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1. 08:33 AM - Re: Andair Valves (Strasnuts)
2. 08:41 AM - Brake line exit holes (Perry, Phil)
3. 09:01 AM - Re: Rivet direction? Important comment!!!! (Don McDonald)
4. 09:20 AM - Re: Brake line exit holes (Lenny Iszak)
5. 09:55 AM - Re: Rivet direction? Important comment!!!! (David McNeill)
6. 10:16 AM - Re: Rivet direction? Important comment!!!! (Pascal)
7. 10:40 AM - Re: Brake line exit holes (AirMike)
8. 11:47 AM - Re: Re: Andair Valves (William Curtis)
9. 11:48 AM - Re: Rivet direction? Important comment!!!! (Bob Leffler)
10. 11:49 AM - Re: Re: Andair Valves (Dave Saylor)
11. 11:49 AM - Re: CB-1002-H Governor Bracket Installation Photos...? (John Cox)
12. 11:49 AM - Re: Brake line exit holes (Les Kearney)
13. 12:18 PM - Re: Brake line exit holes (Perry, Phil)
14. 12:23 PM - Re: Andair Valves (Strasnuts)
15. 02:25 PM - Re: Rivet direction? Important comment!!!! (partner14)
16. 03:00 PM - Re: GPS Antenna Placement (n277dl)
17. 03:06 PM - Re: Re: Rivet direction? Important comment!!!! (David McNeill)
18. 03:22 PM - Re: Re: GPS Antenna Placement (Deems Davis)
19. 03:42 PM - Re: Re: Rivet direction? Important comment!!!! (Bob Leffler)
20. 05:27 PM - Aerosport Prodducts (aerosport1)
21. 07:40 PM - Re: Re: GPS Antenna Placement (Tim Olson)
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| Subject: | Re: Andair Valves |
Dave,
Now that I am ordering my Andair valve which an fittings work the best with the
ten. Do the banjo fittings work well?
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Cust. #40936
RV-10 SB Fuselage
N801VR reserved
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| Subject: | Brake line exit holes |
I think I really screwed up this morning.
28-5 Step 4
"Enlarge the two pre-punched brake line pilot holes to 5/8 diameter"
These are the holes where the brake lines exit the bottom skin at each
landing gear mount.
I drilled the hole in the skins out to 5/8" just as the plans indicated.
While I was there (keep in mind this is a QB), I decided to install the
brake line hardware too as described on 36-2. The AN fitting doesn't
fit through the corresponding hole on the landing gear mount.
After looking at the directions, it says (a second time) to enlarge the
hole to 5/8". I can only assume they're talking about the
corresponding hole in the landing gear, to make room for the AN fitting.
So now I have a 5/8" hole in the bottom skin and in the landing gear
mount.
This is the point where shock set in. I'll bet I wasn't supposed to
drill the landing gear mount to 5/8" and I'll bet the fitting is
supposed to mount to the landing gear - and pass through the skin
untouched.
Now I have a really nice hole that my AN fitting will push right
through. Not to mention a weak point near a very critical structural
component that gets abused (the landing gear).
I think I just bought myself a lot of work, a new right main gear mount,
and a lot of stress.
Someone tell me I didn't....
Phil
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| Subject: | Re: Rivet direction? Important comment!!!! |
Hey guys, can we follow the new guys lead (gosh, it's kind of nice NOT to b
e the new guy anymore) and put our address and maybe a phone number on the
bottom of each email.=C2- It sure would make it easier to contact each ot
her for both direct questions/responses, and linking up on cross country fl
ights.=C2- What do ya think?
Don McDonald
Lincoln CA=C2- LHM
916-801-8402
--- On Thu, 9/17/09, Sam Clark <helosammy@gmail.com> wrote:
From: Sam Clark <helosammy@gmail.com>
Subject: RV10-List: Rivet direction?
Hello RV-10 builders,
=C2- I have just started building.=C2- I pretty much jumped right in wi
th both feet and it seems to be going well so far. I have finished the vert
stab and am getting ready to start riveting the rudder.=C2- I started on
the horizontal stab spars while waiting for a replacement rudder stiffener
and have come across a bit of a perplexing question, how do I know which w
ay to orient the rivets?=C2- It isn=99t really clear in the plans,
I think they should probably all go the same direction so the side I counte
rsink gives a pretty good clue to the direction a flush rivet goes.=C2- A
m I correct in thinking they all go the same direction or does it matter?
=C2- I know for the trailing edges I should alternate direction to help k
eep things straight.=C2- Any insight would help, thanks in advance.
=C2-
Sam Clark
Lexington Park, MD
=C2-
=0A=0A=0A
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| Subject: | Re: Brake line exit holes |
Phil,
Took a (crappy) picture of my brake line exit. The fitting mounts to the landing
gear bracket and just goes through the skin.
Hopefully someone has a good idea for a fix. It ain't fun to take the landing gear
bracket out.
Lenny
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| Subject: | Rivet direction? Important comment!!!! |
I usually contact offlist if I offer the telephone number; putting them out
each time will provide a lot of unwanted calls from outside the list. If you
doubt, just Google an RV10 topic and watch the RV10list emails pop up.
_____
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Don McDonald
Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2009 8:58 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Rivet direction? Important comment!!!!
Hey guys, can we follow the new guys lead (gosh, it's kind of nice NOT to be
the new guy anymore) and put our address and maybe a phone number on the
bottom of each email. It sure would make it easier to contact each other
for both direct questions/responses, and linking up on cross country
flights. What do ya think?
Don McDonald
Lincoln CA LHM
916-801-8402
--- On Thu, 9/17/09, Sam Clark <helosammy@gmail.com> wrote:
From: Sam Clark <helosammy@gmail.com>
Subject: RV10-List: Rivet direction?
Hello RV-10 builders,
I have just started building. I pretty much jumped right in with both
feet and it seems to be going well so far. I have finished the vert stab and
am getting ready to start riveting the rudder. I started on the horizontal
stab spars while waiting for a replacement rudder stiffener and have come
across a bit of a perplexing question, how do I know which way to orient the
rivets? It isn't really clear in the plans, I think they should probably
all go the same direction so the side I countersink gives a pretty good clue
to the direction a flush rivet goes. Am I correct in thinking they all go
the same direction or does it matter? I know for the trailing edges I
should alternate direction to help keep things straight. Any insight would
help, thanks in advance.
Sam Clark
Lexington Park, MD
get=_blank rel=nofollow>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List
=nofollow>http://forums.matronics.com
blank rel=nofollow>http://www.matronics.com/contribution
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| Subject: | Re: Rivet direction? Important comment!!!! |
Don;
I might suggest we use Tim Olson's builder (secure) site for this.
Anything that we publish here remains in the public domain for a long
time. The numbers (address and phone) are on his site already. If you
don=99t have access (for builders and fliers only) contact Tim.
Great idea however!
Pascal
From: Don McDonald
Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2009 8:58 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Rivet direction? Important comment!!!!
Hey guys, can we follow the new guys lead (gosh, it's kind of nice
NOT to be the new guy anymore) and put our address and maybe a phone
number on the bottom of each email. It sure would make it easier to
contact each other for both direct questions/responses, and linking up
on cross country flights. What do ya think?
Don McDonald
Lincoln CA LHM
916-801-8402
--- On Thu, 9/17/09, Sam Clark <helosammy@gmail.com> wrote:
From: Sam Clark <helosammy@gmail.com>
Subject: RV10-List: Rivet direction?
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Date: Thursday, September 17, 2009, 6:51 PM
Hello RV-10 builders,
I have just started building. I pretty much jumped right in
with both feet and it seems to be going well so far. I have finished the
vert stab and am getting ready to start riveting the rudder. I started
on the horizontal stab spars while waiting for a replacement rudder
stiffener and have come across a bit of a perplexing question, how do I
know which way to orient the rivets? It isn=99t really clear in
the plans, I think they should probably all go the same direction so the
side I countersink gives a pretty good clue to the direction a flush
rivet goes. Am I correct in thinking they all go the same direction or
does it matter? I know for the trailing edges I should alternate
direction to help keep things straight. Any insight would help, thanks
in advance.
Sam Clark
Lexington Park, MD
get=_blank rel=nofollow>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List
=nofollow>http://forums.matronics.com
blank rel=nofollow>http://www.matronics.com/contribution
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| Subject: | Re: Brake line exit holes |
Since none of us have a perfect plane, I would not get too concerned. If it were
me, I would take a thick aluminum plate - put the proper sized hole in the plate
for the AN fitting - then epoxy the plate in place.
At this point in the build - this kind of error will drive you crazy - a year from
now it will be long forgotten.
Also look at the silver lining to this screw up - you will be much more motivated
to make nice soft landings after you are flying.......
--------
OSH '10 or Bust
Q/B Kit - phase 1
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| Subject: | Re: Andair Valves |
No need for the very expensiver banjo fittings. Use the 90 degree Elbow
fittings (AN-6,JIC-6) on the side and male AN-6 on the bottom outlet with a
FS20x 7T valve.
William
http://wcurtis.nerv10.com/
On Sat, Sep 19, 2009 at 11:32 AM, Strasnuts <sean@braunandco.com> wrote:
>
> Dave,
> Now that I am ordering my Andair valve which an fittings work the best with
> the ten. Do the banjo fittings work well?
>
> --------
> Cust. #40936
> RV-10 SB Fuselage
> N801VR reserved
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=263822#263822
>
>
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| Subject: | Rivet direction? Important comment!!!! |
Don,
A better idea is to encourage everyone to register on Tim=99s
site, where contact information is secure. I have no problem if any new
RV-10 builder gives me a call looking to get questions answered, but I
prefer to not post my unlisted phone number on a public forum.
Bob
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Don McDonald
Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2009 11:58 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Rivet direction? Important comment!!!!
Hey guys, can we follow the new guys lead (gosh, it's kind of nice NOT
to be the new guy anymore) and put our address and maybe a phone number
on the bottom of each email. It sure would make it easier to contact
each other for both direct questions/responses, and linking up on cross
country flights. What do ya think?
Don McDonald
Lincoln CA LHM
916-801-8402
--- On Thu, 9/17/09, Sam Clark <helosammy@gmail.com> wrote:
From: Sam Clark <helosammy@gmail.com>
Subject: RV10-List: Rivet direction?
Hello RV-10 builders,
I have just started building. I pretty much jumped right in with both
feet and it seems to be going well so far. I have finished the vert stab
and am getting ready to start riveting the rudder. I started on the
horizontal stab spars while waiting for a replacement rudder stiffener
and have come across a bit of a perplexing question, how do I know which
way to orient the rivets? It isn=99t really clear in the plans, I
think they should probably all go the same direction so the side I
countersink gives a pretty good clue to the direction a flush rivet
goes. Am I correct in thinking they all go the same direction or does
it matter? I know for the trailing edges I should alternate direction
to help keep things straight. Any insight would help, thanks in
advance.
Sam Clark
Lexington Park, MD
get=_blank rel=nofollow>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List
=nofollow>http://forums.matronics.com
blank rel=nofollow>http://www.matronics.com/contribution
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
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| Subject: | Re: Andair Valves |
Other builders might have more to say here. I didn't use the banjos, just
AN hardware in the threaded ports. I ended up moving my valve forward from
the the stock position about 6 inches so none of my mounting details would
apply to a standard build. I moved it so I wouldn't have to take out a
bunch of the existing plumbing--I just extended what was there from the
stock valve. Now that it's forward a little, almost directly under the
quadrant, I like the placement because it gives a little more room. But, it
doesn't fall quite as easily to hand, which was nice about the stock
position.
There's been a lot of discussion on the valve install. Some are using hoses
instead of the long, complex tubes. I'd consider that too, which would make
the fitting selection easier.
Dave Saylor
AirCrafters LLC
140 Aviation Way
Watsonville, CA 95076
831-722-9141 Shop
831-750-0284 Cell
On Sat, Sep 19, 2009 at 8:32 AM, Strasnuts <sean@braunandco.com> wrote:
>
> Dave,
> Now that I am ordering my Andair valve which an fittings work the best with
> the ten. Do the banjo fittings work well?
>
> --------
> Cust. #40936
> RV-10 SB Fuselage
> N801VR reserved
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=263822#263822
>
>
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| Subject: | CB-1002-H Governor Bracket Installation Photos...? |
Beautiful bracketry.
John Cox
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Brian
Sent: Friday, September 18, 2009 9:24 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: CB-1002-H Governor Bracket Installation
Photos...?
Hope this helps...lower left of the photo.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Matt Dralle
Sent: Friday, September 18, 2009 10:58 PM
rv8-list@matronics.com;
rv7-list@matronics.com
Subject: RV10-List: CB-1002-H Governor Bracket Installation Photos...?
Dear Listers,
Van's turned me on to a bracket for the RV-10 called the CB-1002-H which
is
a bracket for mounting the governor control cable on front mounted
governors.
Does anyone have some good pictures of how this bracket is installed?
Maybe
even a scan of the baffling installation OP sheet where the RV-10
baffling
is described?
Since the IO-390 has a front mounted governor similar to the IO-540 used
on
the RV-10, some of these baffling pieces seem to work.
Any docs you could provide would be most appreciated!
Matt Dralle
RV-8 #82880 N998RV
http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's RV-8 Construction Blog Engine
Baffling...
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| Subject: | Brake line exit holes |
Hi
If you have enlarged a hole in the gear mount, you can avoid having to get a
new one by getting a welding shop to fill in the hole. You can then redrill
to the correct size.
Cheers
Les
#40643 -living in f/g hell
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Perry, Phil
Sent: September-19-09 9:27 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Brake line exit holes
I think I really screwed up this morning.
28-5 Step 4
"Enlarge the two pre-punched brake line pilot holes to 5/8 diameter"
These are the holes where the brake lines exit the bottom skin at each
landing gear mount.
I drilled the hole in the skins out to 5/8" just as the plans indicated.
While I was there (keep in mind this is a QB), I decided to install the
brake line hardware too as described on 36-2. The AN fitting doesn't fit
through the corresponding hole on the landing gear mount.
After looking at the directions, it says (a second time) to enlarge the hole
to 5/8". I can only assume they're talking about the corresponding hole in
the landing gear, to make room for the AN fitting.
So now I have a 5/8" hole in the bottom skin and in the landing gear mount.
This is the point where shock set in. I'll bet I wasn't supposed to drill
the landing gear mount to 5/8" and I'll bet the fitting is supposed to mount
to the landing gear - and pass through the skin untouched.
Now I have a really nice hole that my AN fitting will push right through.
Not to mention a weak point near a very critical structural component that
gets abused (the landing gear).
I think I just bought myself a lot of work, a new right main gear mount, and
a lot of stress.
Someone tell me I didn't..
Phil
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| Subject: | Re: Brake line exit holes |
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| Subject: | Re: Andair Valves |
Thanks again Dave,
I can get mine on order now.
--------
Cust. #40936
RV-10 SB Fuselage
N801VR reserved
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| Subject: | Re: Rivet direction? Important comment!!!! |
Ok, no telephone numbers.... but boy would it be nice if we new where everybody
was from.
Don
Lincoln, CA LHM
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Don A. McDonald
40636
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| Subject: | Re: GPS Antenna Placement |
Guys...
I've mounted my GPS antenna on top of the cabin with the small ovhd console
from Dave Saylor hiding the wiring. This is a TNC connector. The cabin top is
about an inch and half thick here.
Question is what connector. I've ordered a right angle TNC connector from Stein
but it's too short and won't fit through to the antenna. I've searched around
on the web looking for a right angle connector with a longer leg but haven't
stumbled across one.
Then it just hit me that a maybe straight TNC connector would be perfect since
I believe I have enough room for the RG400 to bend.
Or a straight extension would probably work but it'd be another joint in the mix.
SO... those who've mounted the gps antenna on the top of the console, what have
you used for connector and where'd you get it if it is a right angle connector.
Thanks,
Doug
Glued the windows in this morning while it was cool. Windscreen maybe in the morning
before church.... getting there.
--------
Doug
"Fools" are always more creative than process people and will always
find ways to ruin a perfectly good set of processes.
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| Subject: | Re: Rivet direction? Important comment!!!! |
I think the info is in Tim's site for builders with a builder number. It
would be nice if Tim's site could be sorted alphabetically as finding
someone there, one has to know the kits status to find the particular
builder.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of partner14
Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2009 2:24 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: Rivet direction? Important comment!!!!
--> <building_partner@yahoo.com>
Ok, no telephone numbers.... but boy would it be nice if we new where
everybody was from.
Don
Lincoln, CA LHM
--------
Don A. McDonald
40636
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| Subject: | Re: GPS Antenna Placement |
I opened up the hole to make room for the right angle and then goudges
out about 1/4" of the foan and filled it with flox.
Here's a picture:
http://deemsrv10.com/album/Final%20Assembly/slides/DSC07129.html
Deems Davis
www.deemsrv10.com
N519PJ
n277dl wrote:
>
> Guys...
> I've mounted my GPS antenna on top of the cabin with the small ovhd console
from Dave Saylor hiding the wiring. This is a TNC connector. The cabin top
is about an inch and half thick here.
>
> Question is what connector. I've ordered a right angle TNC connector from Stein
but it's too short and won't fit through to the antenna. I've searched around
on the web looking for a right angle connector with a longer leg but haven't
stumbled across one.
>
> Then it just hit me that a maybe straight TNC connector would be perfect since
I believe I have enough room for the RG400 to bend.
>
> Or a straight extension would probably work but it'd be another joint in the
mix.
>
> SO... those who've mounted the gps antenna on the top of the console, what have
you used for connector and where'd you get it if it is a right angle connector.
>
> Thanks,
> Doug
>
> Glued the windows in this morning while it was cool. Windscreen maybe in the
morning before church.... getting there.
>
> --------
> Doug
> "Fools" are always more creative than process people and will always
find ways to ruin a perfectly good set of processes.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=263867#263867
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Rivet direction? Important comment!!!! |
I would agree that it would be nice to download the info in a xml or excel
file periodically. However, ctrl-f works pretty good to find a specific
builder or somebody in the same geographic area.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David McNeill
Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2009 5:59 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Rivet direction? Important comment!!!!
I think the info is in Tim's site for builders with a builder number. It
would be nice if Tim's site could be sorted alphabetically as finding
someone there, one has to know the kits status to find the particular
builder.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of partner14
Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2009 2:24 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: Rivet direction? Important comment!!!!
--> <building_partner@yahoo.com>
Ok, no telephone numbers.... but boy would it be nice if we new where
everybody was from.
Don
Lincoln, CA LHM
--------
Don A. McDonald
40636
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=263864#263864
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| Subject: | Aerosport Prodducts |
Hey everyone I would like to announce a new website for RV-10 products.
Some items on the website are not available yet but will be soon. I am in the final
days of completing my RV-10 and we need to make sure everything is correct
before we release them for purchase.
The website is www.aerosportproducts.com
I welcome your comments on the products as well as any suggestions
you might have. Also I would like to Thank Bob Leffler for doing the site
I feel he did a great job .
Thanks Bob
Geoff
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Geoff Combs
RV-10 QB N829GW
Finishing
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| Subject: | Re: GPS Antenna Placement |
I just used straight.
Tim
On Sep 19, 2009, at 4:59 PM, "n277dl" <dljinia@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Guys...
> I've mounted my GPS antenna on top of the cabin with the small
> ovhd console from Dave Saylor hiding the wiring. This is a TNC
> connector. The cabin top is about an inch and half thick here.
>
> Question is what connector. I've ordered a right angle TNC
> connector from Stein but it's too short and won't fit through to the
> antenna. I've searched around on the web looking for a right angle
> connector with a longer leg but haven't stumbled across one.
>
> Then it just hit me that a maybe straight TNC connector would be
> perfect since I believe I have enough room for the RG400 to bend.
>
> Or a straight extension would probably work but it'd be another
> joint in the mix.
>
> SO... those who've mounted the gps antenna on the top of the
> console, what have you used for connector and where'd you get it if
> it is a right angle connector.
>
> Thanks,
> Doug
>
> Glued the windows in this morning while it was cool. Windscreen
> maybe in the morning before church.... getting there.
>
> --------
> Doug
> "Fools" are always more creative than process people and
> will always find ways to ruin a perfectly good set of processes.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=263867#263867
>
>
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