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1. 05:49 AM - Re: door (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
2. 06:18 AM - Re: Re: Before Closing Up The Bottom Skins? (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
3. 08:42 AM - Woodward Governor - need help (Nick Leonard)
4. 09:17 AM - Power and Drag for the Common Man (Deems Davis)
5. 10:21 AM - Re: Woodward Governor - need help (Kevin Belue)
6. 11:13 AM - Re: Woodward Governor - need help (Nick Leonard)
7. 11:42 AM - Re: Re: Before Closing Up The Bottom Skins? (Bill Mauledriver Watson)
8. 11:46 AM - Re: Re: Woodward Governor - need help (Dave Saylor)
9. 12:54 PM - Re: High Oil temps (bill@airflow)
10. 12:56 PM - Re: High Oil temps (bill@airflow)
11. 02:10 PM - Re: Woodward Governor - need help (John Dunne)
12. 02:55 PM - Re: Copperstate RV10 nest (Don McDonald)
13. 03:11 PM - Control column mounts (James Hein)
14. 04:31 PM - Re: Woodward Governor - need help (Nick Leonard)
15. 04:48 PM - Re: Re: High Oil temps (John Cox)
16. 04:54 PM - Re: Re: Before Closing Up The Bottom Skins? (John Cox)
17. 04:58 PM - Re: High Oil temps (bill@airflow)
18. 05:59 PM - Re: Re: Before Closing Up The Bottom Skins? (Bill Mauledriver Watson)
19. 06:05 PM - Another QB 10 Issue - Longeron Length (again) (Perry, Phil)
20. 06:16 PM - Re: Control column mounts (orchidman)
21. 07:06 PM - Re: Woodward Governor - need help (Bill DeRouchey)
22. 07:41 PM - Re: Woodward Governor - need help (Kelly McMullen)
23. 09:31 PM - Re: Re: High Oil temps (Robin Marks)
24. 11:07 PM - Official RV10-List FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) (Matt Dralle)
25. 11:14 PM - Official RV10-List Usage Guidelines (Matt Dralle)
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I think this is important but not critical to extend through the upright
if you are using one of the aftermarket block sets. Mine do happen to prot
rude a little through the upright but every instance of door separation see
ms to have been related to incomplete latching or the nylon tearing out. I
f you are using aftermarket pin blocks and shear those, you have bigger iss
ues. :P If you are going with the stock setup it would certainly help to
go through the uprights not only for strength and engagement but also as an
indicator as you will probably be much more likely to notice that it is un
latched.
Michael
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@m
atronics.com] On Behalf Of Chris
Sent: Monday, September 28, 2009 7:23 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: door
More 2 cents...Remember to make sure the door pins go all the way through t
he upright F-1005 and F-1042. I have mine such that there is solid pin (wit
h no taper) engaged in the hole in these uprights. That is a lot of strengt
h in shear with this, so as long as the door and latch is closed properly i
t is not going anywhere. Now if the door can flex in the middle thereby pul
ling those out such as if the cabin were pressurized that could be a proble
m.
-Chris
#40072
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@m
atronics.com] On Behalf Of gary
Sent: Monday, September 28, 2009 6:54 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: door
I disagree that it will take more than metal blocks to solve this. I switc
hed to the metal blocks and have very solid latch on mine. Connect the pro
ximity switch circuit to your EFIS alarm system, and it will scream at you
when you advance the throttle and don't have all 4 pins locked. The soluti
on is not difficult or expensive.
Gary Specketer
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@m
atronics.com] On Behalf Of John Cumins
Sent: Monday, September 28, 2009 6:44 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: door
Ok here comes my 2 cents. It appears that there could be some type of desi
gn change, better locking longer door pins, longer throw on the pins or a a
ir dam of some kind that forces the door shut and not let it open with a ai
r load in or. Has any Lanceairs lost any doors in flight. Looking at the
Cirius doors it is almost impossible to loose on of theirs from the looks
of it.
I think when I get to that point I will have to take a harder look at this
and see if I can build in more safety into this. I do agree that the door
should not come off and cause a major damage or loss of aircraft due to a d
oor opening.
It is time to put some major brain cells into this issue. I think it will t
ake more than metal door blocks to really get this resolved.
I am open to any and all ideas.
John G. Cumins
President
JC'S Interactive Systems
2499 B1 Martin Rd
Fairfield Ca 94533
707-425-7100
707-425-7576 Fax
Your Total Technology Solution Provider
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Les Kearney
Sent: Monday, September 28, 2009 3:22 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: door
Hi
These door departures are really quite troublesome. It would be interesting
to now the following about each of the incidents to date.
* When did the door departure occur (i.e. on takeoff, during climb out,
cruise etc)?
* Was the Van door warning installed
* What kind of door blocks were being used (Van's nylon, Rivethead, Ifly
RV10 etc)?
* Were any other "secondary" latches / straps etc being used?
The 416EC incident seems to indicate that the nylon blocks are definitely n
ot the way to go when installing doors.
Anyway, in my not so humble opinion, an improperly unlatched door should no
t result in a near death experience in a light single.
Cheers
Les
#40643 - living in f/g hell.
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@m
atronics.com] On Behalf Of David McNeill
Sent: September-28-09 3:03 PM
Subject: FW: RV10-List: door
I believe you may be referring to 416EC; I think the number has now been ch
anged and the aircraft sold. I don't rely on a system. I close the doors an
d check the pins both fore and aft, both sides, when we load and before tak
eoff.
________________________________
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@m
atronics.com] On Behalf Of Danny Riggs
Sent: Monday, September 28, 2009 12:21 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: door
That kinda sucks! I've been working on the door latches over the weekend
and thinking about the last time I saw this happen. The landing was real f
irm and the front end was twisted up to the firewall.[http://gfx2.hotmail.c
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From: dlm46007@cox.net
Subject: RV10-List: door
IDENTIFICATION
Regis#: 78MU Make/Model: EXP Description: RV-10
Date: 09/26/2009 Time: 1827
Event Type: Incident Highest Injury: None Mid Air: N Missing: N
Damage: Minor
LOCATION
City: JEFFERSON CITY State: MO Country: US
DESCRIPTION
AIRCRAFT ON TAKEOFF, PASSENGER DOOR SEPARATED FROM AIRCRAFT, LANDED WITHO
UT
INCIDENT, JEFFERSON CITY, MO
INJURY DATA Total Fatal: 0
# Crew: 1 Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk
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# Pass: 1 Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk
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# Grnd: Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk
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| Subject: | Re: Before Closing Up The Bottom Skins? |
At least the neighbors don't look at you like you're nuts for mowing the lawn
with an ANR headset on. Let's me listen to some music and keeps me from going
deaf, well, from the lawnmower at least. :)
Michael
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Mauledriver Watson
Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 8:48 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Before Closing Up The Bottom Skins?
You like that 'eh? I got that headset as some sort of thank you gift.
It worked well but since I prefer Web listening, I just used the ANC.
That is until I was doing some job near whirling machinery and decided
it was safer to give up the ANC... so I snipped the cord off.
The real challenge was getting a wireless internet signal into a metal
hangar 200 yards from the router. I'll have to post a picture of my
"Cantenna".
Bill "who doesn't think he could build this thing without Web access in
the shop" Watson
do not archive
Perry, Phil wrote:
>
> Hey Bill,
>
> ANC in the shop? Maybe a MP3 player in the mix too?
>
> Now that's hearing protection!
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bill Mauledriver Watson [mailto:MauleDriver@nc.rr.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 9:27 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Before Closing Up The Bottom Skins?
>
> FWIW - I think I made similar comments previously but - I did mine in a
> vertical stand, one person.
> I found that a small tungsten bar was very handy but not exclusively.
> The lighter, bigger iron bucking blocks were also useful Thank Deems for
> the safety wire technique to hold up the skins (see photo if I
> successfully attached one) Remember to check that the skin doesn't
> overlap or bind on the leading edge skins - I had to file mine down to
> fit well - It's painful if you find out too late
>
>
> Patrick Pulis wrote:
>
>> John, did you have any issues with bucking the rivets?
>>
>> Any tips for rivetting the bottom wing skins?
>>
>> Many thanks for your response John.
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Pat
>>
>> Do Not Archive
>>
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>> --
>> *From:* johngoodman <johngoodman@earthlink.net>
>> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, 29 September, 2009 10:41:44 PM
>> *Subject:* RV10-List: Re: Before Closing Up The Bottom Skins?
>>
>> <johngoodman@earthlink.net <mailto:johngoodman@earthlink.net>>
>>
>> To answer your question, I installed everything, including the push
>> rods before closing.
>> John
>>
>> --------
>> #40572 QB Fuselage, wings finished. Finish Kit progressing. Engine
>> & Panel delivery soon.
>> N711JG reserved
>>
>>
>>
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| Subject: | Woodward Governor - need help |
I acquired a reconditioned Woodward Governor (mdl: 210582) for my I/O 540 C2C
with a Hoffman prop. The prop and governor came off of an I/O 540 engine. This
model has an oil AN fitting on the top, I'm assuming for an oil input (return?).
It has the normal screened oil races on the mounting plate and I have mounted
it on the front of the engine.
I am trying to determine what to do with this AN oil fitting, assuming a hose is
require to somewhere on the engine? I have tried to search the web for any
installation manuals or other sources of information, without success.
Does anyone have any information or knowledge on this style of governor? Any help
would be appreciated.
Thanks,
Nick
--------
Nick Leonard
RV-10 (40015) Finish
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| Subject: | Power and Drag for the Common Man |
I just saw this.
http://www.eaa.org/experimenter/articles/2009-08_drag.asp
Has anyone else considered doing this for their -10? Could be interesting.
Deems Davis
www.deemsrv10.com
N519PJ
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| Subject: | Re: Woodward Governor - need help |
My engine (IO540-C4B5) came with a gov like that but the cowling
wouldn't fit so I had to buy the smaller Czech gov from the group buy
on Van's Airforce website.
Kevin Belue
RV10 flying
Sent from my iPhone
On Oct 1, 2009, at 10:41 AM, "Nick Leonard" <nick@nleonard.com> wrote:
>
> I acquired a reconditioned Woodward Governor (mdl: 210582) for my I/
> O 540 C2C with a Hoffman prop. The prop and governor came off of an
> I/O 540 engine. This model has an oil AN fitting on the top, I'm
> assuming for an oil input (return?). It has the normal screened oil
> races on the mounting plate and I have mounted it on the front of
> the engine.
>
> I am trying to determine what to do with this AN oil fitting,
> assuming a hose is require to somewhere on the engine? I have tried
> to search the web for any installation manuals or other sources of
> information, without success.
>
> Does anyone have any information or knowledge on this style of
> governor? Any help would be appreciated.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Nick
>
> --------
> Nick Leonard
> RV-10 (40015) Finish
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=265857#265857
>
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| Subject: | Re: Woodward Governor - need help |
ooo, that's not good news. So do you have any install info on how it was supposed
to be connected (the AN fitting on top)?
Has anyone else tried to deal with this?
Thanks Kevin for sharing.
--------
Nick Leonard
RV-10 (40015) Finish
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| Subject: | Re: Before Closing Up The Bottom Skins? |
Well, actually they know I'm nuts. I wear an old set of aviation style
Peltor ANRs when mowing the lawn. The cords wore out a long time ago
but the ANR battery is actually in the ear cup. Very nicely designed
units - they fold up nicely, the battery in the cup, detachable cords -
but they just didn't perform all that well compared to the Bose I use
now. And the cords kept wearing out.
So I wear the Peltors when out in the yard and sometimes slip some
earbuds underneath for music. That really looks geeky!
They all know I'm nuts but fortunately I live in an airport community
where that's par for the course.
Bill
RV Builder (Michael Sausen) wrote:
>
> At least the neighbors don't look at you like you're nuts for mowing the lawn
with an ANR headset on. Let's me listen to some music and keeps me from going
deaf, well, from the lawnmower at least. :)
>
> Michael
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Mauledriver Watson
> Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 8:48 AM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Before Closing Up The Bottom Skins?
>
>
> You like that 'eh? I got that headset as some sort of thank you gift.
> It worked well but since I prefer Web listening, I just used the ANC.
> That is until I was doing some job near whirling machinery and decided
> it was safer to give up the ANC... so I snipped the cord off.
>
> The real challenge was getting a wireless internet signal into a metal
> hangar 200 yards from the router. I'll have to post a picture of my
> "Cantenna".
>
> Bill "who doesn't think he could build this thing without Web access in
> the shop" Watson
>
> do not archive
>
> Perry, Phil wrote:
>
>>
>> Hey Bill,
>>
>> ANC in the shop? Maybe a MP3 player in the mix too?
>>
>> Now that's hearing protection!
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Bill Mauledriver Watson [mailto:MauleDriver@nc.rr.com]
>> Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 9:27 PM
>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Before Closing Up The Bottom Skins?
>>
>> FWIW - I think I made similar comments previously but - I did mine in a
>> vertical stand, one person.
>> I found that a small tungsten bar was very handy but not exclusively.
>> The lighter, bigger iron bucking blocks were also useful Thank Deems for
>> the safety wire technique to hold up the skins (see photo if I
>> successfully attached one) Remember to check that the skin doesn't
>> overlap or bind on the leading edge skins - I had to file mine down to
>> fit well - It's painful if you find out too late
>>
>>
>>
>> Patrick Pulis wrote:
>>
>>
>>> John, did you have any issues with bucking the rivets?
>>>
>>> Any tips for rivetting the bottom wing skins?
>>>
>>> Many thanks for your response John.
>>>
>>> Regards
>>>
>>> Pat
>>>
>>> Do Not Archive
>>>
>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> --
>>> *From:* johngoodman <johngoodman@earthlink.net>
>>> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, 29 September, 2009 10:41:44 PM
>>> *Subject:* RV10-List: Re: Before Closing Up The Bottom Skins?
>>>
>>> <johngoodman@earthlink.net <mailto:johngoodman@earthlink.net>>
>>>
>>> To answer your question, I installed everything, including the push
>>> rods before closing.
>>> John
>>>
>>> --------
>>> #40572 QB Fuselage, wings finished. Finish Kit progressing. Engine
>>> & Panel delivery soon.
>>> N711JG reserved
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Read this topic online here:
>>>
>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=265529#26552r?RV10-List"
>>> target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List
>>>
>>>
>>> <http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=265529#265529>
>>>
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| Subject: | Re: Woodward Governor - need help |
Nick,
I initially tried a "serviceable" Woodward governor. It didn't have a
fitting on top like you're describing but it did have what looked like a
pipe plug. I think it was a cover for some kind of bench
adjustment--nothing I would ever have to change.
The plug interfered with the cowl, so I cored the de-cored the top skin and
with that it just barely fit. I probably was contacting under some
conditions.
I replaced it after about 75 hours because it started leaking pretty badly.
I got the gov from Van's and it's been trouble free.
Dave Saylor
AirCrafters LLC
140 Aviation Way
Watsonville, CA 95076
831-722-9141 Shop
831-750-0284 Cell
On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 11:12 AM, Nick Leonard <nick@nleonard.com> wrote:
>
> ooo, that's not good news. So do you have any install info on how it was
> supposed to be connected (the AN fitting on top)?
>
> Has anyone else tried to deal with this?
>
> Thanks Kevin for sharing.
>
> --------
> Nick Leonard
> RV-10 (40015) Finish
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=265886#265886
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: High Oil temps |
| From: | "bill@airflow" <airflow2@cox.net> |
To those challenged with high oil temps on your RV-10, Airflow Systems (not Airflow
Performance, a common mistake) offers the use of our digital manometer for
free for one week to RV-10 owners and others (you pay freight and insurance
both ways). This is available even if you do not have one of our 2006X or 2008X
oil coolers.
With the help of many RV-10 owners we have found the following from our testing:
The stock RV-10 and James cowl do not have the desired pressure differential for
optimum cylinder and oil cooling, as supplied.
Adding louvers on the side of the cowl offers the biggest improvement in pressure
differential for the effort, appearance is a personal issue.
The stock Vans inlets are larger than necessary for stock engines, exit area flow
needs improvement if you are going to use all of the RV-10s performance potential.
We have reduced the inlet area on a -10 in Texas with no adverse effects.
It has side louvers and (our) air conditioning.
The biggest problems come from the tightest plenums. The air must have an area
to slow down and build pressure to improve the differential.
There is room for improvement in the Vans oil cooler installation which forces
the air through 360 degrees of direction changes.
NACA ducts are not optimal for oil coolers.
Normally I stay off the forums as a supplier but I see a lot of suggestions that
we have already tested and I offer this info as a time saver.
After today I will not be able to answer emails until Tuesday.
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| Subject: | Re: High Oil temps |
| From: | "bill@airflow" <airflow2@cox.net> |
To add to my previous post, we tried the lips on the cowl exit, with zero benefit,
on two different aircraft.
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| Subject: | Re: Woodward Governor - need help |
Nick, get rid of the Woodward...parts and info are hard to come by and
therefore expensive to overhaul or repair.
Suggest the MT, McCauley or PCU5000 governor replacements.
John 40315 VH-XIO
----- Original Message -----
From: "Nick Leonard" <nick@nleonard.com>
Sent: Friday, October 02, 2009 1:41 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Woodward Governor - need help
>
> I acquired a reconditioned Woodward Governor (mdl: 210582) for my I/O 540
> C2C with a Hoffman prop. The prop and governor came off of an I/O 540
> engine. This model has an oil AN fitting on the top, I'm assuming for an
> oil input (return?). It has the normal screened oil races on the mounting
> plate and I have mounted it on the front of the engine.
>
> I am trying to determine what to do with this AN oil fitting, assuming a
> hose is require to somewhere on the engine? I have tried to search the
> web for any installation manuals or other sources of information, without
> success.
>
> Does anyone have any information or knowledge on this style of governor?
> Any help would be appreciated.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Nick
>
> --------
> Nick Leonard
> RV-10 (40015) Finish
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=265857#265857
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Copperstate RV10 nest |
Myron, how come this is the last RV10 nest at Copperstate????-- We book
ed to many "getaways" already,,, so we're not going to be able to make it..
...- I would have liked to put in my book that I attended all the RV10 ne
sts held.... in this case, that would be both of them.
Don McDonald
--- On Sun, 9/27/09, woxofswa <woxof@aol.com> wrote:
From: woxofswa <woxof@aol.com>
Subject: RV10-List: Copperstate RV10 nest
The second (and last), annual RV10 nest at Copperstate is a go.
Should be set up by Friday morning through Sat night for a shady place to r
elax.
Carne Asada mid day Saturday until its gone.- Would like to get a rough h
ead count for planning purposes.
--------
Myron Nelson
Mesa, AZ
Emp completed, legacy build fuse in progress
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| Subject: | Control column mounts |
Wow, I thought this would have been a simple question, but no response.
Perhaps it was lost in the regular mail, so I'll send this again:
I'm about at this step, and Phil's QB feedback prompted this question
from me:
Is there any reason (other than to save weight) for trimming the control
column mounts? Would it cause interference problems with anything later?
Here's the step (copied from Phil's email)
28-4 Step #1) Radius the corners and remove material from the middle of
both control column mounts. (Remove hatched area).
-Jim 40384
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| Subject: | Re: Woodward Governor - need help |
Kevin, John and Dave;
Thanks for the feedback. Between the issues of fitting the governor and finding
any kind of installation documentation, I'm coming to the realization that my
great buy on a three bladed prop and governor (plus having them overhauled) wasn't
as good a buy as I had hoped for. I'm checking to see if the MT Governor
that Van's offers will work with this prop. I have emails into both MT and
Hoffman. Thanks again for responding.
Nick
--------
Nick Leonard
RV-10 (40015) Finish
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| Subject: | Re: High Oil temps |
Bill, thanks for surfacing on the RV10 forum and the offer of the
manometer. That is MOST Generous.
One question you leave hanging is why would the High pressure plenum of
a James Cowl be less or equal than a stock High Pressure Vans? I would
think the enclosed pressure plenum would help in several ways.
Your most notable comment is the 360 degrees of convoluted distortions
of airflow so the cooler could be mounted on the firewall. The design
reasoning was the high number of cracked rear metal baffles in the other
Vans lineup. I would surmise that you support a rear metal baffle mount
with your units. Airflow contains energy and the management and
extraction of that unit is a valued pursuit.
I am a fan of LoPresti and hence a strong advocate for controllable
outflow of the low pressure side to configure for differing angles of
attack. They are also strong proponents of tweaking with the manometer.
Thanks again.
John Cox
#40600
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of bill@airflow
Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2009 12:54 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: High Oil temps
To those challenged with high oil temps on your RV-10, Airflow Systems
(not Airflow Performance, a common mistake) offers the use of our
digital manometer for free for one week to RV-10 owners and others (you
pay freight and insurance both ways). This is available even if you do
not have one of our 2006X or 2008X oil coolers.
With the help of many RV-10 owners we have found the following from our
testing:
The stock RV-10 and James cowl do not have the desired pressure
differential for optimum cylinder and oil cooling, as supplied.
Adding louvers on the side of the cowl offers the biggest improvement in
pressure differential for the effort, appearance is a personal issue.
The stock Vans inlets are larger than necessary for stock engines, exit
area flow needs improvement if you are going to use all of the RV-10s
performance potential. We have reduced the inlet area on a -10 in Texas
with no adverse effects. It has side louvers and (our) air conditioning.
The biggest problems come from the tightest plenums. The air must have
an area to slow down and build pressure to improve the differential.
There is room for improvement in the Vans oil cooler installation which
forces the air through 360 degrees of direction changes.
NACA ducts are not optimal for oil coolers.
Normally I stay off the forums as a supplier but I see a lot of
suggestions that we have already tested and I offer this info as a time
saver.
After today I will not be able to answer emails until Tuesday.
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| Subject: | Re: Before Closing Up The Bottom Skins? |
Your methods beat watching the majority of my aviator friends (Over 50)
who wear costly and uncomfortable hearing aid to understand normal
speech. (It wasn't macho in the 70's and 80's to wear enhanced
protection. We have come far enough that the effort is worthy of the
Geeky neighbor comments. Soon enough they won't be able to hear the
mowers, blowers and other conveniences.
Keep up the auditory safety.
John
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill
Mauledriver Watson
Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2009 11:41 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Before Closing Up The Bottom Skins?
<MauleDriver@nc.rr.com>
Well, actually they know I'm nuts. I wear an old set of aviation style
Peltor ANRs when mowing the lawn. The cords wore out a long time ago
but the ANR battery is actually in the ear cup. Very nicely designed
units - they fold up nicely, the battery in the cup, detachable cords -
but they just didn't perform all that well compared to the Bose I use
now. And the cords kept wearing out.
So I wear the Peltors when out in the yard and sometimes slip some
earbuds underneath for music. That really looks geeky!
They all know I'm nuts but fortunately I live in an airport community
where that's par for the course.
Bill
RV Builder (Michael Sausen) wrote:
<rvbuilder@sausen.net>
>
> At least the neighbors don't look at you like you're nuts for mowing
the lawn with an ANR headset on. Let's me listen to some music and
keeps me from going deaf, well, from the lawnmower at least. :)
>
> Michael
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill
Mauledriver Watson
> Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 8:48 AM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Before Closing Up The Bottom Skins?
>
<MauleDriver@nc.rr.com>
>
> You like that 'eh? I got that headset as some sort of thank you gift.
> It worked well but since I prefer Web listening, I just used the ANC.
> That is until I was doing some job near whirling machinery and decided
> it was safer to give up the ANC... so I snipped the cord off.
>
> The real challenge was getting a wireless internet signal into a metal
> hangar 200 yards from the router. I'll have to post a picture of my
> "Cantenna".
>
> Bill "who doesn't think he could build this thing without Web access
in
> the shop" Watson
>
> do not archive
>
> Perry, Phil wrote:
>
<Phil.Perry@netapp.com>
>>
>> Hey Bill,
>>
>> ANC in the shop? Maybe a MP3 player in the mix too?
>>
>> Now that's hearing protection!
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Bill Mauledriver Watson [mailto:MauleDriver@nc.rr.com]
>> Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 9:27 PM
>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Before Closing Up The Bottom Skins?
>>
>> FWIW - I think I made similar comments previously but - I did mine in
a
>> vertical stand, one person.
>> I found that a small tungsten bar was very handy but not exclusively.
>> The lighter, bigger iron bucking blocks were also useful Thank Deems
for
>> the safety wire technique to hold up the skins (see photo if I
>> successfully attached one) Remember to check that the skin doesn't
>> overlap or bind on the leading edge skins - I had to file mine down
to
>> fit well - It's painful if you find out too late
>>
>>
>>
>> Patrick Pulis wrote:
>>
>>
>>> John, did you have any issues with bucking the rivets?
>>>
>>> Any tips for rivetting the bottom wing skins?
>>>
>>> Many thanks for your response John.
>>>
>>> Regards
>>>
>>> Pat
>>>
>>> Do Not Archive
>>>
>>>
----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> --
>>> *From:* johngoodman <johngoodman@earthlink.net>
>>> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, 29 September, 2009 10:41:44 PM
>>> *Subject:* RV10-List: Re: Before Closing Up The Bottom Skins?
>>>
>>> <johngoodman@earthlink.net <mailto:johngoodman@earthlink.net>>
>>>
>>> To answer your question, I installed everything, including the push
>>> rods before closing.
>>> John
>>>
>>> --------
>>> #40572 QB Fuselage, wings finished. Finish Kit progressing. Engine
>>> & Panel delivery soon.
>>> N711JG reserved
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Read this topic online here:
>>>
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>>>
>>>
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| Subject: | Re: High Oil temps |
| From: | "bill@airflow" <airflow2@cox.net> |
Plenums can be very useful, we are working on one for the RV-10 now, as are others.
The issue is the volume in the plenum. Ideally you want the air to enter
through a small inlet, trade velocity for increased pressure, and exit into
a low pressure area that tries to accelerate the air to ambient velocity as it
exits. Compare the volume of some of the aftermarket plenums to Van's volume
above the cylinders, and the related performance, and you can see that not all
plenums are improvements.
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=265943#265943
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| Subject: | Re: Before Closing Up The Bottom Skins? |
I am one of those types that didn't wear protection, generally speaking,
for their initial training. In 1970 during my first training flights, I
wasn't even aware that ear protection was an option. Understanding the
radio was a major challenge but seemed to be just another part of the art.
Maybe that's why I just flew gliders for so many years.
Bill "wiring.... again" Watson
John Cox wrote:
>
> Your methods beat watching the majority of my aviator friends (Over 50)
> who wear costly and uncomfortable hearing aid to understand normal
> speech. (It wasn't macho in the 70's and 80's to wear enhanced
> protection. We have come far enough that the effort is worthy of the
> Geeky neighbor comments. Soon enough they won't be able to hear the
> mowers, blowers and other conveniences.
>
> Keep up the auditory safety.
>
> John
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill
> Mauledriver Watson
> Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2009 11:41 AM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Before Closing Up The Bottom Skins?
>
> <MauleDriver@nc.rr.com>
>
> Well, actually they know I'm nuts. I wear an old set of aviation style
> Peltor ANRs when mowing the lawn. The cords wore out a long time ago
> but the ANR battery is actually in the ear cup. Very nicely designed
> units - they fold up nicely, the battery in the cup, detachable cords -
> but they just didn't perform all that well compared to the Bose I use
> now. And the cords kept wearing out.
>
> So I wear the Peltors when out in the yard and sometimes slip some
> earbuds underneath for music. That really looks geeky!
>
> They all know I'm nuts but fortunately I live in an airport community
> where that's par for the course.
>
> Bill
>
>
> RV Builder (Michael Sausen) wrote:
>
>
>>
> <rvbuilder@sausen.net>
>
>> At least the neighbors don't look at you like you're nuts for mowing
>>
> the lawn with an ANR headset on. Let's me listen to some music and
> keeps me from going deaf, well, from the lawnmower at least. :)
>
>> Michael
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>>
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill
> Mauledriver Watson
>
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 8:48 AM
>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Before Closing Up The Bottom Skins?
>>
>>
> <MauleDriver@nc.rr.com>
>
>> You like that 'eh? I got that headset as some sort of thank you gift.
>>
>
>
>> It worked well but since I prefer Web listening, I just used the ANC.
>>
>
>
>> That is until I was doing some job near whirling machinery and decided
>>
>
>
>> it was safer to give up the ANC... so I snipped the cord off.
>>
>> The real challenge was getting a wireless internet signal into a metal
>>
>
>
>> hangar 200 yards from the router. I'll have to post a picture of my
>> "Cantenna".
>>
>> Bill "who doesn't think he could build this thing without Web access
>>
> in
>
>> the shop" Watson
>>
>> do not archive
>>
>> Perry, Phil wrote:
>>
>>
>>>
> <Phil.Perry@netapp.com>
>
>>> Hey Bill,
>>>
>>> ANC in the shop? Maybe a MP3 player in the mix too?
>>>
>>> Now that's hearing protection!
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Bill Mauledriver Watson [mailto:MauleDriver@nc.rr.com]
>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 9:27 PM
>>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>>> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Before Closing Up The Bottom Skins?
>>>
>>> FWIW - I think I made similar comments previously but - I did mine in
>>>
> a
>
>>> vertical stand, one person.
>>> I found that a small tungsten bar was very handy but not exclusively.
>>>
>
>
>>> The lighter, bigger iron bucking blocks were also useful Thank Deems
>>>
> for
>
>>> the safety wire technique to hold up the skins (see photo if I
>>> successfully attached one) Remember to check that the skin doesn't
>>> overlap or bind on the leading edge skins - I had to file mine down
>>>
> to
>
>>> fit well - It's painful if you find out too late
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Patrick Pulis wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> John, did you have any issues with bucking the rivets?
>>>>
>>>> Any tips for rivetting the bottom wing skins?
>>>>
>>>> Many thanks for your response John.
>>>>
>>>> Regards
>>>>
>>>> Pat
>>>>
>>>> Do Not Archive
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>>>> --
>>>> *From:* johngoodman <johngoodman@earthlink.net>
>>>> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com
>>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, 29 September, 2009 10:41:44 PM
>>>> *Subject:* RV10-List: Re: Before Closing Up The Bottom Skins?
>>>>
>>>> <johngoodman@earthlink.net <mailto:johngoodman@earthlink.net>>
>>>>
>>>> To answer your question, I installed everything, including the push
>>>> rods before closing.
>>>> John
>>>>
>>>> --------
>>>> #40572 QB Fuselage, wings finished. Finish Kit progressing. Engine
>>>> & Panel delivery soon.
>>>> N711JG reserved
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Read this topic online here:
>>>>
>>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=265529#26552r?RV10-List"
>>>>
>
>
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>>>>
>>>>
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| Subject: | Another QB 10 Issue - Longeron Length (again) |
Since I found some mid-fuse longerons that were too long, I thought I'd
double check the primary ones that attach to the tailcone. Checking the
lengths on those was something I never thought about doing.
Good thing I did - or so I think.
Attached is a photo of the right side longeron. The line in the photo
is where I believe the longeron should be cut (49 23/32") per 29-2 Step
#1. As you can see, the longerons are more than 4" too long.
Which brings me to two interesting questions.
1) For those of you who have slow-built and not attached to the
tailcone yet; How far do yours stick out past the side skin? Is my mark
close to right?
2) I wonder how many other folks missed this step and now have an
RV-10 QB's with the tailcone and fwd fuse attached at the wrong point.
Phil
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| Subject: | Re: Control column mounts |
Looking at my pictures, I don't think there is anything that would get in the way.
Not sure why you don't want to remove it. I didn't have any problems removing
the material and then finishing it.
I would suggest following the plans.
--------
Gary Blankenbiller
RV10 - # 40674
(N2GB Flying)
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| Subject: | Re: Woodward Governor - need help |
The Woodward will work. There is only a flush plug on top and no hoses atta
ched anywhere. However, mine just started leaking about a teaspoon every 5-
10 hours. I'll remove it at next oil change and make a decision to replace
it with an MT or not. Probably follow Dave S and scrap it.
-
Bill DeRouchey
N939SB
315 trouble-free hours prior to leak
--- On Thu, 10/1/09, John Dunne <acs@acspropeller.com.au> wrote:
From: John Dunne <acs@acspropeller.com.au>
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Woodward Governor - need help
Nick, get rid of the Woodward...parts and info are hard to come by and ther
efore expensive to overhaul or repair.
Suggest the MT, McCauley or PCU5000 governor replacements.
John 40315 VH-XIO
----- Original Message ----- From: "Nick Leonard" <nick@nleonard.com>
Sent: Friday, October 02, 2009 1:41 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Woodward Governor - need help
>
> I acquired a reconditioned Woodward Governor (mdl:- 210582) for my I/O
540 C2C with a Hoffman prop.- The prop and governor came off of an I/O 54
0 engine.- This model has an oil AN fitting on the top, I'm assuming for
an oil input (return?).- It has the normal screened oil races on the moun
ting plate and I have mounted it on the front of the engine.
>
> I am trying to determine what to do with this AN oil fitting, assuming a
hose is require to somewhere on the engine?- I have tried to search the w
eb for any installation manuals or other sources of information, without su
ccess.
>
> Does anyone have any information or knowledge on this style of governor?
Any help would be appreciated.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Nick
>
> --------
> Nick Leonard
> RV-10 (40015) Finish
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=265857#265857
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
le, List Admin.
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| Subject: | Re: Woodward Governor - need help |
You might talk to a prop shop first, maybe even a couple. Woodwards used to
be the gold standard for governors. See what they say about inspect and
reseal or overhaul.
On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 7:05 PM, Bill DeRouchey <billderou@yahoo.com> wrote:
> The Woodward will work. There is only a flush plug on top and no hoses
> attached anywhere. However, mine just started leaking about a teaspoon every
> 5-10 hours. I'll remove it at next oil change and make a decision to replace
> it with an MT or not. Probably follow Dave S and scrap it.
>
> Bill DeRouchey
> N939SB
> 315 trouble-free hours prior to leak
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: High Oil temps |
I have the James Plenum and as a last ditch effort added ~25% more
volume to our plenum based on the greater volume concept and found ZERO
improvement. Obviously we have the aerodynamic knowledge of most 12 year
olds but I did expect to see some improvement or at least some change.
I believe we borrowed Bill's manometer which was extremely helpful in
sorting out DP issues.
Robin
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of bill@airflow
Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2009 4:58 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: High Oil temps
Plenums can be very useful, we are working on one for the RV-10 now, as
are others. The issue is the volume in the plenum. Ideally you want
the air to enter through a small inlet, trade velocity for increased
pressure, and exit into a low pressure area that tries to accelerate the
air to ambient velocity as it exits. Compare the volume of some of the
aftermarket plenums to Van's volume above the cylinders, and the related
performance, and you can see that not all plenums are improvements.
Read this topic online here:
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| Subject: | Official RV10-List FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) |
Dear Listers,
Please read over the RV10-List Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) below. The
complete RV10-List FAQ including the Usage Guidelines can be found at the
following URL:
http://www.matronics.com/FAQs/RV10-List.FAQ.html
Thank you,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
[ Note: This FAQ was designed to be displayed with a fixed width font such as
Courier. Proportional fonts will cause display formatting errors. ]
This FAQ can also be viewed in HTML online at the following address:
http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/RV10-List.htm
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******* LIST POLICIES AND FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS *******
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PLEASE READ. This document contains RV10-List policies and information
for new and old subscribers. Understanding the RV10-List policies will
minimize problems for the Administrator, and will help keep the RV10-List
running smoothly for all of us.
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*** Quick Start Guide to List Features ***
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There are many features available on the Matronics Email Lists and each
one is described in detailed below. However, using the List Navigator
you can quickly access the complete set of features available for this
List. The List Navigator can be found at the following URL:
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List
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*** How to Subscribe and Unsubscribe ***
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Simply go to the Web Page shown below and enter your email address and
select the List(s) that you wish to subscribe or unsubscribed from. You
may also use the handy "Find" function to determine the exact syntax of
your email address as it is subscribed to the List. Please see the
complete instructions at the top of the Web Page for more information.
The Subscribe/Unsubscribe web page is:
http://www.matronics.com/subscribe
Note that you will receive TWO conformation emails regarding your subsciption
process. The first verifies that your subscription/unsubsciption request
was received, and the second confirms that the process has been completed.
You should receive the first email within a few minutes of your request.
The second conformation will arrive in less than 24 hours. You cannot post
until you receive the second conformation email message.
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*** How to Post a Message ***
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Send an email message to:
rv10-list@matronics.com
Your message will be redistributed to everyone currently subscribed
to the List.
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*** SPAM Fighter - You Must be Subscribed to Post ***
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When a new post is received by the system, the From: line of the message
is checked and compared against the current subscription list. If the
email address is found, the message is passed on to the List Processor.
If the email address isn't found in the current list of subscribers, it
is dumped. This serves to very effectively thwart 99% of the SPAM that
gets posted to the Lists.
Remember, however, that the syntax of your email address is very important
with regard to the configuration of your email application such as Outlook
or Eudora. For example, the following two email addresses may be
functionally equivalent, but only one would pass the Matronics Email SPAM
test depending on which was syntax was subscribed to the given List:
smith@machine.domain.com
smith@domain.com
Either email address syntax is alright, just be sure that you configure
your email application to match *exactly* the address you've subscibed to
the List.
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*** Enclosure Support on the Lists ***
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Limited posting of enclosures such as pictures, documents, and spreadsheets
is supported on the Lists. There are a number of restrictions, and these
are detailed below. Please abide by the rules put forth regarding the
content of enclosures.
These are some of the features and limits of enclosures on the Matronics
Lists:
1) Enclosures will only be posted to the Real Time version of the Lists.
2) Enclosures will NOT be included in the Daily Digest version of the Lists.
3) Enclosures WILL BE forwarded on to the BBS Forum Web site.
4) Enclosures will NOT be appended to the Archives.
5) Enclosures will NOT be available in the List Browse feature.
6) Only the following file types and extensions will be allowed:
bmp doc dwg dxf gif jpg pdf png txt xls
All other enclosures types will be rejected and email returned to
sender. The enclosure types listed above are relatively safe from
a virus standpoint and don't pose a particularly large security risk.
7) !! All incoming enclosures will be scanned for viruses prior to posting
to the List. This is done in real time and will not slow down
the process of posting the message !!
Here are some rules for posting enclosures. Failure to abide by these rules
could result in the removal of a subscriber's email address from the Lists.
1) Pay attention to what you are posting!! Make sure that the files
you are enclosing aren't HUGE (greater that 1MB). Remember that there
are still people checking they're email via dial up modem. If you post
30MB worth of pictures, you are placing an unnecessary burden on these
folks and the rest of us, for that matter.
2) SCALE YOUR PICTURES DOWN!!! I don't want to see huge 3000 x 2000
pictures getting posted that are 3 or 4MB each. This is just
unacceptable. Use a program such as Photoshop to scale the picture
down to something on the order of 800 x 600 and try to keep the
file size to less-than 200KB, preferably much less.
Microsoft has a really awesome utility available for free that allows
you to Right-Click on a picture in Explorer and automatically
scale it down and resave it. This is a great utility - get it, use it!
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/downloads/powertoys/xppowertoys.mspx
Look for the link "Image Resizer"
3) !! This would seem to go without saying, but I'll say it anyway. Do not
post anything that would be considered offensive by your grandmother.
And you know what I'm saying; I don't want to see anything even
questionable. !!
4) REMEMBER THIS: If you post a 1MB enclosure to a List with 1000 members
subscribed, your 1MB enclosure must be resent 1000 times amounting
to 1MB X 1000 = 1 Gigabyte of network traffic!! BE CAREFUL and
BE COURTEOUS!
Also see the section below on the Matronics Photo and File Share where
you can have your files and photos posted on the Matronics web server
for long time viewing and availability.
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*** Digest Mode ***
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Each day, starting at 12 midnight PST US, a new 'digest' will be started.
This digest will contain the same information that is currently appended
to the archive file. It has all of the headers except for the "From:"
and "Subject:" lines removed, and includes a message separator consisting
of a line of underscores.
Each day at 23:55 PST US, the day's messages as described above will be
combined and sent as a single message to everyone on the digest email list.
To subscribe to the digest list, use the same subscription web form
described above, and just select the Digest version of the List.
http://www.matronics.com/subscribe
Note that you *can* be subscribed to both the realtime and digest versions
of the List at the same time. This is perfectly acceptable.
Now some caveats:
* Messages sent to "rv10-list-digest" will be forwarded to the standard
email list. In other words, you cannot post messages only to the
digest List.
* If you are subscribed to both the regular List and the digest List, you
will receive the realtime postings as well as the digest at the end of
the day.
* If you reply to the digest email, your message will be forwarded to the
normal list associated with the digest. Important Note: Please change
the subject line to reflect the topic of your response! Also, please
*do not include all or most of the digest in your reply*.
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*** List Digest Browser ***
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An archive of all the List Digests can be found online in either plain text
or HTML format. These archives contain the exact Digest that was posted to
the Digest email list on the given day. The Digest Archives can be found
at the following location:
http://www.matronics.com/digest
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*** The "DO NOT ARCHIVE" Message Flag ***
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At times, your message may concern something that is revelent only to a very
small number of persons or to a limited area, and you may not wish to archive
it. In such a case, simply put the following phrase anywhere in the
message:
do not archive
Your message will not be appended to the archive, but will be sent to List
email distribution as normal.
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***** READ THIS - Automatic Unsubscribes *****
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Note that if your email address begins to cause problems such as bounced
email, mailbox is filled, or any other errors, your address will be promptly
removed from the List. If you discover that you are no longer receiving
messages from the RV10-List, go to the following Web page, and look
for your email address and a possible reason for your removal.
The Matronics Email List uses utility called the "Email Weasel" that
automatically looks though the day's bounced email for addresses that
caused problems due to common things like "user is unknown", "mailbox
full", etc. If the Email Weasel removes your email address from the
Lists you will find record of it at the following URL:
http://www.matronics.com/unsubscribed
If the problem listed on the web site above has been resolved, please feel
free to resubscribe to the Lists of your choice.
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*** List Member Information ***
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If you have not done so already, please email me your phone numbers and
paper mail address in the following format:
smith@somehost.com
Joe Smith
123 Airport Lane
Tower, CA 91234-1234
098-765-1234 w
123-456-7890 h
Please forward this information to the following email address:
requests@matronics.com
I have a file of such things, that I typically use to contact you when
there are problems with your email address. The information will NOT
be used for any other commercial purpose.
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*** Realtime Web Email List Browsing ***
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Recent messages posted to the RV10-List are also made available on
the Web for realtime browsing. Seven days worth of back postings are
available with this feature. The messages can be sorted by Subject,
Author, Date, or Message Thread. The Realtime List Browser indexes are
updated twice per hour at xx:15 and xx:45. You can also reply to a message
or start a new message directly from the List Browser Interface (coming soon).
You do not have to be subscribed to the given list to use the List
Browser Interface in view-mode.
http://www.matronics.com/browselist/rv10-list
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*** Web Forums Bulletin Board Interface ***
*******************************************
A phpBB BBS web Forums front end is available for all RV10-List content.
content. The Forums contain all of the same content available via the email
distribution and found on the various archive viewing formats such as the
List Browse, etc. Any posts on the web Forums will be cross posted to the
respective email List, and posts to the Email List will be cross posted to
the web Forums.
You may view all List content on the Forums without any special login.
If you wish to post a message via the Web Forum interface, however, you
will need to Register. This is a simple process that takes only a few
minutes. A link to the Registration page can be found at the top of the
main web Forums page. Note that registering on the Forum web site also
enables you to send email posts to the Lists as well. You will also need to
Subscribe to the respective Email List as described above to receive the
Email Distribution of the List, however.
The Matroincs Email List Web BBS Forums can be found at the following URL:
http://forums.matronics.com
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*** Matronics Email List Wiki ***
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In an attempt to make it easy to store and find structured and often accessed
information, Matronics has installed a Wiki at:
http://wiki.matronics.com
The Wiki allows individuals to create web pages to contain useful information
for other users of the mailing lists and web site. Unlike an ordinary web page
where the content needs to be submitted to Matronics for inclusion, the Wiki
permits the users to construct their own pages and have them visible immediately.
While constructing pages for the Wiki is not difficult, some may not be
comfortable building pages. In that case, simply prepare the text and any
images and email it to:
wiki-support@matronics.com
One of the volunteers on that list will take your submission and construct
a Wiki page for you.
Often someone produces a particularly useful posting in email one one of the
Lists that would be of general interest. In that case Matronics may take that
post and convert it into a Wiki page.
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*** List Archives ***
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A file containing of all of the previous postings to the RV10-List is
available on line. The archive file information is available via the
Web and FTP in a number of forms. Each are briefly described below:
* RV10-List.FAQ
- Latest version of the RV10-List Frequently Asked Question
page (this document).
* RV10-Archive.digest.complete
- Complete file with most of the email header info removed and
page breaks inserted between messages.
* RV10-Archive.digest.vol-??
- Same as the file above, but broken up into small sections that
can more easily handled.
* RV10-Archive.digest.complete.zip
- Same as the RV10-Archive.digest.complete file above, but
in PKZIP format. Use "binary" data transfer methods.
* RV10-Archive.digest.complete.Z
- Same as the RV10-Archive.digest.complete file above, but in
UNIX compress format. Use "binary" data transfer methods.
Download Via FTP
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The archive file is available via anonymous FTP from ftp.matronics.com
in the "/pub/Archives" directory. It is updated daily and can be found in
a number of formats as described above. (All filenames are case sensitive.)
ftp://ftp.matronics.com/pub/Archives
Download Via Web
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The archives are also available via a web listing. These can be found
toward the bottom of the following web page:
http://www.matronics.com/archives
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*** Complete List Web Archive Browsing ***
******************************************
All messages posted to the RV10-List are also available using the
Email List Archive Browsing feature. With this utility, all messages
in the List are indexed, and individual sub-archives can be browsed.
http://www.matronics.com/archive/archive-index.cgi?RV10
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**** High-Speed Archive Search Engine ***
*****************************************
You can use the custom, high-performance Matronics Email List Search Engine
to quickly locate and browse any messages that have been posted to the
List. The Engine allows the user to easily search any of the currently
available List archives.
http://www.matronics.com/search
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*** File and Photo Share ***
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With the Matronics Email List File and Photo Share you can share pictures
and other data with members of the List without having to forward a
copy of it to everyone. To share your Files and Photos, simply email
them to:
pictures@matronics.com
!! ==> Please including the following information with each submission:
1) Email Lists that they are related to.
2) Your Full Name.
3) Your Email Address.
4) One line Subject description.
5) Multi-line, multi-paragraph description of topic.
6-x) One-line Description of each photo or file
Prior to public availability of the files and photos, each will be scanned
for viruses. Please also note that the process of making the files and
photos available on the web site is a pseudo-manual process, and I try to
process them every few days.
Following the availability of the new Photoshare, an email message will be
sent to the Email Lists enumerated in 1) above indicating that the new
Share is available and what the direct URL to it is.
For a current list of available Photoshares, have a look at the Main
Index Page:
http://www.matronics.com/photoshare
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*** List Archive CDROM ***
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A complete Matronics Email List Archive CD is available that contains
all of the archives since the beginning of each of the Lists. The archives
for all of the Lists are included on the CD along with a freeware search
engine written by a list member. The CD is burned the day you order it
and will contain archive received up to the last minute. They make
great gifts!
http://www.matronics.com/ArchiveCDROM
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*** List Support Contributions ***
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The Matronics Lists are run *completely* through the support of it members.
You won't find any PopUpAds, flashing Banner ads, or any other form of
annoying commercialism on either the Email Messages or the List web pages
associated with the Matronics Email Lists. Every year during November
I run a low-key, low-pressure "Fund Raiser" where, throughout the month,
I ask List members to make a Contribution in any amount with which they
are comfortable.
I will often offer free gifts with certain contribution levels during the
Fund Raiser to increase the participation. The gifts are usually donated
by companies that are themselves List members.
Your Contributions go directly to supporting the operation of the Lists
including the high-speed, business-class Internet connection, server
system hardware and software upgrades, and to partially offset the many
many hours I spend running, maintaining, upgrading, and developing the
variety of services found here.
Generally Contributions range from $20 to $100 and are completely voluntary
and non-compulsory. I ask only that if person enjoys the Lists and obtains
value from them, that they make a Contribution of equal magnitude.
Contributions are accepted throughout the year, and if you've just
subscribed, feel free to make a Contribution when you've settled in.
The website for making SSL Secure Contributions is listed below. There are
a variety of payment methods including Visa and MasterCard, PayPal, and
sending a personal check.
If you enjoy and value the List, won't you make a Contribution today to
support its continued operation?
http://www.matronics.com/contributions
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Email List Administrator
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RV10-List Usage Guidelines
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The following details the official Usage Guidelines for the RV10-List.
You are encouraged to read it carefully, and to abide by the rules therein.
Failure to use the RV10-List in the manner described below may result
in the removal of the subscribers from the List.
RV10-List Policy Statement
The purpose of the RV10-List is to provide a forum of discussion for
things related to this particular discussion group. The List's goals
are to serve as an information resource to its members; to deliver
high-quality content; to provide moral support; to foster camaraderie
among its members; and to support safe operation. Reaching these goals
requires the participation and cooperation of each and every member of
the List. To this end, the following guidelines have been established:
- Please keep all posts related to the List at some level. Do not submit
posts concerning computer viruses, urban legends, random humor, long
lost buddies' phone numbers, etc. etc.
- THINK carefully before you write. Ask yourself if your post will be
relevant to everyone. If you have to wonder about that, DON'T send it.
- Remember that your post will be included for posterity in an archive
that is growing in size at an extraordinary rate. Try to be concise and
terse in your posts. Avoid overly wordy and lengthy posts and
responses.
- Keep your signature brief. Please include your name, email address,
aircraft type/tail number, and geographic location. A short line
about where you are in the building process is also nice. Avoid
bulky signatures with character graphics; they consume unnecessary
space in the archive.
- DON'T post requests to the List for information when that info is
easily obtainable from other widely available sources. Consult the
web page or FAQ first.
- If you want to respond to a post, DO keep the "Subject:" line of
your response the same as that of the original post. This makes it
easy to find threads in the archive.
- When responding, NEVER quote the *entire* original post in your
response. DO use lines from the original post to help "tune in" the
reader to the topic at hand, but be selective. The impact that
quoting the entire original post has on the size of the archive
can not be overstated!
- When the poster asks you to respond to him/her personally, DO NOT
then go ahead and reply to the List. Be aware that clicking the
"reply" button on your mail package does not necessarily send your
response to the original poster. You might have to actively address
your response with the original poster's email address.
- DO NOT use the List to respond to a post unless you have something
to add that is relevant and has a broad appeal. "Way to go!", "I
agree", and "Congratulations" are all responses that are better sent
to the original poster directly, rather than to the List at large.
- When responding to others' posts, avoid the feeling that you need to
comment on every last point in their posts, unless you can truly
contribute something valuable.
- Feel free to disagree with other viewpoints, BUT keep your tone
polite and respectful. Don't make snide comments, personally attack
other listers, or take the moral high ground on an obviously
controversial issue. This will only cause a pointless debate that
will hurt feelings, waste bandwidth and resolve nothing.
- Occasional posts by vendors or individuals who are regularly
subscribed to a given List are considered acceptable. Posts by
List members promoting their respective products or items for sale
should be of a friendly, informal nature, and should not resemble
a typical SPAM message. The List isn't about commercialism, but
is about sharing information and knowledge. This applies to
everyone, including those who provide products to the entire
community. Informal presentation and moderation should be the
operatives with respect to advertising on the Lists.
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| Subject: | Official RV10-List Usage Guidelines |
Dear Listers,
Please read over the RV10-List Usage Guidelines below. The complete
RV10-List FAQ including these Usage Guidelines can be found at the
following URL:
http://www.matronics.com/FAQs/RV10-List.FAQ.html
Thank you,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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RV10-List Usage Guidelines
******************************************************************************
The following details the official Usage Guidelines for the RV10-List.
You are encouraged to read it carefully, and to abide by the rules therein.
Failure to use the RV10-List in the manner described below may result
in the removal of the subscribers from the List.
RV10-List Policy Statement
The purpose of the RV10-List is to provide a forum of discussion for
things related to this particular discussion group. The List's goals
are to serve as an information resource to its members; to deliver
high-quality content; to provide moral support; to foster camaraderie
among its members; and to support safe operation. Reaching these goals
requires the participation and cooperation of each and every member of
the List. To this end, the following guidelines have been established:
- Please keep all posts related to the List at some level. Do not submit
posts concerning computer viruses, urban legends, random humor, long
lost buddies' phone numbers, etc. etc.
- THINK carefully before you write. Ask yourself if your post will be
relevant to everyone. If you have to wonder about that, DON'T send it.
- Remember that your post will be included for posterity in an archive
that is growing in size at an extraordinary rate. Try to be concise and
terse in your posts. Avoid overly wordy and lengthy posts and
responses.
- Keep your signature brief. Please include your name, email address,
aircraft type/tail number, and geographic location. A short line
about where you are in the building process is also nice. Avoid
bulky signatures with character graphics; they consume unnecessary
space in the archive.
- DON'T post requests to the List for information when that info is
easily obtainable from other widely available sources. Consult the
web page or FAQ first.
- If you want to respond to a post, DO keep the "Subject:" line of
your response the same as that of the original post. This makes it
easy to find threads in the archive.
- When responding, NEVER quote the *entire* original post in your
response. DO use lines from the original post to help "tune in" the
reader to the topic at hand, but be selective. The impact that
quoting the entire original post has on the size of the archive
can not be overstated!
- When the poster asks you to respond to him/her personally, DO NOT
then go ahead and reply to the List. Be aware that clicking the
"reply" button on your mail package does not necessarily send your
response to the original poster. You might have to actively address
your response with the original poster's email address.
- DO NOT use the List to respond to a post unless you have something
to add that is relevant and has a broad appeal. "Way to go!", "I
agree", and "Congratulations" are all responses that are better sent
to the original poster directly, rather than to the List at large.
- When responding to others' posts, avoid the feeling that you need to
comment on every last point in their posts, unless you can truly
contribute something valuable.
- Feel free to disagree with other viewpoints, BUT keep your tone
polite and respectful. Don't make snide comments, personally attack
other listers, or take the moral high ground on an obviously
controversial issue. This will only cause a pointless debate that
will hurt feelings, waste bandwidth and resolve nothing.
- Occasional posts by vendors or individuals who are regularly
subscribed to a given List are considered acceptable. Posts by
List members promoting their respective products or items for sale
should be of a friendly, informal nature, and should not resemble
a typical SPAM message. The List isn't about commercialism, but
is about sharing information and knowledge. This applies to
everyone, including those who provide products to the entire
community. Informal presentation and moderation should be the
operatives with respect to advertising on the Lists.
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