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1. 12:24 AM - Re: Re: Fuel Flow Transducer Move (Patrick Thyssen)
2. 12:36 AM - Re: Re: Fuel Flow Transducer Move (Patrick Thyssen)
3. 05:13 AM - Re: Re: Fuel Flow Transducer Move (Don McDonald)
4. 06:27 AM - Re: Re: Fuel Flow Transducer Move (William Curtis)
5. 07:12 AM - Re: Window trim - inside (Marcus Cooper)
6. 07:13 AM - Re: Chargers ...... and batteries (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
7. 07:13 AM - Re: Chargers (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
8. 08:08 AM - Re: Chargers (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
9. 08:10 AM - Re: Re: Fuel Flow Transducer Move (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
10. 08:12 AM - Re: Chargers (David McNeill)
11. 08:30 AM - Door hinges (Chris Hukill)
12. 08:59 AM - Re: Chargers (David McNeill)
13. 09:11 AM - Re: Door hinges (Pascal)
14. 09:34 AM - Re: Re: Fuel Flow Transducer Move (Tim Olson)
15. 09:34 AM - Re: Chargers (Linn Walters)
16. 09:34 AM - Re: Chargers (Tim Olson)
17. 09:41 AM - Re: Door hinges (Les Kearney)
18. 10:08 AM - Re: Door hinges (Les Kearney)
19. 10:18 AM - Re: Door hinges (Jeff Carpenter)
20. 10:34 AM - Re: Chargers (David McNeill)
21. 10:39 AM - Re: Door hinges (Bob Turner)
22. 10:40 AM - Chargers (David McNeill)
23. 11:39 AM - 12248 (David McNeill)
24. 11:39 AM - Re: Chargers (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
25. 11:40 AM - Flap positioning system (Kelly McMullen)
26. 11:42 AM - Re: Flap positioning system (Condrey, Bob (US SSA))
27. 12:04 PM - Re: Flap positioning system (Rick Sked)
28. 12:05 PM - Re: Flap positioning system (Tim Olson)
29. 12:12 PM - Re: Chargers (David McNeill)
30. 12:20 PM - Re: Flap positioning system (John Cumins)
31. 12:39 PM - Re: Flap positioning system (Kelly McMullen)
32. 12:51 PM - Re: Flap positioning system (Rene Felker)
33. 01:11 PM - Re: Flap positioning system (Tim Olson)
34. 01:11 PM - Re: Chargers (Robin Marks)
35. 01:21 PM - chargers (David McNeill)
36. 01:22 PM - Re: Chargers (Brian)
37. 01:41 PM - Re: Flap positioning system (Condrey, Bob (US SSA))
38. 03:41 PM - G-900 fees, dues, subscriptions ()
39. 06:25 PM - Re: G-900 fees, dues, subscriptions (Robin Marks)
40. 07:54 PM - Re: G-900 fees, dues, subscriptions (Dave Leikam)
41. 08:13 PM - Re: G-900 fees, dues, subscriptions (Tim Olson)
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Flow Transducer Move |
That big old red hose goes to, you guessed it, the fuel pump on another eng
ine I changed on a super Decath this year. There must be a reason for these
things.
-So I might think about putting a good cooling hose to help out on coolin
g fuel.
Patrick Thyssen
--- On Thu, 9/24/09, Patrick Thyssen <jump2@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
From: Patrick Thyssen <jump2@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Fuel Flow Transducer Move
One thing I have just thought about and correct me if I'm wrong. From the f
uel pump to the fuel pressure sending unit is up hill or above the fuel pum
p. This being said if you get air in your hoses going to your pressure tran
sducer from- being hot [vapor] then you could have a problem as to what i
t is reporting.
By having a compression of air instead of solid liquid.
-Lets hear from the engineers.
Patrick Thyssen
Engine pickled again!!! for new instrument panel
-Oh how I love OP
--- On Thu, 9/24/09, McGann, Ron <Ron.McGann@thalesgroup.com.au> wrote:
From: McGann, Ron <Ron.McGann@thalesgroup.com.au>
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Fuel Flow Transducer=0A Move
au>
Only 40 hours but same experience as Marcus.- Only irregluarity comes
when the boost pump is engaged but the totaliser function always appears
to reflect remaining fuel to within a gallon or so.
Ron McGann
Head of Engineering
Security Solutions & Services
Aerospace
Tel: +61 2 9562 3530 | Mob: +61 (0) 466 655 393 | Fax: +61 2 9562 2100
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Marcus Cooper
Sent: Friday, 25 September 2009 2:45 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Fuel Flow Transducer Move
I have about 430 hours with the transducer in the plans location.- No
real
issues although I do notice a slight FF drop when I turn the boost pump
off.
So far it has been very accurate and consistent.
Marcus
40286
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Nick Leonard
Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 12:05 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: Fuel Flow Transducer Move
As an informal survey for the rest of us, it would be interesting to get
feedback from those that have left it where Van's originally suggested.
Are
any of you having any trouble with the transducer in=0A that location?
How many people have moved the unit=0A because of inaccurate readings or
other
problems?
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Flow Transducer Move |
Here is another picture of a fuel pump on M7-235 Maule I changed earlier th
is year. big red hose for airconditioning of fuel pump.
Patrick Thyssen
--- On Thu, 9/24/09, Patrick Thyssen <jump2@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
From: Patrick Thyssen <jump2@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Fuel Flow Transducer Move
One thing I have just thought about and correct me if I'm wrong. From the f
uel pump to the fuel pressure sending unit is up hill or above the fuel pum
p. This being said if you get air in your hoses going to your pressure tran
sducer from- being hot [vapor] then you could have a problem as to what i
t is reporting.
By having a compression of air instead of solid liquid.
-Lets hear from the engineers.
Patrick Thyssen
Engine pickled again!!! for new instrument panel
-Oh how I love OP
--- On Thu, 9/24/09, McGann, Ron <Ron.McGann@thalesgroup.com.au> wrote:
From: McGann, Ron <Ron.McGann@thalesgroup.com.au>
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Fuel Flow Transducer=0A Move
au>
Only 40 hours but same experience as Marcus.- Only irregluarity comes
when the boost pump is engaged but the totaliser function always appears
to reflect remaining fuel to within a gallon or so.
Ron McGann
Head of Engineering
Security Solutions & Services
Aerospace
Tel: +61 2 9562 3530 | Mob: +61 (0) 466 655 393 | Fax: +61 2 9562 2100
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Marcus Cooper
Sent: Friday, 25 September 2009 2:45 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Fuel Flow Transducer Move
I have about 430 hours with the transducer in the plans location.- No
real
issues although I do notice a slight FF drop when I turn the boost pump
off.
So far it has been very accurate and consistent.
Marcus
40286
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Nick Leonard
Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 12:05 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: Fuel Flow Transducer Move
As an informal survey for the rest of us, it would be interesting to get
feedback from those that have left it where Van's originally suggested.
Are
any of you having any trouble with the transducer in=0A that location?
How many people have moved the unit=0A because of inaccurate readings or
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Flow Transducer Move |
Ditto.
Don McDonald
--- On Thu, 9/24/09, Rene Felker <rene@felker.com> wrote:
From: Rene Felker <rene@felker.com>
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Fuel Flow Transducer Move
I left mine in the standard position.- I see very minor fluctuations....I
do
not think it is a problem.
Rene' Felker
RV-10 N423CF Flying
801-721-6080
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Nick Leonard
Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 10:05 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: Fuel Flow Transducer Move
As an informal survey for the rest of us, it would be interesting to get
feedback from those that have left it where Van's originally suggested.-
Are
any of you having any trouble with the transducer in that location?
How many people have moved the unit because of inaccurate readings or other
problems?
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Flow Transducer Move |
Patrick,
Which statement(s) do you stand by?
-Reading a 12 year old publication from JPI which documents the installation
of a Flowscan transducer, NOT an EI red cube transducer?
-Not using sealant on NPT fittings? ---really? why do you and JPI suggest
not using sealant on NPT fittings?
-Use of aluminum fittings on the transducer? You do realize that the EI red
cube transducer is made of aluminum, right?
Because I said I did not read the JPI manual, does not mean I did not read
the EI or AFS installation manuals which are MUCH more updated. Why don't
YOU take a look at the EI installation manual. You will find no such
admonishment on using aluminum or 90 degree fittings. In fact, on page 5
you will see 45 degree and 90 degree fittings as approved for installation
with the red cube. Here is a link to the EI fuel flow installation
instructions.
http://buy-ei.com/Information/II%20-%20FP-5.pdf
William
http://wcurtis.nerv10.com
On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 10:40 PM, Patrick Thyssen <jump2@sbcglobal.net>wrote:
> I'LL STAND BY MY STATEMENT WITH THE ADDED INSERT, EI MAKE INSTALLATION
> MANUALS ALSO. THEY REFERENCE AC43-13 ALSO. YOUR LOSS FOR NOT READING
> EVERYTHING YOU CAN. YOU WOULD LEARN A LOT MORE.
> PATRICK THYSSEN
>
>
> --- On *Thu, 9/24/09, William Curtis <wcurtis@nerv10.com>* wrote:
>
>
> From: William Curtis <wcurtis@nerv10.com>
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Fuel Flow Transducer Move
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Date: Thursday, September 24, 2009, 3:10 PM
>
> Guess you did not read the caption above the photo regarding the aluminum
> fitting. NPT fittings benefit from sealant, AN fittings do not. The inlet
> to the flow transducer is NPT. As far as the 90 degree fitting out from the
> transducer, well that's what I have now on the Cardinal and it works just
> fine. The instrument I have in the Cardinal is Electronics International,
> the OEM for the "red cube" transducer so no, I never read nor plan to read
> the JPI manual.
>
> William
> http://wcurtis.nerv10.com/
>
> On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 2:47 PM, Patrick Thyssen <jump2@sbcglobal.net>wrote:
>
>> Question, Why the teflon tape or pipe sealent? Why aluminum fitting
>> into the transducer?
>> JP instruments and I suggest never ever use that stuff on the transducer.
>> And it would be a lot better if you had a straight out fitting from the
>> transducer. Not the ninety. Good book to read Is the JPI installation
>> manual. I think it''s the second page where it says, read this first.
>> But that just my opinion and we all have one.
>> Patrick Thyssen
>>
>> But then I too made a mistake and bought OP Equiptment And now I'm fixing
>> that.
>> Dual 430w and garmin G500. Now I know they will work.
>>
>>
>> --- On *Thu, 9/24/09, William Curtis <wcurtis@nerv10.com>* wrote:
>>
>>
>> From: William Curtis <wcurtis@nerv10.com>
>> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Fuel Flow Transducer Move
>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>> Date: Thursday, September 24, 2009, 11:56 AM
>>
>> I think the general consensus is that is works fine in the standard
>> location (tunnel) if you can accept some variability in flow indications
>> when the electric fuel pump is on. With that being said, mine sits BEFORE
>> the flow divider on top of the air box in the picture below. It is not
>> flying yet but in my Cardinal it is AFTER the mechanical fuel pump BEFORE
>> the servo and very stable.
>>
>> http://wcurtis.nerv10.com/90Electrical/EL2g.html
>>
>> William
>> http://wcurtis.nerv10.com/
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 12:05 PM, Nick Leonard <nick@nleonard.com<http://mc/compose?to=nick@nleonard.com>
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> >
>>>
>>> As an informal survey for the rest of us, it would be interesting to get
>>> feedback from those that have left it where Van's originally suggested. Are
>>> any of you having any trouble with the transducer in that location?
>>>
>>> How many people have moved the unit because of inaccurate readings or
>>> other problems?
>>>
>>> --------
>>> Nick Leonard
>>> RV-10 (40015) Finish
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| Subject: | Window trim - inside |
Doug,
One option is to wait until you install the interior and then go with
something like Flightline interiors (http://www.flightlineinteriors.com/)
has which is cloth sewn around some foam to form a bead that goes around the
window. Looks very nice, however make sure you use plenty of glue and force
a little extra material around the window if possible as mine shrunk
slightly and pulled away from the glue.
Marcus
40286
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of n277dl
Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 3:48 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Window trim - inside
Group...
Linda and I glued the windows and wind screen in permanently last weekend
using Weldon 10. Worked much easier with cooler temps ... below 70 in the
garage early in the morning than when we did the doors a few months back.
(I put one bottle of weld10 in the fridge overnight and it seemed to be even
a little slower to set up)
These turned out pretty well. On the outside of the windows, I'll use some
lite weight cloth to fair the transition from plexi to fiberglass.
What are the options on the inside of the windows where the weldon - plexi -
fiberglass cabin frame meet? Mine's not terrible and I attempted to
smooth out the fair with weldon but it could be smoother and more
consistent. Is there any kind of caulking that will smooth the transition?
Thanks,
Doug
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"Fools" are always more creative than process people and will
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| Subject: | Chargers ...... and batteries |
A really expensive battery to me would be the A123 batteries that Bill Dube had
thought about bringing to our market. The nice thing about a pair of 680's
is that you can easily put them on a maintenance cycle where you replace one
of them every one or two years during annual and you will probably never have
a down aircraft due to a battery problem (leaving the master switch on doesn't
count).
AGM's are essentially a deep cycle battery that can put out a lot of amps and
also sit for months without losing any charge (again, that always on clock doesn't
count). In my case the always on BATT bus is only drawing from one of the
two batteries so even if the always on stuff like clock or trickle charge to
EFIS internal batteries would happen to kill one of them, the remaining 680
should have enough to get me started. I also have the ability to isolate a battery
in an alternator failure to supply nothing but my Lightspeed III.
Swapping one of these batteries every other annual, or even every annual, at
$100USD isn't that major of an expense to me and I can always use the old batteries
in the lawnmower, computer UPS, car, etc.
Michael
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Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 8:57 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Chargers ...... and batteries
Which causes me to ask why is everybody putting really expensive
batteries in their planes???
Linn
Miller John wrote:
> Been using Battery Tenders on my Odyssey 680s for several years now with
> no problems.
>
> It was recommended in Aviation Consumer as well as Light Plane Maintenance.
>
> grumpy
> N184JM
>
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That seems to be the truth behind the marketing fluff. The "special" Odyssey
chargers are no different from a multipurpose charger with an AGM mode. The
main thing being that the AGM's are charged at 14.6 volts optimally.
I also think that it's a must to have the desulphate capability to get the most
life out of your battery, especially if you are regularly charging/discharging
as in when you are playing with avionics. I would guess the Schumacher has
it but can't tell for sure. Here's the link to the 12248:
http://www.batteryminders.com/batterycharger/catalog/BatteryMINDer-12-Volt-2-4-or-8-Amp-Charger-Maintainer-Desulf-p-16133.html
You can see the charging profiles under the "More Info" tab and in the instructions.
There is a wealth of info in the instruction manual even if you don't
use their chargers.
Michael
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 4:24 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Chargers
I watched the discussion on AeroElectric and read lots of things
at other places about charging my Odyssey PC925, and spent a bunch
of time reading before I bought a charger. Michael's right, that
12248 would eb a great way to go, and it's supposely got a great
voltage curve for charging the Odyssey.
What I did for myself though was a little different. I got
a larger charger, that costs a bit more. I had been looking for
Odyssey specific chargers, and wanted to make sure I did the best
I could to charge at the right voltage. There is an Odyssey
labeled charger that looks exactly like the Schumacher
Speed Charge 1200A, which WalMart also sells. The difference I
think is that the Odyssey doesn't have the variety of
charging profiles. I got one off Ebay really really cheap,
and got one at WalMart too, so now I use them at home and
at the hangar.
Here is a link:
http://store.schumachermart.com/sc-1200a.html
A few weeks ago I got fired up to verify that this was really
the same, so I sent Schumacher an email asking if they had
the same charge curve, and they said they were the same.
I'm assuming I'd use AGM mode, so that's what I've been
using. It's more expensive of a charger than you have
to have, but it can charge other batteries too.
I plug mine in sometimes if I have a big trip coming up,
and want to ensure I've got a perfect charge, and I
charge it during the winter when I don't fly as often.
In the summer though, I generally don't charge it.
I suppose I connect the charger maybe 10 times a year.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
RV Builder (Michael Sausen) wrote:
> I'm using the BatteryMinder 12248 for my Odyssey batteries. There was
> a write-up in one of the mags a few months back comparing different
> chargers and this one looked to be the best. It will charge any style
> lead acid battery and also desulphates. They will say on their site
> that you should get their "special" charger for Odyssey batteries but it
> only has a single profile in it for Odyssey AGM batteries.
>
>
>
> I spent a bunch of time looking at the information on the "special"
> charger vs. the 12248 which will charge flooded, AGM, and gel batteries
> and could not find a difference in the Odyssey vs. the AGM profiles that
> made it worthwhile. I also run the Odyssey in my motorcycle and ATV but
> I wanted the options and I have been very happy with it.
>
>
>
> Michael
>
>
>
> *From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of
> *Dawson-Townsend,Timothy
> *Sent:* Thursday, September 24, 2009 11:26 AM
> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* RV10-List: Chargers
>
>
>
> What are folks following for a battery-charging philosophy? I am using
> Odyssey PC680s (who isn't?), and was wondering if folks are trickle
> charging all the time when you're in the hangar, only when not expecting
> to fly for a while, or only when it's winter, etc.
>
>
>
> Please share your thoughts.
>
>
> TDT
>
>
>
> Tim Dawson-Townsend
>
> Aurora Flight Sciences
>
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It's a pretty easy mod to use a pair of 680's in the stock location. Sev
eral of us have done it and you can still use a single contactor if you wan
t.
Michael
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@m
atronics.com] On Behalf Of David McNeill
Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 8:01 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Chargers
No to the 680s without mod; too wide; also probably need additional master
contactor to use either or both batteries.
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of McGann, Ron
Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 4:44 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Chargers
--> <Ron.McGann@thalesgroup.com.au>
I have posted previously on poor cranking performance. I have had an issue
with slow cranking ever since first start. My battery failed completely tw
o
weeks ago. I firmly believe my original (Concorde) battery was stuffed fro
m
the start and never really held a full charge - would not buy another. Hav
e
not been able to get a PC925 locally yet, so used a Dekka sealed gel cell a
s
a temp measure. Same size as the Concorde with 380CCA. Could not believe
how quickly the prop spun with a decent battery.
When finalising my avionics integration, I used a 20Amp 13.2VDC power suppl
y
in parallel with the battery to prevent constant discharge. I need to do
some more research, but it would not surprise me if this contributed to the
failure of the battery by overcharging it.
BTW, is it possible to fit two 680s in the standard tray without
modification?
Cheers
Ron
VH-XRM, flying in Oz
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jesse Saint
Sent: Friday, 25 September 2009 3:44 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Chargers
I only put a charge on when I'm working on avionics or something without th
e
engine running. Every once in a while, if the plane has been sitting for a
while, I'll throw a charger on it just to make sure it is up to cranking.
Never had a problem. I use the Concord standard battery that Van's makes
the tray for.
do not archive
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse@saintaviation.com
Cell: 352-427-0285
Fax: 815-377-3694
On Sep 24, 2009, at 1:23 PM, Ande Boyer wrote:
> Here's a noob question for you guys (I'm in the "prebuild/
> investigation" phase of my RV-10 ;-)....
>
> It sounds like you guys have a battery charger as standard equipment.
> Why is this? Does the battery that goes in the RV-10 not hold a
> charge? Or is there some kind of current leak?
>
> I've got a Warrior atm and we have no problem going weeks w/o running
> it and it always cranks up just fine.
>
> Just wondering.....I've only been on this list for about 3 days and
> have already learned so much.
>
> Thanks,
> Ande Boyer
> Huntsville, AL
>
>
>
> On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 11:25 AM, Dawson-Townsend,Timothy
> <tdawson-townsend@aurora.aero
> > wrote:
> What are folks following for a battery-charging philosophy? I am
> using Odyssey PC680s (who isn't?), and was wondering if folks are
> trickle charging all the time when you're in the hangar, only when not
> expecting to fly for a while, or only when it's winter, etc.
>
>
> Please share your thoughts.
>
>
> TDT
>
>
>
> Tim Dawson-Townsend
>
> Aurora Flight Sciences
>
> tdt@aurora.aero
>
> 617-500-4812 (office)
>
> 617-905-4800 (mobile)
>
>
>
>
> get="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Flow Transducer Move |
You can get a similar cooling shroud for the pump on the 360/540 series fro
m here....
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/eppages/fuelpumps.php
Michael
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@m
atronics.com] On Behalf Of Patrick Thyssen
Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 2:35 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Fuel Flow Transducer Move
Here is another picture of a fuel pump on M7-235 Maule I changed earlier th
is year. big red hose for airconditioning of fuel pump.
Patrick Thyssen
--- On Thu, 9/24/09, Patrick Thyssen <jump2@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
From: Patrick Thyssen <jump2@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Fuel Flow Transducer Move
One thing I have just thought about and correct me if I'm wrong. From the f
uel pump to the fuel pressure sending unit is up hill or above the fuel pum
p. This being said if you get air in your hoses going to your pressure tran
sducer from being hot [vapor] then you could have a problem as to what it
is reporting.
By having a compression of air instead of solid liquid.
Lets hear from the engineers.
Patrick Thyssen
Engine pickled again!!! for new instrument panel
Oh how I love OP
--- On Thu, 9/24/09, McGann, Ron <Ron.McGann@thalesgroup.com.au> wrote:
From: McGann, Ron <Ron.McGann@thalesgroup.com.au>
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Fuel Flow Transducer Move
au>
Only 40 hours but same experience as Marcus. Only irregluarity comes
when the boost pump is engaged but the totaliser function always appears
to reflect remaining fuel to within a gallon or so.
Ron McGann
Head of Engineering
Security Solutions & Services
Aerospace
Tel: +61 2 9562 3530 | Mob: +61 (0) 466 655 393 | Fax: +61 2 9562 2100
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Marcus Cooper
Sent: Friday, 25 September 2009 2:45 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Fuel Flow Transducer Move
I have about 430 hours with the transducer in the plans location. No
real
issues although I do notice a slight FF drop when I turn the boost pump
off.
So far it has been very accurate and consistent.
Marcus
40286
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Nick Leonard
Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 12:05 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: Fuel Flow Transducer Move
As an informal survey for the rest of us, it would be interesting to get
feedback from those that have left it where Van's originally suggested.
Are
any of you having any trouble with the transducer in that location?
How many people have moved the unit because of inaccurate readings or
other
problems?
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RV-10 (40015) Finish
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It appears that the best price is:
http://www.northerntool.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/product_6970_200326706
_200326706?cm_mmc=housefile-_-recd-_-phone-_-conf
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of RV Builder
(Michael Sausen)
Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 6:52 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Chargers
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That seems to be the truth behind the marketing fluff. The "special"
Odyssey chargers are no different from a multipurpose charger with an AGM
mode. The main thing being that the AGM's are charged at 14.6 volts
optimally.
I also think that it's a must to have the desulphate capability to get the
most life out of your battery, especially if you are regularly
charging/discharging as in when you are playing with avionics. I would
guess the Schumacher has it but can't tell for sure. Here's the link to the
12248:
http://www.batteryminders.com/batterycharger/catalog/BatteryMINDer-12-Volt-2
-4-or-8-Amp-Charger-Maintainer-Desulf-p-16133.html
You can see the charging profiles under the "More Info" tab and in the
instructions. There is a wealth of info in the instruction manual even if
you don't use their chargers.
Michael
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 4:24 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Chargers
I watched the discussion on AeroElectric and read lots of things at other
places about charging my Odyssey PC925, and spent a bunch of time reading
before I bought a charger. Michael's right, that
12248 would eb a great way to go, and it's supposely got a great voltage
curve for charging the Odyssey.
What I did for myself though was a little different. I got a larger
charger, that costs a bit more. I had been looking for Odyssey specific
chargers, and wanted to make sure I did the best I could to charge at the
right voltage. There is an Odyssey labeled charger that looks exactly like
the Schumacher Speed Charge 1200A, which WalMart also sells. The difference
I think is that the Odyssey doesn't have the variety of charging profiles.
I got one off Ebay really really cheap, and got one at WalMart too, so now I
use them at home and at the hangar.
Here is a link:
http://store.schumachermart.com/sc-1200a.html
A few weeks ago I got fired up to verify that this was really the same, so I
sent Schumacher an email asking if they had the same charge curve, and they
said they were the same.
I'm assuming I'd use AGM mode, so that's what I've been using. It's more
expensive of a charger than you have to have, but it can charge other
batteries too.
I plug mine in sometimes if I have a big trip coming up, and want to ensure
I've got a perfect charge, and I charge it during the winter when I don't
fly as often.
In the summer though, I generally don't charge it.
I suppose I connect the charger maybe 10 times a year.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
RV Builder (Michael Sausen) wrote:
> I'm using the BatteryMinder 12248 for my Odyssey batteries. There
> was a write-up in one of the mags a few months back comparing
> different chargers and this one looked to be the best. It will charge
> any style lead acid battery and also desulphates. They will say on
> their site that you should get their "special" charger for Odyssey
> batteries but it only has a single profile in it for Odyssey AGM
batteries.
>
>
>
> I spent a bunch of time looking at the information on the "special"
> charger vs. the 12248 which will charge flooded, AGM, and gel
> batteries and could not find a difference in the Odyssey vs. the AGM
> profiles that made it worthwhile. I also run the Odyssey in my
> motorcycle and ATV but I wanted the options and I have been very happy
with it.
>
>
>
> Michael
>
>
>
> *From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of
> *Dawson-Townsend,Timothy
> *Sent:* Thursday, September 24, 2009 11:26 AM
> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* RV10-List: Chargers
>
>
>
> What are folks following for a battery-charging philosophy? I am
> using Odyssey PC680s (who isn't?), and was wondering if folks are
> trickle charging all the time when you're in the hangar, only when not
> expecting to fly for a while, or only when it's winter, etc.
>
>
>
> Please share your thoughts.
>
>
> TDT
>
>
>
> Tim Dawson-Townsend
>
> Aurora Flight Sciences
>
> tdt@aurora.aero <mailto:tdt@aurora.aero>
>
> 617-500-4812 (office)
>
> 617-905-4800 (mobile)
>
>
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A heads up on the door hinges.
If you read the plans carefully, you'll find a confusing error. They
show the left door hinges with the proper parts call out. When the
plans say to repeat the steps for the right door, if you where to use
the same parts call out, they would be reversed. It was obvious that
something was wrong, but I wasn't sure which door was wrong. I called
Scott at Vans and he went out to the company's RV10 and took pictures
and emailed me them. The call out for the left door is correct, that is
the lower part of the hinge should face the center of the door, as the
plans show. The right door should just mirror image the left, although
the part numbers are reversed. Better safe than sorry, so I always check
when something doesn't compute. Thanks to Scott for his prompt help, and
not laughing at me for requiring clarification for something as probably
obvious to most.
Chris Hukill
Trying to close the door on all this fiberglass work!
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here's another alternative
_____
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of RV Builder
(Michael Sausen)
Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 7:18 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Chargers
It's a pretty easy mod to use a pair of 680's in the stock location.
Several of us have done it and you can still use a single contactor if
you
want.
Michael
FP29052007A000H3.jpg
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David McNeill
Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 8:01 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Chargers
No to the 680s without mod; too wide; also probably need additional
master
contactor to use either or both batteries.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of McGann, Ron
Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 4:44 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Chargers
--> <Ron.McGann@thalesgroup.com.au>
I have posted previously on poor cranking performance. I have had an
issue
with slow cranking ever since first start. My battery failed completely
two
weeks ago. I firmly believe my original (Concorde) battery was stuffed
from
the start and never really held a full charge - would not buy another.
Have
not been able to get a PC925 locally yet, so used a Dekka sealed gel
cell as
a temp measure. Same size as the Concorde with 380CCA. Could not
believe
how quickly the prop spun with a decent battery.
When finalising my avionics integration, I used a 20Amp 13.2VDC power
supply
in parallel with the battery to prevent constant discharge. I need to
do
some more research, but it would not surprise me if this contributed to
the
failure of the battery by overcharging it.
BTW, is it possible to fit two 680s in the standard tray without
modification?
Cheers
Ron
VH-XRM, flying in Oz
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jesse Saint
Sent: Friday, 25 September 2009 3:44 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Chargers
I only put a charge on when I'm working on avionics or something without
the
engine running. Every once in a while, if the plane has been sitting
for a
while, I'll throw a charger on it just to make sure it is up to
cranking.
Never had a problem. I use the Concord standard battery that Van's
makes
the tray for.
do not archive
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse@saintaviation.com
Cell: 352-427-0285
Fax: 815-377-3694
On Sep 24, 2009, at 1:23 PM, Ande Boyer wrote:
> Here's a noob question for you guys (I'm in the "prebuild/
> investigation" phase of my RV-10 ;-)....
>
> It sounds like you guys have a battery charger as standard equipment.
> Why is this? Does the battery that goes in the RV-10 not hold a
> charge? Or is there some kind of current leak?
>
> I've got a Warrior atm and we have no problem going weeks w/o running
> it and it always cranks up just fine.
>
> Just wondering.....I've only been on this list for about 3 days and
> have already learned so much.
>
> Thanks,
> Ande Boyer
> Huntsville, AL
>
>
>
> On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 11:25 AM, Dawson-Townsend,Timothy
> <tdawson-townsend@aurora.aero
> > wrote:
> What are folks following for a battery-charging philosophy? I am
> using Odyssey PC680s (who isn't?), and was wondering if folks are
> trickle charging all the time when you're in the hangar, only when not
> expecting to fly for a while, or only when it's winter, etc.
>
>
> Please share your thoughts.
>
>
> TDT
>
>
>
> Tim Dawson-Townsend
>
> Aurora Flight Sciences
>
> tdt@aurora.aero
>
> 617-500-4812 (office)
>
> 617-905-4800 (mobile)
>
>
>
>
> get="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List
> ttp://forums.matronics.com
> _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>
>
>
>
> --
> "Pilots are a rare kind of human. They leave the ordinary surface of
> the world, to purify their soul in the sky, and they come down to
> earth, only after receiving the communion of the infinite." - Jos=E9
> Maria Velasco Ibarra
>
>
>
>
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have fun getting the doors to fit now!
From: Chris Hukill
Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 8:27 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Door hinges
A heads up on the door hinges.
If you read the plans carefully, you'll find a confusing error. They
show the left door hinges with the proper parts call out. When the
plans say to repeat the steps for the right door, if you where to use
the same parts call out, they would be reversed. It was obvious that
something was wrong, but I wasn't sure which door was wrong. I called
Scott at Vans and he went out to the company's RV10 and took pictures
and emailed me them. The call out for the left door is correct, that is
the lower part of the hinge should face the center of the door, as the
plans show. The right door should just mirror image the left, although
the part numbers are reversed. Better safe than sorry, so I always check
when something doesn't compute. Thanks to Scott for his prompt help, and
not laughing at me for requiring clarification for something as probably
obvious to most.
Chris Hukill
Trying to close the door on all this fiberglass work!
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Flow Transducer Move |
I've got one of those. Haven't installed it yet, but I have it.
Some day if I get real bored or ambitious, I'll put it on
and report back. Maybe years from now. I know if I ever pull
the engine I'll install it, but not sure if I will otherwise.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
do not archive
RV Builder (Michael Sausen) wrote:
> You can get a similar cooling shroud for the pump on the 360/540 series
> from here.
>
>
>
> http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/eppages/fuelpumps.php
>
>
>
> Michael
>
>
>
> *From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Patrick Thyssen
> *Sent:* Friday, September 25, 2009 2:35 AM
> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* RE: RV10-List: Re: Fuel Flow Transducer Move
>
>
>
> Here is another picture of a fuel pump on M7-235 Maule I changed earlier
> this year. big red hose for airconditioning of fuel pump.
> Patrick Thyssen
>
> --- On *Thu, 9/24/09, Patrick Thyssen /<jump2@sbcglobal.net>/* wrote:
>
>
> From: Patrick Thyssen <jump2@sbcglobal.net>
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Fuel Flow Transducer Move
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Date: Thursday, September 24, 2009, 10:17 PM
>
> One thing I have just thought about and correct me if I'm wrong. From
> the fuel pump to the fuel pressure sending unit is up hill or above the
> fuel pump. This being said if you get air in your hoses going to your
> pressure transducer from being hot [vapor] then you could have a
> problem as to what it is reporting.
> By having a compression of air instead of solid liquid.
> Lets hear from the engineers.
>
> Patrick Thyssen
> Engine pickled again!!! for new instrument panel
> Oh how I love OP
>
> --- On *Thu, 9/24/09, McGann, Ron /<Ron.McGann@thalesgroup.com.au>/* wrote:
>
>
> From: McGann, Ron <Ron.McGann@thalesgroup.com.au>
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Fuel Flow Transducer Move
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Date: Thursday, September 24, 2009, 5:28 PM
>
> <Ron.McGann@thalesgroup.com.au>
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> Only 40 hours but same experience as Marcus. Only irregluarity comes
> when the boost pump is engaged but the totaliser function always appears
> to reflect remaining fuel to within a gallon or so.
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> Ron McGann
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> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Marcus Cooper
> Sent: Friday, 25 September 2009 2:45 AM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Fuel Flow Transducer Move
>
>
> I have about 430 hours with the transducer in the plans location. No
> real
> issues although I do notice a slight FF drop when I turn the boost pump
> off.
> So far it has been very accurate and consistent.
>
> Marcus
> 40286
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> As an informal survey for the rest of us, it would be interesting to get
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> Are
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> How many people have moved the unit because of inaccurate readings or
> other
> problems?
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> --------
> Nick Leonard
> RV-10 (40015) Finish
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And other than lawyer-speak ..... does anyone have the faintest idea why
it's "Not for use with 12V aircraft battery.?????
Linn
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I was checking the Schumacher manual today on the SC-1200A and
it does show that it has a desulphate mode. Doesn't look like
it's used as part of a normal charge cycle though. I'm not
totally sure of the details on it.
I did remember that the one that is often mentioned on Aeroelectric
is the one referred to in these 2 clippings from 2008 that i'll
repost:
---------------------
"Yeah, I saw those a couple of days ago at WallyWorld.
I've got one of the older versions and did extensive
testing that showed this little guy was about 2x
faster than the Battery-Minder/Battery-Tender wall-wart
crowd (0.8A versus 1.5A recharge) and equally as
"smart" with at less than 2/3 the price.
My favorite of the small guys.
Bob . . . "
"New number is SEM-1562A old # was WM-1562A"
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Tim
RV Builder (Michael Sausen) wrote:
> <rvbuilder@sausen.net>
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> That seems to be the truth behind the marketing fluff. The "special"
> Odyssey chargers are no different from a multipurpose charger with an
> AGM mode. The main thing being that the AGM's are charged at 14.6
> volts optimally.
>
> I also think that it's a must to have the desulphate capability to
> get the most life out of your battery, especially if you are
> regularly charging/discharging as in when you are playing with
> avionics. I would guess the Schumacher has it but can't tell for
> sure. Here's the link to the 12248:
>
> http://www.batteryminders.com/batterycharger/catalog/BatteryMINDer-12-Volt-2-4-or-8-Amp-Charger-Maintainer-Desulf-p-16133.html
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> You can see the charging profiles under the "More Info" tab and in
> the instructions. There is a wealth of info in the instruction
> manual even if you don't use their chargers.
>
> Michael
>
> -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
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> I watched the discussion on AeroElectric and read lots of things at
> other places about charging my Odyssey PC925, and spent a bunch of
> time reading before I bought a charger. Michael's right, that 12248
> would eb a great way to go, and it's supposely got a great voltage
> curve for charging the Odyssey.
>
> What I did for myself though was a little different. I got a larger
> charger, that costs a bit more. I had been looking for Odyssey
> specific chargers, and wanted to make sure I did the best I could to
> charge at the right voltage. There is an Odyssey labeled charger
> that looks exactly like the Schumacher Speed Charge 1200A, which
> WalMart also sells. The difference I think is that the Odyssey
> doesn't have the variety of charging profiles. I got one off Ebay
> really really cheap, and got one at WalMart too, so now I use them at
> home and at the hangar.
>
> Here is a link:
>
> http://store.schumachermart.com/sc-1200a.html
>
> A few weeks ago I got fired up to verify that this was really the
> same, so I sent Schumacher an email asking if they had the same
> charge curve, and they said they were the same. I'm assuming I'd use
> AGM mode, so that's what I've been using. It's more expensive of a
> charger than you have to have, but it can charge other batteries too.
>
>
> I plug mine in sometimes if I have a big trip coming up, and want to
> ensure I've got a perfect charge, and I charge it during the winter
> when I don't fly as often. In the summer though, I generally don't
> charge it. I suppose I connect the charger maybe 10 times a year.
>
> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
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>
>
> RV Builder (Michael Sausen) wrote:
>> I'm using the BatteryMinder 12248 for my Odyssey batteries. There
>> was a write-up in one of the mags a few months back comparing
>> different chargers and this one looked to be the best. It will
>> charge any style lead acid battery and also desulphates. They will
>> say on their site that you should get their "special" charger for
>> Odyssey batteries but it only has a single profile in it for
>> Odyssey AGM batteries.
>>
>>
>>
>> I spent a bunch of time looking at the information on the "special"
>> charger vs. the 12248 which will charge flooded, AGM, and gel
>> batteries and could not find a difference in the Odyssey vs. the
>> AGM profiles that made it worthwhile. I also run the Odyssey in my
>> motorcycle and ATV but I wanted the options and I have been very
>> happy with it.
>>
>>
>>
>> Michael
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of
>> *Dawson-Townsend,Timothy *Sent:* Thursday, September 24, 2009 11:26
>> AM *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com *Subject:* RV10-List: Chargers
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>>
>>
>> What are folks following for a battery-charging philosophy? I am
>> using Odyssey PC680s (who isn't?), and was wondering if folks are
>> trickle charging all the time when you're in the hangar, only when
>> not expecting to fly for a while, or only when it's winter, etc.
>>
>>
>>
>> Please share your thoughts.
>>
>>
>> TDT
>>
>>
>>
>> Tim Dawson-Townsend
>>
>> Aurora Flight Sciences
>>
>> tdt@aurora.aero <mailto:tdt@aurora.aero>
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Hi
Save yourself some grief and fit you doors with the seals on. The geometry
changes after the seals are in place.
Cheers
Les
#40643 - Living in f/g hell
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Pascal
Sent: September-25-09 10:11 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Door hinges
have fun getting the doors to fit now!
From: Chris Hukill <mailto:cjhukill@cox.net>
Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 8:27 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Door hinges
A heads up on the door hinges.
If you read the plans carefully, you'll find a confusing error. They show
the left door hinges with the proper parts call out. When the plans say to
repeat the steps for the right door, if you where to use the same parts call
out, they would be reversed. It was obvious that something was wrong, but I
wasn't sure which door was wrong. I called Scott at Vans and he went out to
the company's RV10 and took pictures and emailed me them. The call out for
the left door is correct, that is the lower part of the hinge should face
the center of the door, as the plans show. The right door should just mirror
image the left, although the part numbers are reversed. Better safe than
sorry, so I always check when something doesn't compute. Thanks to Scott for
his prompt help, and not laughing at me for requiring clarification for
something as probably obvious to most.
Chris Hukill
Trying to close the door on all this fiberglass work!
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Hi Again
For clarity - I mean after the hinges are installed and you are working on
fitting the door so that the gaps etc are correct.
..L
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Les Kearney
Sent: September-25-09 10:40 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Door hinges
Hi
Save yourself some grief and fit you doors with the seals on. The geometry
changes after the seals are in place.
Cheers
Les
#40643 - Living in f/g hell
_____
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Pascal
Sent: September-25-09 10:11 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Door hinges
have fun getting the doors to fit now!
From: Chris Hukill <mailto:cjhukill@cox.net>
Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 8:27 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Door hinges
A heads up on the door hinges.
If you read the plans carefully, you'll find a confusing error. They show
the left door hinges with the proper parts call out. When the plans say to
repeat the steps for the right door, if you where to use the same parts call
out, they would be reversed. It was obvious that something was wrong, but I
wasn't sure which door was wrong. I called Scott at Vans and he went out to
the company's RV10 and took pictures and emailed me them. The call out for
the left door is correct, that is the lower part of the hinge should face
the center of the door, as the plans show. The right door should just mirror
image the left, although the part numbers are reversed. Better safe than
sorry, so I always check when something doesn't compute. Thanks to Scott for
his prompt help, and not laughing at me for requiring clarification for
something as probably obvious to most.
Chris Hukill
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Right there with you Les...
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Jeff Carpenter
40304
On Sep 25, 2009, at 9:40 AM, Les Kearney wrote:
> Hi
>
> Save yourself some grief and fit you doors with the seals on. The
> geometry changes after the seals are in place.
>
> Cheers
>
> Les
> #40643 ' Living in f/g hell
>
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> ] On Behalf OfPascal
> Sent: September-25-09 10:11 AM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Door hinges
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> have fun getting the doors to fit now!
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> From: Chris Hukill
> Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 8:27 AM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV10-List: Door hinges
>
> A heads up on the door hinges.
> If you read the plans carefully, you'll find a confusing error. They
> show the left door hinges with the proper parts call out. When the
> plans say to repeat the steps for the right door, if you where to
> use the same parts call out, they would be reversed. It was obvious
> that something was wrong, but I wasn't sure which door was wrong. I
> called Scott at Vans and he went out to the company's RV10 and took
> pictures and emailed me them. The call out for the left door is
> correct, that is the lower part of the hinge should face the center
> of the door, as the plans show. The right door should just mirror
> image the left, although the part numbers are reversed. Better safe
> than sorry, so I always check when something doesn't compute. Thanks
> to Scott for his prompt help, and not laughing at me for requiring
> clarification for something as probably obvious to most.
> Chris Hukill
> Trying to close the door on all this fiberglass work!
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Not TSOed or Certified? Seriously most of the sealed batteries used for
experimental aviation purposes are AGM. Also BM have one they call for
aviation purposes; price is about $140 versus $100 at northern tools. Same
12248 and same specs.
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Linn Walters
Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 9:30 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Chargers
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And other than lawyer-speak ..... does anyone have the faintest idea why
it's "Not for use with 12V aircraft battery.?????
Linn
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I too looked very carefully at this section, before deciding the instructions are
correct. You'll notice they refer to the hinges as "left" and "right", not
fore and aft. The "left" and "right" are correct for both doors (as you face
them); obviously, "fore" and "aft" are reversed as you move to the right hand
door.
--------
Bob Turner
RV-10 QB
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If using the BM 12248, each battery on board will have to be maintained
separately, since it appears to need to sense the voltage of the battery.
The easiest way it seems to do this is establish a DC receptacles that uses
ring terminals across the battery posts. Then alternate as required
different days/weeks to desulphate and maintain each on board battery. For
those with constant draw items perhaps the charger should be left connected
that battery. Receptacles are $7 each at Radio shack, DC plug also $7. The
plug will have to be connected to the ring accessory cord that is included
with the charger.
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Check the following for differences. It appears that the aviation and
Odyssey versions are designed to be idiot proof.
http://www.batteryminders.com/batterycharger/catalog/Aviation-Specific-Maint
enance-Battery-Charger-De-Sulfators-orderby0-p-1-c-249.html
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Actually, the manual for that depicts how to connect it to multiple batte
ries at once. Shouldn't be a problem. I believe the way 'lectric Bob has
explained it in the past is that the charger will sense the combined voltag
e but the resistance to charge will vary by the charge level so the battery
needing the charge will take more than the battery with a full charge.
Michael
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@m
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Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 12:40 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Chargers
If using the BM 12248, each battery on board will have to be maintained sep
arately, since it appears to need to sense the voltage of the battery. The
easiest way it seems to do this is establish a DC receptacles that uses rin
g terminals across the battery posts. Then alternate as required different
days/weeks to desulphate and maintain each on board battery. For those with
constant draw items perhaps the charger should be left connected that batt
ery. Receptacles are $7 each at Radio shack, DC plug also $7. The plug will
have to be connected to the ring accessory cord that is included with the
charger.
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| Subject: | Flap positioning system |
For those who have the flap pre-select system: I am at stage to decide
whether I want this system or not. My question is whether it can be adjusted
to select reflex, trail, 1/2 and full flaps? Or can you only get 10, 20, 30
degrees?
Kelly
40866
QB arriving
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| Subject: | Flap positioning system |
That is exactly what you get - reflex, 0, =BD and full.
Bob
N442PM
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@m
atronics.com] On Behalf Of Kelly McMullen
Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 1:39 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Flap positioning system
For those who have the flap pre-select system: I am at stage to decide whet
her I want this system or not. My question is whether it can be adjusted to
select reflex, trail, 1/2 and full flaps? Or can you only get 10, 20, 30 d
egrees?
Kelly
40866
QB arriving
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| Subject: | Re: Flap positioning system |
If I did it again I think I would rather have more control over exactly how
much down=C2-flap I could use past zero. At times full is too much and 1
/2 is not enough but I'm just being picky I suppose. I do like the zero set
ting for take off vs. the reflex or -3 degree setting. I've found the diffe
rence being at zero the aircraft just flies off without much back pressure
at all with an overall increase in climb performance. =C2-In the =C2-re
flex=C2-position =C2-you need a bit more pressure to rotate and take of
f.....that extra one inch of pull is wearing me out! The system works great
though.
Rick Sked
N246RS
Flying naked
Painting the pants and fairings
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From: "Bob Condrey (US SSA)" <bob.condrey@baesystems.com>
Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 11:42:21 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Flap positioning system
That is exactly what you get =93 reflex, 0, =C2=BD and full.
Bob
N442PM
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@m
atronics.com] On Behalf Of Kelly McMullen
Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 1:39 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Flap positioning system
For those who have the flap pre-select system: I am at stage to decide whet
her I want this system or not. My question is whether it can be adjusted to
select reflex, trail, 1/2 and full flaps? Or can you only get 10, 20, 30 d
egrees?
Kelly
40866
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| Subject: | Re: Flap positioning system |
I see no reason for any more than these 4 settings,
but by cutting a couple more notches you could
add a couple more steps if you really felt it necessary.
The way it flies though, I see no need for any more
than what it has now. I think, but have not
measured, that it's reflex, 0, 15, 25
Tim
Condrey, Bob (US SSA) wrote:
> That is exactly what you get reflex, 0, and full.
>
>
>
> Bob
>
> N442PM
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> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Kelly McMullen
> *Sent:* Friday, September 25, 2009 1:39 PM
> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* RV10-List: Flap positioning system
>
>
>
> For those who have the flap pre-select system: I am at stage to decide
> whether I want this system or not. My question is whether it can be
> adjusted to select reflex, trail, 1/2 and full flaps? Or can you only
> get 10, 20, 30 degrees?
> Kelly
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Multiple batteries at once are fine provided you don't want to leave the
hook up in place and all connected to a single charge point. I have examined
my twin 680 setup which is wired in parallel to use either or both in
starting. If I wire them to the 12248 for multiple charge then the leads to
the second battery must have diodes to prevent "charge leveling" when the
charger is not connected ; hence the charger will not sense the voltage of
the second battery when connected.
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Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 11:37 AM
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Actually, the manual for that depicts how to connect it to multiple
batteries at once. Shouldn't be a problem. I believe the way 'lectric Bob
has explained it in the past is that the charger will sense the combined
voltage but the resistance to charge will vary by the charge level so the
battery needing the charge will take more than the battery with a full
charge.
Michael
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Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 12:40 PM
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If using the BM 12248, each battery on board will have to be maintained
separately, since it appears to need to sense the voltage of the battery.
The easiest way it seems to do this is establish a DC receptacles that uses
ring terminals across the battery posts. Then alternate as required
different days/weeks to desulphate and maintain each on board battery. For
those with constant draw items perhaps the charger should be left connected
that battery. Receptacles are $7 each at Radio shack, DC plug also $7. The
plug will have to be connected to the ring accessory cord that is included
with the charger.
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| Subject: | Flap positioning system |
Rick
Sounds like you need to life weights then hehehe, worn our all of us
still pounding rivits are worn out, LOL
I will look you up next time I am in LAS
Fly safe
John G. Cumins
President
JC'S Interactive Systems
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Fairfield Ca 94533
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick Sked
Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 12:02 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Flap positioning system
If I did it again I think I would rather have more control over exactly
how much down flap I could use past zero. At times full is too much and
1/2 is not enough but I'm just being picky I suppose. I do like the zero
setting for take off vs. the reflex or -3 degree setting. I've found the
difference being at zero the aircraft just flies off without much back
pressure at all with an overall increase in climb performance. In the
reflex position you need a bit more pressure to rotate and take
off.....that extra one inch of pull is wearing me out! The system works
great though.
Rick Sked
N246RS
Flying naked
Painting the pants and fairings
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Condrey (US SSA)" <bob.condrey@baesystems.com>
Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 11:42:21 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada
Pacific
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Flap positioning system
That is exactly what you get =93 reflex, 0, =C2=BD and full.
Bob
N442PM
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kelly
McMullen
Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 1:39 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Flap positioning system
For those who have the flap pre-select system: I am at stage to decide
whether I want this system or not. My question is whether it can be
adjusted to select reflex, trail, 1/2 and full flaps? Or can you only
get 10, 20, 30 degrees?
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Thanks everyone...exactly what I needed to know.
On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 3:02 PM, Tim Olson <Tim@myrv10.com> wrote:
>
> I see no reason for any more than these 4 settings,
> but by cutting a couple more notches you could
> add a couple more steps if you really felt it necessary.
> The way it flies though, I see no need for any more
> than what it has now. I think, but have not
> measured, that it's reflex, 0, 15, 25
>
> Tim
>
>
> Condrey, Bob (US SSA) wrote:
>
>> That is exactly what you get ' reflex, 0, =BD and full.
>>
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>> Bob
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>> N442PM
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| Subject: | Flap positioning system |
Ok for the people that don=99t have the FPS or have not used it
yet. One point of order. You can put your flaps at any setting from -3
degrees to full (?25 degrees). All you have to do is go down to the
preset (anyone), then hit the up switch until it is at the desired
setting.
Now, after 100 hours I have not needed to do that because my empty
weight CG is further aft than the Vans aircraft. But when I was doing
my transition training, I was taught to put the flaps down, then bring
them up just a little, or else you run out of elevator trim for
landing
Rene' Felker
RV-10 N423CF Flying
801-721-6080
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Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 1:02 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Flap positioning system
If I did it again I think I would rather have more control over exactly
how much down flap I could use past zero. At times full is too much and
1/2 is not enough but I'm just being picky I suppose. I do like the zero
setting for take off vs. the reflex or -3 degree setting. I've found the
difference being at zero the aircraft just flies off without much back
pressure at all with an overall increase in climb performance. In the
reflex position you need a bit more pressure to rotate and take
off.....that extra one inch of pull is wearing me out! The system works
great though.
Rick Sked
N246RS
Flying naked
Painting the pants and fairings
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Condrey (US SSA)" <bob.condrey@baesystems.com>
Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 11:42:21 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada
Pacific
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Flap positioning system
That is exactly what you get =93 reflex, 0, =C2=BD and full.
Bob
N442PM
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McMullen
Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 1:39 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Flap positioning system
For those who have the flap pre-select system: I am at stage to decide
whether I want this system or not. My question is whether it can be
adjusted to select reflex, trail, 1/2 and full flaps? Or can you only
get 10, 20, 30 degrees?
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| Subject: | Re: Flap positioning system |
Yes, you can stop the flaps anywhere mid travel by centering
the switch. Just yesterday I used it to give more partial
flaps so I could take photos of the wife in the cherokee.
you'd be amazed at how hard it is to fly side-by-side
with a plane that doesn't WANT to stay that slow. Yes,
the RV-10 flies nicely at slow speeds, but it cools better
at higher speeds, so to try to maintain 90kts
for 30 minutes, you have to pull out some tricks. Partial
flaps when needed aren't tough, even with a 4 stop positioner.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
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Rene Felker wrote:
> Ok for the people that dont have the FPS or have not used it yet. One
> point of order. You can put your flaps at any setting from -3 degrees
> to full (?25 degrees). All you have to do is go down to the preset
> (anyone), then hit the up switch until it is at the desired setting.
>
>
>
> Now, after 100 hours I have not needed to do that because my empty
> weight CG is further aft than the Vans aircraft. But when I was doing
> my transition training, I was taught to put the flaps down, then bring
> them up just a little, or else you run out of elevator trim for landing
>
>
>
> Rene' Felker
>
> RV-10 N423CF Flying
>
> 801-721-6080
>
> *From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Rick Sked
> *Sent:* Friday, September 25, 2009 1:02 PM
> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* Re: RV10-List: Flap positioning system
>
>
>
> If I did it again I think I would rather have more control over exactly
> how much down flap I could use past zero. At times full is too much and
> 1/2 is not enough but I'm just being picky I suppose. I do like the zero
> setting for take off vs. the reflex or -3 degree setting. I've found the
> difference being at zero the aircraft just flies off without much back
> pressure at all with an overall increase in climb performance. In
> the reflex position you need a bit more pressure to rotate and take
> off.....that extra one inch of pull is wearing me out! The system works
> great though.
>
>
>
> Rick Sked
>
> N246RS
>
> Flying naked
>
> Painting the pants and fairings
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bob Condrey (US SSA)" <bob.condrey@baesystems.com>
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 11:42:21 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Flap positioning system
>
> That is exactly what you get reflex, 0, and full.
>
>
>
> Bob
>
> N442PM
>
>
>
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> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Kelly McMullen
> *Sent:* Friday, September 25, 2009 1:39 PM
> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* RV10-List: Flap positioning system
>
>
>
> For those who have the flap pre-select system: I am at stage to decide
> whether I want this system or not. My question is whether it can be
> adjusted to select reflex, trail, 1/2 and full flaps? Or can you only
> get 10, 20, 30 degrees?
> Kelly
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Here is an alternative alternative...
http://www.painttheweb.com/rv-10/aeroxO2.htm
The set up here is a primary battery that we ingeniously labeled #1 and
a Back Up Battery labeled... you guessed it #2. Under power we only
charge #1 and #2 receives a trickle charge from #1. On my panel I have
two covered switches labeled Batt 1+2 & Batt 2(e). In general I use #1
exclusively for starting and all normal operations. In that case both
toggles are in the off position and the Master/Batt pulls from Batt #1
exclusively. If it's extra cold or I have goofed up and left the master
on or drained #1 for any reason I can switch to Batt 1+2 to start the
plane with both batteries or I can switch Batt 2(e) to start the plane
with the second battery only. The Batt #2(e) is designated as the
electrical source to drive the Essential Buss only in case of an
emergency where I only need my Essential avionics (PFD, Comm 1, Nav 1,
Cappuccino Machine, etc). Additionally there is a 3rd battery integrated
in my backup Dynon 100 incase my Cappuccino Machine blows the entire
electrical system. So far so good. I think we will rotate #1 & #2 every
conditional inspection.
http://www.painttheweb.com/rv-10/avionics.htm
Robin
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David McNeill
Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 8:57 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Chargers
here's another alternative
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of RV Builder
(Michael Sausen)
Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 7:18 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Chargers
It's a pretty easy mod to use a pair of 680's in the stock location.
Several of us have done it and you can still use a single contactor if
you want.
Michael
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David McNeill
Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 8:01 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Chargers
No to the 680s without mod; too wide; also probably need additional
master
contactor to use either or both batteries.
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of McGann, Ron
Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 4:44 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Chargers
--> <Ron.McGann@thalesgroup.com.au>
I have posted previously on poor cranking performance. I have had an
issue
with slow cranking ever since first start. My battery failed completely
two
weeks ago. I firmly believe my original (Concorde) battery was stuffed
from
the start and never really held a full charge - would not buy another.
Have
not been able to get a PC925 locally yet, so used a Dekka sealed gel
cell as
a temp measure. Same size as the Concorde with 380CCA. Could not
believe
how quickly the prop spun with a decent battery.
When finalising my avionics integration, I used a 20Amp 13.2VDC power
supply
in parallel with the battery to prevent constant discharge. I need to
do
some more research, but it would not surprise me if this contributed to
the
failure of the battery by overcharging it.
BTW, is it possible to fit two 680s in the standard tray without
modification?
Cheers
Ron
VH-XRM, flying in Oz
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jesse Saint
Sent: Friday, 25 September 2009 3:44 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Chargers
I only put a charge on when I'm working on avionics or something without
the
engine running. Every once in a while, if the plane has been sitting
for a
while, I'll throw a charger on it just to make sure it is up to
cranking.
Never had a problem. I use the Concord standard battery that Van's
makes
the tray for.
do not archive
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse@saintaviation.com
Cell: 352-427-0285
Fax: 815-377-3694
On Sep 24, 2009, at 1:23 PM, Ande Boyer wrote:
> Here's a noob question for you guys (I'm in the "prebuild/
> investigation" phase of my RV-10 ;-)....
>
> It sounds like you guys have a battery charger as standard equipment.
> Why is this? Does the battery that goes in the RV-10 not hold a
> charge? Or is there some kind of current leak?
>
> I've got a Warrior atm and we have no problem going weeks w/o running
> it and it always cranks up just fine.
>
> Just wondering.....I've only been on this list for about 3 days and
> have already learned so much.
>
> Thanks,
> Ande Boyer
> Huntsville, AL
>
>
>
> On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 11:25 AM, Dawson-Townsend,Timothy
> <tdawson-townsend@aurora.aero
> > wrote:
> What are folks following for a battery-charging philosophy? I am
> using Odyssey PC680s (who isn't?), and was wondering if folks are
> trickle charging all the time when you're in the hangar, only when not
> expecting to fly for a while, or only when it's winter, etc.
>
>
> Please share your thoughts.
>
>
> TDT
>
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I went to the Battery Minder manufacturer site and looked at the available
tech manuals. There are about 4 aviation specific options for the battery
models. These are idiot proof. The Odyssey specific model always uses the 8A
option and battery type selection is fixed. Therefore making a mistake
charging an Odyssey battery is not possible. Buy the 12248 standard model
and press the correct buttons; its cheaper.
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Aviation consumer recommends the Battery Minder (VDC); not the Battery
Tender (Deltran):
http://www.batteryminders.com/batterycharger/press_room/battery-chargers-vdc
-wins-in-a-walk.pdf
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Miller John
Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 8:09 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Chargers
Been using Battery Tenders on my Odyssey 680s for several years now with no
problems.
It was recommended in Aviation Consumer as well as Light Plane Maintenance.
grumpy
N184JM
do not archive
On Sep 24, 2009, at 8:03 PM, Brian wrote:
Avoid using the Battery Tender on sealed aircraft batteries. It chewed up
two Concorde's in less than a year before I wised up (afterwards I also
switched to the PC925). I would recommend going with a charger that was
specifically designed for that type of battery:
http://www.batteryminders.com/specials.php
Brian
RV-10 N104BS
Nashville, TN
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Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 6:54 PM
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A very smart friend of mone turned me on to a charger called a "Battery
Minder". Look it up online. Cost around $50. Not only trickle charges,
but sends out pulses that keep sulfides from forming. The friends 210 has
not replaced his battery in over 10 years... whereas before they seemed to
last 3 or 4 years. I use them on cars stored, motorcycles, boats, and my
plane.
Don McDonald
Plane parked.... on the boat......... wishing I was flying!
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<http://us.mc537.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=pitts_pilot@bellsouth.net> >
I leave my birds on the trickle charge almost all of the time .....
exception is when I'm in a hurry to lock up or just plain forget.
Linn
Dawson-Townsend,Timothy wrote:
> What are folks following for a battery-charging philosophy? I am using
Odyssey PC680s (who isn't?), and was wondering if folks are trickle charging
all the time when you're in the hangar, only when not expecting to fly for a
while, or only when it's winter, etc.
>
>
> Please share your thoughts.
>
>
> TDT
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During transition training Alex D. demonstrated that it actually takes abou
t 200-300 feet more roll on takeoff if in reflex instead of 0.
Bob
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If I did it again I think I would rather have more control over exactly how
much down flap I could use past zero. At times full is too much and 1/2 is
not enough but I'm just being picky I suppose. I do like the zero setting
for take off vs. the reflex or -3 degree setting. I've found the difference
being at zero the aircraft just flies off without much back pressure at al
l with an overall increase in climb performance. In the reflex position you
need a bit more pressure to rotate and take off.....that extra one inch of
pull is wearing me out! The system works great though.
Rick Sked
N246RS
Flying naked
Painting the pants and fairings
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Condrey (US SSA)" <bob.condrey@baesystems.com>
Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 11:42:21 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Flap positioning system
That is exactly what you get - reflex, 0, =BD and full.
Bob
N442PM
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Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 1:39 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Flap positioning system
For those who have the flap pre-select system: I am at stage to decide whet
her I want this system or not. My question is whether it can be adjusted to
select reflex, trail, 1/2 and full flaps? Or can you only get 10, 20, 30 d
egrees?
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Did my BFR this week in the 6A and spent some ground time with a G1000
system, thus renewing my enthusiasm for installing a G 900 in the 10. I
know as a group we are fortunate to now have several 900 drivers out there -
Robin, Gary, and more! For those of us still contemplating panel choices
would you guys please let us know what the fees ( costs in subscriptions,
XM, etc) are in keeping this 900 going and up to date. Also, what is the
mininum cost one may need to look forword to in VFR vrs IFR. Details would
sure be helpful like: "Charts and plates are $XXX, XM weather is $XXX,
traffic is $XXX, Other is $XXX - all per month. My annual fees are about
$XXX". Do you have NAV-WRX etc?
Appreciate any input from you guys! Thanks so much.
Rich
RV-6A 1000 hours
RV-10 Finishing kit - gear & wheel fairings
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Rich,
I am just going through the update process / potential
nightmare. I can't say enough good things about how the GH900X performs
especially with the SVT (synthetic terrain), TIS Traffic (where
available) and XM WX (plus Audio).
First the Fees. If you want to be completely up to date all the
time here are the fees. I didn't write down the individual fees as the
annual fees are 2-3 times the price for 10-13 times the data. Data is
provided by two (2) different companies through Three (3) different
delivery systems (of course).
DataBase Costs:
Jeppesen 800-553-7750/303-799-9090
Airport/Nav/Freq/Waypoint Data etc = $410.00 full US (annual) (partial
US is about $300)
Garmin Data (annual):
Safe Taxi $195
Obstacles $195
Flight Charts $395
~$800.00 Total
Terrain $150 Occasional Random Updates ~1.5-2 years
Assuming random & occasional Terrain updates the total annual DB update
is $410 + $800 = $1,210.00/year. Depending on the type of flying you do
you may be able to save by postponing Safe Taxi which is a tremendous
feature but I am unsure how critical these small changes are over the
years relative to the costs. PLEASE no flaming me, just a suggestion to
save a few $ for some that have regular commutes.
Obviously the two different companies are Jeppesen & Garmin and the
Download process is simple from Jeppesen and simple for Garmin but from
two different places "MyGarmin.com" for technical manuals, System
Updates etc... and Fly.Garmin.com for purchasing & downloading
Taxi/Obstacles/Charts.
Unfortunately there are some issues I am having with Garmin that border
on disturbing. The knowledgeable technical support is near non-existent.
When you call Garmin they answer with minimal hold times. GREAT! You
explain your issues completely and then they tell you they can't answer
your question and transfer you to a Field Service Representative that
SHOULD be versed in the G900X. You explain one more time your issue and
they hem and haw and tell you that you should really speak with the
G900X expert Tim. They transfer you to Tim whom I suspect it the most
overworked person at Garmin and with any luck he will answer your
questions but he is rarely available on the phone and will usually email
you back. Now Tim is excellent, knowledgeable and very friendly but he
seems to be the only person qualified to help. Let me give you a recent
example of some frustrating Garmin processes.
Initially my Garmin would not speak with my ($10,000) Sorcerer AP for
flying a heading. You could set & adjust the heading on the AP and it
would fly but not set or change it on the G900X and have it speak to the
AP to fly that heading. I spoke with Tim via email and after some
research we discovered that a recent System Software version addressed
the issue and all I had to do was upgrade the System Software (here
after SS = System Software) I had 006-00718-04 and needed to upgrade to
006-00718-05. Problem solved... Right... Well not exactly. How the
%(*&^@$! do you update the SS? Obviously you look in the 500 page Pilots
Guide. Fortunately it's in PDF form so after reading it front to back
again and looking for the procedure I contacted Tim who told me I would
find the procedure in the Installation Manual. Cool... All relevant
documents are housed at MyGarmin.com so I downloaded the Installation
Manual (hereafter IM) and read all 500 pages with not a word on
installing the SS. Geezzzz. I called Tim again and he emailed me that
the instructions were in section 15.1.2. Ohhhh that explains it, my IM
ends at 14.something.something. At this point I don't really feel I need
to control the Heading from the Heading knob on the Garmin. But I press
on. I ask Tim why I don't automatically have the latest IM in MyGarmin
as that is the place Garmin automatically updates all owners documents
so everyone is current. Apparently they have a few glitches on the auto
document population process. How much is this G900X again? I get the
latest IM and go straight to section 15.1.2 and start reading the SS
install process. The actual loading of the SS SEEMS pretty straight
forward with the exception of the 3rd paragraph where you are instructed
to clear all User Settings. Sounds innocent enough, User Settings
(hereafter U-S). The U-S are all your saved flight plans, all your
customized PFD/MFD settings and all your calibrations. WHAT? All your
calibrations??? That includes fuel, trim, flap etc... That has to be
wrong. There is no way Garmin would have you clear those w/o a way to
save and reinstall these settings. As part of the G900X purchase
included is a Certified G900X technician to calibrate and approve the
install at your location. As I was one of the first Tim and another tech
spent 2 days getting my system up and running and had to come back one
more time as they didn't have a tool to test some avionics required.
That is a 3 day out of town visit to approve the system and now they
want you to wipe out all the settings for a simple system upgrade.
Now granted the System Upgrades are fantastic as they keep adding
features like CHT/EGT data logging, moving items around based on user
suggestions etc... but no way can I wipe out the calibrations. There
must be some mistake but I am still waiting for an answer before I wipe
out all those settings. Did I mention I am still waiting?
As a user interface systems designer all these processes sure seem
unfriendly compared to how they could have been designed with what
amounts to a system like we have on some of our smart phones but
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO (picture John Belushi) this is more DOS like for some
unthinkable reason. Game of Pong anyone?
Since this issue is not resolved I am reserving judgment on the
data/calibrations loss problem till I have final word but as you can
tell from my experience so far simple answers are not readily available.
My one BIG piece of security is that this is a Garmin product and I am
sure they will be around vs. spending a bucket full of $ and having it
go all OP on me. You know me.... Mr. Glass Half Full...
One more thing. I know Tim has found a way to keep his Chelton up to
date for a fraction of what the Garmin/Jeppersen people are spending.
Including purchasing a lifetime deal on some updates that is impossible
to beat.
I have more to say but I am heading to the airport for a night flight
back to SBP.
Robin
-----Original Message -----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
karolamy@roadrunner.com
Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 3:41 PM
Subject: RV10-List: G-900 fees, dues, subscriptions
Did my BFR this week in the 6A and spent some ground time with a G1000
system, thus renewing my enthusiasm for installing a G 900 in the 10. I
know as a group we are fortunate to now have several 900 drivers out
there -
Robin, Gary, and more! For those of us still contemplating panel
choices
would you guys please let us know what the fees ( costs in
subscriptions,
XM, etc) are in keeping this 900 going and up to date. Also, what is
the
mininum cost one may need to look forword to in VFR vrs IFR. Details
would
sure be helpful like: "Charts and plates are $XXX, XM weather is $XXX,
traffic is $XXX, Other is $XXX - all per month. My annual fees are
about
$XXX". Do you have NAV-WRX etc?
Appreciate any input from you guys! Thanks so much.
Rich
RV-6A 1000 hours
RV-10 Finishing kit - gear & wheel fairings
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Keep blazin' the trails Robin...
Dave Leikam
RV-10 #40496
N89DA
Muskego, WI
----- Original Message -----
From: "Robin Marks" <robin1@mrmoisture.com>
Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 8:16 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: G-900 fees, dues, subscriptions
>
> Rich,
> I am just going through the update process / potential
> nightmare. I can't say enough good things about how the GH900X performs
> especially with the SVT (synthetic terrain), TIS Traffic (where
> available) and XM WX (plus Audio).
> First the Fees. If you want to be completely up to date all the
> time here are the fees. I didn't write down the individual fees as the
> annual fees are 2-3 times the price for 10-13 times the data. Data is
> provided by two (2) different companies through Three (3) different
> delivery systems (of course).
>
> DataBase Costs:
>
> Jeppesen 800-553-7750/303-799-9090
> Airport/Nav/Freq/Waypoint Data etc = $410.00 full US (annual) (partial
> US is about $300)
>
> Garmin Data (annual):
> Safe Taxi $195
> Obstacles $195
> Flight Charts $395
> ~$800.00 Total
>
> Terrain $150 Occasional Random Updates ~1.5-2 years
>
> Assuming random & occasional Terrain updates the total annual DB update
> is $410 + $800 = $1,210.00/year. Depending on the type of flying you do
> you may be able to save by postponing Safe Taxi which is a tremendous
> feature but I am unsure how critical these small changes are over the
> years relative to the costs. PLEASE no flaming me, just a suggestion to
> save a few $ for some that have regular commutes.
>
> Obviously the two different companies are Jeppesen & Garmin and the
> Download process is simple from Jeppesen and simple for Garmin but from
> two different places "MyGarmin.com" for technical manuals, System
> Updates etc... and Fly.Garmin.com for purchasing & downloading
> Taxi/Obstacles/Charts.
>
> Unfortunately there are some issues I am having with Garmin that border
> on disturbing. The knowledgeable technical support is near non-existent.
> When you call Garmin they answer with minimal hold times. GREAT! You
> explain your issues completely and then they tell you they can't answer
> your question and transfer you to a Field Service Representative that
> SHOULD be versed in the G900X. You explain one more time your issue and
> they hem and haw and tell you that you should really speak with the
> G900X expert Tim. They transfer you to Tim whom I suspect it the most
> overworked person at Garmin and with any luck he will answer your
> questions but he is rarely available on the phone and will usually email
> you back. Now Tim is excellent, knowledgeable and very friendly but he
> seems to be the only person qualified to help. Let me give you a recent
> example of some frustrating Garmin processes.
>
> Initially my Garmin would not speak with my ($10,000) Sorcerer AP for
> flying a heading. You could set & adjust the heading on the AP and it
> would fly but not set or change it on the G900X and have it speak to the
> AP to fly that heading. I spoke with Tim via email and after some
> research we discovered that a recent System Software version addressed
> the issue and all I had to do was upgrade the System Software (here
> after SS = System Software) I had 006-00718-04 and needed to upgrade to
> 006-00718-05. Problem solved... Right... Well not exactly. How the
> %(*&^@$! do you update the SS? Obviously you look in the 500 page Pilots
> Guide. Fortunately it's in PDF form so after reading it front to back
> again and looking for the procedure I contacted Tim who told me I would
> find the procedure in the Installation Manual. Cool... All relevant
> documents are housed at MyGarmin.com so I downloaded the Installation
> Manual (hereafter IM) and read all 500 pages with not a word on
> installing the SS. Geezzzz. I called Tim again and he emailed me that
> the instructions were in section 15.1.2. Ohhhh that explains it, my IM
> ends at 14.something.something. At this point I don't really feel I need
> to control the Heading from the Heading knob on the Garmin. But I press
> on. I ask Tim why I don't automatically have the latest IM in MyGarmin
> as that is the place Garmin automatically updates all owners documents
> so everyone is current. Apparently they have a few glitches on the auto
> document population process. How much is this G900X again? I get the
> latest IM and go straight to section 15.1.2 and start reading the SS
> install process. The actual loading of the SS SEEMS pretty straight
> forward with the exception of the 3rd paragraph where you are instructed
> to clear all User Settings. Sounds innocent enough, User Settings
> (hereafter U-S). The U-S are all your saved flight plans, all your
> customized PFD/MFD settings and all your calibrations. WHAT? All your
> calibrations??? That includes fuel, trim, flap etc... That has to be
> wrong. There is no way Garmin would have you clear those w/o a way to
> save and reinstall these settings. As part of the G900X purchase
> included is a Certified G900X technician to calibrate and approve the
> install at your location. As I was one of the first Tim and another tech
> spent 2 days getting my system up and running and had to come back one
> more time as they didn't have a tool to test some avionics required.
> That is a 3 day out of town visit to approve the system and now they
> want you to wipe out all the settings for a simple system upgrade.
> Now granted the System Upgrades are fantastic as they keep adding
> features like CHT/EGT data logging, moving items around based on user
> suggestions etc... but no way can I wipe out the calibrations. There
> must be some mistake but I am still waiting for an answer before I wipe
> out all those settings. Did I mention I am still waiting?
>
> As a user interface systems designer all these processes sure seem
> unfriendly compared to how they could have been designed with what
> amounts to a system like we have on some of our smart phones but
> NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO (picture John Belushi) this is more DOS like for some
> unthinkable reason. Game of Pong anyone?
>
> Since this issue is not resolved I am reserving judgment on the
> data/calibrations loss problem till I have final word but as you can
> tell from my experience so far simple answers are not readily available.
>
>
> My one BIG piece of security is that this is a Garmin product and I am
> sure they will be around vs. spending a bucket full of $ and having it
> go all OP on me. You know me.... Mr. Glass Half Full...
>
> One more thing. I know Tim has found a way to keep his Chelton up to
> date for a fraction of what the Garmin/Jeppersen people are spending.
> Including purchasing a lifetime deal on some updates that is impossible
> to beat.
>
> I have more to say but I am heading to the airport for a night flight
> back to SBP.
>
> Robin
>
>
> -----Original Message -----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> karolamy@roadrunner.com
> Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 3:41 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV10-List: G-900 fees, dues, subscriptions
>
>
> Did my BFR this week in the 6A and spent some ground time with a G1000
> system, thus renewing my enthusiasm for installing a G 900 in the 10. I
>
> know as a group we are fortunate to now have several 900 drivers out
> there -
> Robin, Gary, and more! For those of us still contemplating panel
> choices
> would you guys please let us know what the fees ( costs in
> subscriptions,
> XM, etc) are in keeping this 900 going and up to date. Also, what is
> the
> mininum cost one may need to look forword to in VFR vrs IFR. Details
> would
> sure be helpful like: "Charts and plates are $XXX, XM weather is $XXX,
>
> traffic is $XXX, Other is $XXX - all per month. My annual fees are
> about
> $XXX". Do you have NAV-WRX etc?
> Appreciate any input from you guys! Thanks so much.
>
> Rich
> RV-6A 1000 hours
> RV-10 Finishing kit - gear & wheel fairings
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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One clarification on the updates that Robin is referring to that
I do for the Chelton... I pay about $500/yr I think for
the updates for my GNS-480 and my Chelton systems combined.
This is NavData, and obstructions. From time to time I guess
they have Terrain updates but as terrain rarely changes, I've
never actually had one. I don't have smart taxi, or charts on
the system. The lifetime deal that he talked about was actually
a one-time promo that Voyager ran for the first 100 customers
to reply to an email offer.....a lifetime of EFB chart
subscription for $600. So, for charts, I use Voyager, which
has Geo-referenced WAC/TAC/SECTIONAL/IFR(low and high) charts
and geo-referenced approach plates, all integrated to GPS to
plot your position...and I use it on an older LE1600 with a
SSD. For me, that works perfectly for what I need for approaches.
The chelton contains most of the info I need, but usually you
still have to look up the minimums for the approach, so
after a quick look at the plate, I can usually just fly it
without the tablet if I choose to. In fact, now that I've
grown attached at the hip to my iphone with Foreflight, I
lately have just been looking at the approach plate on that,
for all of my practice...saving the tablet for those real
IFR times. The Voyager deal was a 1-time thing, so for most
people you'll have an annual subscription just like I used
to for a couple years....but for all the charts you get,
there's not any more effective way to carry all the
charts and have all that function. Voyager even has HITS.
They have a new promo going too, where you can buy a whole
pre-loaded tablet for something like $1000 that comes with
the software and everything, and a 3 month sub. It looks to
be a great way to start it. The only caveat is, no matter
what you do for a PC in the plane, definitely do it with
a SSD hard drive. Far superior for what we do.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
Robin Marks wrote:
>
> Rich,
> I am just going through the update process / potential
> nightmare. I can't say enough good things about how the GH900X performs
> especially with the SVT (synthetic terrain), TIS Traffic (where
> available) and XM WX (plus Audio).
> First the Fees. If you want to be completely up to date all the
> time here are the fees. I didn't write down the individual fees as the
> annual fees are 2-3 times the price for 10-13 times the data. Data is
> provided by two (2) different companies through Three (3) different
> delivery systems (of course).
>
> DataBase Costs:
>
> Jeppesen 800-553-7750/303-799-9090
> Airport/Nav/Freq/Waypoint Data etc = $410.00 full US (annual) (partial
> US is about $300)
>
> Garmin Data (annual):
> Safe Taxi $195
> Obstacles $195
> Flight Charts $395
> ~$800.00 Total
>
> Terrain $150 Occasional Random Updates ~1.5-2 years
>
> Assuming random & occasional Terrain updates the total annual DB update
> is $410 + $800 = $1,210.00/year. Depending on the type of flying you do
> you may be able to save by postponing Safe Taxi which is a tremendous
> feature but I am unsure how critical these small changes are over the
> years relative to the costs. PLEASE no flaming me, just a suggestion to
> save a few $ for some that have regular commutes.
>
> Obviously the two different companies are Jeppesen & Garmin and the
> Download process is simple from Jeppesen and simple for Garmin but from
> two different places "MyGarmin.com" for technical manuals, System
> Updates etc... and Fly.Garmin.com for purchasing & downloading
> Taxi/Obstacles/Charts.
>
> Unfortunately there are some issues I am having with Garmin that border
> on disturbing. The knowledgeable technical support is near non-existent.
> When you call Garmin they answer with minimal hold times. GREAT! You
> explain your issues completely and then they tell you they can't answer
> your question and transfer you to a Field Service Representative that
> SHOULD be versed in the G900X. You explain one more time your issue and
> they hem and haw and tell you that you should really speak with the
> G900X expert Tim. They transfer you to Tim whom I suspect it the most
> overworked person at Garmin and with any luck he will answer your
> questions but he is rarely available on the phone and will usually email
> you back. Now Tim is excellent, knowledgeable and very friendly but he
> seems to be the only person qualified to help. Let me give you a recent
> example of some frustrating Garmin processes.
>
> Initially my Garmin would not speak with my ($10,000) Sorcerer AP for
> flying a heading. You could set & adjust the heading on the AP and it
> would fly but not set or change it on the G900X and have it speak to the
> AP to fly that heading. I spoke with Tim via email and after some
> research we discovered that a recent System Software version addressed
> the issue and all I had to do was upgrade the System Software (here
> after SS = System Software) I had 006-00718-04 and needed to upgrade to
> 006-00718-05. Problem solved... Right... Well not exactly. How the
> %(*&^@$! do you update the SS? Obviously you look in the 500 page Pilots
> Guide. Fortunately it's in PDF form so after reading it front to back
> again and looking for the procedure I contacted Tim who told me I would
> find the procedure in the Installation Manual. Cool... All relevant
> documents are housed at MyGarmin.com so I downloaded the Installation
> Manual (hereafter IM) and read all 500 pages with not a word on
> installing the SS. Geezzzz. I called Tim again and he emailed me that
> the instructions were in section 15.1.2. Ohhhh that explains it, my IM
> ends at 14.something.something. At this point I don't really feel I need
> to control the Heading from the Heading knob on the Garmin. But I press
> on. I ask Tim why I don't automatically have the latest IM in MyGarmin
> as that is the place Garmin automatically updates all owners documents
> so everyone is current. Apparently they have a few glitches on the auto
> document population process. How much is this G900X again? I get the
> latest IM and go straight to section 15.1.2 and start reading the SS
> install process. The actual loading of the SS SEEMS pretty straight
> forward with the exception of the 3rd paragraph where you are instructed
> to clear all User Settings. Sounds innocent enough, User Settings
> (hereafter U-S). The U-S are all your saved flight plans, all your
> customized PFD/MFD settings and all your calibrations. WHAT? All your
> calibrations??? That includes fuel, trim, flap etc... That has to be
> wrong. There is no way Garmin would have you clear those w/o a way to
> save and reinstall these settings. As part of the G900X purchase
> included is a Certified G900X technician to calibrate and approve the
> install at your location. As I was one of the first Tim and another tech
> spent 2 days getting my system up and running and had to come back one
> more time as they didn't have a tool to test some avionics required.
> That is a 3 day out of town visit to approve the system and now they
> want you to wipe out all the settings for a simple system upgrade.
> Now granted the System Upgrades are fantastic as they keep adding
> features like CHT/EGT data logging, moving items around based on user
> suggestions etc... but no way can I wipe out the calibrations. There
> must be some mistake but I am still waiting for an answer before I wipe
> out all those settings. Did I mention I am still waiting?
>
> As a user interface systems designer all these processes sure seem
> unfriendly compared to how they could have been designed with what
> amounts to a system like we have on some of our smart phones but
> NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO (picture John Belushi) this is more DOS like for some
> unthinkable reason. Game of Pong anyone?
>
> Since this issue is not resolved I am reserving judgment on the
> data/calibrations loss problem till I have final word but as you can
> tell from my experience so far simple answers are not readily available.
>
>
> My one BIG piece of security is that this is a Garmin product and I am
> sure they will be around vs. spending a bucket full of $ and having it
> go all OP on me. You know me.... Mr. Glass Half Full...
>
> One more thing. I know Tim has found a way to keep his Chelton up to
> date for a fraction of what the Garmin/Jeppersen people are spending.
> Including purchasing a lifetime deal on some updates that is impossible
> to beat.
>
> I have more to say but I am heading to the airport for a night flight
> back to SBP.
>
> Robin
>
>
> -----Original Message -----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> karolamy@roadrunner.com
> Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 3:41 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV10-List: G-900 fees, dues, subscriptions
>
>
> Did my BFR this week in the 6A and spent some ground time with a G1000
> system, thus renewing my enthusiasm for installing a G 900 in the 10. I
>
> know as a group we are fortunate to now have several 900 drivers out
> there -
> Robin, Gary, and more! For those of us still contemplating panel
> choices
> would you guys please let us know what the fees ( costs in
> subscriptions,
> XM, etc) are in keeping this 900 going and up to date. Also, what is
> the
> mininum cost one may need to look forword to in VFR vrs IFR. Details
> would
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> $XXX". Do you have NAV-WRX etc?
> Appreciate any input from you guys! Thanks so much.
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> Rich
> RV-6A 1000 hours
> RV-10 Finishing kit - gear & wheel fairings
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If you take off with the flaps in reflex and you have a problem that makes
you need to go slow as in engine failure=2C you will tip stall your wing in
stead of allowing the inner portion of the wing to stall first. This would
not be a good thing. At least with sailplane design and other aircraft=2C
tip stalling the wing is a bad thing.
JOhn G
From: bob.condrey@baesystems.com
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Flap positioning system
During transition training Alex D. demonstrated that it actually takes abou
t 200-300 feet more roll on takeoff if in reflex instead of 0.
Bob
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@m
atronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick Sked
Sent: Friday=2C September 25=2C 2009 2:02 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Flap positioning system
If I did it again I think I would rather have more control over exactly how
much down flap I could use past zero. At times full is too much and 1/2 is
not enough but I'm just being picky I suppose. I do like the zero setting
for take off vs. the reflex or -3 degree setting. I've found the difference
being at zero the aircraft just flies off without much back pressure at al
l with an overall increase in climb performance. In the reflex position you
need a bit more pressure to rotate and take off.....that extra one inch of
pull is wearing me out! The system works great though.
Rick Sked
N246RS
Flying naked
Painting the pants and fairings
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Condrey (US SSA)" <bob.condrey@baesystems.com>
Sent: Friday=2C September 25=2C 2009 11:42:21 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacif
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Subject: RE: RV10-List: Flap positioning system
That is exactly what you get ' reflex=2C 0=2C =BD and full.
Bob
N442PM
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@m
atronics.com] On Behalf Of Kelly McMullen
Sent: Friday=2C September 25=2C 2009 1:39 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Flap positioning system
For those who have the flap pre-select system: I am at stage to decide whet
her I want this system or not. My question is whether it can be adjusted to
select reflex=2C trail=2C 1/2 and full flaps? Or can you only get 10=2C 20
=2C 30 degrees?
Kelly
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