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1. 03:14 AM - Re: Firewall insulation? (Bob Leffler)
2. 09:04 AM - Re: AFS RPM Transducer on Magnet or LSI? (Nick Leonard)
3. 09:19 AM - Re: Firewall insulation? (Perry, Phil)
4. 09:32 AM - Re: Re: AFS RPM Transducer on Magnet or LSI? (Carl Froehlich)
5. 09:46 AM - Re: Firewall insulation? (ricksked@embarqmail.com)
6. 10:16 AM - Re: Firewall insulation? (David McNeill)
7. 10:48 AM - Re: Re: AFS RPM Transducer on Magnet or LSI? (Jim)
8. 11:27 AM - Re: Re: AFS RPM Transducer on Magnet or LSI? (Tim Olson)
9. 12:05 PM - Re: Re: AFS RPM Transducer on Magnet or LSI? (Robin Marks)
10. 06:53 PM - Re: Re: AFS RPM Transducer on Magnet or LSI? (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
11. 07:10 PM - Re: Re: AFS RPM Transducer on Magnet or LSI? (David Maib)
12. 07:31 PM - Re: QB Fuselage Question (Kelly McMullen)
13. 09:49 PM - Re: Re: AFS RPM Transducer on Magnet or LSI? (Ben Westfall)
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| Subject: | Firewall insulation? |
I was leaning towards Koolmat, until I saw the results of Dan Horton's test,
which can found on VAF at:
http://www.vansairforce.com/community/showthread.php?t=47587&highlight=firew
all+insulation
I'm not sure what I am going to do at the moment.
Bob
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ricksked@embarqmail.com
Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2009 9:22 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Firewall insulation?
Do the outside...with koolmat...works great...
Rick Sked
N246RS
Almost 60 hours and counting
Going to Santa Monica Thursday
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From: ivankris
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ReplyTo: Rv
Sent: Oct 18, 2009 5:54 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Firewall insulation?
I am going to set the glareshield on he fuselage permanently soon but before
I do I would like to insulate the inside of the firewall with a good quality
insulating material.
My question to the list is what is the best material to use and where do I
find it?
--------
Ivan K.
www.ivankristensen.com
Builder # 40838
Wiring
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| Subject: | Re: AFS RPM Transducer on Magnet or LSI? |
Rob,
This is a little off subject but,
Had it been available when you were building the -10, would you have used the P-mag
instead of the Lightspeed? They have committed to having it available by
the end of the year for the 6 cylinder.
Nick
--------
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RV-10 (40015) Finish
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| Subject: | Firewall insulation? |
Ditto, Bob.
Dan's very valuable testing threw a wrench in my plans too. I was
wanting koolmat also and now I'm not sure how I was to do it.
Phil
-----Original Message-----
From: Bob Leffler [mailto:rv@thelefflers.com]
Sent: Monday, October 19, 2009 5:15 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Firewall insulation?
I was leaning towards Koolmat, until I saw the results of Dan Horton's
test,
which can found on VAF at:
http://www.vansairforce.com/community/showthread.php?t=47587&highlight=f
irew
all+insulation
I'm not sure what I am going to do at the moment.
Bob
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
ricksked@embarqmail.com
Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2009 9:22 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Firewall insulation?
Do the outside...with koolmat...works great...
Rick Sked
N246RS
Almost 60 hours and counting
Going to Santa Monica Thursday
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From: ivankris
Sender: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
ReplyTo: Rv
Sent: Oct 18, 2009 5:54 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Firewall insulation?
I am going to set the glareshield on he fuselage permanently soon but
before
I do I would like to insulate the inside of the firewall with a good
quality
insulating material.
My question to the list is what is the best material to use and where do
I
find it?
--------
Ivan K.
www.ivankristensen.com
Builder # 40838
Wiring
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| Subject: | Re: AFS RPM Transducer on Magnet or LSI? |
I can tell you I just pulled both Lighspeed II+ ignitions off of my 8A after
400 hours and a string of problems and replaced them with P-mags. I now
have 100 hours on the P-mags and I'm very happy with them.
Carl Froehlich
RV-8A (500 hrs)
RV-10 (pretty work on the fuselage fiberglass - still)
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Nick Leonard
Sent: Monday, October 19, 2009 12:03 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: AFS RPM Transducer on Magnet or LSI?
Rob,
This is a little off subject but,
Had it been available when you were building the -10, would you have used
the P-mag instead of the Lightspeed? They have committed to having it
available by the end of the year for the 6 cylinder.
Nick
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Nick Leonard
RV-10 (40015) Finish
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| Subject: | Re: Firewall insulation? |
Good nuff for Nascar besides if its so bad it goes through the Koolmat...might
be a bad day no matter what...I figure it will buy some time
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From: "Perry, Phil" <Phil.Perry@netapp.com>
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Firewall insulation?
Ditto, Bob.
Dan's very valuable testing threw a wrench in my plans too. I was
wanting koolmat also and now I'm not sure how I was to do it.
Phil
-----Original Message-----
From: Bob Leffler [mailto:rv@thelefflers.com]
Sent: Monday, October 19, 2009 5:15 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Firewall insulation?
I was leaning towards Koolmat, until I saw the results of Dan Horton's
test,
which can found on VAF at:
http://www.vansairforce.com/community/showthread.php?t=47587&highlight=f
irew
all+insulation
I'm not sure what I am going to do at the moment.
Bob
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
ricksked@embarqmail.com
Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2009 9:22 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Firewall insulation?
Do the outside...with koolmat...works great...
Rick Sked
N246RS
Almost 60 hours and counting
Going to Santa Monica Thursday
------Original Message------
From: ivankris
Sender: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
ReplyTo: Rv
Sent: Oct 18, 2009 5:54 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Firewall insulation?
I am going to set the glareshield on he fuselage permanently soon but
before
I do I would like to insulate the inside of the firewall with a good
quality
insulating material.
My question to the list is what is the best material to use and where do
I
find it?
--------
Ivan K.
www.ivankristensen.com
Builder # 40838
Wiring
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| Subject: | Firewall insulation? |
Another alternative is a fire bottle. With the fuel selector off and a fire
bottle discharge there is a high probability of putting out a fire.
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Perry, Phil
Sent: Monday, October 19, 2009 8:44 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Firewall insulation?
Ditto, Bob.
Dan's very valuable testing threw a wrench in my plans too. I was wanting
koolmat also and now I'm not sure how I was to do it.
Phil
-----Original Message-----
From: Bob Leffler [mailto:rv@thelefflers.com]
Sent: Monday, October 19, 2009 5:15 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Firewall insulation?
I was leaning towards Koolmat, until I saw the results of Dan Horton's test,
which can found on VAF at:
http://www.vansairforce.com/community/showthread.php?t=47587&highlight=f
irew
all+insulation
I'm not sure what I am going to do at the moment.
Bob
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
ricksked@embarqmail.com
Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2009 9:22 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Firewall insulation?
Do the outside...with koolmat...works great...
Rick Sked
N246RS
Almost 60 hours and counting
Going to Santa Monica Thursday
------Original Message------
From: ivankris
Sender: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
ReplyTo: Rv
Sent: Oct 18, 2009 5:54 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Firewall insulation?
I am going to set the glareshield on he fuselage permanently soon but before
I do I would like to insulate the inside of the firewall with a good quality
insulating material.
My question to the list is what is the best material to use and where do I
find it?
--------
Ivan K.
www.ivankristensen.com
Builder # 40838
Wiring
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| Subject: | Re: AFS RPM Transducer on Magnet or LSI? |
The P-Mag company has been committed to having this available for the 6
cyl for about 6 years now. I have been to their booth at OshKosh and
heard this from them on at least three occasions.
Someday?
Jim Combs (N312F - Flying)
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RV10-List message posted by: "Nick Leonard"
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Rob,
This is a little off
subject but,
Had it been available when you were building the
-10, would you have used
the P-mag instead of the Lightspeed? They
have committed to having it
available by the end of the year for the
6 cylinder.
Nick
--------
Nick Leonard
RV-10 (40015) Finish
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| Subject: | Re: AFS RPM Transducer on Magnet or LSI? |
I almost waited for it and put it in mine. Good thing
I didn't....I'd be 550 hours less in the air, over the
past 3.5 years. ;)
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
do not archive
Jim wrote:
> The P-Mag company has been committed to having this available for the 6
> cyl for about 6 years now. I have been to their booth at OshKosh and
> heard this from them on at least three occasions.
>
> Someday?
>
> Jim Combs (N312F - Flying)
>
> -------------------------------------------
>
>
> Rob,
>
> This is a little off subject but,
>
> Had it been available when you were building the -10, would you have used
> the P-mag instead of the Lightspeed? They have committed to having it
> available by the end of the year for the 6 cylinder.
>
> Nick
>
> --------
> Nick Leonard
> RV-10 (40015) Finish
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=268541#268541
>
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>
>
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| Subject: | Re: AFS RPM Transducer on Magnet or LSI? |
Having the P-Mag available by the end of the year and having it bullet
proof are two different things.
There are some real early adopter horror stories with the 4 cylinder
P-Mags from years back. I personally would not put one on my plane till
there are many success stories. I definitely would not place two on my
-10. It's one thing to experiment on your plane it's another thing to
perform R&D for someone's business.
All that being said I am sure they gained a lot of experience with the 4
cylinder unit and many of the issues are probably the same when up
scaling to a 6. I think it's probably cheaper to put two mags on your
plane (as I did) and wait till an alternate system is proven and right
for you. Then pull off one of your perfectly good mags and sell it at a
discount to another builder/pilot that needs a mag. That way you are
going form proven system to proven system.
Just an idea,
Robin
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| Subject: | Re: AFS RPM Transducer on Magnet or LSI? |
Yep, and they still don't have the best reliability. Although I think I
remember reading something about an e or p-Mag being offered on one of the
Cessna models, probably the Skycatcher. The reliability issue is part of t
he reason I went with Lightspeeds, they have a very good track record and h
ave been around for more than 20 years. eMag's big news on their site is
that they haven't had a firmware fix in a year. Don't get me wrong, I thin
k they have a good idea and a good product, but I don't think they have a g
ood record of reliability. As always I would recommend anyone thinking abo
ut any of the different ignition technologies do their research. Each has
their own pros and cons and I think e-Mag will be a good choice, after a fe
w years of trouble free performance.
Michael
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@m
atronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim
Sent: Monday, October 19, 2009 12:40 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: AFS RPM Transducer on Magnet or LSI?
The P-Mag company has been committed to having this available for the 6 cyl
for about 6 years now. I have been to their booth at OshKosh and heard th
is from them on at least three occasions.
Someday?
Jim Combs (N312F - Flying)
-------------------------------------------
Rob,
This is a little off subject but,
Had it been available when you were building the -10, would you have used
the P-mag instead of the Lightspeed? They have committed to having it
available by the end of the year for the 6 cylinder.
Nick
--------
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RV-10 (40015) Finish
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| Subject: | Re: AFS RPM Transducer on Magnet or LSI? |
I talked to them at Sun n Fun this year. They told me that they are
certifying the 6 Cyl. P-Mag and that is causing longer delays. They
told me they will still sell an "Experimental" version, but did not
want to release it until the certified unit is released.
David Maib
40559
Flying
On Oct 19, 2009, at 1:39 PM, Jim wrote:
The P-Mag company has been committed to having this available for the
6 cyl for about 6 years now. I have been to their booth at OshKosh
and heard this from them on at least three occasions.
Someday?
Jim Combs (N312F - Flying)
-------------------------------------------
Rob,
This is a little off subject but,
Had it been available when you were building the -10, would you have
used
the P-mag instead of the Lightspeed? They have committed to having it
available by the end of the year for the 6 cylinder.
Nick
--------
Nick Leonard
RV-10 (40015) Finish
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| Subject: | Re: QB Fuselage Question |
Funny you mention work paid to be done in the Philippines. Phil and I
have exchanged squawk lists on our QB fuselages. With only a few
exceptions they were identical. Looks like I will have to drill out
all the mid fuselage longeron rivets (F-1046) to do countersinking
that wasn't done, to trim the baggage door seal angle, and drill out
some of the F1013 left longeron to trim it to length without damaging
the skin. Clearly the QA/QC of the old facility was not transferred
to the new Philippine facility. Hopefully Vans hears this loud and
clear. More when I get a response from them.
On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 5:19 PM, David Maib <dmaib@mac.com> wrote:
I agree with Phil that taking the gear weldments/front
> floors out is not worth the grief. You will be undoing work that you paid to
> have done at the QB factory.
>
> David Maib
> 40559
> Flying
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| Subject: | Re: AFS RPM Transducer on Magnet or LSI? |
It's sad to say but reliability from any ignition vendor has taken hits,
some more recent than others. Mag, pmag, lightspeed, or otherwise. With
the recent crap from Slick a while back I'd caution anyone feeling overly
comfortable with their choice of ignition. I'm planning on two mags myself.
Here's hoping that the shit parts are over and done with by the time I need
to order mine. Heck at the rate I'm building lately maybe the 6 cly p-mag's
will be out and bug free!
-Ben
_____
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(Michael Sausen)
Sent: Monday, October 19, 2009 6:47 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: AFS RPM Transducer on Magnet or LSI?
Yep, and they still don't have the best reliability. Although I think I
remember reading something about an e or p-Mag being offered on one of the
Cessna models, probably the Skycatcher. The reliability issue is part of
the reason I went with Lightspeeds, they have a very good track record and
have been around for more than 20 years. eMag's big news on their site is
that they haven't had a firmware fix in a year. Don't get me wrong, I think
they have a good idea and a good product, but I don't think they have a good
record of reliability. As always I would recommend anyone thinking about
any of the different ignition technologies do their research. Each has
their own pros and cons and I think e-Mag will be a good choice, after a few
years of trouble free performance.
Michael
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim
Sent: Monday, October 19, 2009 12:40 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: AFS RPM Transducer on Magnet or LSI?
The P-Mag company has been committed to having this available for the 6 cyl
for about 6 years now. I have been to their booth at OshKosh and heard this
from them on at least three occasions.
Someday?
Jim Combs (N312F - Flying)
-------------------------------------------
Rob,
This is a little off subject but,
Had it been available when you were building the -10, would you have used
the P-mag instead of the Lightspeed? They have committed to having it
available by the end of the year for the 6 cylinder.
Nick
--------
Nick Leonard
RV-10 (40015) Finish
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