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1. 07:54 AM - Heater Boxes / Firewall Sealer (Perry, Phil)
2. 08:22 AM - Re: Heater Boxes / Firewall Sealer (dogsbark@comcast.net)
3. 08:22 AM - Re: Heater Boxes / Firewall Sealer (Pascal)
4. 08:25 AM - Re: Heater Boxes / Firewall Sealer (Seano)
5. 08:54 AM - Re: Ice (Strasnuts)
6. 09:12 AM - Re: Heater Boxes / Firewall Sealer (nukeflyboy)
7. 09:43 AM - Re: Heater Boxes / Firewall Sealer (Pascal)
8. 11:45 AM - Re: Re: Ice (David McNeill)
9. 07:01 PM - Fuel Flow Transducer Move (Michael Kraus)
10. 09:26 PM - Re: Heater Boxes / Firewall Sealer (AirMike)
11. 09:50 PM - Re: Re: Heater Boxes / Firewall Sealer (Pascal)
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| Subject: | Heater Boxes / Firewall Sealer |
I installed my aluminum heater boxes and even held them into position
with proseal - per the plans.
Now I'm having second thoughts for a couple of reasons.
1) They're aluminum and should they melt, there is a great hole to
blast a fire up the tunnel and over the fuel.
2) The proseal has a flashpoint of ~200 degrees.
I plan on popping these boxes off and replacing with stainless boxes.
Q) What material did you use to seal them? I could use Red RTV, but I'm
thinking firewall sealer (brand?) is a better option.
I'm also thinking of installing a thermal barrier between the boxes and
the firewall. Maybe just a bed of firewall sealer, or a box-sized
square of thermal insulation.
Q) Anyone else do that?
Thanks,
Phil
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| Subject: | Re: Heater Boxes / Firewall Sealer |
Phil,
The stainless boxes I installed came with a small tube of sealer that was r
ated to 1,600 degrees.=C2- I think some RTV is rated to 600 degrees.=C2
- Can't remember what firewall proseal is rated, but all of these are bet
ter than regular proseal.
Don't forget to install the two nutplates on the heater boxes for the cable
s before installation.
Sean Blair
COS
----- Original Message -----
From: "Phil Perry" <Phil.Perry@netapp.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 8:53:22 AM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountai
n
Subject: RV10-List: Heater Boxes / Firewall Sealer
I installed my aluminum heater boxes and even held them into position with
proseal =93 per the plans.
Now I=99m having second thoughts for a couple of reasons.
1) =C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2- They=99re aluminum and should they
melt, there is a great hole to blast a fire up the tunnel and over the fuel
.
2) =C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2- The proseal has a flashpoint of ~200 degr
ees.
I plan on popping these boxes off and replacing with stainless boxes.
Q) What material did you use to seal them?=C2- I could use Red RTV, but I
=99m thinking firewall sealer (brand?) is a better option. =C2-
I=99m also thinking of installing a thermal barrier between the boxes
and the firewall.=C2- Maybe just a bed of firewall sealer, or a box-size
d square of thermal insulation.
Q) Anyone else do that?
Thanks,
Phil
==
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| Subject: | Re: Heater Boxes / Firewall Sealer |
Phil; A couple of weeks ago we went through a thread on the benefits of
SS. I mentioned for the exact reason you covered that having SS is a
good investment.
To save you the time- http://www.planeinnovations.com/new%20heater.htm.
The heater bypass comes with a seal so you don't need to worry about
RTV.
I have a pair and it's a great product!
Pascal
From: Perry, Phil
Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 7:53 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Heater Boxes / Firewall Sealer
I installed my aluminum heater boxes and even held them into position
with proseal - per the plans.
Now I'm having second thoughts for a couple of reasons.
1) They're aluminum and should they melt, there is a great hole to
blast a fire up the tunnel and over the fuel.
2) The proseal has a flashpoint of ~200 degrees.
I plan on popping these boxes off and replacing with stainless boxes.
Q) What material did you use to seal them? I could use Red RTV, but I'm
thinking firewall sealer (brand?) is a better option.
I'm also thinking of installing a thermal barrier between the boxes and
the firewall. Maybe just a bed of firewall sealer, or a box-sized
square of thermal insulation.
Q) Anyone else do that?
Thanks,
Phil
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| Subject: | Re: Heater Boxes / Firewall Sealer |
I just used the sealant that comes with the stainless parts from plane
innovations.
----- Original Message -----
From: Perry, Phil
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 8:53 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Heater Boxes / Firewall Sealer
I installed my aluminum heater boxes and even held them into position
with proseal - per the plans.
Now I'm having second thoughts for a couple of reasons.
1) They're aluminum and should they melt, there is a great hole
to blast a fire up the tunnel and over the fuel.
2) The proseal has a flashpoint of ~200 degrees.
I plan on popping these boxes off and replacing with stainless boxes.
Q) What material did you use to seal them? I could use Red RTV, but
I'm thinking firewall sealer (brand?) is a better option.
I'm also thinking of installing a thermal barrier between the boxes
and the firewall. Maybe just a bed of firewall sealer, or a box-sized
square of thermal insulation.
Q) Anyone else do that?
Thanks,
Phil
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You probably won't like my answer since my 10 is not flying, but knowing if a plane
(not made for icing) does kind of okay is probably best not knowing. There
have been several Cirrus aircraft that was legal for inadvertent icing encounter
and crashed from it. Now the new Cirrus are certified for known icing.
I fly a Citation Jet for a company and maybe I don't know enough but you never
can tell how much ice is going to accumulate on the aircraft. I personally
believe it is a very hard question to answer and to try not to get in icing.
If you think the plane will do okay in it, it may persuade you to stay in it.
Having said all of that I have been in icing in a plane not made for it. I got
out of it as soon as I could.
--------
Cust. #40936
RV-10 SB Fuselage
N801VR reserved
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| Subject: | Re: Heater Boxes / Firewall Sealer |
I used a thick (1/8 in) silicone gasket under the heater box. This idea came from
Tim (I think) as an unverified way to minimize heat transfer into the tunnel.
Sounded like a good idea.
Since the sealant is not part of the fire barrier per se, I don't think it matters
a lot. High temp RTV should work fine.
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Dave Moore
RV-6 flying
RV-10 QB - cabin top/fiberglass hell
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| Subject: | Re: Heater Boxes / Firewall Sealer |
Mine came with the attachments, I think Paul updated them. Call Paul at
Plane innovations and ask him.
From: dogsbark@comcast.net
Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 8:19 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Heater Boxes / Firewall Sealer
Phil,
The stainless boxes I installed came with a small tube of sealer that
was rated to 1,600 degrees. I think some RTV is rated to 600 degrees.
Can't remember what firewall proseal is rated, but all of these are
better than regular proseal.
Don't forget to install the two nutplates on the heater boxes for the
cables before installation.
Sean Blair
COS
----- Original Message -----
From: "Phil Perry" <Phil.Perry@netapp.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 8:53:22 AM GMT -07:00 US/Canada
Mountain
Subject: RV10-List: Heater Boxes / Firewall Sealer
I installed my aluminum heater boxes and even held them into position
with proseal =93 per the plans.
Now I=99m having second thoughts for a couple of reasons.
1) They=99re aluminum and should they melt, there is a great
hole to blast a fire up the tunnel and over the fuel.
2) The proseal has a flashpoint of ~200 degrees.
I plan on popping these boxes off and replacing with stainless boxes.
Q) What material did you use to seal them? I could use Red RTV, but
I=99m thinking firewall sealer (brand?) is a better option.
I=99m also thinking of installing a thermal barrier between the
boxes and the firewall. Maybe just a bed of firewall sealer, or a
box-sized square of thermal insulation.
Q) Anyone else do that?
Thanks,
Phil
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Having flown a Cessna in the Midwest (OK,MO,IL,IN) during all seasons. One
sets some ground rules. If one is going to fly during the winter in the
Midwest the aircraft is going to accept minimal icing or accept some very
hazardous VFR underneath. My rules are no continuous flight in icing
conditions. No flight near freezing rain. I do accept that I may have to
endure 3-5 minutes of climb in IMC to get on top. I may have to accept 3-5
minutes of ice on the approach. Of course the approach must be certainty
(well above minimums). I also refuse clearances that will take me into icing
until I am ready. SGF approach once offered a lower altitude at 30NM out. My
then current temperature was a +2C and the SGF surface temperature was -8C.
I refused the descent until vectored and cleared for the ILS approach about
7NM out). At 120KIAS to the marker and then 90KIAS, my exposure to ice would
be about 4 minutes. Conditions on the surface were 500 and 2. Yes I picked
up some ice during the approach but the runway was long the approach speed
was +20KIAS above normal landing speed. I now live in the mountainous west
where MEAs are very high and would guarantee icing in IMC except for a few
summer months. The rules out here are VFR underneath unless the freezing
levels are above freezing at the planned altitude.
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Strasnuts
Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 8:54 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: Ice
You probably won't like my answer since my 10 is not flying, but knowing if
a plane (not made for icing) does kind of okay is probably best not knowing.
There have been several Cirrus aircraft that was legal for inadvertent icing
encounter and crashed from it. Now the new Cirrus are certified for known
icing. I fly a Citation Jet for a company and maybe I don't know enough but
you never can tell how much ice is going to accumulate on the aircraft. I
personally believe it is a very hard question to answer and to try not to
get in icing. If you think the plane will do okay in it, it may persuade
you to stay in it. Having said all of that I have been in icing in a plane
not made for it. I got out of it as soon as I could.
--------
Cust. #40936
RV-10 SB Fuselage
N801VR reserved
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=264537#264537
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| Subject: | Fuel Flow Transducer Move |
For those that moved the fuel flow transducer between the servo and
the spider, how and where exactly did you mount it? Pictures would be
even better!
Thanks
-Mike Kraus
RV-4 Flying
RV-10 FWF and Wiring
Sent from my iPhone
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| Subject: | Re: Heater Boxes / Firewall Sealer |
Another vote here for Paul at:
http://www.planeinnovations.com/new%20wheelpant.htm
Paul is great and VERY helpful. I consider the heater valves a must option
--------
OSH '10 or Bust
Q/B Kit - phase 1
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| Subject: | Re: Heater Boxes / Firewall Sealer |
Have these too! I know the manufacturer of these personally and he makes
quality products. Think there was a hinge cover in development, waiting for
my order to arrive but I think I'll be equally happy with that product as
well.
Pascal
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From: "AirMike" <Mikeabel@Pacbell.net>
Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 9:26 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: Heater Boxes / Firewall Sealer
>
> Another vote here for Paul at:
>
> http://www.planeinnovations.com/new%20wheelpant.htm
>
> Paul is great and VERY helpful. I consider the heater valves a must option
>
> --------
> OSH '10 or Bust
> Q/B Kit - phase 1
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=264663#264663
>
>
>
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