open again. Reset the throttle and mixture to full rich
mixture and 1/8" throttle, engage the starter and begin closing the purge
valve and the engine is now running.
Don't bother with a duplex valve, listen to Don, who builds the system.
Bob Brown
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kelly McMullen
Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 7:32 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Andair Valves
Not sure I understand why folks want to do things the hard way.
Precision injection...no return at all.
AFP...return for purge only...minimal flow, just tee into tank line like
Bob Leffler suggested.
You do not actively return fuel to any tank when the engine is running,
unlike Continental engines with TCM injection that return fuel all the
time, so no need to worry which tank your purge returns to.
Danny Riggs wrote:
> I installed the Andair duplex valve in my -10. I also have the QB wings.
> Not really a problem vis-a-vis the wings if you install any fittings
> BEFORE you install the float level valve. After that it's doable but
harder.
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Subject: RV10-List: Andair Valves
> Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 05:23:35 -0700
> From: Phil.Perry@netapp.com
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>
> There's a discussion on VAF about the Andair fuel valves and it raised a
> question on my part.
>
>
>
> First, I didn't realize there were so many versions of a Andair fuel
> valves. And you have to know which fittings you want on each port.
>
>
>
> What model number and configurations did you use? I'd like to get mine
> on order and get it put on the shelf.
>
>
>
> Also, what's the difference between the regular Andair valve and the
> duplex valve? My guess is that the duplex valve has a dedicated return
> line to send fuel back to the originating tank.
>
>
>
> I'd like to return the fuel to the original tank, that sounds great.
> Except I will be using QB wings with the fuel tanks already assembled
> and sealed. Does this mean I am not a candidate for a duplex (return to
> source) valve?
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
> Phil
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *
>
> ttp://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List
> ronics.com
> ww.matronics.com/contribution
>
> *
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Ready for Fall shows? Use Bing to find helpful ratings and reviews on
> digital tv's. Click here.
> <http://www.bing.com/shopping/search?q=digital+tv>
>
> *
>
>
> *
Message 19
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: LOP (Lean of Peak) Injector Tuning |
Great, thanks!
Bob
Do Not Archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 10:33 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: LOP (Lean of Peak) Injector Tuning
Yep. It's either the airflow or the pressure.
There is ongoing research, and there is so much
email going on that it's too much for the list right now.
We're going to let a couple things happen so we can
summarize it and then post all the info for a reference
for future builders.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
Condrey, Bob (US SSA) wrote:
> <bob.condrey@baesystems.com>
>
> I've been slammed at work and have apparently missed something
> here...
>
> Is the issue that incoming ram air is somehow disrupting the injector
> flow because of the air bleed hole in the injector itself?
>
> Bob RV-10 N442PM
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com> Sent: Sep 17, 2009 10:10 AM To:
>> rv10-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: LOP (Lean of
>> Peak) Injector Tuning
>>
>> Here's one.
>>
>> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD do not archive
>>
>>
>> orchidman wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> speckter(at)comcast.net wrote:
>>>> I have the standard inlets, but based on this list and Alan
>>>> Barrett's recommendation I put a small air dam in front of the
>>>> front injector. Raining down here this week so have not flown.
>>>> Will keep you posted.
>>>>
>>>> Gary Specketer
>>>>
>>>> --
>>> Gary, Any chance of you posting a picture or sending me one.
>>> Plane gets out of the paint shop this weekend if WX cooperates
>>> and balancing is one of the items on my to-do list.
>>>
>>> -------- Gary Blankenbiller RV10 - # 40674 (N2GB Flying)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Read this topic online here:
>>>
>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=263496#263496
>>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
Message 20
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: LOP (Lean of Peak) Injector Tuning |
Some of us are having problems running LOP because the engine "stumbles"
when you go leaner than peak. The theory is that cyl #2 is running super
lean because of the ram air infiltrating the injector. The dam is an
attempt to fix that.
Gary Specketer
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Condrey, Bob (US
SSA)
Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 10:55 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: LOP (Lean of Peak) Injector Tuning
<bob.condrey@baesystems.com>
I've been slammed at work and have apparently missed something here...
Is the issue that incoming ram air is somehow disrupting the injector flow
because of the air bleed hole in the injector itself?
Bob
RV-10 N442PM
-----Original Message-----
>From: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>Sent: Sep 17, 2009 10:10 AM
>To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: LOP (Lean of Peak) Injector Tuning
>
>Here's one.
>
>Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
>do not archive
>
>
>orchidman wrote:
>>
>>
>> speckter(at)comcast.net wrote:
>>> I have the standard inlets, but based on this list and Alan
>>> Barrett's recommendation I put a small air dam in front of the
>>> front injector. Raining down here this week so have not flown.
>>> Will keep you posted.
>>>
>>> Gary Specketer
>>>
>>> --
>>
>> Gary, Any chance of you posting a picture or sending me one. Plane
>> gets out of the paint shop this weekend if WX cooperates and
>> balancing is one of the items on my to-do list.
>>
>> -------- Gary Blankenbiller RV10 - # 40674 (N2GB Flying)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=263496#263496
>>
Message 21
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: LOP (Lean of Peak) Injector Tuning |
Isn't this something that you'd see on the EGT for that cylinder (peaking a lot
sooner than the rest)? Just to state the obvious, is it safe to assume that
folks with the issue have checked the alignment of the air bleed hole in the injector
to make sure that it's oriented appropriately?
Bob
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of gary
Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 10:53 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: LOP (Lean of Peak) Injector Tuning
Some of us are having problems running LOP because the engine "stumbles"
when you go leaner than peak. The theory is that cyl #2 is running super
lean because of the ram air infiltrating the injector. The dam is an
attempt to fix that.
Gary Specketer
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Condrey, Bob (US
SSA)
Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 10:55 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: LOP (Lean of Peak) Injector Tuning
<bob.condrey@baesystems.com>
I've been slammed at work and have apparently missed something here...
Is the issue that incoming ram air is somehow disrupting the injector flow
because of the air bleed hole in the injector itself?
Bob
RV-10 N442PM
-----Original Message-----
>From: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>Sent: Sep 17, 2009 10:10 AM
>To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: LOP (Lean of Peak) Injector Tuning
>
>Here's one.
>
>Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
>do not archive
>
>
>orchidman wrote:
>>
>>
>> speckter(at)comcast.net wrote:
>>> I have the standard inlets, but based on this list and Alan
>>> Barrett's recommendation I put a small air dam in front of the
>>> front injector. Raining down here this week so have not flown.
>>> Will keep you posted.
>>>
>>> Gary Specketer
>>>
>>> --
>>
>> Gary, Any chance of you posting a picture or sending me one. Plane
>> gets out of the paint shop this weekend if WX cooperates and
>> balancing is one of the items on my to-do list.
>>
>> -------- Gary Blankenbiller RV10 - # 40674 (N2GB Flying)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=263496#263496
>>
Message 22
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
When you install the Andair valves , don't forget to segment the tunnel
cover for future access.
_____
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Danny Riggs
Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 6:19 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Andair Valves
I installed the Andair duplex valve in my -10. I also have the QB wings. Not
really a problem vis-a-vis the wings if you install any fittings BEFORE you
install the float level valve. After that it's doable but harder.
_____
Subject: RV10-List: Andair Valves
From: Phil.Perry@netapp.com
There's a discussion on VAF about the Andair fuel valves and it raised a
question on my part.
First, I didn't realize there were so many versions of a Andair fuel valves.
And you have to know which fittings you want on each port.
What model number and configurations did you use? I'd like to get mine on
order and get it put on the shelf.
Also, what's the difference between the regular Andair valve and the duplex
valve? My guess is that the duplex valve has a dedicated return line to
send fuel back to the originating tank.
I'd like to return the fuel to the original tank, that sounds great. Except
I will be using QB wings with the fuel tanks already assembled and sealed.
Does this mean I am not a candidate for a duplex (return to source) valve?
Thanks
Phil
ttp://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List
ronics.com
ww.matronics.com/contribution
_____
Ready for Fall shows? Use Bing to find helpful ratings and reviews on
digital tv's. Click <http://www.bing.com/shopping/search?q=digital+tv>
here.
Message 23
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: LOP (Lean of Peak) Injector Tuning |
Yes, and yes. It's visible on the EGT gauge, and yp, the holes all go
down. THere's more to the story, but it gets so involve we don't
want to type it over and over again. So waiting to get it all
compiled.
Tim
Condrey, Bob (US SSA) wrote:
> <bob.condrey@baesystems.com>
>
> Isn't this something that you'd see on the EGT for that cylinder
> (peaking a lot sooner than the rest)? Just to state the obvious, is
> it safe to assume that folks with the issue have checked the
> alignment of the air bleed hole in the injector to make sure that
> it's oriented appropriately?
>
> Bob
>
> -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of gary Sent:
> Thursday, September 17, 2009 10:53 AM To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: LOP (Lean of Peak) Injector Tuning
>
>
> Some of us are having problems running LOP because the engine
> "stumbles" when you go leaner than peak. The theory is that cyl #2
> is running super lean because of the ram air infiltrating the
> injector. The dam is an attempt to fix that.
>
> Gary Specketer
>
> -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Condrey,
> Bob (US SSA) Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 10:55 AM To:
> rv10-list@matronics.com Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: LOP (Lean of
> Peak) Injector Tuning
>
> <bob.condrey@baesystems.com>
>
> I've been slammed at work and have apparently missed something
> here...
>
> Is the issue that incoming ram air is somehow disrupting the injector
> flow because of the air bleed hole in the injector itself?
>
> Bob RV-10 N442PM
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com> Sent: Sep 17, 2009 10:10 AM To:
>> rv10-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: LOP (Lean of
>> Peak) Injector Tuning
>>
>> Here's one.
>>
>> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD do not archive
>>
>>
>> orchidman wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> speckter(at)comcast.net wrote:
>>>> I have the standard inlets, but based on this list and Alan
>>>> Barrett's recommendation I put a small air dam in front of the
>>>> front injector. Raining down here this week so have not flown.
>>>> Will keep you posted.
>>>>
>>>> Gary Specketer
>>>>
>>>> --
>>> Gary, Any chance of you posting a picture or sending me one.
>>> Plane gets out of the paint shop this weekend if WX cooperates
>>> and balancing is one of the items on my to-do list.
>>>
>>> -------- Gary Blankenbiller RV10 - # 40674 (N2GB Flying)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Read this topic online here:
>>>
>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=263496#263496
>>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
Message 24
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
David,
Please elaborate...
It appears to me with the remote extension, the remote selector comes off
easily and isn't a problem with the tunnel cover.
Thanks,
bob
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David McNeill
Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 1:03 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Andair Valves
When you install the Andair valves , don't forget to segment the tunnel
cover for future access.
_____
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Danny Riggs
Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 6:19 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Andair Valves
I installed the Andair duplex valve in my -10. I also have the QB wings. Not
really a problem vis-a-vis the wings if you install any fittings BEFORE you
install the float level valve. After that it's doable but harder.
_____
Subject: RV10-List: Andair Valves
From: Phil.Perry@netapp.com
There's a discussion on VAF about the Andair fuel valves and it raised a
question on my part.
First, I didn't realize there were so many versions of a Andair fuel valves.
And you have to know which fittings you want on each port.
What model number and configurations did you use? I'd like to get mine on
order and get it put on the shelf.
Also, what's the difference between the regular Andair valve and the duplex
valve? My guess is that the duplex valve has a dedicated return line to
send fuel back to the originating tank.
I'd like to return the fuel to the original tank, that sounds great. Except
I will be using QB wings with the fuel tanks already assembled and sealed.
Does this mean I am not a candidate for a duplex (return to source) valve?
Thanks
Phil
ttp://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List
ronics.com
ww.matronics.com/contribution
_____
Ready for Fall shows? Use Bing to find helpful ratings and reviews on
digital tv's. Click <http://www.bing.com/shopping/search?q=digital+tv>
here.
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List">http://www.matronics.com
/Navigator?RV10-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c
Message 25
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: LOP (Lean of Peak) Injector Tuning |
No idea if this applies to me but thanks Tim for the research with this. You
always seem to be in the leading edge of guidance.
Pascal
--------------------------------------------------
From: "Tim Olson" <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 10:07 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: LOP (Lean of Peak) Injector Tuning
>
>
> Yes, and yes. It's visible on the EGT gauge, and yp, the holes all go
> down. THere's more to the story, but it gets so involve we don't
> want to type it over and over again. So waiting to get it all
> compiled.
> Tim
>
>
> Condrey, Bob (US SSA) wrote:
>> <bob.condrey@baesystems.com>
>>
>> Isn't this something that you'd see on the EGT for that cylinder
>> (peaking a lot sooner than the rest)? Just to state the obvious, is
>> it safe to assume that folks with the issue have checked the
>> alignment of the air bleed hole in the injector to make sure that
>> it's oriented appropriately?
>>
>> Bob
>>
>> -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of gary Sent:
>> Thursday, September 17, 2009 10:53 AM To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: LOP (Lean of Peak) Injector Tuning
>>
>>
>> Some of us are having problems running LOP because the engine
>> "stumbles" when you go leaner than peak. The theory is that cyl #2
>> is running super lean because of the ram air infiltrating the
>> injector. The dam is an attempt to fix that.
>>
>> Gary Specketer
>>
>> -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Condrey,
>> Bob (US SSA) Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 10:55 AM To:
>> rv10-list@matronics.com Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: LOP (Lean of
>> Peak) Injector Tuning
>>
>> <bob.condrey@baesystems.com>
>>
>> I've been slammed at work and have apparently missed something
>> here...
>>
>> Is the issue that incoming ram air is somehow disrupting the injector
>> flow because of the air bleed hole in the injector itself?
>>
>> Bob RV-10 N442PM
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com> Sent: Sep 17, 2009 10:10 AM To:
>>> rv10-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: LOP (Lean of
>>> Peak) Injector Tuning
>>>
>>> Here's one.
>>>
>>> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD do not archive
>>>
>>>
>>> orchidman wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> speckter(at)comcast.net wrote:
>>>>> I have the standard inlets, but based on this list and Alan Barrett's
>>>>> recommendation I put a small air dam in front of the front injector.
>>>>> Raining down here this week so have not flown. Will keep you posted.
>>>>>
>>>>> Gary Specketer
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>> Gary, Any chance of you posting a picture or sending me one.
>>>> Plane gets out of the paint shop this weekend if WX cooperates
>>>> and balancing is one of the items on my to-do list.
>>>>
>>>> -------- Gary Blankenbiller RV10 - # 40674 (N2GB Flying)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Read this topic online here:
>>>>
>>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=263496#263496
>>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
Message 26
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: LOP (Lean of Peak) Injector Tuning |
This particular one isn't so much me doing the work as it is
others...I'm just participating. I did that LOP write up and
it all went well. There were others with issues that couldn't
run LOP....and some that had running problems even ROP slightly.
So we started a pretty email intensive discussion group and
piled on experiences and knowledgebase. People like Jason
Kreidler, Deems, Robin Marks, and others are to be commended
as well. With the combined reports and some trials of ideas
by them, we're digging through the issues that they're having.
The common thread is the James Cowl, so that got us head
scratching...but I remembered some things from previous online
reading that were helpful too. So we're going through a big
discussion and trying some ideas in order to get those
cowls to run LOP and run well in general, just like what
I've been experiencing.
It will be interesting in the end. I have gained a lot of
info too, because most of them are also using AFP injection,
and there are minor differences.
Sorry to not spread too much info right now, but really,
there is so much info and email that it would overwhelm
everyone and you would just have trouble sifting through and
keeping things straight anyway. So we're going to make a
couple planes run real well, and then report on what it took,
and what issues there were...so that others can get there.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
do not archive
Pascal wrote:
>
> No idea if this applies to me but thanks Tim for the research with this.
> You always seem to be in the leading edge of guidance.
> Pascal
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Tim Olson" <Tim@MyRV10.com>
> Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 10:07 AM
> To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: LOP (Lean of Peak) Injector Tuning
>
>>
>>
>>
>> Yes, and yes. It's visible on the EGT gauge, and yp, the holes all go
>> down. THere's more to the story, but it gets so involve we don't
>> want to type it over and over again. So waiting to get it all
>> compiled.
>> Tim
>>
>>
>>
>> Condrey, Bob (US SSA) wrote:
>>> <bob.condrey@baesystems.com>
>>>
>>> Isn't this something that you'd see on the EGT for that cylinder
>>> (peaking a lot sooner than the rest)? Just to state the obvious, is
>>> it safe to assume that folks with the issue have checked the
>>> alignment of the air bleed hole in the injector to make sure that
>>> it's oriented appropriately?
>>>
>>> Bob
>>>
>>> -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>>> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of gary Sent:
>>> Thursday, September 17, 2009 10:53 AM To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>>> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: LOP (Lean of Peak) Injector Tuning
>>>
>>>
>>> Some of us are having problems running LOP because the engine
>>> "stumbles" when you go leaner than peak. The theory is that cyl #2
>>> is running super lean because of the ram air infiltrating the
>>> injector. The dam is an attempt to fix that.
>>>
>>> Gary Specketer
>>>
>>> -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>>> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Condrey,
>>> Bob (US SSA) Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 10:55 AM To:
>>> rv10-list@matronics.com Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: LOP (Lean of
>>> Peak) Injector Tuning
>>>
>>> <bob.condrey@baesystems.com>
>>>
>>> I've been slammed at work and have apparently missed something
>>> here...
>>>
>>> Is the issue that incoming ram air is somehow disrupting the injector
>>> flow because of the air bleed hole in the injector itself?
>>>
>>> Bob RV-10 N442PM
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com> Sent: Sep 17, 2009 10:10 AM To:
>>>> rv10-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: LOP (Lean of
>>>> Peak) Injector Tuning
>>>>
>>>> Here's one.
>>>>
>>>> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD do not archive
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> orchidman wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> speckter(at)comcast.net wrote:
>>>>>> I have the standard inlets, but based on this list and Alan
>>>>>> Barrett's recommendation I put a small air dam in front of the
>>>>>> front injector. Raining down here this week so have not flown.
>>>>>> Will keep you posted.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Gary Specketer
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>> Gary, Any chance of you posting a picture or sending me one.
>>>>> Plane gets out of the paint shop this weekend if WX cooperates
>>>>> and balancing is one of the items on my to-do list.
>>>>>
>>>>> -------- Gary Blankenbiller RV10 - # 40674 (N2GB Flying)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Read this topic online here:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=263496#263496
>>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
Message 27
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: Info and Question on Van's FWF Kit (including hoses) |
I've seen mention of the MAP hose (VA-119) yet that is not part of the Van's
list for the FWF kit.
Have people been adding that to their lists?
Thx
Pascal
--------------------------------------------------
From: "John Cumins" <jcumins@jcis.net>
Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 10:48 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Info and Question on Van's FWF Kit (including hoses)
>
> You need to make sure that the SS hoses have the molded file sleeve as
> part
> of the hose when there made. It cost a bit more but very important in the
> fwf area for all hoses that pass fluids thru then. I would also make the
> MAP
> hose SS just to make all hoses the same. This is what I did on our
> Saratoga
> and it was worth the cost.
>
> John G. Cumins
> President
>
> JC'S Interactive Systems
> 2499 B1 Martin Rd
> Fairfield Ca 94533
> 707-425-7100
> 707-425-7576 Fax
>
> Your Total Technology Solution Provider
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of RV Builder
> (Michael Sausen)
> Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 10:20 AM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Info and Question on Van's FWF Kit (including
> hoses)
>
> <rvbuilder@sausen.net>
>
> While they may be SS covered Teflon, I'm betting that they are not fire
> sleeved so take that into account when comparing aftermarkets with Van's.
>
> Michael
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of nukeflyboy
> Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 11:45 AM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV10-List: Info and Question on Van's FWF Kit (including hoses)
>
>
> I have been reading the posts about engines hoses and wondering about what
> to get and what to leave out in Van's FWF kit. Another RV-10 builder
> recently got the kit and I noticed that the hoses looked like teflon
> coated
> stainless steel braid. I emailed Van's to find out and this is what they
> sent me. Included is the current inventory of the kit.
>
> start of Van's note:
>
> 1) The Fuel and Oil lines in the RV-10 Firewall Forward kits
> are teflon coated with stainless steel braid.
>
>
> (2) The Vibration mount we sell are made in the USA by
> "Vibration Isolation Products".
>
>
> (3) I have the list of the RV-10 Firewall Forward kit below for
> you.
>
>
> Best Regards
> Van's
>
>
> FF-10 IO-540 F.WALL FWD.KIT IO-540
>
>
> 3.00 CT A-740 BLACK PUSH PULL CABLE BLACK
> 2.00 DUCT CBT-5/8 COOLING BLAST TUBE
> 2.00 EA 4" DUCT HOSE CLAMP 4" HOSE CLAMP
> 1.00 EA CV HOSE 7545 BREATHER HOSE -540
> 6.00 EA GASKET 77611 BLO-PROOF EXHST GASKT
> 4.00 EA DYNA VI I(O)-540 VIB.ISO. RV-10 ONLY
> 1.00 EA OIL COOLER 20006A OIL COOLER I(O)-540
> 1.00 ES ALTERNATOR DELUXE 60A KIT W/OV PROTECT
> 1.00 FAB-360/540 FLTRD A/BOX-360 FI320
> 1.00 FF-1005 BREATHER TUBE
> 1.00 IE VMP INSTALL KIT FITTINGS/HOSES
> 1.00 PROP GOV MT P-860-3 I(O)-540 LYCOMING
> 1.00 VA-102 FUEL PRES. HOSE 15.5
> 1.00 VA-133 OIL PRESS. HOSE 27.25
> 1.00 VA-135 OIL COOLER HOSE 16.5
> 1.00 VA-168 SENDER MOUNT
> 1.00 VA-186 OIL COOLER BOX ASSY.
> 1.00 VA-187 4" FLANGED DUCT
> 1.00 VA-190 OIL COOLER HOSE 27"
> 1.00 BAF-10-540 BAFFLE KIT IO-540
> 1.00 PT-035X1/4X4' LO PRES-BRKE RES.TUBE
> 1.00 SS304-26GAX1/2X9 SCAT CLAMP !!SHARP!!
> 1.00 VENT SCAT 2X3' RED 2" SCAT 3' LONG
> 1.00 VENT SCAT 2X6' SCAT TUBE X 6 FT
> 1.00 VENT SCAT 4X16" 4" DIA. RED SCAT HOSE
> 1.00 EA DYNA BOLT I(O)-540 MOTOR MOUNT BOLT KIT
> 1.00 BAG 516 RIVET AN426AD3-3.5
> 1.00 BAG 517 RIVET AN426AD3-4
> 1.00 BAG 518 RIVET AN426AD4-4
> 1.00 BAG 519 RIVET AN426AD4-5
> 1.00 BAG 520 MISC. AN BOLTS
> 1.00 BAG 521 MISC. WASHERS
> 1.00 BAG 522-1 MISC. FITTINGS/CLAMPS
> 1.00 BAG 523-1 FITTINGS/MISC.
> 1.00 BAG 524 MISC. CLAMPS
> 1.00 BAG 525-1 MISC/BEARINGS
> 1.00 BAG 526-1 CABIN HEAT SHUTTLE HW
> 1.00 PT-062X1/4X24" HIGH PRESSURE
> 1.00 CT BLK THROTTLE 47.5 10 (I(O)-540)
> 1.00 CT BLUE VPROP 72.5 10 (I(O)-540)FWD GOV
> 1.00 CT RED VMIXTURE 51.5 10 (I(O)-540)
> 1.00 VA-182-PC KIT THR/MIX BKT IO VERT
> 1.00 VA-189 FUEL LINE IO-540 25.5
> 1.00 DOC FF-IO-540 TEXT/DWGS RV-10 F.FWD
> 1.00 EA EXH 10 I(O)-540 I(O)-540 VETTERMAN
> 1.00 VA-138 FUEL SUPPLY HOSE 14.0
>
> end of Van's note
>
> First of all it is good to see that they have switched to teflon/SS hoses
> for the fuel and oil lines.
>
> I am not familiar with the "Vibration Isolation Products" engine mount.
> Is
> anyone? It is a division of Pacific Molded Technologies in California.
> Do
> you recommend that I stick with Lord Mounts?
>
> So far it looks like I will stick with Van's hoses and just about
> everything
> else but will drop a couple items. I have another source for a Plane
> Power
> alternator so I will drop it. (They are good alternators and I recommend
> that you use them.) I bought an AirFlow oil cooler from Alex and will
> drop
> it from the kit. I still need to make up my mind on the engine mounts and
> throttle quadrant.
>
> Any other thoughts?
>
> --------
> Dave Moore
> RV-6 flying
> RV-10 QB - cabin top/fiberglass hell
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=262432#262432
>
>
>
Message 28
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
When I received my kit, the tunnel cover was one piece. It is very unhandy
for removal. We segmented the one piece into three. firewall to aft of fuel
selector, then to back of seats , then to aft of flap motor. we also used CS
screws with internal hex head on the center piece to be able remove without
removing flap torque tube covers and front seats.
_____
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob Leffler
Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 11:33 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Andair Valves
David,
Please elaborate...
It appears to me with the remote extension, the remote selector comes off
easily and isn't a problem with the tunnel cover.
Thanks,
bob
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David McNeill
Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 1:03 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Andair Valves
When you install the Andair valves , don't forget to segment the tunnel
cover for future access.
_____
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Danny Riggs
Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 6:19 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Andair Valves
I installed the Andair duplex valve in my -10. I also have the QB wings. Not
really a problem vis-a-vis the wings if you install any fittings BEFORE you
install the float level valve. After that it's doable but harder.
_____
Subject: RV10-List: Andair Valves
From: Phil.Perry@netapp.com
There's a discussion on VAF about the Andair fuel valves and it raised a
question on my part.
First, I didn't realize there were so many versions of a Andair fuel valves.
And you have to know which fittings you want on each port.
What model number and configurations did you use? I'd like to get mine on
order and get it put on the shelf.
Also, what's the difference between the regular Andair valve and the duplex
valve? My guess is that the duplex valve has a dedicated return line to
send fuel back to the originating tank.
I'd like to return the fuel to the original tank, that sounds great. Except
I will be using QB wings with the fuel tanks already assembled and sealed.
Does this mean I am not a candidate for a duplex (return to source) valve?
Thanks
Phil
ttp://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List
ronics.com
ww.matronics.com/contribution
_____
Ready for Fall shows? Use Bing to find helpful ratings and reviews on
digital tv's. Click <http://www.bing.com/shopping/search?q=digital+tv>
here.
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List">http://www.matronics.com
/Navigator?RV10-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List
http://forums.matronics.com
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Message 29
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: Andair Valves |
Dave, What part of the new Van's fuel valve broke after 300 hours?
--------
Cust. #40936
RV-10 SB Fuselage
N801VR reserved
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=263575#263575
Message 30
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: Andair Valves |
I took it apart twice trying to figure out why it didn't feel crisp and
smooth. After the first time, maybe 250 hours (guessing) I put it back
together and it didn't feel any different. From that point it just kept
getting tighter and less precise. I tried one more time. I never did find
anything that looked wrong, but it sure didn't feel as nice as when it was
new.
I looked at buying a new one since I could buy many Vans valves for the cost
of an Andair. But I eventually figured the effort would catch up to me,
maybe the thing would fail at a bad time, and the tunnel was all apart so I
just bit the bullet.
Dave Saylor
AirCrafters LLC
140 Aviation Way
Watsonville, CA 95076
831-722-9141 Shop
831-750-0284 Cell
On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 1:13 PM, Strasnuts <sean@braunandco.com> wrote:
>
> Dave, What part of the new Van's fuel valve broke after 300 hours?
>
> --------
> Cust. #40936
> RV-10 SB Fuselage
> N801VR reserved
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=263575#263575
>
>
Message 31
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: Andair Valves |
I don't like the sound of failing at a bad time. Thanks for the quick reply.
--------
Cust. #40936
RV-10 SB Fuselage
N801VR reserved
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=263583#263583
Message 32
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Screws in Canopy |
Hi
I notice that there are a number of screws in the canopy doors as well as in
the canopy itself. I am wondering what people are doing with respect to
these screws prior to painting. Are they being glassed over or left as is?
Inquiring minds need to know
Les
#40643 - Still in f/g hell
Message 33
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: Seatbelt countersink |
HI
I received the mythical, magical, wandering seatbelt countersink today. Does
anyone need it? If so I will send it to you otherwise I will send it back to
Lew (unless Lew wants me to hold onto it until someone else needs it).
Cheers
Les
#40643 - still in f/g hell
-----Original Message-----
From: Les Kearney [mailto:kearney@shaw.ca]
Sent: August-19-09 9:06 AM
Cc: 'Lew Gallagher'
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Seatbelt countersink
Hi Tim
Would you add me to the distribution list for the mythical, magical,
wandering countersink. It is about time it made the trip north of the 49th!
Cheers
Les Kearney
5015 - 154 ST NW
Edmonton, Alberta
T6H 5P1
Message 34
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: Screws in Canopy |
Those of us from the Glastar world have about 100 screws to cover up in
the glass work, a small patch of light weight fiberglass cloth over each
screw is the way to make them go away with proper body work.
-Bob Newman
----- Original Message -----
From: Les Kearney
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 6:49 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Screws in Canopy
Hi
I notice that there are a number of screws in the canopy doors as well
as in the canopy itself. I am wondering what people are doing with
respect to these screws prior to painting. Are they being glassed over
or left as is?
Inquiring minds need to know
Les
#40643 - Still in f/g hell
Message 35
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Screws in Canopy |
don't cover them unless you are sure that you will never have to remove them
again.
_____
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob-tcw
Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 4:47 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Screws in Canopy
Those of us from the Glastar world have about 100 screws to cover up in the
glass work, a small patch of light weight fiberglass cloth over each screw
is the way to make them go away with proper body work.
-Bob Newman
----- Original Message -----
From: Les Kearney <mailto:kearney@shaw.ca>
Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 6:49 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Screws in Canopy
Hi
I notice that there are a number of screws in the canopy doors as well as in
the canopy itself. I am wondering what people are doing with respect to
these screws prior to painting. Are they being glassed over or left as is?
Inquiring minds need to know
Les
#40643 - Still in f/g hell
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List">http://www.matronics.com
/Navigator?RV10-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c
Message 36
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: Seatbelt countersink |
Les=2C
Please add me to the list and next if that works:
Mike Lefever
3235 S. Oleander Drive
Chandler AZ 85248
thanks
> From: kearney@shaw.ca
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Seatbelt countersink
> Date: Thu=2C 17 Sep 2009 17:10:58 -0600
>
>
> HI
>
> I received the mythical=2C magical=2C wandering seatbelt countersink toda
y. Does
> anyone need it? If so I will send it to you otherwise I will send it back
to
> Lew (unless Lew wants me to hold onto it until someone else needs it).
>
> Cheers
>
> Les
> #40643 - still in f/g hell
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Les Kearney [mailto:kearney@shaw.ca]
> Sent: August-19-09 9:06 AM
> To: 'Dawson-Townsend=2CTimothy'
> Cc: 'Lew Gallagher'
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Seatbelt countersink
>
> Hi Tim
>
> Would you add me to the distribution list for the mythical=2C magical=2C
> wandering countersink. It is about time it made the trip north of the 49t
h!
>
> Cheers
>
> Les Kearney
> 5015 - 154 ST NW
> Edmonton=2C Alberta
> T6H 5P1
>
>
===========
===========
===========
===========
>
>
>
Message 37
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: Screws in Canopy |
Also David forgot to mention what he told me and I totally agree with....stainless
countersink washers on all glass to metal fasteners points...spreads the load
and stops the composite from cracking and spreads the load ...
Rick Sked
N246RS
Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
-----Original Message-----
From: "David McNeill" <dlm46007@cox.net>
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Screws in Canopy
This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
Message 38
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: Andair Valves |
I'll second Davids suggestion. During the final phase you will have
several reasons to reopen the tunnel. Segmenting it can make the process
easier and allow for more direct access. This is PARTICULARLY true if
you plan to install a center console on top of the tunnel, or some
quadrant configurations.
Deems Davis
David McNeill wrote:
> When I received my kit, the tunnel cover was one piece. It is very
> unhandy for removal. We segmented the one piece into three. firewall
> to aft of fuel selector, then to back of seats , then to aft of flap
> motor. we also used CS screws with internal hex head on the center
> piece to be able remove without removing flap torque tube covers and
> front seats.
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Bob Leffler
> *Sent:* Thursday, September 17, 2009 11:33 AM
> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* RE: RV10-List: Andair Valves
>
> David,
>
> Please elaborate
>
> It appears to me with the remote extension, the remote selector comes
> off easily and isnt a problem with the tunnel cover.
>
> Thanks,
>
> bob
>
> *From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *David McNeill
> *Sent:* Thursday, September 17, 2009 1:03 PM
> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* RE: RV10-List: Andair Valves
>
> When you install the Andair valves , don't forget to segment the
> tunnel cover for future access.
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> *From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Danny Riggs
> *Sent:* Thursday, September 17, 2009 6:19 AM
> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* RE: RV10-List: Andair Valves
>
> I installed the Andair duplex valve in my -10. I also have the QB
> wings. Not really a problem vis-a-vis the wings if you install any
> fittings BEFORE you install the float level valve. After that it's
> doable but harder.
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Subject: RV10-List: Andair Valves
> Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 05:23:35 -0700
> From: Phil.Perry@netapp.com
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>
> Theres a discussion on VAF about the Andair fuel valves and it raised
> a question on my part.
>
> First, I didnt realize there were so many versions of a Andair fuel
> valves. And you have to know which fittings you want on each port.
>
> What model number and configurations did you use? Id like to get mine
> on order and get it put on the shelf.
>
> Also, whats the difference between the regular Andair valve and the
> duplex valve? My guess is that the duplex valve has a dedicated return
> line to send fuel back to the originating tank.
>
> Id like to return the fuel to the original tank, that sounds great.
> Except I will be using QB wings with the fuel tanks already assembled
> and sealed. Does this mean I am not a candidate for a duplex (return
> to source) valve?
>
> Thanks
>
> Phil
>
> * *
> * *
> *ttp://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List*
> *ronics.com*
> *ww.matronics.com/contribution*
> * *
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Ready for Fall shows? Use Bing to find helpful ratings and reviews on
> digital tv's. Click here.
> <http://www.bing.com/shopping/search?q=digital+tv>
>
> * *
> * *
> *href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List*
> *href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com*
> *href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c*
> * *
> * *
> **
> **
> **
> **
> **
> **
> *http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List*
> **
> **
> **
> *http://forums.matronics.com*
> **
> **
> **
> **
> *http://www.matronics.com/contribution*
> **
> * *
> *
>
> href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List
> href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
> href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c
> *
> *
>
>
> *
Message 39
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Rivet direction? |
Hello RV-10 builders,
I have just started building. I pretty much jumped right in with both
feet and it seems to be going well so far. I have finished the vert stab and
am getting ready to start riveting the rudder. I started on the horizontal
stab spars while waiting for a replacement rudder stiffener and have come
across a bit of a perplexing question, how do I know which way to orient the
rivets? It isn't really clear in the plans, I think they should probably
all go the same direction so the side I countersink gives a pretty good clue
to the direction a flush rivet goes. Am I correct in thinking they all go
the same direction or does it matter? I know for the trailing edges I
should alternate direction to help keep things straight. Any insight would
help, thanks in advance.
Sam Clark
Lexington Park, MD
Message 40
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: Seatbelt countersink |
Mike
You are next on the list. It should be in the mail tomorrow.
Cheers
Les
PS: Thanks Lew for making this happen.
_____
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roxanne and Mike
Lefever
Sent: September-17-09 7:12 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Seatbelt countersink
Les,
Please add me to the list and next if that works:
Mike Lefever
3235 S. Oleander Drive
Chandler AZ 85248
thanks
> From: kearney@shaw.ca
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Seatbelt countersink
> Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 17:10:58 -0600
>
>
> HI
>
> I received the mythical, magical, wandering seatbelt countersink today.
Does
> anyone need it? If so I will send it to you otherwise I will send it back
to
> Lew (unless Lew wants me to hold onto it until someone else needs it).
>
> Cheers
>
> Les
> #40643 - still in f/g hell
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Les Kearney [mailto:kearney@shaw.ca]
> Sent: August-19-09 9:06 AM
> To: 'Dawson-Townsend,Timothy'
> Cc: 'Lew Gallagher'
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Seatbelt countersink
>
> Hi Tim
>
> Would you add me to the distribution list for the mythical, magical,
> wandering countersink. It is about time it made the trip north of the
49th!
>
> Cheers
>
> Les Kearney
> 5015 - 154 ST NW
> Edmonton, Al
>
>
>
Message 41
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: Rivet direction? |
Sam,
With 470 rivets you should try to place the head on the thicker material... Direction
has a lot to do with access but if you look real close at the plans it
shows direction...learn well here because later you're on your own....
Rick Sked
N246RS, flyin
Tech counselor to be
Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
-----Original Message-----
From: "Sam Clark" <helosammy@gmail.com>
Subject: RV10-List: Rivet direction?
This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
Message 42
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Screws in Canopy |
Hi Rick
Do you have a source / part # for the stainless counter sunk washers? These
Tinnerman washers are similar to ones used on my Cherokee f/g tail cone but
they are not glassed in. See link
http://www.airpartsinc.com/products/ss-tinnerman-c-s-washers.htm Are these
what you are suggesting?
Cheers
Les
Message 43
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: Screws in Canopy |
Spruce sells them in number 6, 8 and upper sizes...I bought larger ones for the
seatbelts and main axel bolts on the pants....but if I recall Wicks. Sells them
too...they really make a difference in wear and in appearance. I'm getting
ready to paint my pants and fairings and plan to mold them into the glass...got
the idea from Deems who helped a friend do the same..
Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
-----Original Message-----
From: "Les Kearney" <kearney@shaw.ca>
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Screws in Canopy
This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
Message 44
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Screws in Canopy |
Aircraft spruce
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/search/search.php?query=04-00398
<http://www.aircraftspruce.com/search/search.php?query=04-00398&search=1>
&search=1
_____
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Les Kearney
Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 7:19 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Screws in Canopy
Hi Rick
Do you have a source / part # for the stainless counter sunk washers? These
Tinnerman washers are similar to ones used on my Cherokee f/g tail cone but
they are not glassed in. See link
http://www.airpartsinc.com/products/ss-tinnerman-c-s-washers.htm Are these
what you are suggesting?
Cheers
Les
Message 45
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Screws in Canopy |
Spruce has 2 different kinds... I use the stainless ones... page 96 of the
2008/09 catalog, part # 04-00397, 00392 and 00398.- If you want some of t
he Tinnerman countersunk washers, I'll make someone a special deal on some.
...- the stainless ones are shinier.
Don McDonald
--- On Thu, 9/17/09, Les Kearney <kearney@shaw.ca> wrote:
From: Les Kearney <kearney@shaw.ca>
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Screws in Canopy
Hi Rick
-
Do you have a source / part # for the stainless counter sunk washers? -Th
ese Tinnerman washers are similar to ones used on my Cherokee f/g tail cone
but they are not glassed in. See link http://www.airpartsinc.com/products/
ss-tinnerman-c-s-washers.htm Are these what you are suggesting?
-
Cheers
-
Les
=0A=0A=0A
Message 46
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Rivet direction? |
Hi Rick
For clarity, I take it you are referring to the shop (formed) head being on
the thicker material. The "button" or factory head holds the thinner
material. I only mention this because I remember getting confused about the
terminology when I started building.
Cheers
Les
_____
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
ricksked@embarqmail.com
Sent: September-17-09 8:05 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Rivet direction?
Sam,
With 470 rivets you should try to place the head on the thicker material...
Direction has a lot to do with access but if you look real close at the
plans it shows direction...learn well here because later you're on your
own....
Rick Sked
N246RS, flyin
Tech counselor to be
Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
_____
From: "Sam Clark"
Subject: RV10-List: Rivet direction?
Hello RV-10 builders,
I have just started building. I pretty = much jumped right in with both
feet and it seems to be going well so far. I = have finished the vert stab
and am getting ready to start riveting the = rudder. I started on the
horizontal stab spars while waiting for a replacement = rudder stiffener and
have come across a bit of a perplexing question, how do I = know which way
to orient the rivets? It isn't really clear in the = plans, I think they
should probably all go the same direction so the side I = countersink gives
a pretty good clue to the direction a flush rivet goes. Am I correct in
thinking they all go the same direction or does it = matter? I know for the
trailing edges I should alternate direction to help keep = things straight.
Any insight would help, thanks in advance.
Sam Clark
Lexington Park, MD
Message 47
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Rivet direction? |
Sam
Here are a couple of things I did to get perfectly straight trailing edges
on my rudder and elevators.
Pix 44 shows how I ensured that the trailing edge wedge was glued securely
to the rudder skin (step 1 page 7-9 of the plans). I reversed one wedge on
top of the wedge to be glued - this gave a flat surface to cleco. To ensure
the wedge was straight and flat, I then held both wedges in place with some
scrap aluminum angle that was clecoed to every hole in the skin.
Pix 39 shows it all clecoed from below).
Pix 201 shows (end on) shows how I clecoed another piece of angle to the
other side when it came time to glue the other side of the rudder on. The
angle ensured that the rudder was glued perfectly straight without any
bowing.
Pix 199 shows an elevator trailing edge all clecoed while the glue was
curing.
After the glue cured, I back riveted the trailing edge as per the plans. In
my case didn't bother alternating the rivets as the trailing edges were all
glued straight.
Cheers
Les
#40643 - Living in f/g hell
________________________________________
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Sam Clark
Sent: September-17-09 7:51 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Rivet direction?
Hello RV-10 builders,
I have just started building. I pretty much jumped right in with both
feet and it seems to be going well so far. I have finished the vert stab and
am getting ready to start riveting the rudder. I started on the horizontal
stab spars while waiting for a replacement rudder stiffener and have come
across a bit of a perplexing question, how do I know which way to orient the
rivets? It isn't really clear in the plans, I think they should probably
all go the same direction so the side I countersink gives a pretty good clue
to the direction a flush rivet goes. Am I correct in thinking they all go
the same direction or does it matter? I know for the trailing edges I
should alternate direction to help keep things straight. Any insight would
help, thanks in advance.
Sam Clark
Lexington Park, MD
Message 48
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: Screws in Canopy |
I'm not sure you got your question answered. There are about 30-40 screws that
bolt the cabin top to the fuselage. These will never come out again, assuming
you followed the plans and epoxied the bugger in place. I am filling them in
with micro-balloons. On the roof of the cabin top are 4 screws that bolt the
window brace, 16 on the hinges, and 2 for the front seat harnesses. I will
leave these alone, just in case.
I use washers under countersunk screws in thin fiberglass (spinner, fairings, etc.)
but see no need for them in the thick glass on the cabin top.
--------
Dave Moore
RV-6 flying
RV-10 QB - cabin top/fiberglass hell
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=263643#263643
Message 49
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Screws in Canopy |
Rick
Did you embed these in the doors as well and then glass over them? Did you
cover the screw heads?
Cheers
Les
_____
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
ricksked@embarqmail.com
Sent: September-17-09 8:44 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Screws in Canopy
Spruce sells them in number 6, 8 and upper sizes...I bought larger ones for
the seatbelts and main axel bolts on the pants....but if I recall Wicks.
Sells them too...they really make a difference in wear and in appearance.
I'm getting ready to paint my pants and fairings and plan to mold them into
the glass...got the idea from Deems who helped a friend do the same..
Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
_____
From: "Les Kearney"
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Screws in Canopy
Message 50
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: Glastar flyer/ RV10 builder |
David,
I think John Jessen has a Glastar.
John: n212pj@gmail.com
Paul Grimstad
rv10 450
----- Original Message -----
From: David McNeill
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 2:36 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Glastar flyer/ RV10 builder
IIRC there was an RV10 builder who was flying a Glastar for fun while
building. If he will identify himself off list I will send pictures of
the use of an RV10 nose fork on the Glastar to improve rough/soft field
performance. Just completed the Glastar mod this morning to 15/600-5
main wheels and a 500-5 nose wheel.
N46007 RV10 190TT
N48007 Glastar 515TT
Message 51
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: Screws in Canopy |
Thanks Dave
The ones I am really interested are the 6 in the door that hold the guide
blocks and the door mechanism.
The screws in the door openings I plan to glass in as you suggest.
Cheers
Les
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of nukeflyboy
Sent: September-17-09 9:32 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: Screws in Canopy
I'm not sure you got your question answered. There are about 30-40 screws
that bolt the cabin top to the fuselage. These will never come out again,
assuming you followed the plans and epoxied the bugger in place. I am
filling them in with micro-balloons. On the roof of the cabin top are 4
screws that bolt the window brace, 16 on the hinges, and 2 for the front
seat harnesses. I will leave these alone, just in case.
I use washers under countersunk screws in thin fiberglass (spinner,
fairings, etc.) but see no need for them in the thick glass on the cabin
top.
--------
Dave Moore
RV-6 flying
RV-10 QB - cabin top/fiberglass hell
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=263643#263643
Other Matronics Email List Services
These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.
-- Please support this service by making your Contribution today! --
|