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1. 03:26 AM - Re: Door bulge (AirMike)
2. 03:59 AM - Re: Re: High Oil temps (David Maib)
3. 04:41 AM - Re: door (Jesse Saint)
4. 04:41 AM - Re: door (Jesse Saint)
5. 05:42 AM - Re: Re: door (Bob and Karen Brown)
6. 05:51 AM - Re: Re: Before Closing Up The Bottom Skins? (Bill Mauledriver Watson)
7. 06:11 AM - Re: Re: Before Closing Up The Bottom Skins? (Kelly McMullen)
8. 06:22 AM - Re: Re: Before Closing Up The Bottom Skins? (Richard Bibb)
9. 07:29 AM - Re: Before Closing Up The Bottom Skins? (johngoodman)
10. 07:34 AM - Re: Door bulge (velo)
11. 08:49 AM - Re: door (Dave Lammers)
12. 09:09 AM - Re: Re: Door bulge (Les Kearney)
13. 09:55 AM - Re: QB Feedback (Perry, Phil)
14. 01:35 PM - Re: door (Robert Brunkenhoefer)
15. 02:59 PM - Re: door (lbgjb10)
16. 03:00 PM - Re: door (lbgjb10)
17. 03:00 PM - Re: door (lbgjb10)
18. 04:00 PM - Re: Re: Before Closing Up The Bottom Skins? (Patrick Pulis)
19. 04:00 PM - Re: Re: door (David McNeill)
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N220RV - the factory Continental equipped RV10 has a nice latch system. I do not
know when it was installed but it is a spring loaded mid door latch
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Q/B Kit - phase 1
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| Subject: | Re: High Oil temps |
Doug,
I built my airplane in MN and now live in FL. I will see temps around
200 degrees in climb to altitude in FL summer temps. Temps come back
down to 180-185 in cruise. I have the 2006x oil cooler. Prolonged
slow flight will also cause temps to slowly come back up to around 200.
David Maib
40559
Flying
On Sep 29, 2009, at 10:23 PM, n277dl wrote:
Group...
Trying to understand how prevalent of a problem high oil temps are
with the -10. I've purchased the 2006x from Airflow. I'm in Iowa so
definitely don't have the temps of AZ but daughter is in San Antonio
and make that trip a few times a year. It'd sure be easier to deal
with now while building instead of later if I'm going to have to.
Thoughts?
Doug
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Doug
"Fools" are always more creative than process people and
will always find ways to ruin a perfectly good set of processes.
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The strap, made out of the right material, is strong enough for
secondary. It has been tested on a strap made out of leather with 2.5
layers stitched together.
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse@saintaviation.com
Cell: 352-427-0285
Fax: 815-377-3694
On Sep 29, 2009, at 5:54 PM, John Jessen wrote:
> Sad to see that the door issue has come back to the fore. If I
> recall, this was on my list of issues that got slammed awhile back.
> Looking forward to a tested solution that involves both a primary
> and secondary latch, such as autos have. Would the strap be strong
> enough for secondary? Not sure. I think Tim James has designed
> such. John Cox, do you remember Tim's solution? Maybe I can get
> out to his hanger and take some pics.
>
> John J
>
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-
> server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave Saylor
> Sent: Monday, September 28, 2009 2:50 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: FW: RV10-List: door
>
> It's really essential that everyone have some improved way of
> keeping the doors closed: our metal door blocks are one way, buy
> you could also make your own, get Rivetheads, use a strap or
> something. This is happening a LOT and it's only a matter of time
> until the results are very bad.
>
> Dave Saylor
> AirCrafters LLC
> 140 Aviation Way
> Watsonville, CA 95076
> 831-722-9141 Shop
> 831-750-0284 Cell
>
>
> On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 2:02 PM, David McNeill <dlm46007@cox.net>
> wrote:
>
>
> I believe you may be referring to 416EC; I think the number has now
> been changed and the aircraft sold. I don't rely on a system. I
> close the doors and check the pins both fore and aft, both sides,
> when we load and before takeoff.
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-
> server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Danny Riggs
> Sent: Monday, September 28, 2009 12:21 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: door
>
> That kinda sucks! I've been working on the door latches over the
> weekend and thinking about the last time I saw this happen. The
> landing was real firm and the front end was twisted up to the
> firewall.
>
> From: dlm46007@cox.net
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV10-List: door
> Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 11:30:43 -0700
>
>
> IDENTIFICATION
> Regis#: 78MU Make/Model: EXP Description: RV-10
> Date: 09/26/2009 Time: 1827
>
> Event Type: Incident Highest Injury: None Mid Air: N
> Missing: N
> Damage: Minor
>
> LOCATION
> City: JEFFERSON CITY State: MO Country: US
>
> DESCRIPTION
> AIRCRAFT ON TAKEOFF, PASSENGER DOOR SEPARATED FROM AIRCRAFT,
> LANDED WITHOUT
> INCIDENT, JEFFERSON CITY, MO
>
> INJURY DATA Total Fatal: 0
> # Crew: 1 Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min:
> 0 Unk:
> # Pass: 1 Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min:
> 0 Unk:
> # Grnd: Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min:
> 0 Unk:
>
> WEATHER: SCT029 BKN045 260/08G15 10SM A2995
>
>
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I had a door come open on me in flight when my knee bumped it. My
knee only moved it, I would say, less than the 10 degrees that has
been mentioned that would set off the door latch warning system. The
handle just opened the rest of the way because of the pressure on the
door (same pressure causing the bulge mentioned). The door came open
about 2/3 of the way and I was able to grab the handle and pull it
most of the way closed, then the pilot at the time grabbed the back
(another aftermarket mod) handle and helped me close the door the rest
of the way.
do not archive
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse@saintaviation.com
Cell: 352-427-0285
Fax: 815-377-3694
On Sep 28, 2009, at 11:04 PM, Les Kearney wrote:
> Hmmm
>
> Oaky, I=92ll take the bait. How does the latch handle come free in
> flight?
>
> As far as the aftermarket blocks are concerned, how far the door
> pins extend is up to the builder. I have set mine so that the tip of
> the rods extend about =BC - =BD=94 through the door frames. I don=92t
think
> my door frame paint is worth the risk of only having the pins go
> into the aluminum block.
>
> Cheers
>
> Les
> #40643 ' living in f/g hell
>
> PS: Does anyone have a strap arrangement that they like ' one that
> will allow the door to be secured in the event that the latching
> mechanism fails? Inquiring minds need to know=85.
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My build partner, a glass guy, put one layer of carbon fiber in between the
door halves. It's very stiff now...but still considering the middle latch
option...
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David McNeill
Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 9:08 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: door
I don't recall who had the bulging door but it may be due to insufficient
epoxy inside the two halves of the door. No one else seems to have the
bulging door problem and it would seem that the door is flexing outward,
probably because of insufficient stiffness in the lower door , fore to aft.
Another possibility is that the door is too wide for the opening and
although the pins engage, they are not a single pin and therefore bow
outward at the latch mechanism. Another possibility for the outward flex is
insufficient stiffness and a low pressure area since if the fuselage is
viewed from above the entire fuselage does have an airfoil shape.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lew Gallagher
Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 8:37 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: door
Thanks DLM and David -- either a tapped screw or cotter key is better than
what I've got now and I will replace them.
R.e. the bulging door problem, I like the idea of the baggage door type lock
in the middle of the doors, rotating into a slot in the bottom sill -- if
that can be operated from the inside, that would do double duty.
Later, - Lew
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non-pilot
crazy about building
NOW OFICIALLY BUILDER #40549
Painting done!
On with wiring and avionics.
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| Subject: | Re: Before Closing Up The Bottom Skins? |
You like that 'eh? I got that headset as some sort of thank you gift.
It worked well but since I prefer Web listening, I just used the ANC.
That is until I was doing some job near whirling machinery and decided
it was safer to give up the ANC... so I snipped the cord off.
The real challenge was getting a wireless internet signal into a metal
hangar 200 yards from the router. I'll have to post a picture of my
"Cantenna".
Bill "who doesn't think he could build this thing without Web access in
the shop" Watson
do not archive
Perry, Phil wrote:
>
> Hey Bill,
>
> ANC in the shop? Maybe a MP3 player in the mix too?
>
> Now that's hearing protection!
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bill Mauledriver Watson [mailto:MauleDriver@nc.rr.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 9:27 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Before Closing Up The Bottom Skins?
>
> FWIW - I think I made similar comments previously but - I did mine in a
> vertical stand, one person.
> I found that a small tungsten bar was very handy but not exclusively.
> The lighter, bigger iron bucking blocks were also useful Thank Deems for
> the safety wire technique to hold up the skins (see photo if I
> successfully attached one) Remember to check that the skin doesn't
> overlap or bind on the leading edge skins - I had to file mine down to
> fit well - It's painful if you find out too late
>
>
> Patrick Pulis wrote:
>
>> John, did you have any issues with bucking the rivets?
>>
>> Any tips for rivetting the bottom wing skins?
>>
>> Many thanks for your response John.
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Pat
>>
>> Do Not Archive
>>
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>> --
>> *From:* johngoodman <johngoodman@earthlink.net>
>> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, 29 September, 2009 10:41:44 PM
>> *Subject:* RV10-List: Re: Before Closing Up The Bottom Skins?
>>
>> <johngoodman@earthlink.net <mailto:johngoodman@earthlink.net>>
>>
>> To answer your question, I installed everything, including the push
>> rods before closing.
>> John
>>
>> --------
>> #40572 QB Fuselage, wings finished. Finish Kit progressing. Engine
>> & Panel delivery soon.
>> N711JG reserved
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
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>> target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List
>>
>>
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| Subject: | Re: Before Closing Up The Bottom Skins? |
You wouldn't like my hangar workshop then....no phone, no internet.
Just TV and radio and microwave/refrig to distract me from
building.....and the half dozen other builders in nearby hangars
working at most anytime.
On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 5:48 AM, Bill Mauledriver Watson
<MauleDriver@nc.rr.com> wrote:
> The real challenge was getting a wireless internet signal into a metal
> hangar 200 yards from the router. I'll have to post a picture of my
> "Cantenna".
>
> Bill "who doesn't think he could build this thing without Web access in the
> shop" Watson
>
> do not archive
>
> Perry, Phil wrote:
>>
>>
>> Hey Bill,
>>
>> ANC in the shop? Maybe a MP3 player in the mix too?
>>
>> Now that's hearing protection!
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Bill Mauledriver Watson [mailto:MauleDriver@nc.rr.com] Sent:
>> Tuesday, September 29, 2009 9:27 PM
>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Before Closing Up The Bottom Skins?
>>
>> FWIW - I think I made similar comments previously but - I did mine in a
>> vertical stand, one person.
>> I found that a small tungsten bar was very handy but not exclusively. The
>> lighter, bigger iron bucking blocks were also useful Thank Deems for
>> the safety wire technique to hold up the skins (see photo if I
>> successfully attached one) Remember to check that the skin doesn't
>> overlap or bind on the leading edge skins - I had to file mine down to
>> fit well - It's painful if you find out too late
>>
>>
>>
>> Patrick Pulis wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> John, did you have any issues with bucking the rivets?
>>> Any tips for rivetting the bottom wing skins?
>>> Many thanks for your response John.
>>> Regards
>>> Pat
>>> Do Not Archive
>>>
>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> --
>>> *From:* johngoodman <johngoodman@earthlink.net>
>>> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, 29 September, 2009 10:41:44 PM
>>> *Subject:* RV10-List: Re: Before Closing Up The Bottom Skins?
>>>
>>> <mailto:johngoodman@earthlink.net>>
>>>
>>> To answer your question, I installed everything, including the push rods
>>> before closing.
>>> John
>>>
>>> --------
>>> #40572 QB Fuselage, wings finished. Finish Kit progressing. Engine &
>>> Panel delivery soon.
>>> N711JG reserved
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Read this topic online here:
>>>
>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=265529#26552r?RV10-List"
>>> target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List
>>>
>>>
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| Subject: | Re: Before Closing Up The Bottom Skins? |
Man's got style for sure...
I wish I could figure out how you guys keep your workspace so clean. Mine
looks like an EPA Superfund site most of the time.
Richard Bibb
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | Re: Before Closing Up The Bottom Skins? |
Pat,
I did the same thing Bill did, except my wife shot the rivets, so I didn't need
the safety wire thing. My cradle looks just like his. Bill's advice on trimming
the skins so they don't touch is the most important part. It took about a dozen
frustrating fittings and filings before I riveted. No oil canning.
John
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#40572 QB Fuselage, wings finished. Finish Kit progressing. Engine & Panel
delivery soon.
N711JG reserved
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Is this Van's answer to their door design? I think they should make this modification
available to all builders as a standard build item. Has anyone talked
with Van's about this mod?
Rick
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Jesse,
Do you have a picture of the strap (in its installed and functioning
position) that you could post?
Dave Lammers
Jesse Saint wrote:
> The strap, made out of the right material, is strong enough for
> secondary. It has been tested on a strap made out of leather with 2.5
> layers stitched together.
>
> Jesse Saint
> Saint Aviation, Inc.
> jesse@saintaviation.com <mailto:jesse@saintaviation.com>
> Cell: 352-427-0285
> Fax: 815-377-3694
>
> On Sep 29, 2009, at 5:54 PM, John Jessen wrote:
>
>> Sad to see that the door issue has come back to the fore. If I
>> recall, this was on my list of issues that got slammed awhile back.
>> Looking forward to a tested solution that involves both a primary and
>> secondary latch, such as autos have. Would the strap be strong
>> enough for secondary? Not sure. I think Tim James has designed
>> such. John Cox, do you remember Tim's solution? Maybe I can get out
>> to his hanger and take some pics.
>>
>> John J
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> *From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>> <mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com>
>> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Dave Saylor
>> *Sent:* Monday, September 28, 2009 2:50 PM
>> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com <mailto:rv10-list@matronics.com>
>> *Subject:* Re: FW: RV10-List: door
>>
>> It's really essential that everyone have some improved way of keeping
>> the doors closed: our metal door blocks are one way, buy you could
>> also make your own, get Rivetheads, use a strap or something. This
>> is happening a LOT and it's only a matter of time until the results
>> are very bad.
>>
>> Dave Saylor
>> AirCrafters LLC
>> 140 Aviation Way
>> Watsonville, CA 95076
>> 831-722-9141 Shop
>> 831-750-0284 Cell
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 2:02 PM, David McNeill <dlm46007@cox.net
>> <mailto:dlm46007@cox.net>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> I believe you may be referring to 416EC; I think the number has
>> now been changed and the aircraft sold. I don't rely on a system.
>> I close the doors and check the pins both fore and aft, both
>> sides, when we load and before takeoff.
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> *From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>> <mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com>
>> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>> <mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com>] *On Behalf Of
>> *Danny Riggs
>> *Sent:* Monday, September 28, 2009 12:21 PM
>> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com <mailto:rv10-list@matronics.com>
>> *Subject:* RE: RV10-List: door
>>
>> That kinda sucks! I've been working on the door latches over
>> the weekend and thinking about the last time I saw this happen.
>> The landing was real firm and the front end was twisted up to the
>> firewall.
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> From: dlm46007@cox.net <mailto:dlm46007@cox.net>
>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com <mailto:rv10-list@matronics.com>
>> Subject: RV10-List: door
>> Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 11:30:43 -0700
>>
>>
>> IDENTIFICATION
>> Regis#: 78MU Make/Model: EXP Description: RV-10
>> Date: 09/26/2009 Time: 1827
>>
>> Event Type: Incident Highest Injury: None Mid Air: N
>> Missing: N
>> Damage: Minor
>>
>> LOCATION
>> City: JEFFERSON CITY State: MO Country: US
>>
>> DESCRIPTION
>> AIRCRAFT ON TAKEOFF, PASSENGER DOOR SEPARATED FROM AIRCRAFT,
>> LANDED WITHOUT
>> INCIDENT, JEFFERSON CITY, MO
>>
>> INJURY DATA Total Fatal: 0
>> # Crew: 1 Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min:
>> 0 Unk:
>> # Pass: 1 Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min:
>> 0 Unk:
>> # Grnd: Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min:
>> 0 Unk:
>>
>> WEATHER: SCT029 BKN045 260/08G15 10SM A2995
>>
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Hi
Does anyone have a pix of the N220RV mid door latch? I'd like to see how
Van's handled this issue.
Cheers
Les
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of AirMike
Sent: September-30-09 4:25 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: Door bulge
N220RV - the factory Continental equipped RV10 has a nice latch system. I do
not know when it was installed but it is a spring loaded mid door latch
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Q/B Kit - phase 1
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Thought I'd share Scott's response.
It was well received. I have a couple of more build misses that I'll
forgot to include and I will be adding them to the list and resending to
the group.
Phil
Phil, Really appreciate the input! We'll get the missing inventory out
to you asap and I'll forward the info you've provided to our QC guys and
to the assembly crew in the Philippines.
If you need help with specific 'fix' options for any of the items you
listed, please let us know.
Thanks again, Scott at Van's
From: Perry, Phil
Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 1:39 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: QB Feedback
Attached are two photos of four offenses.
Baggage Seal photo shows:
The longeron extending into the baggage door opening.
The baggage door seal angles (top of baggage door) - not
trimmed.
1084 and Control Column mount photo shows:
The 1084B's missing. The bottom half is riveted to the
floor
The control column brackets without the hatched area
removed.
From: Richard Bibb [mailto:rbibb@tomet.net]
Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 12:14 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: QB Feedback
It is obvious from reading Phil's feedback that Van's subcontractor does
not have even a rudimentary QC System in place. It is also obvious that
Van's doesn't have much of a QC process in place either from an incoming
inspection standpoint as some of the items could not be missed with even
the most cursory inspection of the items (thinking longeron length).
Excuses can be imagined centered around the ramp up of the new
subcontractor location and the emphasis to clear backlog of unhappy
customers, neither of which is good enough in my opinion.
In my business (fabricating aerospace parts) this would result in a
rejection and me having to remake the item to spec. I realize this is a
different world but this level of sloppiness is unacceptable IMO.
Glad I'm building a slow-build.
Don't get me wrong I love Van's but this doesn't live up to the standard
I'm used to seeing from them.
Richard Bibb
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have you a photo of this arrangement?
On Sep 30, 2009, at 6:30 AM, Jesse Saint wrote:
> The strap, made out of the right material, is strong enough for
> secondary. It has been tested on a strap made out of leather with
> 2.5 layers stitched together.
>
> Jesse Saint
> Saint Aviation, Inc.
> jesse@saintaviation.com
> Cell: 352-427-0285
> Fax: 815-377-3694
>
> On Sep 29, 2009, at 5:54 PM, John Jessen wrote:
>
>> Sad to see that the door issue has come back to the fore. If I
>> recall, this was on my list of issues that got slammed awhile
>> back. Looking forward to a tested solution that involves both a
>> primary and secondary latch, such as autos have. Would the strap
>> be strong enough for secondary? Not sure. I think Tim James has
>> designed such. John Cox, do you remember Tim's solution? Maybe I
>> can get out to his hanger and take some pics.
>>
>> John J
>>
>> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>> ] On Behalf Of Dave Saylor
>> Sent: Monday, September 28, 2009 2:50 PM
>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: FW: RV10-List: door
>>
>> It's really essential that everyone have some improved way of
>> keeping the doors closed: our metal door blocks are one way, buy
>> you could also make your own, get Rivetheads, use a strap or
>> something. This is happening a LOT and it's only a matter of time
>> until the results are very bad.
>>
>> Dave Saylor
>> AirCrafters LLC
>> 140 Aviation Way
>> Watsonville, CA 95076
>> 831-722-9141 Shop
>> 831-750-0284 Cell
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 2:02 PM, David McNeill <dlm46007@cox.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> I believe you may be referring to 416EC; I think the number has now
>> been changed and the aircraft sold. I don't rely on a system. I
>> close the doors and check the pins both fore and aft, both sides,
>> when we load and before takeoff.
>> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>> ] On Behalf Of Danny Riggs
>> Sent: Monday, September 28, 2009 12:21 PM
>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: RE: RV10-List: door
>>
>> That kinda sucks! I've been working on the door latches over the
>> weekend and thinking about the last time I saw this happen. The
>> landing was real firm and the front end was twisted up to the
>> firewall.
>>
>> From: dlm46007@cox.net
>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: RV10-List: door
>> Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 11:30:43 -0700
>>
>>
>> IDENTIFICATION
>> Regis#: 78MU Make/Model: EXP Description: RV-10
>> Date: 09/26/2009 Time: 1827
>>
>> Event Type: Incident Highest Injury: None Mid Air: N
>> Missing: N
>> Damage: Minor
>>
>> LOCATION
>> City: JEFFERSON CITY State: MO Country: US
>>
>> DESCRIPTION
>> AIRCRAFT ON TAKEOFF, PASSENGER DOOR SEPARATED FROM AIRCRAFT,
>> LANDED WITHOUT
>> INCIDENT, JEFFERSON CITY, MO
>>
>> INJURY DATA Total Fatal: 0
>> # Crew: 1 Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min:
>> 0 Unk:
>> # Pass: 1 Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min:
>> 0 Unk:
>> # Grnd: Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min:
>> 0 Unk:
>>
>> WEATHER: SCT029 BKN045 260/08G15 10SM A2995
>>
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we use the strap on every flight--works great, and rumor has it that someone tried
it in flight, and it worked!!! It's VERY simple--a little like the camera
strap that you put on your camera--leather with loops on each end. Thread around
the gear support below seat --bring other end up and place over door latch.
Make it short/long enough that it will not let door open much, but enough
for air when taxing. Mine is short enough so that you almost have to have the
handle in 'open position' to get strap on(being careful to not bang pins on side
of plane,) and then rotate handle, strap is in position with door open about
2 inches. I also go thru all the steps to make sure door is shut, but I like
safety factor. I think there is a lot of pressure trying to open door. Cirrus's
have had doors open, but their hinges keep the doors from flying off.
Only downside is in accident you would like to have it off before landing, but
balancing the risk/benefit ratio, I like it. larry
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we use the strap on every flight--works great, and rumor has it that someone tried
it in flight, and it worked!!! It's VERY simple--a little like the camera
strap that you put on your camera--leather with loops on each end. Thread around
the gear support below seat --bring other end up and place over door latch.
Make it short/long enough that it will not let door open much, but enough
for air when taxing. Mine is short enough so that you almost have to have the
handle in 'open position' to get strap on(being careful to not bang pins on side
of plane,) and then rotate handle, strap is in position with door open about
2 inches. I also go thru all the steps to make sure door is shut, but I like
safety factor. I think there is a lot of pressure trying to open door. Cirrus's
have had doors open, but their hinges keep the doors from flying off.
Only downside is in accident you would like to have it off before landing, but
balancing the risk/benefit ratio, I like it. larry
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we use the strap on every flight--works great, and rumor has it that someone tried
it in flight, and it worked!!! It's VERY simple--a little like the camera
strap that you put on your camera--leather with loops on each end. Thread around
the gear support below seat --bring other end up and place over door latch.
Make it short/long enough that it will not let door open much, but enough
for air when taxing. Mine is short enough so that you almost have to have the
handle in 'open position' to get strap on(being careful to not bang pins on side
of plane,) and then rotate handle, strap is in position with door open about
2 inches. I also go thru all the steps to make sure door is shut, but I like
safety factor. I think there is a lot of pressure trying to open door. Cirrus's
have had doors open, but their hinges keep the doors from flying off.
Only downside is in accident you would like to have it off before landing, but
balancing the risk/benefit ratio, I like it. larry
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| Subject: | Re: Before Closing Up The Bottom Skins? |
Many thanks John, I learned that aspect of the skin joints when I did the t
op skin at the point where the fuel tanks were installed, requiring a sligh
t trim to ensure no oil canning.=0A=0AMany thanks from downunder for all th
e great responses.=0A=0ARegards=0A=0APat=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A____________________
____________=0AFrom: johngoodman <johngoodman@earthlink.net>=0ATo: rv10-lis
t@matronics.com=0ASent: Wednesday, 30 September, 2009 11:58:38 PM=0ASubject
: RV10-List: Re: Before Closing Up The Bottom Skins?=0A=0A--> RV10-List mes
sage posted by: "johngoodman" <johngoodman@earthlink.net>=0A=0APat,=0AI did
the same thing Bill did, except my wife shot the rivets, so I didn't need
the safety wire thing. My cradle looks just like his. Bill's advice on trim
ming the skins so they don't touch is the most important part. It took abou
t a dozen frustrating fittings and filings before I riveted. No oil canning
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I concurr there is a lot of force trying to open the door. There is a low
pressure area outside the window and the fresh air vents are increasing the
pressure inside; There is also consdierable area for the air prtessure to
work on the door One more reason to make sure that your pins have a full
circufence through the metal at the fore/aft door sides. Flexing of the door
may retract the pins slightly.
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Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 3:00 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: door
we use the strap on every flight--works great, and rumor has it that someone
tried it in flight, and it worked!!! It's VERY simple--a little like the
camera strap that you put on your camera--leather with loops on each end.
Thread around the gear support below seat --bring other end up and place
over door latch. Make it short/long enough that it will not let door open
much, but enough for air when taxing. Mine is short enough so that you
almost have to have the handle in 'open position' to get strap on(being
careful to not bang pins on side of plane,) and then rotate handle, strap is
in position with door open about 2 inches. I also go thru all the steps to
make sure door is shut, but I like safety factor. I think there is a lot of
pressure trying to open door. Cirrus's have had doors open, but their
hinges keep the doors from flying off. Only downside is in accident you
would like to have it off before landing, but balancing the risk/benefit
ratio, I like it. larry
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