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1. 04:32 AM - Re: Fuel Flow Transducer Move (orchidman)
2. 05:11 AM - FireWall Engine Side Paint? (conradb)
3. 09:05 AM - Re: Fuel Flow Transducer Move (Nick Leonard)
4. 09:22 AM - Re: Re: Fuel Flow Transducer Move (Miller John)
5. 09:33 AM - Chargers (Dawson-Townsend,Timothy)
6. 09:43 AM - Re: Chargers (Ralph E. Capen)
7. 09:43 AM - Re: Re: Fuel Flow Transducer Move (Marcus Cooper)
8. 09:53 AM - Re: Re: Fuel Flow Transducer Move (Rene Felker)
9. 09:55 AM - Re: Chargers (Rene Felker)
10. 10:11 AM - Re: Re: Fuel Flow Transducer Move (William Curtis)
11. 10:11 AM - Re: Chargers (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
12. 10:12 AM - Re: Chargers (William Curtis)
13. 10:12 AM - Re: Chargers (Linn Walters)
14. 10:13 AM - Re: Re: Fuel Flow Transducer Move (David McNeill)
15. 10:13 AM - Re: Chargers (David McNeill)
16. 10:13 AM - Re: Chargers (Miller John)
17. 10:24 AM - Re: Chargers (Ande Boyer)
18. 10:42 AM - Re: Re: Fuel Flow Transducer Move (Jesse Saint)
19. 10:43 AM - Re: Chargers (Bill Mauledriver Watson)
20. 10:53 AM - Re: Chargers (Ralph E. Capen)
21. 10:53 AM - Engine Sensing wire birds nest - any good pics on wire management (Bill Mauledriver Watson)
22. 10:53 AM - Re: Chargers (Linn Walters)
23. 10:53 AM - Re: Re: Fuel Flow Transducer Move (David Maib)
24. 10:54 AM - Re: Chargers (Jesse Saint)
25. 11:16 AM - Re: Fuel Flow Transducer Move (orchidman)
26. 11:24 AM - Re: Chargers (Rick Sked)
27. 11:24 AM - Re: Chargers (Jeff Carpenter)
28. 11:50 AM - Re: Re: Fuel Flow Transducer Move (Patrick Thyssen)
29. 12:17 PM - Re: Chargers (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
30. 12:48 PM - Window trim - inside (n277dl)
31. 01:17 PM - Re: Re: Fuel Flow Transducer Move (William Curtis)
32. 01:39 PM - Re: Window trim - inside (William Curtis)
33. 01:55 PM - Re: Re: Fuel Flow Transducer Move (Richard Bibb)
34. 02:24 PM - Re: Chargers (Tim Olson)
35. 02:46 PM - Re: Re: Fuel Flow Transducer Move (Deems Davis)
36. 02:57 PM - Re: Engine Sensing wire birds nest - any good pics on wire management (Deems Davis)
37. 03:32 PM - Re: Re: Fuel Flow Transducer Move (McGann, Ron)
38. 04:35 PM - Re: Re: Ice (Thane States)
39. 04:46 PM - Re: Chargers (McGann, Ron)
40. 04:56 PM - Re: Chargers (Don McDonald)
41. 06:05 PM - Re: Chargers (David McNeill)
42. 06:05 PM - Re: Chargers (Brian)
43. 06:09 PM - Re: Chargers (Miller John)
44. 06:58 PM - Re: Chargers ...... and batteries (Linn Walters)
45. 07:18 PM - Re: Chargers (Strasnuts)
46. 07:41 PM - Re: Re: Fuel Flow Transducer Move (Patrick Thyssen)
47. 07:51 PM - Re: Re: Fuel Flow Transducer Move (Richard Sipp)
48. 07:58 PM - Re: Re: Ice (David McNeill)
49. 08:21 PM - Re: Re: Fuel Flow Transducer Move (Patrick Thyssen)
50. 08:28 PM - Re: Re: Ice (Seano)
51. 08:36 PM - Re: Engine Sensing wire birds nest - any good pics on wire management (Bill Mauledriver Watson)
52. 09:41 PM - Re: Re: Fuel Flow Transducer Move (Tim Olson)
53. 11:44 PM - Re: Re: Chargers (Patrick Thyssen)
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Flow Transducer Move |
n223rv(at)wolflakeairport wrote:
> For those that moved the fuel flow transducer between the servo and
> the spider, how and where exactly did you mount it? Pictures would be
> even better!
>
Here is a link to a picture where I put mine. It is where AFS recommends putting
it.
http://www.wingscc.com/N2GB/FF4-FuelSystem/100_3208.html
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Gary Blankenbiller
RV10 - # 40674
(N2GB Flying)
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| Subject: | FireWall Engine Side Paint? |
F.Y.I. => I am wondering if the engine side of the Firewall will get hot. I noticed
that nobody paints the engine side of the Firewall except me. (I did not
like bare stainless steel) My question is I applied a shinny epoxy that has
a 200 degree F. upper heat temp. I am thinking unless I want to smell cooked
or "burnt" paint I need to remove this low temp. paint and replace with a 1200
degree F. or greater barbeque or engine block type paint. Am I on the right
track removing the paint or am I O.K. with the 200 degree paint.
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Conrad Booze
Sr. Engineer
P. O. Box 7028
Warner Robins, GA. 31095
(478)-335-4264
conradbooze@cox.net
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Flow Transducer Move |
As an informal survey for the rest of us, it would be interesting to get feedback
from those that have left it where Van's originally suggested. Are any of
you having any trouble with the transducer in that location?
How many people have moved the unit because of inaccurate readings or other problems?
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Nick Leonard
RV-10 (40015) Finish
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Flow Transducer Move |
Mine is mounted on the firewall, and my readings fluctuate slightly
under stable conditions.
Not sure if I'm going to move it one day.
grumpy
N184JM
do not archive
On Sep 24, 2009, at 11:05 AM, Nick Leonard wrote:
>
> As an informal survey for the rest of us, it would be interesting to
> get feedback from those that have left it where Van's originally
> suggested. Are any of you having any trouble with the transducer in
> that location?
>
> How many people have moved the unit because of inaccurate readings
> or other problems?
>
> --------
> Nick Leonard
> RV-10 (40015) Finish
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=264706#264706
>
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What are folks following for a battery-charging philosophy? I am using
Odyssey PC680s (who isn't?), and was wondering if folks are trickle
charging all the time when you're in the hangar, only when not expecting
to fly for a while, or only when it's winter, etc.
Please share your thoughts.
TDT
Tim Dawson-Townsend
Aurora Flight Sciences
tdt@aurora.aero
617-500-4812 (office)
617-905-4800 (mobile)
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My plane has a Sony AM/FM/CD/MP3 player in it that sucks juice all the time.
I use a BatteryHawk that SafeAir1 sells to keep my PC680 charged almost all of
the time. I haven't tried going a week without it yet......It's a smart trickle
charger that I built in during construction.....
Ralph
RV6A N822AR @ N06 37 hrs
Collecting RV10 parts on the side.....
-----Original Message-----
>From: "Dawson-Townsend,Timothy" <tdawson-townsend@aurora.aero>
>Sent: Sep 24, 2009 12:25 PM
>To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RV10-List: Chargers
>
>What are folks following for a battery-charging philosophy? I am using
>Odyssey PC680s (who isn't?), and was wondering if folks are trickle
>charging all the time when you're in the hangar, only when not expecting
>to fly for a while, or only when it's winter, etc.
>
>
>
>Please share your thoughts.
>
>
>TDT
>
>
>
>
>Tim Dawson-Townsend
>
>Aurora Flight Sciences
>
>tdt@aurora.aero
>
>617-500-4812 (office)
>
>617-905-4800 (mobile)
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Flow Transducer Move |
I have about 430 hours with the transducer in the plans location. No real
issues although I do notice a slight FF drop when I turn the boost pump off.
So far it has been very accurate and consistent.
Marcus
40286
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Nick Leonard
Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 12:05 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: Fuel Flow Transducer Move
As an informal survey for the rest of us, it would be interesting to get
feedback from those that have left it where Van's originally suggested. Are
any of you having any trouble with the transducer in that location?
How many people have moved the unit because of inaccurate readings or other
problems?
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Nick Leonard
RV-10 (40015) Finish
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=264706#264706
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Flow Transducer Move |
I left mine in the standard position. I see very minor fluctuations....I do
not think it is a problem.
Rene' Felker
RV-10 N423CF Flying
801-721-6080
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Nick Leonard
Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 10:05 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: Fuel Flow Transducer Move
As an informal survey for the rest of us, it would be interesting to get
feedback from those that have left it where Van's originally suggested. Are
any of you having any trouble with the transducer in that location?
How many people have moved the unit because of inaccurate readings or other
problems?
--------
Nick Leonard
RV-10 (40015) Finish
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=264706#264706
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I am using a 925, and have a trickle charger. I only use it when I am
leaving the master switch on (without the engine running J) for an extended
period of time.
I have not had a problem starting even on very cold days.
Rene' Felker
RV-10 N423CF Flying
801-721-6080
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
Dawson-Townsend,Timothy
Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 10:26 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Chargers
What are folks following for a battery-charging philosophy? I am using
Odyssey PC680s (who isn't?), and was wondering if folks are trickle charging
all the time when you're in the hangar, only when not expecting to fly for a
while, or only when it's winter, etc.
Please share your thoughts.
TDT
Tim Dawson-Townsend
Aurora Flight Sciences
tdt@aurora.aero
617-500-4812 (office)
617-905-4800 (mobile)
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Flow Transducer Move |
I think the general consensus is that is works fine in the standard location
(tunnel) if you can accept some variability in flow indications when the
electric fuel pump is on. With that being said, mine sits BEFORE the flow
divider on top of the air box in the picture below. It is not flying yet
but in my Cardinal it is AFTER the mechanical fuel pump BEFORE the servo
and very stable.
http://wcurtis.nerv10.com/90Electrical/EL2g.html
William
http://wcurtis.nerv10.com/
On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 12:05 PM, Nick Leonard <nick@nleonard.com> wrote:
>
> As an informal survey for the rest of us, it would be interesting to get
> feedback from those that have left it where Van's originally suggested. Are
> any of you having any trouble with the transducer in that location?
>
> How many people have moved the unit because of inaccurate readings or other
> problems?
>
> --------
> Nick Leonard
> RV-10 (40015) Finish
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=264706#264706
>
>
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I'm using the BatteryMinder 12248 for my Odyssey batteries. There was a
write-up in one of the mags a few months back comparing different chargers
and this one looked to be the best. It will charge any style lead acid bat
tery and also desulphates. They will say on their site that you should get
their "special" charger for Odyssey batteries but it only has a single pro
file in it for Odyssey AGM batteries.
I spent a bunch of time looking at the information on the "special" charg
er vs. the 12248 which will charge flooded, AGM, and gel batteries and coul
d not find a difference in the Odyssey vs. the AGM profiles that made it wo
rthwhile. I also run the Odyssey in my motorcycle and ATV but I wanted the
options and I have been very happy with it.
Michael
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@m
atronics.com] On Behalf Of Dawson-Townsend,Timothy
Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 11:26 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Chargers
What are folks following for a battery-charging philosophy? I am using Ody
ssey PC680s (who isn't?), and was wondering if folks are trickle charging a
ll the time when you're in the hangar, only when not expecting to fly for a
while, or only when it's winter, etc.
Please share your thoughts.
TDT
Tim Dawson-Townsend
Aurora Flight Sciences
tdt@aurora.aero<mailto:tdt@aurora.aero>
617-500-4812 (office)
617-905-4800 (mobile)
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I was just thinking about that yesterday and came across this.
"Unlike conventional batteries that need to be recharged every six to twelv
e
weeks, the Odyssey battery will maintain up to 50% state of charge after 2
yrs if stored at room temperature (77=BAF). At temperatures lower than 77
=B0F,
storage times will be even longer"
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/elpages/odysseydry.php
William
http://wcurtis.nerv10.com/
On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 12:25 PM, Dawson-Townsend,Timothy <
tdawson-townsend@aurora.aero> wrote:
> What are folks following for a battery-charging philosophy? I am using
> Odyssey PC680s (who isn=92t?), and was wondering if folks are trickle cha
rging
> all the time when you=92re in the hangar, only when not expecting to fly
for a
> while, or only when it=92s winter, etc.
>
>
> Please share your thoughts.
>
>
> TDT
>
>
> Tim Dawson-Townsend
>
> Aurora Flight Sciences
>
> tdt@aurora.aero
>
> 617-500-4812 (office)
>
> 617-905-4800 (mobile)
>
>
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I leave my birds on the trickle charge almost all of the time .....
exception is when I'm in a hurry to lock up or just plain forget.
Linn
Dawson-Townsend,Timothy wrote:
> What are folks following for a battery-charging philosophy? I am using
> Odyssey PC680s (who isnt?), and was wondering if folks are trickle
> charging all the time when youre in the hangar, only when not expecting
> to fly for a while, or only when its winter, etc.
>
>
>
> Please share your thoughts.
>
>
> TDT
>
>
>
> Tim Dawson-Townsend
>
> Aurora Flight Sciences
>
> tdt@aurora.aero <mailto:tdt@aurora.aero>
>
> 617-500-4812 (office)
>
> 617-905-4800 (mobile)
>
>
>
> *
>
>
> *
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Flow Transducer Move |
No problem with the Vans location. Engine is certified IO540D4A5.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Nick Leonard
Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 9:05 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: Fuel Flow Transducer Move
As an informal survey for the rest of us, it would be interesting to get
feedback from those that have left it where Van's originally suggested. Are
any of you having any trouble with the transducer in that location?
How many people have moved the unit because of inaccurate readings or other
problems?
--------
Nick Leonard
RV-10 (40015) Finish
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=264706#264706
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no trickle charger but I use 1 or 2 680s in parallel for starting. 2 680s
turn prop rapidly.
_____
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
Dawson-Townsend,Timothy
Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 9:26 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Chargers
What are folks following for a battery-charging philosophy? I am using
Odyssey PC680s (who isn't?), and was wondering if folks are trickle charging
all the time when you're in the hangar, only when not expecting to fly for a
while, or only when it's winter, etc.
Please share your thoughts.
TDT
Tim Dawson-Townsend
Aurora Flight Sciences
tdt@aurora.aero
617-500-4812 (office)
617-905-4800 (mobile)
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Been using battery tender on both of my PC 680's constantly as
recommended in light plane maintenance magazine.
Their research convinced me to keep mine plugged up when not flying.
grumpy
N184JM
On Sep 24, 2009, at 11:25 AM, Dawson-Townsend,Timothy wrote:
> What are folks following for a battery-charging philosophy? I am
> using Odyssey PC680s (who isn=92t?), and was wondering if folks are
> trickle charging all the time when you=92re in the hangar, only when
> not expecting to fly for a while, or only when it=92s winter, etc.
>
> Please share your thoughts.
>
> TDT
>
>
> Tim Dawson-Townsend
> Aurora Flight Sciences
> tdt@aurora.aero
> 617-500-4812 (office)
> 617-905-4800 (mobile)
>
>
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Here's a noob question for you guys (I'm in the "prebuild/investigation"
phase of my RV-10 ;-)....
It sounds like you guys have a battery charger as standard equipment. Why i
s
this? Does the battery that goes in the RV-10 not hold a charge? Or is
there some kind of current leak?
I've got a Warrior atm and we have no problem going weeks w/o running it an
d
it always cranks up just fine.
Just wondering.....I've only been on this list for about 3 days and have
already learned so much.
Thanks,
Ande Boyer
Huntsville, AL
On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 11:25 AM, Dawson-Townsend,Timothy <
tdawson-townsend@aurora.aero> wrote:
> What are folks following for a battery-charging philosophy? I am using
> Odyssey PC680s (who isn=92t?), and was wondering if folks are trickle cha
rging
> all the time when you=92re in the hangar, only when not expecting to fly
for a
> while, or only when it=92s winter, etc.
>
>
> Please share your thoughts.
>
>
> TDT
>
>
> Tim Dawson-Townsend
>
> Aurora Flight Sciences
>
> tdt@aurora.aero
>
> 617-500-4812 (office)
>
> 617-905-4800 (mobile)
>
>
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world, to purify their soul in the sky, and they come down to earth, only
after receiving the communion of the infinite." - Jos=E9 Maria Velasco Ibar
ra
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Flow Transducer Move |
The only problem I have seen with the transducer in the tunnel is that
it reads a little high when the boost pump is on.
do not archive
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse@saintaviation.com
Cell: 352-427-0285
Fax: 815-377-3694
On Sep 24, 2009, at 12:05 PM, Nick Leonard wrote:
>
> As an informal survey for the rest of us, it would be interesting to
> get feedback from those that have left it where Van's originally
> suggested. Are any of you having any trouble with the transducer in
> that location?
>
> How many people have moved the unit because of inaccurate readings
> or other problems?
>
> --------
> Nick Leonard
> RV-10 (40015) Finish
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=264706#264706
>
>
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I'm still in the shop but my GRTs have an "always on" circuit I guess
for the clock. So I plan to generally stay on trickle.
I installed an internal jack in the baggage compartment for this purpose.
Bill "building the engine sensing birds nest" Watson
Dawson-Townsend,Timothy wrote:
>
> What are folks following for a battery-charging philosophy? I am using
> Odyssey PC680s (who isnt?), and was wondering if folks are trickle
> charging all the time when youre in the hangar, only when not
> expecting to fly for a while, or only when its winter, etc.
>
> Please share your thoughts.
>
>
> TDT
>
> Tim Dawson-Townsend
>
> Aurora Flight Sciences
>
> tdt@aurora.aero <mailto:tdt@aurora.aero>
>
> 617-500-4812 (office)
>
> 617-905-4800 (mobile)
>
> *
>
>
> *
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In my case it is not a battery leak per se....rather something that is always on......
-----Original Message-----
>From: Ande Boyer <ande.boyer@gmail.com>
>Sent: Sep 24, 2009 1:23 PM
>To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: RV10-List: Chargers
>
>Here's a noob question for you guys (I'm in the "prebuild/investigation"
>phase of my RV-10 ;-)....
>
>It sounds like you guys have a battery charger as standard equipment. Why is
>this? Does the battery that goes in the RV-10 not hold a charge? Or is
>there some kind of current leak?
>
>I've got a Warrior atm and we have no problem going weeks w/o running it and
>it always cranks up just fine.
>
>Just wondering.....I've only been on this list for about 3 days and have
>already learned so much.
>
>Thanks,
>Ande Boyer
>Huntsville, AL
>
>
>On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 11:25 AM, Dawson-Townsend,Timothy <
>tdawson-townsend@aurora.aero> wrote:
>
>> What are folks following for a battery-charging philosophy? I am using
>> Odyssey PC680s (who isnt?), and was wondering if folks are trickle charging
>> all the time when youre in the hangar, only when not expecting to fly for a
>> while, or only when its winter, etc.
>>
>>
>>
>> Please share your thoughts.
>>
>>
>> TDT
>>
>>
>>
>> Tim Dawson-Townsend
>>
>> Aurora Flight Sciences
>>
>> tdt@aurora.aero
>>
>> 617-500-4812 (office)
>>
>> 617-905-4800 (mobile)
>>
>>
>>
>> *
>>
>===========
>===========
>===========
>===========
>> *
>>
>>
>
>
>--
>"Pilots are a rare kind of human. They leave the ordinary surface of the
>world, to purify their soul in the sky, and they come down to earth, only
>after receiving the communion of the infinite." - Jos Maria Velasco Ibarra
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| Subject: | Engine Sensing wire birds nest - any good pics on wire management |
I'm putting in the EGT and CHT lines and it looks pretty straight
forward. I have the sensor leads in place but I'm wondering exactly how
to route and clamp the lines from the GRT coming through the firewall to
hook up to the sensor leads.
Anyone have a picture of how they did it? I've been searching but can't
quite find a good pic of that part. Seems straight forward but looking
for additional ideas.
Thanks Scott S. for the good photos of your engine compartment.... very
clean like the rest of your ship!
Bill "taming the latest birds nest" Watson
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You better quit investigating ..... it'll cost ya!!! <GR>
The reasons for using trickle chargers varies amongst the users. For me,
I don't mount the charger in the airplane .... I like the mobility of
using them elsewhere. For me, the reason I use the trickle charger on
all my flooded/gel batteries is to prolong their use. The desulfator
option is important, and you should pay the price.
The RV-10 is no different .... battery wise .... than any vehicle that
doesn't get daily/weekly use ....... leaving the trickle charger off
will shorten it's useful life. IMHO, of course.
Linn
Ande Boyer wrote:
> Here's a noob question for you guys (I'm in the "prebuild/investigation"
> phase of my RV-10 ;-)....
>
> It sounds like you guys have a battery charger as standard equipment.
> Why is this? Does the battery that goes in the RV-10 not hold a charge?
> Or is there some kind of current leak?
>
> I've got a Warrior atm and we have no problem going weeks w/o running it
> and it always cranks up just fine.
>
> Just wondering.....I've only been on this list for about 3 days and have
> already learned so much.
>
> Thanks,
> Ande Boyer
> Huntsville, AL
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Flow Transducer Move |
Van's location with no issues on an IO-540-C4B5. I get some minor
fluctuations (.2 gph) at times. I only notice this when adjusting to
LOP operations. Not nearly bothersome enough to consider moving it at
this point in time. If I had steam gauges instead of a digital
readout, I doubt that I would even notice it at all.
David Maib
40559
Flying/150 hours
On Sep 24, 2009, at 1:06 PM, David McNeill wrote:
No problem with the Vans location. Engine is certified IO540D4A5.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Nick Leonard
Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 9:05 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: Fuel Flow Transducer Move
As an informal survey for the rest of us, it would be interesting to get
feedback from those that have left it where Van's originally
suggested. Are
any of you having any trouble with the transducer in that location?
How many people have moved the unit because of inaccurate readings or
other
problems?
--------
Nick Leonard
RV-10 (40015) Finish
Read this topic online here:
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I only put a charge on when I'm working on avionics or something
without the engine running. Every once in a while, if the plane has
been sitting for a while, I'll throw a charger on it just to make sure
it is up to cranking. Never had a problem. I use the Concord
standard battery that Van's makes the tray for.
do not archive
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse@saintaviation.com
Cell: 352-427-0285
Fax: 815-377-3694
On Sep 24, 2009, at 1:23 PM, Ande Boyer wrote:
> Here's a noob question for you guys (I'm in the "prebuild/
> investigation" phase of my RV-10 ;-)....
>
> It sounds like you guys have a battery charger as standard
> equipment. Why is this? Does the battery that goes in the RV-10 not
> hold a charge? Or is there some kind of current leak?
>
> I've got a Warrior atm and we have no problem going weeks w/o
> running it and it always cranks up just fine.
>
> Just wondering.....I've only been on this list for about 3 days and
> have already learned so much.
>
> Thanks,
> Ande Boyer
> Huntsville, AL
>
>
> On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 11:25 AM, Dawson-Townsend,Timothy
<tdawson-townsend@aurora.aero
> > wrote:
> What are folks following for a battery-charging philosophy? I am
> using Odyssey PC680s (who isn=92t?), and was wondering if folks are
> trickle charging all the time when you=92re in the hangar, only when
> not expecting to fly for a while, or only when it=92s winter, etc.
>
>
> Please share your thoughts.
>
>
> TDT
>
>
> Tim Dawson-Townsend
>
> Aurora Flight Sciences
>
> tdt@aurora.aero
>
> 617-500-4812 (office)
>
> 617-905-4800 (mobile)
>
>
> get="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List
> ttp://forums.matronics.com
> _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>
>
> --
> "Pilots are a rare kind of human. They leave the ordinary surface of
> the world, to purify their soul in the sky, and they come down to
> earth, only after receiving the communion of the infinite." - Jos=E9
> Maria Velasco Ibarra
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Flow Transducer Move |
wcurtis(at)nerv10.com wrote:
> I think the general consensus is that is works fine in the standard location
(tunnel) if you can?accept some variability in flow indications when the electric
fuel pump is on.? With that being said, mine sits BEFORE the flow divider
on top of the air box in the picture below.? It is not flying yet but in my Cardinal
it is AFTER the mechanical fuel pump BEFORE the servo and?very stable.
> ?
> http://wcurtis.nerv10.com/90Electrical/EL2g.html (http://wcurtis.nerv10.com/90Electrical/EL2g.html)
> ?
> William
William,
If the transducer in your picture is from AFS, contact them. Mine leaked around
the gasket on the cover plate. There was a recall from the mfg and they replaced
mine right away. That was my only real problem during my fly off. Took
me some time to identify where the leak was coming from. The transducer in my
picture is the old one. The new one does not have that little filled slot on
the cover.
I am sure glad I had moved the transducer from the tunnel to north of the firewall.
--------
Gary Blankenbiller
RV10 - # 40674
(N2GB Flying)
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Ande,
No current or voltage demands. The Rv is no =C2- different than any other
aircraft except most don't meet the requirments of a certified aircraft, t
hey exceed them! . The reason most of us have chargers is the time we spent
setting up the avionics, doing systems checks, learning the new equipment
etc etc,,,,in other words lots of battery time doing that. Plus most of us
tend to be tool hogs so it's another good excuse to blow 50 bucks on antoeh
r piece of equipment.
Rick Sked
N246RS
Air officially under butt
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ande Boyer" <ande.boyer@gmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 10:23:47 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Chargers
Here's a noob question for you guys (I'm in the "prebuild/investigation" ph
ase of my RV-10 ;-)....
It sounds like you guys have a battery charger as standard equipment. Why i
s this? Does the battery that goes in the RV-10 not hold a charge?=C2- Or
is there some kind of current leak?
I've got a=C2-Warrior atm and we have no problem going weeks w/o running
it and it always cranks up just fine.
Just wondering.....I've only been on this list for about 3 days and have al
ready learned so much.
Thanks,
Ande Boyer
Huntsville, AL
=C2-
On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 11:25 AM, Dawson-Townsend,Timothy < tdawson-townsen
d@aurora.aero > wrote:
What are folks following for a battery-charging philosophy?=C2- I am usin
g Odyssey PC680s (who isn=99t?), and was wondering if folks are trick
le charging all the time when you=99re in the hangar, only when not e
xpecting to fly for a while, or only when it=99s winter, etc.
Please share your thoughts.
TDT
Tim Dawson-Townsend
Aurora Flight Sciences
tdt@aurora.aero
617-500-4812 (office)
617-905-4800 (mobile)
get="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List ttp://forums.ma
tronics.com _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
--
"Pilots are a rare kind of human. They leave the ordinary surface of the wo
rld, to purify their soul in the sky, and they come down to earth, only aft
er receiving the communion of the infinite." - Jos=C3=A9 Maria Velasco Ibar
ra
==
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Hi Ande,
The care and feeding of batteries (especially as panels are less
likely to have vacuum pump instruments) is an important part of safe
flying. An RV-10, with a long distance from the battery to the
starter, requires a well charged battery to start. Most of us aren't
able to fly consistently, so a trickle charger is appealing. However,
all trickle chargers are not created equally, and one that over
charges will damage the battery.
If you are not a member of the Aeroelectric list
(aeroelectric-list@matronics.com
) moderated by Bob Nuckolls, I suggest you become one. There is a
mountain of discussion of this issue in the archives over there and
the knowledge you'll gain is well worth the time spent.
Jeff Carpenter
40304... still fitting doors and windows
On Sep 24, 2009, at 10:23 AM, Ande Boyer wrote:
> Here's a noob question for you guys (I'm in the "prebuild/
> investigation" phase of my RV-10 ;-)....
>
> It sounds like you guys have a battery charger as standard
> equipment. Why is this? Does the battery that goes in the RV-10 not
> hold a charge? Or is there some kind of current leak?
>
> I've got a Warrior atm and we have no problem going weeks w/o
> running it and it always cranks up just fine.
>
> Just wondering.....I've only been on this list for about 3 days and
> have already learned so much.
>
> Thanks,
> Ande Boyer
> Huntsville, AL
>
>
> On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 11:25 AM, Dawson-Townsend,Timothy
<tdawson-townsend@aurora.aero
> > wrote:
> What are folks following for a battery-charging philosophy? I am
> using Odyssey PC680s (who isn=92t?), and was wondering if folks are
> trickle charging all the time when you=92re in the hangar, only when
> not expecting to fly for a while, or only when it=92s winter, etc.
>
>
> Please share your thoughts.
>
>
> TDT
>
>
> Tim Dawson-Townsend
>
> Aurora Flight Sciences
>
> tdt@aurora.aero
>
> 617-500-4812 (office)
>
> 617-905-4800 (mobile)
>
>
> get="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List
> ttp://forums.matronics.com
> _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>
>
> --
> "Pilots are a rare kind of human. They leave the ordinary surface of
> the world, to purify their soul in the sky, and they come down to
> earth, only after receiving the communion of the infinite." - Jos=E9
> Maria Velasco Ibarra
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Flow Transducer Move |
Question, Why the teflon tape or pipe sealent? Why aluminum fitting into th
e transducer?
JP instruments and I suggest never ever use that stuff on the transducer. A
nd it would be a lot better if you had a straight out fitting from the tran
sducer. Not the ninety. Good book to read Is the JPI installation manual. I
think it''s the second page where it says, read this first.
But that just my opinion and we all have one.
-Patrick Thyssen
But then I too made a mistake and bought OP Equiptment And now I'm fixing t
hat.
Dual 430w and garmin G500. Now I know they will work.--
--- On Thu, 9/24/09, William Curtis <wcurtis@nerv10.com> wrote:
From: William Curtis <wcurtis@nerv10.com>
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Fuel Flow Transducer Move
I think the general consensus is that is works fine in the standard locatio
n (tunnel) if you can-accept some variability in flow indications when th
e electric fuel pump is on.- With that being said, mine sits BEFORE the f
low divider on top of the air box in the picture below.- It is not flying
yet but in my Cardinal it is AFTER the mechanical fuel pump BEFORE the ser
vo and-very stable.=0A=0A-=0Ahttp://wcurtis.nerv10.com/90Electrical/EL2
g.html=0A-=0AWilliam=0Ahttp://wcurtis.nerv10.com/=0A
-=0AOn Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 12:05 PM, Nick Leonard <nick@nleonard.com> wr
ote:
=0A
As an informal survey for the rest of us, it would be interesting to get fe
edback from those that have left it where Van's originally suggested. -Ar
e any of you having any trouble with the transducer in that location?
=0A
How many people have moved the unit because of inaccurate readings or other
problems?
--------
Nick Leonard
RV-10 (40015) Finish
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=264706#264706
=0At Un/Subscription,
=0Awww.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List" target="_blank">http://www.matr
onics.com/Navigator?RV10-List
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Nope, just standard equipment in my shop. Using it regularly can just be c
hocked up to preventative maint. A fully charged battery will outlive one
that is allowed to sit at a reduced capacity every time.
Michael
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@m
atronics.com] On Behalf Of Ande Boyer
Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 12:24 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Chargers
Here's a noob question for you guys (I'm in the "prebuild/investigation" ph
ase of my RV-10 ;-)....
It sounds like you guys have a battery charger as standard equipment. Why i
s this? Does the battery that goes in the RV-10 not hold a charge? Or is t
here some kind of current leak?
I've got a Warrior atm and we have no problem going weeks w/o running it an
d it always cranks up just fine.
Just wondering.....I've only been on this list for about 3 days and have al
ready learned so much.
Thanks,
Ande Boyer
Huntsville, AL
On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 11:25 AM, Dawson-Townsend,Timothy <tdawson-townsend
@aurora.aero<mailto:tdawson-townsend@aurora.aero>> wrote:
What are folks following for a battery-charging philosophy? I am using Ody
ssey PC680s (who isn't?), and was wondering if folks are trickle charging a
ll the time when you're in the hangar, only when not expecting to fly for a
while, or only when it's winter, etc.
Please share your thoughts.
TDT
Tim Dawson-Townsend
Aurora Flight Sciences
tdt@aurora.aero<mailto:tdt@aurora.aero>
617-500-4812 (office)
617-905-4800 (mobile)
get="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List
ttp://forums.matronics.com
_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
--
"Pilots are a rare kind of human. They leave the ordinary surface of the wo
rld, to purify their soul in the sky, and they come down to earth, only aft
er receiving the communion of the infinite." - Jos=E9 Maria Velasco Ibarra
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| Subject: | Window trim - inside |
Group...
Linda and I glued the windows and wind screen in permanently last weekend using
Weldon 10. Worked much easier with cooler temps ... below 70 in the garage
early in the morning than when we did the doors a few months back. (I put one
bottle of weld10 in the fridge overnight and it seemed to be even a little
slower to set up)
These turned out pretty well. On the outside of the windows, I'll use some lite
weight cloth to fair the transition from plexi to fiberglass.
What are the options on the inside of the windows where the weldon - plexi - fiberglass
cabin frame meet? Mine's not terrible and I attempted to smooth out
the fair with weldon but it could be smoother and more consistent. Is there
any kind of caulking that will smooth the transition?
Thanks,
Doug
--------
Doug
"Fools" are always more creative than process people and will always
find ways to ruin a perfectly good set of processes.
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Flow Transducer Move |
Guess you did not read the caption above the photo regarding the aluminum
fitting. NPT fittings benefit from sealant, AN fittings do not. The inlet
to the flow transducer is NPT. As far as the 90 degree fitting out from the
transducer, well that's what I have now on the Cardinal and it works just
fine. The instrument I have in the Cardinal is Electronics International,
the OEM for the "red cube" transducer so no, I never read nor plan to read
the JPI manual.
William
http://wcurtis.nerv10.com/
On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 2:47 PM, Patrick Thyssen <jump2@sbcglobal.net>wrote:
> Question, Why the teflon tape or pipe sealent? Why aluminum fitting into
> the transducer?
> JP instruments and I suggest never ever use that stuff on the transducer.
> And it would be a lot better if you had a straight out fitting from the
> transducer. Not the ninety. Good book to read Is the JPI installation
> manual. I think it''s the second page where it says, read this first.
> But that just my opinion and we all have one.
> Patrick Thyssen
>
> But then I too made a mistake and bought OP Equiptment And now I'm fixing
> that.
> Dual 430w and garmin G500. Now I know they will work.
>
>
> --- On *Thu, 9/24/09, William Curtis <wcurtis@nerv10.com>* wrote:
>
>
> From: William Curtis <wcurtis@nerv10.com>
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Fuel Flow Transducer Move
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Date: Thursday, September 24, 2009, 11:56 AM
>
> I think the general consensus is that is works fine in the standard
> location (tunnel) if you can accept some variability in flow indications
> when the electric fuel pump is on. With that being said, mine sits BEFORE
> the flow divider on top of the air box in the picture below. It is not
> flying yet but in my Cardinal it is AFTER the mechanical fuel pump BEFORE
> the servo and very stable.
>
> http://wcurtis.nerv10.com/90Electrical/EL2g.html
>
> William
> http://wcurtis.nerv10.com/
>
>
> On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 12:05 PM, Nick Leonard <nick@nleonard.com<http://mc/compose?to=nick@nleonard.com>
> > wrote:
>
>> >
>>
>> As an informal survey for the rest of us, it would be interesting to get
>> feedback from those that have left it where Van's originally suggested. Are
>> any of you having any trouble with the transducer in that location?
>>
>> How many people have moved the unit because of inaccurate readings or
>> other problems?
>>
>> --------
>> Nick Leonard
>> RV-10 (40015) Finish
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=264706#264706
>> t Un/Subscription,
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>> Matt Dralle, List Admin.
>> ====
>>
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| Subject: | Re: Window trim - inside |
For window interior, maybe Geoff Coombs from Aerosport Products (
www.aerosportproducts.com) can be convinced to add close-out rings to his
product suite. They would, cover the Weld-On fiberglass edge, cover the
edges of any headliner, and they would match the other interior plastic
panels that he offers.
For those that have not glued in the windows yet, tongue depressors and
Dixie cups worked great. I used these and applied a thin layer to the
fiberglass then the window and then put into position--no crazing, no
leaking.
Also, you can get a Pint kit of Weld-On #10 from eplastics.com, Enough to
do ALL windows at a very good price.
http://www.eplastics.com/Plastic/Multipurpose-Glue/WELD-ON-GLUE-IPS10-PT
William Curtis
http://wcurtis.nerv10.com/
On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 3:48 PM, n277dl <dljinia@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Group...
> Linda and I glued the windows and wind screen in permanently last weekend
> using Weldon 10. Worked much easier with cooler temps ... below 70 in the
> garage early in the morning than when we did the doors a few months back.
> (I put one bottle of weld10 in the fridge overnight and it seemed to be
> even a little slower to set up)
>
> These turned out pretty well. On the outside of the windows, I'll use some
> lite weight cloth to fair the transition from plexi to fiberglass.
>
> What are the options on the inside of the windows where the weldon - plexi
> - fiberglass cabin frame meet? Mine's not terrible and I attempted to
> smooth out the fair with weldon but it could be smoother and more
> consistent. Is there any kind of caulking that will smooth the transition?
>
> Thanks,
> Doug
>
> --------
> Doug
> "Fools" are always more creative than process people and will always find
> ways to ruin a perfectly good set of processes.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=264780#264780
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Flow Transducer Move |
Well if I get real bored this winter I might read it. But the Redskins will
have to keep playing the way they've been playing, the Hokies will have to
tank, and The History Channel will have gone off the air..
Richard Bibb
972-771-2598
972-835-5979 mobile
_____
", I never read nor plan to read the JPI manual."
William
http://wcurtis.nerv10.com/
On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 2:47 PM, Patrick Thyssen <jump2@sbcglobal.net>
wrote: "Good book to read is the JPI Manual"
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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I watched the discussion on AeroElectric and read lots of things
at other places about charging my Odyssey PC925, and spent a bunch
of time reading before I bought a charger. Michael's right, that
12248 would eb a great way to go, and it's supposely got a great
voltage curve for charging the Odyssey.
What I did for myself though was a little different. I got
a larger charger, that costs a bit more. I had been looking for
Odyssey specific chargers, and wanted to make sure I did the best
I could to charge at the right voltage. There is an Odyssey
labeled charger that looks exactly like the Schumacher
Speed Charge 1200A, which WalMart also sells. The difference I
think is that the Odyssey doesn't have the variety of
charging profiles. I got one off Ebay really really cheap,
and got one at WalMart too, so now I use them at home and
at the hangar.
Here is a link:
http://store.schumachermart.com/sc-1200a.html
A few weeks ago I got fired up to verify that this was really
the same, so I sent Schumacher an email asking if they had
the same charge curve, and they said they were the same.
I'm assuming I'd use AGM mode, so that's what I've been
using. It's more expensive of a charger than you have
to have, but it can charge other batteries too.
I plug mine in sometimes if I have a big trip coming up,
and want to ensure I've got a perfect charge, and I
charge it during the winter when I don't fly as often.
In the summer though, I generally don't charge it.
I suppose I connect the charger maybe 10 times a year.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
RV Builder (Michael Sausen) wrote:
> Im using the BatteryMinder 12248 for my Odyssey batteries. There was
> a write-up in one of the mags a few months back comparing different
> chargers and this one looked to be the best. It will charge any style
> lead acid battery and also desulphates. They will say on their site
> that you should get their special charger for Odyssey batteries but it
> only has a single profile in it for Odyssey AGM batteries.
>
>
>
> I spent a bunch of time looking at the information on the special
> charger vs. the 12248 which will charge flooded, AGM, and gel batteries
> and could not find a difference in the Odyssey vs. the AGM profiles that
> made it worthwhile. I also run the Odyssey in my motorcycle and ATV but
> I wanted the options and I have been very happy with it.
>
>
>
> Michael
>
>
>
> *From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of
> *Dawson-Townsend,Timothy
> *Sent:* Thursday, September 24, 2009 11:26 AM
> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* RV10-List: Chargers
>
>
>
> What are folks following for a battery-charging philosophy? I am using
> Odyssey PC680s (who isnt?), and was wondering if folks are trickle
> charging all the time when youre in the hangar, only when not expecting
> to fly for a while, or only when its winter, etc.
>
>
>
> Please share your thoughts.
>
>
> TDT
>
>
>
> Tim Dawson-Townsend
>
> Aurora Flight Sciences
>
> tdt@aurora.aero <mailto:tdt@aurora.aero>
>
> 617-500-4812 (office)
>
> 617-905-4800 (mobile)
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Flow Transducer Move |
As others have noted with the transducer installed in the tunnel prior
to the mech fuel pump and after the elect boost pump, you WILL see
errroneous readings during the period the elect fuel pump is operated.
From my experience you will ALSO see significant fluctuations in the
fuel flows. (+/- .5 gph) during the normal course of operations this
sin't too much of an issue. However if you are trying to balance your
fuel injectors or troubleshooting a fuel system issue and want to
collect accurate datam to a .1 of a gph, you will get VERY frustrated.
Save yourself some frustration and mount it between the servo and the
distribution spider.
Deems Davis
www.deemsrv10.com
N519PJ
Nick Leonard wrote:
>
> As an informal survey for the rest of us, it would be interesting to get feedback
from those that have left it where Van's originally suggested. Are any of
you having any trouble with the transducer in that location?
>
> How many people have moved the unit because of inaccurate readings or other problems?
>
> --------
> Nick Leonard
> RV-10 (40015) Finish
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=264706#264706
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Engine Sensing wire birds nest - any good pics on wire |
management
You can find some pictures in this album :
http://deemsrv10.com/album/Sec%20FFPS%20Probes%20and%20Sensors/index.html
Deems Davis
N519PJ
Bill Mauledriver Watson wrote:
> <MauleDriver@nc.rr.com>
>
> I'm putting in the EGT and CHT lines and it looks pretty straight
> forward. I have the sensor leads in place but I'm wondering exactly
> how to route and clamp the lines from the GRT coming through the
> firewall to hook up to the sensor leads.
>
> Anyone have a picture of how they did it? I've been searching but
> can't quite find a good pic of that part. Seems straight forward but
> looking for additional ideas.
>
> Thanks Scott S. for the good photos of your engine compartment....
> very clean like the rest of your ship!
>
> Bill "taming the latest birds nest" Watson
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Flow Transducer Move |
Only 40 hours but same experience as Marcus. Only irregluarity comes
when the boost pump is engaged but the totaliser function always appears
to reflect remaining fuel to within a gallon or so.
Ron McGann
Head of Engineering
Security Solutions & Services
Aerospace
Tel: +61 2 9562 3530 | Mob: +61 (0) 466 655 393 | Fax: +61 2 9562 2100
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Marcus Cooper
Sent: Friday, 25 September 2009 2:45 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Fuel Flow Transducer Move
I have about 430 hours with the transducer in the plans location. No
real
issues although I do notice a slight FF drop when I turn the boost pump
off.
So far it has been very accurate and consistent.
Marcus
40286
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Nick Leonard
Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 12:05 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: Fuel Flow Transducer Move
As an informal survey for the rest of us, it would be interesting to get
feedback from those that have left it where Van's originally suggested.
Are
any of you having any trouble with the transducer in that location?
How many people have moved the unit because of inaccurate readings or
other
problems?
--------
Nick Leonard
RV-10 (40015) Finish
Read this topic online here:
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One should never consider even being dispatched, if there were a chance for
icing conditions. I fly for a living and I would never fly my RV-10 near
ice. period
How many lessons do we need to look back at to understand it is not worth
the risk.
Just me 2 cents, fly safe and have fun
Thane States
321BY
----- Original Message -----
From: "Strasnuts" <sean@braunandco.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 11:54 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: Ice
>
> You probably won't like my answer since my 10 is not flying, but knowing
> if a plane (not made for icing) does kind of okay is probably best not
> knowing. There have been several Cirrus aircraft that was legal for
> inadvertent icing encounter and crashed from it. Now the new Cirrus are
> certified for known icing. I fly a Citation Jet for a company and maybe I
> don't know enough but you never can tell how much ice is going to
> accumulate on the aircraft. I personally believe it is a very hard
> question to answer and to try not to get in icing. If you think the plane
> will do okay in it, it may persuade you to stay in it. Having said all of
> that I have been in icing in a plane not made for it. I got out of it as
> soon as I could.
>
> --------
> Cust. #40936
> RV-10 SB Fuselage
> N801VR reserved
>
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I have posted previously on poor cranking performance. I have had an issue with
slow cranking ever since first start. My battery failed completely two weeks
ago. I firmly believe my original (Concorde) battery was stuffed from the start
and never really held a full charge - would not buy another. Have not been
able to get a PC925 locally yet, so used a Dekka sealed gel cell as a temp
measure. Same size as the Concorde with 380CCA. Could not believe how quickly
the prop spun with a decent battery.
When finalising my avionics integration, I used a 20Amp 13.2VDC power supply in
parallel with the battery to prevent constant discharge. I need to do some more
research, but it would not surprise me if this contributed to the failure
of the battery by overcharging it.
BTW, is it possible to fit two 680s in the standard tray without modification?
Cheers
Ron
VH-XRM, flying in Oz
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jesse Saint
Sent: Friday, 25 September 2009 3:44 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Chargers
I only put a charge on when I'm working on avionics or something without the engine
running. Every once in a while, if the plane has been sitting for a while,
I'll throw a charger on it just to make sure it is up to cranking. Never had
a problem. I use the Concord standard battery that Van's makes the tray for.
do not archive
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse@saintaviation.com
Cell: 352-427-0285
Fax: 815-377-3694
On Sep 24, 2009, at 1:23 PM, Ande Boyer wrote:
> Here's a noob question for you guys (I'm in the "prebuild/
> investigation" phase of my RV-10 ;-)....
>
> It sounds like you guys have a battery charger as standard equipment.
> Why is this? Does the battery that goes in the RV-10 not hold a
> charge? Or is there some kind of current leak?
>
> I've got a Warrior atm and we have no problem going weeks w/o running
> it and it always cranks up just fine.
>
> Just wondering.....I've only been on this list for about 3 days and
> have already learned so much.
>
> Thanks,
> Ande Boyer
> Huntsville, AL
>
>
> On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 11:25 AM, Dawson-Townsend,Timothy
> <tdawson-townsend@aurora.aero
> > wrote:
> What are folks following for a battery-charging philosophy? I am
> using Odyssey PC680s (who isn't?), and was wondering if folks are
> trickle charging all the time when you're in the hangar, only when not
> expecting to fly for a while, or only when it's winter, etc.
>
>
> Please share your thoughts.
>
>
> TDT
>
>
> Tim Dawson-Townsend
>
> Aurora Flight Sciences
>
> tdt@aurora.aero
>
> 617-500-4812 (office)
>
> 617-905-4800 (mobile)
>
>
> get="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List
> ttp://forums.matronics.com
> _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>
>
> --
> "Pilots are a rare kind of human. They leave the ordinary surface of
> the world, to purify their soul in the sky, and they come down to
> earth, only after receiving the communion of the infinite." - Jos
> Maria Velasco Ibarra
>
>
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A very smart friend of mone turned me on to a charger called a "Battery Min
der".=C2- Look it up online.=C2- Cost around $50.=C2- Not only trickl
e charges, but sends out pulses that keep sulfides from forming.=C2- The
friends 210 has not replaced his battery in over 10 years... whereas before
they seemed to last 3 or 4 years.=C2- I use them on cars=C2-stored, mo
torcycles, boats, and my plane.
Don McDonald
Plane parked.... on the boat......... wishing I was flying!=C2-
--- On Thu, 9/24/09, Linn Walters <pitts_pilot@bellsouth.net> wrote:
From: Linn Walters <pitts_pilot@bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Chargers
I leave my birds on the trickle charge almost all of the time ..... excepti
on is when I'm in a hurry to lock up or just plain forget.
Linn
Dawson-Townsend,Timothy wrote:
> What are folks following for a battery-charging philosophy?=C2- I am us
ing Odyssey PC680s (who isn=99t?), and was wondering if folks are tri
ckle charging all the time when you=99re in the hangar, only when not
expecting to fly for a while, or only when it=99s winter, etc.
>
>=C2-
> Please share your thoughts.
>
>
> TDT
>
>=C2-
> Tim Dawson-Townsend
>
> Aurora Flight Sciences
>
> tdt@aurora.aero <mailto:tdt@aurora.aero>
>
> 617-500-4812 (office)
>
> 617-905-4800 (mobile)
>
>=C2-
> *
>
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No to the 680s without mod; too wide; also probably need additional master
contactor to use either or both batteries.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of McGann, Ron
Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 4:44 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Chargers
--> <Ron.McGann@thalesgroup.com.au>
I have posted previously on poor cranking performance. I have had an issue
with slow cranking ever since first start. My battery failed completely two
weeks ago. I firmly believe my original (Concorde) battery was stuffed from
the start and never really held a full charge - would not buy another. Have
not been able to get a PC925 locally yet, so used a Dekka sealed gel cell as
a temp measure. Same size as the Concorde with 380CCA. Could not believe
how quickly the prop spun with a decent battery.
When finalising my avionics integration, I used a 20Amp 13.2VDC power supply
in parallel with the battery to prevent constant discharge. I need to do
some more research, but it would not surprise me if this contributed to the
failure of the battery by overcharging it.
BTW, is it possible to fit two 680s in the standard tray without
modification?
Cheers
Ron
VH-XRM, flying in Oz
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jesse Saint
Sent: Friday, 25 September 2009 3:44 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Chargers
I only put a charge on when I'm working on avionics or something without the
engine running. Every once in a while, if the plane has been sitting for a
while, I'll throw a charger on it just to make sure it is up to cranking.
Never had a problem. I use the Concord standard battery that Van's makes
the tray for.
do not archive
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse@saintaviation.com
Cell: 352-427-0285
Fax: 815-377-3694
On Sep 24, 2009, at 1:23 PM, Ande Boyer wrote:
> Here's a noob question for you guys (I'm in the "prebuild/
> investigation" phase of my RV-10 ;-)....
>
> It sounds like you guys have a battery charger as standard equipment.
> Why is this? Does the battery that goes in the RV-10 not hold a
> charge? Or is there some kind of current leak?
>
> I've got a Warrior atm and we have no problem going weeks w/o running
> it and it always cranks up just fine.
>
> Just wondering.....I've only been on this list for about 3 days and
> have already learned so much.
>
> Thanks,
> Ande Boyer
> Huntsville, AL
>
>
> On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 11:25 AM, Dawson-Townsend,Timothy
> <tdawson-townsend@aurora.aero
> > wrote:
> What are folks following for a battery-charging philosophy? I am
> using Odyssey PC680s (who isn't?), and was wondering if folks are
> trickle charging all the time when you're in the hangar, only when not
> expecting to fly for a while, or only when it's winter, etc.
>
>
> Please share your thoughts.
>
>
> TDT
>
>
> Tim Dawson-Townsend
>
> Aurora Flight Sciences
>
> tdt@aurora.aero
>
> 617-500-4812 (office)
>
> 617-905-4800 (mobile)
>
>
> get="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List
> ttp://forums.matronics.com
> _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>
>
> --
> "Pilots are a rare kind of human. They leave the ordinary surface of
> the world, to purify their soul in the sky, and they come down to
> earth, only after receiving the communion of the infinite." - Jos
> Maria Velasco Ibarra
>
>
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Avoid using the Battery Tender on sealed aircraft batteries. It chewed
up two Concorde=99s in less than a year before I wised up
(afterwards I also switched to the PC925). I would recommend going with
a charger that was specifically designed for that type of battery:
http://www.batteryminders.com/specials.php
Brian
RV-10 N104BS
Nashville, TN
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Don McDonald
Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 6:54 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Chargers
A very smart friend of mone turned me on to a charger called a "Battery
Minder". Look it up online. Cost around $50. Not only trickle
charges, but sends out pulses that keep sulfides from forming. The
friends 210 has not replaced his battery in over 10 years... whereas
before they seemed to last 3 or 4 years. I use them on cars stored,
motorcycles, boats, and my plane.
Don McDonald
Plane parked.... on the boat......... wishing I was flying!
--- On Thu, 9/24/09, Linn Walters <pitts_pilot@bellsouth.net> wrote:
From: Linn Walters <pitts_pilot@bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Chargers
<http://us.mc537.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=pitts_pilot@bellsouth.net
> >
I leave my birds on the trickle charge almost all of the time .....
exception is when I'm in a hurry to lock up or just plain forget.
Linn
Dawson-Townsend,Timothy wrote:
> What are folks following for a battery-charging philosophy? I am
using Odyssey PC680s (who isn=99t?), and was wondering if folks
are trickle charging all the time when you=99re in the hangar,
only when not expecting to fly for a while, or only when it=99s
winter, etc.
>
>
> Please share your thoughts.
>
>
> TDT
>
>
> Tim Dawson-Townsend
>
> Aurora Flight Sciences
>
> tdt@aurora.aero
<http://us.mc537.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=tdt@aurora.aero>
<mailto:tdt@aurora.aero
<http://us.mc537.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=tdt@aurora.aero> >
>
> 617-500-4812 (office)
>
> 617-905-4800 (mobile)
>
>
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Been using Battery Tenders on my Odyssey 680s for several years now
with no problems.
It was recommended in Aviation Consumer as well as Light Plane
Maintenance.
grumpy
N184JM
do not archive
On Sep 24, 2009, at 8:03 PM, Brian wrote:
> Avoid using the Battery Tender on sealed aircraft batteries. It
> chewed up two Concorde=92s in less than a year before I wised up
> (afterwards I also switched to the PC925). I would recommend going
> with a charger that was specifically designed for that type of
> battery:
>
> http://www.batteryminders.com/specials.php
>
> Brian
> RV-10 N104BS
> Nashville, TN
>
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-serve
r@matronics.com
> ] On Behalf Of Don McDonald
> Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 6:54 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Chargers
>
> A very smart friend of mone turned me on to a charger called a
> "Battery Minder". Look it up online. Cost around $50. Not only
> trickle charges, but sends out pulses that keep sulfides from
> forming. The friends 210 has not replaced his battery in over 10
> years... whereas before they seemed to last 3 or 4 years. I use
> them on cars stored, motorcycles, boats, and my plane.
> Don McDonald
> Plane parked.... on the boat......... wishing I was flying!
>
> --- On Thu, 9/24/09, Linn Walters <pitts_pilot@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
> From: Linn Walters <pitts_pilot@bellsouth.net>
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Chargers
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Date: Thursday, September 24, 2009, 10:03 AM
>
> >
>
> I leave my birds on the trickle charge almost all of the time .....
> exception is when I'm in a hurry to lock up or just plain forget.
> Linn
>
> Dawson-Townsend,Timothy wrote:
> > What are folks following for a battery-charging philosophy? I am
> using Odyssey PC680s (who isn=92t?), and was wondering if folks are
> trickle charging all the time when you=92re in the hangar, only when
> not expecting to fly for a while, or only when it=92s winter, etc.
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Which causes me to ask why is everybody putting really expensive
batteries in their planes???
Linn
Miller John wrote:
> Been using Battery Tenders on my Odyssey 680s for several years now with
> no problems.
>
> It was recommended in Aviation Consumer as well as Light Plane Maintenance.
>
> grumpy
> N184JM
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> do not archive
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This is going to be the way I secure my charger to my battery. Only the best for
my RV-10.
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Flow Transducer Move |
-I'LL STAND BY MY STATEMENT WITH THE ADDED INSERT, EI MAKE INSTALLATION M
ANUALS ALSO. THEY REFERENCE AC43-13 ALSO. YOUR LOSS FOR NOT READING EVERYTH
ING YOU CAN. YOU WOULD LEARN A LOT MORE.
-PATRICK THYSSEN
--- On Thu, 9/24/09, William Curtis <wcurtis@nerv10.com> wrote:
From: William Curtis <wcurtis@nerv10.com>
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Fuel Flow Transducer Move
Guess you did not read the caption above the photo regarding the aluminum f
itting.- NPT fittings benefit from sealant, AN fittings do not.- The in
let to the flow transducer is NPT.- As far as the 90 degree fitting out f
rom the transducer, well that's what I have now on=0A the Cardinal and it w
orks just fine.- The instrument I have in the Cardinal is Electronics Int
ernational, the OEM for the "red cube" transducer so no, I never read nor p
lan to read the JPI manual.=0A=0A-=0AWilliam=0Ahttp://wcurtis.nerv10.com/
=0AOn Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 2:47 PM, Patrick Thyssen <jump2@sbcglobal.net> w
rote:
=0A=0A=0A=0A=0AQuestion, Why the teflon tape or pipe sealent? Why aluminum
fitting into the transducer?
JP instruments and I suggest never ever use that stuff on the transducer. A
nd it would be a lot better if you had a straight out fitting from the tran
sducer. Not the ninety. Good book to read Is the JPI installation manual. I
think it''s the second page where it says, read this first.
=0ABut that just my opinion and we all have one.
-Patrick Thyssen
But then I too made a mistake and bought OP Equiptment And now I'm fixing t
hat.
Dual 430w and garmin G500. Now I know they will work.--
=0A
--- On Thu, 9/24/09, William Curtis <wcurtis@nerv10.com> wrote:
=0A
From: William Curtis <wcurtis@nerv10.com>
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Fuel Flow Transducer Move
=0ATo: rv10-list@matronics.com
=0A=0A=0AI think the general consensus is that is works fine in the standar
d location (tunnel) if you can-accept some variability in flow indication
s when the electric fuel pump is on.- With that being said, mine sits BEF
ORE the flow divider on top of the air box in the picture below.- It is n
ot flying yet but in my Cardinal it is AFTER the mechanical fuel pump BEFOR
E the servo and-very stable.=0A=0A-=0Ahttp://wcurtis.nerv10.com/90Elect
rical/EL2g.html=0A-=0AWilliam=0Ahttp://wcurtis.nerv10.com/=0A
-=0AOn Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 12:05 PM, Nick Leonard <nick@nleonard.com> wr
ote:
=0A
As an informal survey for the rest of us, it would be interesting to get fe
edback from those that have left it where Van's originally suggested. -Ar
e any of you having any trouble with the transducer in that location?
=0A
How many people have moved the unit because of inaccurate readings or other
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Flow Transducer Move |
Good discussion on fuel flow transducer mounting. Mine is between the
engine boost pump and servo, working good @ 180 hours with very stable
readings.
IMHO they are better left free floating in the line where ever mounted in
the engine compartment rather than hard mounted to the engine. I think hard
mounting would transmit engine vibration directly into the sensor and might
shorten it's life. Hard mounting also adds some additional heat input. The
Flowscan instructions suggest floating in the line and wrapping with fire
sleeve.
Dick Sipp
RV10 N110DV 180 hours
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As an A&P I have examined/studied the TKS, boots and bleed air solutions to
the icing problem. The question is how much ice is too much. In the Midwest
in the winter, a pilot might as well put the aircraft in storage if they
only fly cross country in CAVU VFR in the mid western winter. As a CFII I am
not suggesting that anyone challenge a strong winter storm; I do know that
after the winter storm front passes that there is usually considerable
overcast conditions behind the front where the overcast may be relatively
low and may only be 1-2 thousand feet thick, Perhaps 1-2 minutes climb in
the RV10. If the temperatures are below freezing then the overcast will
probably contain rime ice which may or may not adhere to the aircraft. Once
on top the ice will begin to sublimate away even though the temperatures are
below freezing. A trip in the blue skies in smooth air is preferred over
bumping along under the overcast (probable limited visibility) with
potential of encountering some tall TV antennas. In OK there are two (1400
AGL and 1900 AGL) near Tulsa and three (all 1500 AGL) near the ILS into OK
city. So poking around VFR underneath can also be hazardous.
Lest we think that the heavy iron icing systems will save us; I can relate a
personal experience of a pilot mechanic from Mesa AZ about three years ago.
He was a pilot and mechanic flying a Aero commander twin turboprop with full
de icing boots into Cortez Colorado. The aircraft was certified for known
ice and he flew into icing in SW Colorado. The icing was severe and on his
approach into Cortez his circle to land maneuver produced a stall spin and a
crash near the airport. The SAR people found large amount of ice on the
airframe. On that same day, same time a corporate jet at the flight levels
encountered severe icing in the same area and made it to safety using its
anti ice/deice systems. It did experience over $1M of aircraft damage due to
ice striking the aircraft as the ice was leaving the aircraft
In the 1970s I was scheduled to leave JEFF CO airport north of Denver in the
winter. There was a major winter storm moving through. KS and MO had sleet
and freezing rain. My father was complaining about needing to get back to
work on Monday. He wanted to rent a car and drive to Peoria IL. I told him
we were not flying since I did not want to die today. The next day we left
and traveled East at about 11000 enroute. By MKC I could see the remnants of
an overcast below me at about 3000 MSL. Upon our arrival in the Peoria area
I informed my parents that we would probably pick up a little ice since we
had to descend through a thin overcast into 3MY. Upon landing I parked and
my parents deplaned. Mom said we did not get any ice. I took her over to the
wing and had her place her hand on it as the heat of her hand melted the
thin ice layer and water dripped on the ground.
My point: Systems will not save you; judgment will. If you are not going to
store the aircraft from October to April, then you will need to develop some
judgment about what is flyable and what is not. An IFR rating and the
ability to use it will be very helpful; ATC will give you any assistance you
request short of flying the aircraft for you if you are on an IFR clearance.
You may not get their attention if VFR unless you precede your call with a
MAYDAY. Study the 1228H accident last week. Look at the NTSB report; look
at the pilot data on the FAA files. Sometimes judgment develops from
anothers accident.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Thane States
Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 4:29 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Ice
One should never consider even being dispatched, if there were a chance for
icing conditions. I fly for a living and I would never fly my RV-10 near
ice. period How many lessons do we need to look back at to understand it is
not worth the risk.
Just me 2 cents, fly safe and have fun
Thane States
321BY
----- Original Message -----
From: "Strasnuts" <sean@braunandco.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 11:54 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: Ice
>
> You probably won't like my answer since my 10 is not flying, but
> knowing if a plane (not made for icing) does kind of okay is probably
> best not knowing. There have been several Cirrus aircraft that was
> legal for inadvertent icing encounter and crashed from it. Now the
> new Cirrus are certified for known icing. I fly a Citation Jet for a
> company and maybe I don't know enough but you never can tell how much
> ice is going to accumulate on the aircraft. I personally believe it
> is a very hard question to answer and to try not to get in icing. If
> you think the plane will do okay in it, it may persuade you to stay in
> it. Having said all of that I have been in icing in a plane not made
> for it. I got out of it as soon as I could.
>
> --------
> Cust. #40936
> RV-10 SB Fuselage
> N801VR reserved
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=264537#264537
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Flow Transducer Move |
One thing I have just thought about and correct me if I'm wrong. From the f
uel pump to the fuel pressure sending unit is up hill or above the fuel pum
p. This being said if you get air in your hoses going to your pressure tran
sducer from- being hot [vapor] then you could have a problem as to what i
t is reporting.
By having a compression of air instead of solid liquid.
-Lets hear from the engineers.
Patrick Thyssen
Engine pickled again!!! for new instrument panel
-Oh how I love OP
--- On Thu, 9/24/09, McGann, Ron <Ron.McGann@thalesgroup.com.au> wrote:
From: McGann, Ron <Ron.McGann@thalesgroup.com.au>
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Fuel Flow Transducer Move
au>
Only 40 hours but same experience as Marcus.- Only irregluarity comes
when the boost pump is engaged but the totaliser function always appears
to reflect remaining fuel to within a gallon or so.
Ron McGann
Head of Engineering
Security Solutions & Services
Aerospace
Tel: +61 2 9562 3530 | Mob: +61 (0) 466 655 393 | Fax: +61 2 9562 2100
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Marcus Cooper
Sent: Friday, 25 September 2009 2:45 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Fuel Flow Transducer Move
I have about 430 hours with the transducer in the plans location.- No
real
issues although I do notice a slight FF drop when I turn the boost pump
off.
So far it has been very accurate and consistent.
Marcus
40286
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Nick Leonard
Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 12:05 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: Fuel Flow Transducer Move
As an informal survey for the rest of us, it would be interesting to get
feedback from those that have left it where Van's originally suggested.
Are
any of you having any trouble with the transducer in that location?
How many people have moved the unit=0A because of inaccurate readings or
other
problems?
--------
Nick Leonard
RV-10 (40015) Finish
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I've poked through fairly small clouds in the Citation over the Wasatch
Mountains over Utah and picked up enough ice to create snail trails past the
heated leading edge and cover the windshield despite the bleed air. The
windshield gets covered a lot of the time but the leading edges usually take
care of the ice on the wings. It took a short time to accumulate past the
leading edge in this circumstance and I sure as hell wouldn't want to be in
a plane without anti-ice or boots. This was during one hold on a gps
approach that was about three total minutes in the cloud. After I did my
missed, Salt Lake wanted me to go back to the hold and I told them unable
due to severe icing.
----- Original Message ----- From: "David McNeill" <dlm46007@cox.net>
Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 8:57 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Ice
>
> As an A&P I have examined/studied the TKS, boots and bleed air solutions
> to
> the icing problem. The question is how much ice is too much. In the
> Midwest
> in the winter, a pilot might as well put the aircraft in storage if they
> only fly cross country in CAVU VFR in the mid western winter. As a CFII I
> am
> not suggesting that anyone challenge a strong winter storm; I do know that
> after the winter storm front passes that there is usually considerable
> overcast conditions behind the front where the overcast may be relatively
> low and may only be 1-2 thousand feet thick, Perhaps 1-2 minutes climb in
> the RV10. If the temperatures are below freezing then the overcast will
> probably contain rime ice which may or may not adhere to the aircraft.
> Once
> on top the ice will begin to sublimate away even though the temperatures
> are
> below freezing. A trip in the blue skies in smooth air is preferred over
> bumping along under the overcast (probable limited visibility) with
> potential of encountering some tall TV antennas. In OK there are two (1400
> AGL and 1900 AGL) near Tulsa and three (all 1500 AGL) near the ILS into OK
> city. So poking around VFR underneath can also be hazardous.
>
> Lest we think that the heavy iron icing systems will save us; I can relate
> a
> personal experience of a pilot mechanic from Mesa AZ about three years
> ago.
> He was a pilot and mechanic flying a Aero commander twin turboprop with
> full
> de icing boots into Cortez Colorado. The aircraft was certified for known
> ice and he flew into icing in SW Colorado. The icing was severe and on his
> approach into Cortez his circle to land maneuver produced a stall spin and
> a
> crash near the airport. The SAR people found large amount of ice on the
> airframe. On that same day, same time a corporate jet at the flight levels
> encountered severe icing in the same area and made it to safety using its
> anti ice/deice systems. It did experience over $1M of aircraft damage due
> to
> ice striking the aircraft as the ice was leaving the aircraft
>
> In the 1970s I was scheduled to leave JEFF CO airport north of Denver in
> the
> winter. There was a major winter storm moving through. KS and MO had sleet
> and freezing rain. My father was complaining about needing to get back to
> work on Monday. He wanted to rent a car and drive to Peoria IL. I told him
> we were not flying since I did not want to die today. The next day we left
> and traveled East at about 11000 enroute. By MKC I could see the remnants
> of
> an overcast below me at about 3000 MSL. Upon our arrival in the Peoria
> area
> I informed my parents that we would probably pick up a little ice since we
> had to descend through a thin overcast into 3MY. Upon landing I parked and
> my parents deplaned. Mom said we did not get any ice. I took her over to
> the
> wing and had her place her hand on it as the heat of her hand melted the
> thin ice layer and water dripped on the ground.
>
> My point: Systems will not save you; judgment will. If you are not going
> to
> store the aircraft from October to April, then you will need to develop
> some
> judgment about what is flyable and what is not. An IFR rating and the
> ability to use it will be very helpful; ATC will give you any assistance
> you
> request short of flying the aircraft for you if you are on an IFR
> clearance.
> You may not get their attention if VFR unless you precede your call with a
> MAYDAY. Study the 1228H accident last week. Look at the NTSB report; look
> at the pilot data on the FAA files. Sometimes judgment develops from
> anothers accident.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Thane States
> Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 4:29 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Ice
>
>
> One should never consider even being dispatched, if there were a chance
> for
> icing conditions. I fly for a living and I would never fly my RV-10 near
> ice. period How many lessons do we need to look back at to understand it
> is
> not worth the risk.
> Just me 2 cents, fly safe and have fun
> Thane States
> 321BY
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Strasnuts" <sean@braunandco.com>
> To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 11:54 AM
> Subject: RV10-List: Re: Ice
>
>
>>
>> You probably won't like my answer since my 10 is not flying, but
>> knowing if a plane (not made for icing) does kind of okay is probably
>> best not knowing. There have been several Cirrus aircraft that was
>> legal for inadvertent icing encounter and crashed from it. Now the
>> new Cirrus are certified for known icing. I fly a Citation Jet for a
>> company and maybe I don't know enough but you never can tell how much
>> ice is going to accumulate on the aircraft. I personally believe it
>> is a very hard question to answer and to try not to get in icing. If
>> you think the plane will do okay in it, it may persuade you to stay in
>> it. Having said all of that I have been in icing in a plane not made
>> for it. I got out of it as soon as I could.
>>
>> --------
>> Cust. #40936
>> RV-10 SB Fuselage
>> N801VR reserved
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=264537#264537
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Engine Sensing wire birds nest - any good pics on wire |
management
Thanks much Deems!
Bill "wishing he had put the 90 degree oil filter adaptor in" Watson
do not archive
Deems Davis wrote:
>
> You can find some pictures in this album :
>
> http://deemsrv10.com/album/Sec%20FFPS%20Probes%20and%20Sensors/index.html
>
> Deems Davis
> N519PJ
>
> Bill Mauledriver Watson wrote:
>> <MauleDriver@nc.rr.com>
>>
>> I'm putting in the EGT and CHT lines and it looks pretty straight
>> forward. I have the sensor leads in place but I'm wondering exactly
>> how to route and clamp the lines from the GRT coming through the
>> firewall to hook up to the sensor leads.
>>
>> Anyone have a picture of how they did it? I've been searching but
>> can't quite find a good pic of that part. Seems straight forward but
>> looking for additional ideas.
>>
>> Thanks Scott S. for the good photos of your engine compartment....
>> very clean like the rest of your ship!
>>
>> Bill "taming the latest birds nest" Watson
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Flow Transducer Move |
Pressure is pressure, it's just the compressibility that is
different. If the vapor were at 50psi, it would push
down on the fuel at 50psi, and up on the fuel pressure
sender at 50psi, and the fuel would transfer that pressure
to the engine at 50psi. Doesn't matter if it's vapor, or
what is in the line...it's just a diaphragm that is
displaying pressure. Think of a manometer..it's using
air and liquid to show air pressure, but inside the
manometer is both air and liquid. It's all the same when
it's pushing out against something else. If you have a
pot of steaming water and you plug it, the steam will
build up pressure, and if you puncture the bottom of
the pot, the water will come out at whatever pressure
the steam is at.
So no, it shouldn't have an effect on the pressure reading.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
Patrick Thyssen wrote:
> One thing I have just thought about and correct me if I'm wrong. From
> the fuel pump to the fuel pressure sending unit is up hill or above the
> fuel pump. This being said if you get air in your hoses going to your
> pressure transducer from being hot [vapor] then you could have a
> problem as to what it is reporting.
> By having a compression of air instead of solid liquid.
> Lets hear from the engineers.
>
> Patrick Thyssen
> Engine pickled again!!! for new instrument panel
> Oh how I love OP
>
> --- On *Thu, 9/24/09, McGann, Ron /<Ron.McGann@thalesgroup.com.au>/* wrote:
>
>
> From: McGann, Ron <Ron.McGann@thalesgroup.com.au>
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Fuel Flow Transducer Move
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Date: Thursday, September 24, 2009, 5:28 PM
>
> <Ron.McGann@thalesgroup.com.au>
>
> Only 40 hours but same experience as Marcus. Only irregluarity comes
> when the boost pump is engaged but the totaliser function always appears
> to reflect remaining fuel to within a gallon or so.
>
> Ron McGann
>
> Head of Engineering
> Security Solutions & Services
> Aerospace
>
> Tel: +61 2 9562 3530 | Mob: +61 (0) 466 655 393 | Fax: +61 2 9562 2100
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Marcus Cooper
> Sent: Friday, 25 September 2009 2:45 AM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Fuel Flow Transducer Move
>
>
> I have about 430 hours with the transducer in the plans location. No
> real
> issues although I do notice a slight FF drop when I turn the boost pump
> off.
> So far it has been very accurate and consistent.
>
> Marcus
> 40286
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Nick Leonard
> Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 12:05 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV10-List: Re: Fuel Flow Transducer Move
>
>
> As an informal survey for the rest of us, it would be interesting to get
> feedback from those that have left it where Van's originally suggested.
> Are
> any of you having any trouble with the transducer in that location?
>
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Kinda reminded me of Aerosonic simulator last December when we went to talk
to them.
-Patrick Thyssen
--- On Thu, 9/24/09, Strasnuts <sean@braunandco.com> wrote:
From: Strasnuts <sean@braunandco.com>
Subject: RV10-List: Re: Chargers
This is going to be the way I secure my charger to my battery.- Only the
best for my RV-10.
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