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1. 06:15 AM - Re: Re: Fuel Flow Transducer Move (Patrick Thyssen)
2. 07:04 AM - Re: G-900 fees, dues, subscriptions (zackrv8)
3. 08:44 AM - Re: Re: Fuel Flow Transducer Move (Kelly McMullen)
4. 09:55 AM - Re: Re: Fuel Flow Transducer Move (Patrick Thyssen)
5. 10:44 AM - Re: Re: Fuel Flow Transducer Move (Patrick Thyssen)
6. 11:01 AM - new item for the rv-10 back seats (Ben Westfall)
7. 11:13 AM - Re: Re: Fuel Flow Transducer Move (William Curtis)
8. 11:13 AM - Re: Re: G-900 fees, dues, subscriptions (Robin Marks)
9. 12:02 PM - Re: new item for the rv-10 back seats (AirMike)
10. 12:10 PM - Re: Attaching QB Fuse to Tailcone (AirMike)
11. 12:21 PM - Re: G-900 fees, dues, subscriptions (zackrv8)
12. 12:55 PM - Re: Re: Fuel Flow Transducer Move (Kelly McMullen)
13. 01:25 PM - Re: new item for the rv-10 back seats (Jeff Carpenter)
14. 02:01 PM - Re: new item for the rv-10 back seats (Jesse Saint)
15. 04:27 PM - Re: new item for the rv-10 back seats (woxofswa)
16. 04:43 PM - Re: Re: Attaching QB Fuse to Tailcone (Perry, Phil)
17. 05:18 PM - Re: Re: Attaching QB Fuse to Tailcone (Bob Leffler)
18. 06:19 PM - James plenum question (Lenny Iszak)
19. 06:25 PM - Re: Re: Attaching QB Fuse to Tailcone (Perry, Phil)
20. 06:58 PM - Re: new item for the rv-10 back seats (Les Kearney)
21. 06:58 PM - Re: new item for the rv-10 back seats (Perry, Phil)
22. 06:59 PM - Re: James plenum question (Ralph E. Capen)
23. 07:30 PM - Re: FireWall Engine Side Paint? (nukeflyboy)
24. 07:32 PM - Re: new item for the rv-10 back seats (nukeflyboy)
25. 07:36 PM - Re: Window trim - inside (nukeflyboy)
26. 07:46 PM - Re: James plenum question (Robin Marks)
27. 07:54 PM - Re: Re: Attaching QB Fuse to Tailcone (Kelly McMullen)
28. 08:23 PM - Copperstate RV10 nest (woxofswa)
29. 08:31 PM - Re: Copperstate RV10 nest (Kelly McMullen)
30. 09:43 PM - Re: Copperstate RV10 nest (William Souza)
31. 10:50 PM - Re: new item for the rv-10 back seats (Ben Westfall)
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Flow Transducer Move |
Tim,
-Yes but it at different rates. you have the factor that the fluid is mov
ing out to the injector giving relief ever so slightly as the vapor hits a
open area bigger then it was in, allowing it to expand then having to compr
ess again- as per fluid takes less time to compress.
-So my conclusion is , get air out of the lines. Everyone who has fluxuat
ion in their pressure gauges should check for air in their lines to their t
ransducers.
Patrick Thyssen
--- On Sat, 9/26/09, Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com> wrote:
From: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Fuel Flow Transducer Move
Sure, but when the air is compressing and expanding, the pressure of the li
quid is changing too....it's not staying steady. -So if the gas expands a
nd causes a pressure rise, the fuel pressure will go up too. -The vapor m
ay cause the gauge to move up and down but the fuel pressure is changing th
en too.Tim
On Sep 26, 2009, at 9:29 PM, Patrick Thyssen <jump2@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Tim,
-Thats not exactly right. when you have fuel or liquid mix with vapor or
air,pass by a volume of air you will see a change in pressure due to the co
mpression of the air. That's why you see fluxuation in pressure gauges.
-If you worked in the oil and gas business you see this all the time in p
ipelines. If you look at a trouble shooting manual for this, one of the rea
sons you see fluxuation in gauges due to vapor in the line and one of the f
irst thing it tells you is to get the air out.
-So what I was getting at is the gas(vapor) is getting into the line goin
g to the gauge so as other vapor mixed with fuel passes by your gauge line
it changes press due to compression of the vapor.
-
-
Patrick Thyssen
still learning
--- On Thu, 9/24/09, Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>=0A wrote:
From: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Fuel Flow Transducer Move
Pressure is pressure, it's just the compressibility that is
different.- If the vapor were at 50psi, it would push
down on the fuel at 50psi, and up on the fuel pressure
sender at 50psi, and the fuel would transfer that pressure
to the engine at 50psi.- Doesn't matter if it's vapor, or
what is in the line...it's just a diaphragm that is
displaying pressure.- Think of a manometer..it's using
air and liquid to show air pressure, but inside the
manometer is=0A both air and liquid.- It's all the same when
it's pushing out against something else.- If you have a
pot of steaming water and you plug it, the steam will
build up pressure, and if you puncture the bottom of
the pot, the water will come out at whatever pressure
the steam is at.
So no, it shouldn't have an effect on the pressure reading.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
Patrick Thyssen wrote:
> One thing I have just thought about and correct me if I'm wrong. From the
fuel pump to the fuel pressure sending unit is up hill or above the fuel p
ump. This being said if you get air in your hoses going to your pressure tr
ansducer from- being hot [vapor] then you could have a problem as to what
it is reporting.
> By having a compression of air instead of solid liquid.
>- Lets hear from the engineers.
>
> Patrick Thyssen
> Engine pickled again!!! for new instrument=0A panel
>- Oh how I love OP
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>- ---From: McGann, Ron <Ron.McGann@thalesgroup.com.au>
>- ---Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Fuel Flow Transducer Move
>- ---To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>- ---Date: Thursday, September 24, 2009, 5:28 PM
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>- ---<Ron.McGann@thalesgroup.com.au>
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>- ---Only 40 hours but same experience as Marcus.- Only irreglua
rity comes
>- ---when the boost pump is engaged but the totaliser function alw
ays appears
>- ---to reflect remaining fuel to within a gallon or so.
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>- ---Ron McGann
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>- ---I have about 430 hours with the transducer in the plans locat
ion.-=0A No
>- ---real
>- ---issues although I do notice a slight FF drop when I turn the
boost pump
>- ---off.
>- ---So far it has been very accurate and consistent.
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>- ---Marcus
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>- ---As an informal survey for the rest of us, it would be interes
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>- ---feedback from those that have left it where Van's originally
suggested.
>- ---Are
>- ---any of you having any trouble with the transducer in that loc
ation?
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>- ---How many people have moved the unit because of inaccurate rea
dings or
>- ---other
>- ---problems?
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| Subject: | Re: G-900 fees, dues, subscriptions |
[ The knowledgeable technical support is near non-existent.
When you call Garmin they answer with minimal hold times.
I have been flying my RV10 now for a year with the 900X/Sorcerer installed.
Did you buy your 900X from Stein? They have very knowledgeable 900X support.
In particular, they have a technician there that knows the 900X inside and out.
Initially my Garmin would not speak with my ($10,000) Sorcerer AP for
flying a heading.
Is the Heading bug working now? The Heading bug works with the 05 software update
AND the additional D-sub connector wires that must be added.
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Flow Transducer Move |
Totally unnecessary. You aren't going to detect the fraction of a second
difference. The only place air makes a difference is in the lines to/from
the fuel servo and injectors. Unless you have a leak, will only be there
during startup/taxi from a hot start. The fluctuations at the transducer
have nothing to do with whether the line to the spyder has air or liquid.
You are confusing pulsation in the fuel FLOW gauge with a pressure pulsation
in the fuel pressure, which is very unlikely. Flow pulsations have to do
with the fuel pump and placement of the transducer and virtually nothing to
do with pressure.
On Sun, Sep 27, 2009 at 9:02 AM, Patrick Thyssen <jump2@sbcglobal.net>wrote:
> Tim,
> Yes but it at different rates. you have the factor that the fluid is
> moving out to the injector giving relief ever so slightly as the vapor hits
> a open area bigger then it was in, allowing it to expand then having to
> compress again as per fluid takes less time to compress.
> So my conclusion is , get air out of the lines. Everyone who has
> fluxuation in their pressure gauges should check for air in their lines to
> their transducers.
>
> Patrick Thyssen
>
> --- On *Sat, 9/26/09, Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>* wrote:
>
>
> From: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Fuel Flow Transducer Move
> To: "rv10-list@matronics.com" <rv10-list@matronics.com>
> Date: Saturday, September 26, 2009, 10:09 PM
>
> Sure, but when the air is compressing and expanding, the pressure of the
> liquid is changing too....it's not staying steady. So if the gas expands
> and causes a pressure rise, the fuel pressure will go up too. The vapor may
> cause the gauge to move up and down but the fuel pressure is changing then
> too.
> Tim
>
>
> On Sep 26, 2009, at 9:29 PM, Patrick Thyssen <jump2@sbcglobal.net<http://mc/compose?to=jump2@sbcglobal.net>>
> wrote:
>
> Tim,
> Thats not exactly right. when you have fuel or liquid mix with vapor or
> air,pass by a volume of air you will see a change in pressure due to the
> compression of the air. That's why you see fluxuation in pressure gauges.
> If you worked in the oil and gas business you see this all the time in
> pipelines. If you look at a trouble shooting manual for this, one of the
> reasons you see fluxuation in gauges due to vapor in the line and one of the
> first thing it tells you is to get the air out.
> So what I was getting at is the gas(vapor) is getting into the line going
> to the gauge so as other vapor mixed with fuel passes by your gauge line it
> changes press due to compression of the vapor.
>
>
> Patrick Thyssen
> still learning
>
>
> --- On *Thu, 9/24/09, Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com<http://mc/compose?to=Tim@MyRV10.com>
> >* wrote:
>
>
> From: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com <http://mc/compose?to=Tim@MyRV10.com>>
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Fuel Flow Transducer Move
> To: <http://mc/compose?to=rv10-list@matronics.com>rv10-list@matronics.com<http://mc/compose?to=rv10-list@matronics.com>
> Date: Thursday, September 24, 2009, 11:41 PM
>
> >
>
> Pressure is pressure, it's just the compressibility that is
> different. If the vapor were at 50psi, it would push
> down on the fuel at 50psi, and up on the fuel pressure
> sender at 50psi, and the fuel would transfer that pressure
> to the engine at 50psi. Doesn't matter if it's vapor, or
> what is in the line...it's just a diaphragm that is
> displaying pressure. Think of a manometer..it's using
> air and liquid to show air pressure, but inside the
> manometer is both air and liquid. It's all the same when
> it's pushing out against something else. If you have a
> pot of steaming water and you plug it, the steam will
> build up pressure, and if you puncture the bottom of
> the pot, the water will come out at whatever pressure
> the steam is at.
>
> So no, it shouldn't have an effect on the pressure reading.
>
> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
>
>
> Patrick Thyssen wrote:
> > One thing I have just thought about and correct me if I'm wrong. From the
> fuel pump to the fuel pressure sending unit is up hill or above the fuel
> pump. This being said if you get air in your hoses going to your pressure
> transducer from being hot [vapor] then you could have a problem as to what
> it is reporting.
> > By having a compression of air instead of solid liquid.
> > Lets hear from the engineers.
> >
> > Patrick Thyssen
> > Engine pickled again!!! for new instrument panel
> > Oh how I love OP
> >
> > --- On *Thu, 9/24/09, McGann, Ron /<Ron.McGann@thalesgroup.com.au<http://mc/compose?to=Ron.McGann@thalesgroup.com.au>>/*
> wrote:
> >
> >
> > From: McGann, Ron <Ron.McGann@thalesgroup.com.au<http://mc/compose?to=Ron.McGann@thalesgroup.com.au>
> >
> > Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Fuel Flow Transducer Move
> > To: rv10-list@matronics.com<http://mc/compose?to=rv10-list@matronics.com>
> > Date: Thursday, September 24, 2009, 5:28 PM
> >
> > <Ron.McGann@thalesgroup.com.au<http://mc/compose?to=Ron.McGann@thalesgroup.com.au>
> >
> >
> > Only 40 hours but same experience as Marcus. Only irregluarity comes
> > when the boost pump is engaged but the totaliser function always
> appears
> > to reflect remaining fuel to within a gallon or so.
> >
> > Ron McGann
> >
> > Head of Engineering
> > Security Solutions & Services
> > Aerospace
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> > Sent: Friday, 25 September 2009 2:45 AM
> > To: rv10-list@matronics.com<http://mc/compose?to=rv10-list@matronics.com>
> > Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Fuel Flow Transducer Move
> >
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> >
> > I have about 430 hours with the transducer in the plans location. No
> > real
> > issues although I do notice a slight FF drop when I turn the boost
> pump
> > off.
> > So far it has been very accurate and consistent.
> >
> > Marcus
> > 40286
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com<http://mc/compose?to=owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com>
> > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com<http://mc/compose?to=owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com>]
> On Behalf Of Nick Leonard
> > Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 12:05 PM
> > To: rv10-list@matronics.com<http://mc/compose?to=rv10-list@matronics.com>
> > Subject: RV10-List: Re: Fuel Flow Transducer Move
> >
> >
> >
> > As an informal survey for the rest of us, it would be interesting to
> get
> > feedback from those that have left it where Van's originally
> suggested.
> > Are
> > any of you having any trouble with the transducer in that location?
> >
> > How many people have moved the unit because of inaccurate readings or
> > other
> > problems?
> >
> > --------
> > Nick Leonard
> > RV-10 (40015) Finish
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Read this topic online here:
> >
> > <http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=264706#264706>
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Flow Transducer Move |
This is my last Question, Where is your fuel pressure coming off. Is it the
spider or the fuel pump? I believe most are coming from their fuel pump on
the rv10.
Patrick Thyssen
--- On Sun, 9/27/09, Kelly McMullen <apilot2@gmail.com> wrote:
From: Kelly McMullen <apilot2@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Fuel Flow Transducer Move
Totally unnecessary. You aren't going to detect the fraction of a second di
fference. The only place air makes a difference is in the lines to/from the
fuel servo and injectors. Unless you have a leak, will only be there durin
g startup/taxi from a hot start. The fluctuations at the transducer have no
thing to do with whether the line to the spyder has air or liquid. You are
confusing pulsation in the fuel FLOW gauge with a pressure pulsation in the
fuel pressure, which is very unlikely. Flow pulsations have to do with the
fuel pump and placement of the transducer and virtually nothing to do with
pressure.
=0A
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e:
=0A=0ATim,
-Yes but it at different rates. you have the factor that the fluid is mov
ing out to the injector giving relief ever so slightly as the vapor hits a
open area bigger then it was in, allowing it to expand then having to compr
ess again- as per fluid takes less time to compress.
=0A-So my conclusion is , get air out of the lines. Everyone who has flux
uation in their pressure gauges should check for air in their lines to thei
r transducers.
Patrick Thyssen
--- On Sat, 9/26/09, Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com> wrote:
=0A
From: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Fuel Flow Transducer Move
=0ATo: "rv10-list@matronics.com" <rv10-list@matronics.com>
Sure, but when the air is compressing and expanding, the pressure of the li
quid is changing too....it's not staying steady. -So if the gas expands a
nd causes a pressure rise, the fuel pressure will go up too. -The vapor m
ay cause the gauge to move up and down but the fuel pressure is changing th
en too.=0ATim
On Sep 26, 2009, at 9:29 PM, Patrick Thyssen <jump2@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
=0A=0ATim,
-Thats not=0A exactly right. when you have fuel or liquid mix with vapor
or air,pass by a volume of air you will see a change in pressure due to the
compression of the air. That's why you see fluxuation in pressure gauges.
-If you worked in the oil and gas business you see this all the time in p
ipelines. If you look at a trouble shooting manual for this, one of the rea
sons you see fluxuation in gauges due to vapor in the line and one of the f
irst thing it tells you is to get the air out.
=0A-So what I was getting at is the gas(vapor) is getting into the line g
oing to the gauge so as other vapor mixed with fuel passes by your gauge li
ne it changes press due to compression of the vapor.
-
-
Patrick Thyssen
=0Astill learning
--- On Thu, 9/24/09, Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>=0A wrote:
From: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
=0ASubject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Fuel Flow Transducer Move
=0ADate: Thursday, September 24, 2009, 11:41 PM
=0A
Pressure is pressure, it's just the compressibility that is
different.- If the=0A vapor were at 50psi, it would push
down on the fuel at 50psi, and up on the fuel pressure
sender at 50psi, and the fuel would transfer that pressure
to the engine at 50psi.- Doesn't matter if it's vapor, or
=0Awhat is in the line...it's just a diaphragm that is
displaying pressure.- Think of a manometer..it's using
air and liquid to show air pressure, but inside the
manometer is=0A both air and liquid.- It's all the same when
it's pushing out against something else.- If you have a
pot of steaming water and you plug it, the steam will
build up pressure, and if you puncture the bottom of
=0Athe pot, the water will come out at whatever pressure
the steam is at.
So no, it shouldn't have an effect on the pressure reading.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
Patrick Thyssen wrote:
> One thing I have just thought about and correct me if I'm wrong. From the
fuel pump to the fuel pressure sending unit is up hill or above the fuel p
ump. This being said if you get air in your hoses going to your pressure tr
ansducer from- being hot [vapor] then you could have a problem as to what
it is reporting.
=0A> By having a compression of air instead of solid liquid.
>- Lets hear from the engineers.
>
> Patrick Thyssen
> Engine pickled again!!! for new instrument=0A panel
>- Oh how I love OP
>
> --- On *Thu, 9/24/09, McGann, Ron /<Ron.McGann@thalesgroup.com.au>/* wrot
e:
=0A>
>
>- ---From: McGann, Ron <Ron.McGann@thalesgroup.com.au>
>- ---Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Fuel Flow Transducer Move
=0A>- ---To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>- ---Date: Thursday, September 24, 2009, 5:28 PM
>
>- ---<Ron.McGann@thalesgroup.com.au>
=0A>
>- ---Only 40 hours but same experience as Marcus.- Only irreglua
rity comes
>- ---when the boost pump is engaged but the totaliser function alw
ays appears
>- ---to reflect remaining fuel to within a gallon or so.
=0A>
>- ---Ron McGann
>
>- ---Head of Engineering
>- ---Security Solutions & Services
>- ---Aerospace
>
>- ---Tel: +61 2 9562 3530 | Mob: +61 (0) 466 655 393 | Fax: +61 2
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=0A>
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=0A>- ---Sent: Friday, 25 September 2009 2:45 AM
>- ---To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>- ---Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Fuel Flow Transducer Move
=0A>
erizon.net>
>
>- ---I have about 430 hours with the transducer in the plans locat
ion.-=0A No
>- ---real
>- ---issues although I do notice a slight FF drop when I turn the
boost pump
>- ---off.
>- ---So far it has been very accurate and consistent.
>
>- ---Marcus
>- ---40286
=0A>
>- --------Original Message-----
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>
=0A>- ---As an informal survey for the rest of us, it would be inte
resting to get
>- ---feedback from those that have left it where Van's originally
suggested.
>- ---Are
>- ---any of you having any trouble with the transducer in that loc
ation?
=0A>=0A
>- ---How many people have moved the unit because of inaccurate rea
dings or
>- ---other
>- ---problems?
>
>-=0A -----------
>- ---Nick Leonard
>- ---RV-10 (40015) Finish
>
>
>
>
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>
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Flow Transducer Move |
-Correction, I'm not talking about your fuel flow transducer I'm talking
about fuel pressure transducer. The line from pump runs uphill and vapor do
es not travel down hill in a closed end line.
Patrick Thyssen
--- On Sun, 9/27/09, Patrick Thyssen <jump2@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
From: Patrick Thyssen <jump2@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Fuel Flow Transducer Move
This is my last Question, Where is your fuel pressure coming off. Is it the
spider or the fuel pump? I believe most are coming from their fuel pump on
the rv10.
Patrick Thyssen
--- On Sun, 9/27/09, Kelly McMullen <apilot2@gmail.com> wrote:
From: Kelly McMullen <apilot2@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Fuel Flow Transducer Move
Totally unnecessary. You aren't going to detect the fraction of a second di
fference. The only place air makes a difference is in the lines to/from the
fuel servo and injectors. Unless you have a leak, will only be there durin
g startup/taxi from a hot start. The fluctuations at the=0A transducer have
nothing to do with whether the line to the spyder has air or liquid. You a
re confusing pulsation in the fuel FLOW gauge with a pressure pulsation in
the fuel pressure, which is very unlikely. Flow pulsations have to do with
the fuel pump and placement of the transducer and virtually nothing to do w
ith pressure.
=0A
On Sun, Sep 27, 2009 at 9:02 AM, Patrick Thyssen <jump2@sbcglobal.net> wrot
e:
=0A=0ATim,
-Yes but it at different rates. you have the factor that the fluid is mov
ing out to the injector giving relief ever so slightly as the vapor hits a
open area bigger then it was in, allowing it to expand then having to compr
ess again- as per fluid takes less time to compress.
=0A-So my conclusion is , get air out of the lines. Everyone who has flux
uation in their pressure gauges should check for air in their lines to thei
r transducers.
Patrick Thyssen
--- On Sat, 9/26/09, Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com> wrote:
=0A
From: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Fuel Flow Transducer Move
=0ATo: "rv10-list@matronics.com" <rv10-list@matronics.com>
Sure, but when the air is compressing and expanding, the pressure of the li
quid is changing too....it's not staying steady. -So if the gas expands a
nd causes a pressure rise, the fuel pressure will go up too. -The vapor m
ay cause the gauge to move up and down but the fuel pressure is changing th
en too.=0ATim
On Sep 26, 2009, at 9:29 PM, Patrick Thyssen <jump2@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
=0A=0ATim,
-Thats not=0A exactly right. when you have fuel or liquid mix with vapor
or air,pass by a volume of air you will see a change in pressure due to the
compression of the air. That's why you see fluxuation in pressure gauges.
-If you worked in the oil and gas business you see this all the time in p
ipelines. If you look at a trouble shooting manual for this, one of the rea
sons you see fluxuation in gauges due to vapor in the line and one of the f
irst thing it tells you is to get the air out.
=0A-So what I was getting at is the gas(vapor) is getting into the line g
oing to the gauge so as other vapor mixed with fuel passes by your gauge li
ne it changes press due to compression of the vapor.
-
-
Patrick Thyssen
=0Astill learning
--- On Thu, 9/24/09, Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>=0A wrote:
From: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
=0ASubject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Fuel Flow Transducer Move
=0ADate: Thursday, September 24, 2009, 11:41 PM
=0A
Pressure is pressure, it's just the compressibility that is
different.- If the=0A vapor were at 50psi, it would push
down on the fuel at 50psi, and up on the fuel pressure
sender at 50psi, and the fuel would transfer that pressure
to the engine at 50psi.- Doesn't matter if it's vapor, or
=0Awhat is in the line...it's just a diaphragm that is
displaying pressure.- Think of a manometer..it's using
air and liquid to show air pressure, but inside the
manometer is=0A both air and liquid.- It's all the same when
it's pushing out against something else.- If you have a
pot of steaming water and you plug it, the steam will
build up pressure, and if you puncture the bottom of
=0Athe pot, the water will come out at whatever pressure
the steam is at.
So no, it shouldn't have an effect on the pressure reading.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
Patrick Thyssen wrote:
> One thing I have just thought about and correct me if I'm wrong. From the
fuel pump to the fuel pressure sending unit is up hill or above the fuel p
ump. This being said if you get air in your hoses going to your pressure tr
ansducer from- being hot [vapor] then you could have a problem as to what
it is reporting.
=0A> By having a compression of air instead of solid liquid.
>- Lets hear from the engineers.
>
> Patrick Thyssen
> Engine pickled again!!! for new instrument=0A panel
>- Oh how I love OP
>
> --- On *Thu, 9/24/09, McGann, Ron /<Ron.McGann@thalesgroup.com.au>/* wrot
e:
=0A>
>
>- ---From: McGann, Ron <Ron.McGann@thalesgroup.com.au>
>- ---Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Fuel Flow Transducer Move
=0A>- ---To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>- ---Date: Thursday, September 24, 2009, 5:28 PM
>
>- ---<Ron.McGann@thalesgroup.com.au>
=0A>
>- ---Only 40 hours but same experience as Marcus.- Only irreglua
rity comes
>- ---when the boost pump is engaged but the totaliser function alw
ays appears
>- ---to reflect remaining fuel to within a gallon or so.
=0A>
>- ---Ron McGann
>
>- ---Head of Engineering
>- ---Security Solutions & Services
>- ---Aerospace
>
>- ---Tel: +61 2 9562 3530 | Mob: +61 (0) 466 655 393 | Fax: +61 2
9562 2100
=0A>
>-=0A --------Original Message-----
>- ---From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>- ---[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ma
rcus Cooper
=0A>- ---Sent: Friday, 25 September 2009 2:45 AM
>- ---To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>- ---Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Fuel Flow Transducer Move
=0A>
erizon.net>
>
>- ---I have about 430 hours with the transducer in the plans locat
ion.-=0A No
>- ---real
>- ---issues although I do notice a slight FF drop when I turn the
boost pump
>- ---off.
>- ---So far it has been very accurate and consistent.
>
>- ---Marcus
>- ---40286
=0A>
>- --------Original Message-----
>- ---From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
=0A>- ---[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
Nick Leonard
>-=0A ---Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 12:05 PM
>- ---To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>- ---Subject: RV10-List: Re: Fuel Flow Transducer Move
=0A>
d.com>
>
=0A>- ---As an informal survey for the rest of us, it would be inte
resting to get
>- ---feedback from those that have left it where Van's originally
suggested.
>- ---Are
>- ---any of you having any trouble with the transducer in that loc
ation?
=0A>=0A
>- ---How many people have moved the unit because of inaccurate rea
dings or
>- ---other
>- ---problems?
>
>-=0A -----------
>- ---Nick Leonard
>- ---RV-10 (40015) Finish
>
>
>
>
>- ---Read this topic online here:
>
>- ---http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=264706#264706
=0A>
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Hey guys I thought I'd show you our newest "add-on" for the RV-10 :-). It
goes in the back seat and adds to the beauty of the plane. Good thing we're
building the 4 seater!
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Flow Transducer Move |
On the RV-10, the standard location for the fuel pressure indication is from
the output side of the engine driven pump. In other aircraft, such as my
C177RG, the fuel pressure indication is taken off the spider.
William
http://wcurtis.nerv10.com/
On Sun, Sep 27, 2009 at 12:50 PM, Patrick Thyssen <jump2@sbcglobal.net>wrote:
> This is my last Question, Where is your fuel pressure coming off. Is it
> the spider or the fuel pump? I believe most are coming from their fuel pump
> on the rv10.
> Patrick Thyssen
>
> --- On *Sun, 9/27/09, Kelly McMullen <apilot2@gmail.com>* wrote:
>
>
> From: Kelly McMullen <apilot2@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Fuel Flow Transducer Move
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Date: Sunday, September 27, 2009, 10:42 AM
>
> Totally unnecessary. You aren't going to detect the fraction of a second
> difference. The only place air makes a difference is in the lines to/from
> the fuel servo and injectors. Unless you have a leak, will only be there
> during startup/taxi from a hot start. The fluctuations at the transducer
> have nothing to do with whether the line to the spyder has air or liquid.
> You are confusing pulsation in the fuel FLOW gauge with a pressure pulsation
> in the fuel pressure, which is very unlikely. Flow pulsations have to do
> with the fuel pump and placement of the transducer and virtually nothing to
> do with pressure.
>
> On Sun, Sep 27, 2009 at 9:02 AM, Patrick Thyssen <jump2@sbcglobal.net<http://mc/compose?to=jump2@sbcglobal.net>
> > wrote:
>
>> Tim,
>> Yes but it at different rates. you have the factor that the fluid is
>> moving out to the injector giving relief ever so slightly as the vapor hits
>> a open area bigger then it was in, allowing it to expand then having to
>> compress again as per fluid takes less time to compress.
>> So my conclusion is , get air out of the lines. Everyone who has
>> fluxuation in their pressure gauges should check for air in their lines to
>> their transducers.
>>
>> Patrick Thyssen
>>
>> --- On *Sat, 9/26/09, Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>* wrote:
>>
>>
>> From: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Fuel Flow Transducer Move
>> To: "rv10-list@matronics.com<http://mc/compose?to=rv10-list@matronics.com>"
>> <rv10-list@matronics.com <http://mc/compose?to=rv10-list@matronics.com>>
>> Date: Saturday, September 26, 2009, 10:09 PM
>>
>> Sure, but when the air is compressing and expanding, the pressure of
>> the liquid is changing too....it's not staying steady. So if the gas
>> expands and causes a pressure rise, the fuel pressure will go up too. The
>> vapor may cause the gauge to move up and down but the fuel pressure is
>> changing then too.
>> Tim
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sep 26, 2009, at 9:29 PM, Patrick Thyssen <jump2@sbcglobal.net<http://mc/compose?to=jump2@sbcglobal.net>>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Tim,
>> Thats not exactly right. when you have fuel or liquid mix with vapor or
>> air,pass by a volume of air you will see a change in pressure due to the
>> compression of the air. That's why you see fluxuation in pressure gauges.
>> If you worked in the oil and gas business you see this all the time in
>> pipelines. If you look at a trouble shooting manual for this, one of the
>> reasons you see fluxuation in gauges due to vapor in the line and one of the
>> first thing it tells you is to get the air out.
>> So what I was getting at is the gas(vapor) is getting into the line going
>> to the gauge so as other vapor mixed with fuel passes by your gauge line it
>> changes press due to compression of the vapor.
>>
>>
>> Patrick Thyssen
>> still learning
>>
>>
>> --- On *Thu, 9/24/09, Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com<http://mc/compose?to=Tim@MyRV10.com>
>> >* wrote:
>>
>>
>> From: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com <http://mc/compose?to=Tim@MyRV10.com>>
>> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Fuel Flow Transducer Move
>> To: <http://mc/compose?to=rv10-list@matronics.com>rv10-list@matronics.com<http://mc/compose?to=rv10-list@matronics.com>
>> Date: Thursday, September 24, 2009, 11:41 PM
>>
>> >
>>
>> Pressure is pressure, it's just the compressibility that is
>> different. If the vapor were at 50psi, it would push
>> down on the fuel at 50psi, and up on the fuel pressure
>> sender at 50psi, and the fuel would transfer that pressure
>> to the engine at 50psi. Doesn't matter if it's vapor, or
>> what is in the line...it's just a diaphragm that is
>> displaying pressure. Think of a manometer..it's using
>> air and liquid to show air pressure, but inside the
>> manometer is both air and liquid. It's all the same when
>> it's pushing out against something else. If you have a
>> pot of steaming water and you plug it, the steam will
>> build up pressure, and if you puncture the bottom of
>> the pot, the water will come out at whatever pressure
>> the steam is at.
>>
>> So no, it shouldn't have an effect on the pressure reading.
>>
>> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
>>
>>
>>
>> Patrick Thyssen wrote:
>> > One thing I have just thought about and correct me if I'm wrong. From
>> the fuel pump to the fuel pressure sending unit is up hill or above the fuel
>> pump. This being said if you get air in your hoses going to your pressure
>> transducer from being hot [vapor] then you could have a problem as to what
>> it is reporting.
>> > By having a compression of air instead of solid liquid.
>> > Lets hear from the engineers.
>> >
>> > Patrick Thyssen
>> > Engine pickled again!!! for new instrument panel
>> > Oh how I love OP
>> >
>> > --- On *Thu, 9/24/09, McGann, Ron /<Ron.McGann@thalesgroup.com.au<http://mc/compose?to=Ron.McGann@thalesgroup.com.au>>/*
>> wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> > From: McGann, Ron <Ron.McGann@thalesgroup.com.au<http://mc/compose?to=Ron.McGann@thalesgroup.com.au>
>> >
>> > Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Fuel Flow Transducer Move
>> > To: rv10-list@matronics.com<http://mc/compose?to=rv10-list@matronics.com>
>> > Date: Thursday, September 24, 2009, 5:28 PM
>> >
>> > <Ron.McGann@thalesgroup.com.au<http://mc/compose?to=Ron.McGann@thalesgroup.com.au>
>> >
>> >
>> > Only 40 hours but same experience as Marcus. Only irregluarity
>> comes
>> > when the boost pump is engaged but the totaliser function always
>> appears
>> > to reflect remaining fuel to within a gallon or so.
>> >
>> > Ron McGann
>> >
>> > Head of Engineering
>> > Security Solutions & Services
>> > Aerospace
>> >
>> > Tel: +61 2 9562 3530 | Mob: +61 (0) 466 655 393 | Fax: +61 2 9562
>> 2100
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com<http://mc/compose?to=owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com>
>> > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com<http://mc/compose?to=owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com>]
>> On Behalf Of Marcus Cooper
>> > Sent: Friday, 25 September 2009 2:45 AM
>> > To: rv10-list@matronics.com<http://mc/compose?to=rv10-list@matronics.com>
>> > Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Fuel Flow Transducer Move
>> >
>> coop85@verizon.net <http://mc/compose?to=coop85@verizon.net>>
>> >
>> > I have about 430 hours with the transducer in the plans location.
>> No
>> > real
>> > issues although I do notice a slight FF drop when I turn the boost
>> pump
>> > off.
>> > So far it has been very accurate and consistent.
>> >
>> > Marcus
>> > 40286
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com<http://mc/compose?to=owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com>
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>> On Behalf Of Nick Leonard
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| Subject: | Re: G-900 fees, dues, subscriptions |
Mistake #1. No I did not buy from Stein. It may make sense for me to pay
an hourly phone rate to a technical expert on the subject. My issues are
common in regards to upgrade paths. This is something a knowledgeable
technician should know blindfolded.
Have you ever upgraded your system software? I assume you must have
since with the release of the new version due in Nov/Dec this will be 3
updates in 12 months (from what I can tell).
No my heading bug is not working because I am not up to _05 due to the
calibration loss issue. I hope to resolve this in the coming week and
perform the upgrade.
Of note the group I purchased my G900X and all the other avionics
suggested I take it over the a certified Garmin avionics shop to upgrade
the system software. After the well respected local avionics shop called
Garmin to confirm the process they came back to me with 4-5 hours labor
at $110/hour. I have read the procedure, it's not very difficult or time
consuming unless the whole calibration loss is thrown into the process?
AGAIN I must be missing something unstated in the manual as there is no
way anyone would design a procedure whereby you lose all this critical
data that cannot be stored and reinstalled.
Do you have SVT?
Robin
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of zackrv8
Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2009 7:02 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: G-900 fees, dues, subscriptions
[ The knowledgeable technical support is near non-existent.
When you call Garmin they answer with minimal hold times.
I have been flying my RV10 now for a year with the 900X/Sorcerer
installed.
Did you buy your 900X from Stein? They have very knowledgeable 900X
support. In particular, they have a technician there that knows the
900X inside and out.
Initially my Garmin would not speak with my ($10,000) Sorcerer AP for
flying a heading.
Is the Heading bug working now? The Heading bug works with the 05
software update AND the additional D-sub connector wires that must be
added.
Zack
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RV10 # 40512
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| Subject: | Re: new item for the rv-10 back seats |
Congratulations - no better compliment to life and the back seat
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| Subject: | Re: Attaching QB Fuse to Tailcone |
Check the manual on std aircraft construction and Van's instructions. The most
important thing is to maintain structural integrity. If I recall correctly your
holes should be no more than 1.5x the width of the hole from the edge. Like
the prior post said leave enuf room for the washers and nut
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| Subject: | Re: G-900 fees, dues, subscriptions |
Robin,
You need to upgrade to the 05 software because it cures many issues. To download
this software into your 900X takes about 1 hour. It's not difficult at all
as I have done it myself a few times.
No way should you have to recalibrate all of your settings...for sure the fuel
calibration. The fuel calibration is protected and takes a couple more button
pushes to cancel it. So, I don't know why or how you would have to cancel
your fuel calibrations.
When I have a problem with software or hardware issues (and I have had many!),
I first talk to Stein. Stein has a guy working for him named Christer. He
is a GENIUS with the 900X! If he can't resolve the issue (he usually does in
most cases), then he'll call Tim Larberg at Garmin.
Between the two of them, I get results.
One issue that stumped Christer and I was the GDL69. I wasn't getting good quality
stereo audio on the XM radio. We tried everything. Finally, somehow I
figured out it was a "slide switch" on my Bose headset.
Problem solved.
Yes, I have SVT. best thing since canned beer! I have flown many IFR (IMC) flights
with it and it's like looking out the window. I also love the audio warnings
it gives (you may not get audio until you upgrade to the 05 software).
Zack
robin1(at)mrmoisture.com wrote:
> Mistake #1. No I did not buy from Stein. It may make sense for me to pay
> an hourly phone rate to a technical expert on the subject. My issues are
> common in regards to upgrade paths. This is something a knowledgeable
> technician should know blindfolded.
>
> Have you ever upgraded your system software? I assume you must have
> since with the release of the new version due in Nov/Dec this will be 3
> updates in 12 months (from what I can tell).
>
> No my heading bug is not working because I am not up to _05 due to the
> calibration loss issue. I hope to resolve this in the coming week and
> perform the upgrade.
>
> Of note the group I purchased my G900X and all the other avionics
> suggested I take it over the a certified Garmin avionics shop to upgrade
> the system software. After the well respected local avionics shop called
> Garmin to confirm the process they came back to me with 4-5 hours labor
> at $110/hour. I have read the procedure, it's not very difficult or time
> consuming unless the whole calibration loss is thrown into the process?
> AGAIN I must be missing something unstated in the manual as there is no
> way anyone would design a procedure whereby you lose all this critical
> data that cannot be stored and reinstalled.
>
> Do you have SVT?
>
> Robin
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Flow Transducer Move |
Neither one, actually. Comes off of the fuel servo right behind the
inlet connection, so it is the pressure the servo sees.
Any air in the line would tend to dampen pulsations, not cause them.
On Sun, Sep 27, 2009 at 12:50 PM, Patrick Thyssen <jump2@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
> This is my last Question, Where is your fuel pressure coming off. Is it the spider
or the fuel pump? I believe most are coming from their fuel pump on the
rv10.
> Patrick Thyssen
>
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| Subject: | Re: new item for the rv-10 back seats |
nice work there Ben
Jeff Carpenter
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On Sep 27, 2009, at 10:55 AM, Ben Westfall wrote:
> Hey guys I thought I=92d show you our newest =93add-on=94 for the
RV-10
> J. It goes in the back seat and adds to the beauty of the plane.
> Good thing we=92re building the 4 seater!
>
> Ben Westfall
> Portland, OR
> #40579 (Finish Kit)
>
>
> <P1000761 (Large).JPG>
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| Subject: | Re: new item for the rv-10 back seats |
That's the most expensive "mod" yet for the -10. CONGRATULATIONS!
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse@saintaviation.com
Cell: 352-427-0285
Fax: 815-377-3694
On Sep 27, 2009, at 1:55 PM, Ben Westfall wrote:
> Hey guys I thought I=92d show you our newest =93add-on=94 for the
RV-10
> J. It goes in the back seat and adds to the beauty of the plane.
> Good thing we=92re building the 4 seater!
>
> Ben Westfall
> Portland, OR
> #40579 (Finish Kit)
>
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> <P1000761 (Large).JPG>
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| Subject: | Re: new item for the rv-10 back seats |
I did four of those add-ons including a two for one deal (at three times the price).
Now the add-ons are adding on, but the next-gens are so much more user
friendly that it would have been nice to skip the previous gen and go next gen
direct.
Keep that precious picture of the eyes and mouth closed, and hand turned down instead
of up for money. It doesn't stay that way. An owner's manual or even
tech support would be nice too, but good luck with that.
The quick drains are effective and automatic, but there's no control over that
for quite some time.
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Myron Nelson
Mesa, AZ
Emp completed, legacy build fuse in progress
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| Subject: | Re: Attaching QB Fuse to Tailcone |
You're right. I was measuring mine last night and they're all too long.
Not by a little, but by a lot!!! Almost 1.5 inches too long. I can't
believe they couldn't even get close.
One of them is so long that it sticks into the baggage door opening...
I also found another stupid thing in the mix too.
Directly above the baggage door are a couple of pieces of angle. You're
supposed to trim the bottom 3/8" off the entire length of the angle(s).
The goof balls just riveted the thing in place and never trimmed the
bottom flange down. That's not going to be a fun one to fix.
Also notice several missing pieces that were supposed to be included in
the QB part (not in the inventory) and they're just not installed and
not on the inventory list either.
The work is generally pretty good and they're still saving me a bunch of
time, but their attention to detail is terrible.
Phil
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From: nukeflyboy [mailto:flymoore@charter.net]
Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2009 10:06 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: Attaching QB Fuse to Tailcone
I recall having a minor problem with my QB. If all the holes on the
skins don't line up perfectly check the longerons for interference.
They may be too long. Trim a little off if needed.
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Dave Moore
RV-6 flying
RV-10 QB - cabin top/fiberglass hell
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| Subject: | Re: Attaching QB Fuse to Tailcone |
Certainly makes you wonder what other short cuts they took that you haven't
found yet......
I guess that is the advantage with normal builds, we only have one person to
blame and we know where all the skeletons lie.
Do not archive
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Perry, Phil
Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2009 7:35 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Attaching QB Fuse to Tailcone
You're right. I was measuring mine last night and they're all too long.
Not by a little, but by a lot!!! Almost 1.5 inches too long. I can't
believe they couldn't even get close.
One of them is so long that it sticks into the baggage door opening...
I also found another stupid thing in the mix too.
Directly above the baggage door are a couple of pieces of angle. You're
supposed to trim the bottom 3/8" off the entire length of the angle(s).
The goof balls just riveted the thing in place and never trimmed the
bottom flange down. That's not going to be a fun one to fix.
Also notice several missing pieces that were supposed to be included in
the QB part (not in the inventory) and they're just not installed and
not on the inventory list either.
The work is generally pretty good and they're still saving me a bunch of
time, but their attention to detail is terrible.
Phil
-----Original Message-----
From: nukeflyboy [mailto:flymoore@charter.net]
Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2009 10:06 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: Attaching QB Fuse to Tailcone
I recall having a minor problem with my QB. If all the holes on the
skins don't line up perfectly check the longerons for interference.
They may be too long. Trim a little off if needed.
--------
Dave Moore
RV-6 flying
RV-10 QB - cabin top/fiberglass hell
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| Subject: | James plenum question |
Those of you who installed the James plenum (Deems, Robin?), how did you get air
to the left side heat muff?
Thanks,
Lenny
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| Subject: | Re: Attaching QB Fuse to Tailcone |
Yeah... Another one that I found is on the control stick mounts.
If you recall, the mounts for the control column's require trimming.
See 28-4 Step 1.
They didn't even bother to remove the hatched area and just put them
into the airplane. I just left them because I don't think it will cause
any problems - except weight. If my baby turns out being a little
fatter than all of her siblings, I might go back in and look for spots
like that to remove some weight.
I also decided to check the accuracy of their torque wrenches.
...............that's when I decided that they don't allow them onto the
factory floor.
Phil
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From: Bob Leffler [mailto:rv@thelefflers.com]
Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2009 7:15 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Attaching QB Fuse to Tailcone
Certainly makes you wonder what other short cuts they took that you
haven't
found yet......
I guess that is the advantage with normal builds, we only have one
person to
blame and we know where all the skeletons lie.
Do not archive
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Perry, Phil
Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2009 7:35 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Attaching QB Fuse to Tailcone
You're right. I was measuring mine last night and they're all too long.
Not by a little, but by a lot!!! Almost 1.5 inches too long. I can't
believe they couldn't even get close.
One of them is so long that it sticks into the baggage door opening...
I also found another stupid thing in the mix too.
Directly above the baggage door are a couple of pieces of angle. You're
supposed to trim the bottom 3/8" off the entire length of the angle(s).
The goof balls just riveted the thing in place and never trimmed the
bottom flange down. That's not going to be a fun one to fix.
Also notice several missing pieces that were supposed to be included in
the QB part (not in the inventory) and they're just not installed and
not on the inventory list either.
The work is generally pretty good and they're still saving me a bunch of
time, but their attention to detail is terrible.
Phil
-----Original Message-----
From: nukeflyboy [mailto:flymoore@charter.net]
Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2009 10:06 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: Attaching QB Fuse to Tailcone
I recall having a minor problem with my QB. If all the holes on the
skins don't line up perfectly check the longerons for interference.
They may be too long. Trim a little off if needed.
--------
Dave Moore
RV-6 flying
RV-10 QB - cabin top/fiberglass hell
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| Subject: | Re: new item for the rv-10 back seats |
Hi Ben
I got a similar option for my pa28 years ago. For some reason the
option underwent numerous, unexpected upgrades, ADs, STCs and MSBs.
All required application of vast quantities of cash resulting in very
surprising results. YMMV.
Congrats
Les
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On 2009-09-27, at 11:55 AM, Ben Westfall <rv10@sinkrate.com> wrote:
> Hey guys I thought I=99d show you our newest =9Cadd-on
=9D for the
> RV-10 J. It goes in the back seat and adds to the beauty of the pla
> ne. Good thing we=99re building the 4 seater!
>
> Ben Westfall
> Portland, OR
> #40579 (Finish Kit)
>
>
> <P1000761 (Large).JPG>
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| Subject: | new item for the rv-10 back seats |
Congrats Ben!
We went with the QB version too and it should be here around April 26th.
We decided to go with stork shipping instead of Partain this time
though.
Is this your first? I'm interested in learning how this new mod affects
your overall build time.
Phil
From: Ben Westfall [mailto:rv10@sinkrate.com]
Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2009 12:56 PM
Subject: RV10-List: new item for the rv-10 back seats
Hey guys I thought I'd show you our newest "add-on" for the RV-10 J. It
goes in the back seat and adds to the beauty of the plane. Good thing
we're building the 4 seater!
Ben Westfall
Portland, OR
#40579 (Finish Kit)
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| Subject: | Re: James plenum question |
Here's how I did the ones on my 6A.....
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From: "Lenny Iszak" <lenard@rapiddecision.com>
Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2009 9:14 PM
Subject: RV10-List: James plenum question
>
> Those of you who installed the James plenum (Deems, Robin?), how did you
> get air to the left side heat muff?
>
> Thanks,
> Lenny
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=265254#265254
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| Subject: | Re: FireWall Engine Side Paint? |
The beauty of stainless steel is that is, well, stainless - and easy to clean.
A well painted surface is too. But you should reconsider a blanket on the firewall
side. I am serious about oil and dirt accumulation and it may not look
good after a while as well be a pain in the behind to install and clean.
I think that I just read that the allowable oil consumption for an IO-540 is 0.87
quarts per hour. Lycoming doesn't care if it is internal or external loss
and they do both.
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Dave Moore
RV-6 flying
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| Subject: | Re: new item for the rv-10 back seats |
I hope the rear seats are vinyl. :D
Congratulations!
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Dave Moore
RV-6 flying
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| Subject: | Re: Window trim - inside |
Redmond Air has fiberglass rings that cover the offending areas and I think will
help hold the headliner in place too. I have not bought them - just seen pictures.
Check redmondair.com
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Dave Moore
RV-6 flying
RV-10 QB - cabin top/fiberglass hell
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| Subject: | James plenum question |
Lenny,
Because of high temp issues early on we upgraded and
relocated the oil cooler to accept RAM air from the front of the cowl.
We sealed the rear hole leaving all the cowl/plenum air for cooling the
cylinders. While I hope temps will not be an issue with your build I
suspect you will experience similar thermal challenges. Assuming I were
using the James Cowl/Plenum again (highly doubtful) I would consider
side louvers as the under cowl louvers were beneficial but still not
sufficient to keep temps in an acceptable range. I have even toyed with
the idea of converting the Plenum back to standard baffles but there are
too many unknowns to go that route at this point in time.
I hate to sound like an RV-List whiner dealing with the
Garmin issues and the James Cowl/Plenum cooling but these are real life
challenges and I sure hate to have people see my beautiful front end and
think it's all rainbows and unicorns. That being said I did display the
-10 at SBP Airport Day last Saturday sitting across from a fleet of
Cirrus and a bunch of other experimental & certified aircraft and we can
be pretty proud of the decision we made to build these airplanes. Once
you have a flying -10 there are some planes you no longer have the need
to envy.
Robin
Note: Ram Oil Cooler inlet just below Pilots Side Inlet
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lenny Iszak
Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2009 6:15 PM
Subject: RV10-List: James plenum question
<lenard@rapiddecision.com>
Those of you who installed the James plenum (Deems, Robin?), how did you
get air to the left side heat muff?
Thanks,
Lenny
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| Subject: | Re: Attaching QB Fuse to Tailcone |
Be sure to give Van's your comments with regards to the workmanship as
well as the shortages, in writing.
Perry, Phil wrote:
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> You're right. I was measuring mine last night and they're all too long.
> Not by a little, but by a lot!!! Almost 1.5 inches too long. I can't
> believe they couldn't even get close.
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> One of them is so long that it sticks into the baggage door opening...
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> Directly above the baggage door are a couple of pieces of angle. You're
> supposed to trim the bottom 3/8" off the entire length of the angle(s).
> The goof balls just riveted the thing in place and never trimmed the
> bottom flange down. That's not going to be a fun one to fix.
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> Also notice several missing pieces that were supposed to be included in
> the QB part (not in the inventory) and they're just not installed and
> not on the inventory list either.
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> The work is generally pretty good and they're still saving me a bunch of
> time, but their attention to detail is terrible.
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> Phil
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> From: nukeflyboy [mailto:flymoore@charter.net]
> Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2009 10:06 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV10-List: Re: Attaching QB Fuse to Tailcone
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> I recall having a minor problem with my QB. If all the holes on the
> skins don't line up perfectly check the longerons for interference.
> They may be too long. Trim a little off if needed.
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> RV-6 flying
> RV-10 QB - cabin top/fiberglass hell
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| Subject: | Copperstate RV10 nest |
The second (and last), annual RV10 nest at Copperstate is a go.
Should be set up by Friday morning through Sat night for a shady place to relax.
Carne Asada mid day Saturday until its gone. Would like to get a rough head count
for planning purposes.
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Myron Nelson
Mesa, AZ
Emp completed, legacy build fuse in progress
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| Subject: | Re: Copperstate RV10 nest |
I plan on making it.
Kelly
woxofswa wrote:
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| Subject: | Re: Copperstate RV10 nest |
Had a great time last year and the food was excellent, we'll be there this
year, count 4 more people in.
Bill Souza
RV-10
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> From: woxofswa <woxof@aol.com>
> Subject: RV10-List: Copperstate RV10 nest
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Date: Sunday, September 27, 2009, 8:20 PM
> "woxofswa" <woxof@aol.com>
>
> The second (and last), annual RV10 nest at Copperstate is a
> go.
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> Should be set up by Friday morning through Sat night for a
> shady place to relax.
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> Carne Asada mid day Saturday until its gone. Would
> like to get a rough head count for planning purposes.
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> Mesa, AZ
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| Subject: | new item for the rv-10 back seats |
Phil,
Yes first kid. The build came to a stand still early summer because we
decided to add on to the house. The remodel is about 60% of the way done so
we didn't quite get it done in time for the baby but were making due. I
don't envision getting back to the 10 for a month or two. I've been
chomping at the bit wanting to continue work on it but we'll see. Ask me
again in 3 - 4 months and I'll let you know.
One things for sure though it's hard to want to do much other than make
googly eyes at the baby. They sure tug on your heart strings. It's been
about 3 weeks and I don't feel at all like she's "taken away from anything".
quite the opposite. I think the joy/love you get from the whole experience
lessens the distraction from my first passion (flying/building). When the
non-stop crying sets in we'll just don our Zulu headsets!
-Ben
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Perry, Phil
Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2009 6:49 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: new item for the rv-10 back seats
Congrats Ben!
We went with the QB version too and it should be here around April 26th. We
decided to go with stork shipping instead of Partain this time though.
Is this your first? I'm interested in learning how this new mod affects
your overall build time.
Phil
From: Ben Westfall [mailto:rv10@sinkrate.com]
Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2009 12:56 PM
Subject: RV10-List: new item for the rv-10 back seats
Hey guys I thought I'd show you our newest "add-on" for the RV-10 :-). It
goes in the back seat and adds to the beauty of the plane. Good thing we're
building the 4 seater!
Ben Westfall
Portland, OR
#40579 (Finish Kit)
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| Subject: | Re: new item for the rv-10 back seats |
Myron that's too funny. I've seen a whole lot more of grandma now that the
kid is here so she might agree. Yes the quick drains right now leak quite
often... As all "next-gens" go you don't really appreciate them as much
unless you muddle through the first gen right??? Elyse is 3 weeks old now
and were having a blast!
-Ben
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I did four of those add-ons including a two for one deal (at three times the
price). Now the add-ons are adding on, but the next-gens are so much more
user friendly that it would have been nice to skip the previous gen and go
next gen direct.
Keep that precious picture of the eyes and mouth closed, and hand turned
down instead of up for money. It doesn't stay that way. An owner's manual
or even tech support would be nice too, but good luck with that.
The quick drains are effective and automatic, but there's no control over
that for quite some time.
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Myron Nelson
Mesa, AZ
Emp completed, legacy build fuse in progress
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