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0. 12:44 AM - November List Fund Raiser (Matt Dralle)
1. 07:43 AM - Re: Show Planes Flap Position System For Sale (Barry Marz)
2. 08:01 AM - Door strut attach fitting (Chris Hukill)
3. 09:00 AM - Re: Re: First successful test of windscreen antenna (Perry, Phil)
4. 10:09 AM - AMSAFE seat belts (David McNeill)
5. 10:51 AM - Re: Re: First successful test of windscreen antenna (John Cox)
6. 10:59 AM - Voyager Lifetime chart subscription (Tim Olson)
7. 11:03 AM - Re: Door strut attach fitting (Linn Walters)
8. 11:52 AM - Re: Voyager Lifetime chart subscription (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
9. 12:22 PM - Re: Door strut attach fitting (bwestfall)
10. 12:43 PM - Re: Re: Door strut attach fitting (Linn Walters)
11. 01:17 PM - Re: Re: First successful test of windscreen antenna (Perry, Phil)
12. 01:17 PM - Re: Re: First successful test of windscreen antenna (Pascal)
13. 01:38 PM - Re: Re: First successful test of windscreen antenna (Perry, Phil)
14. 01:51 PM - Way Off Topic: New PIC (Tim Olson)
15. 01:51 PM - Re: Re: First successful test of windscreen antenna (Dj Merrill)
16. 01:59 PM - Re: Way Off Topic: New PIC (Rob Hunter)
17. 02:06 PM - Re: Re: First successful test of windscreen antenna (Perry, Phil)
18. 02:08 PM - Re: Way Off Topic: New PIC (Jim)
19. 02:08 PM - Re: Way Off Topic: New PIC (Jeff Carpenter)
20. 02:20 PM - Re: Way Off Topic: New PIC (Condrey, Bob (US SSA))
21. 02:32 PM - Re: Re: First successful test of windscreen antenna (Bill Mauledriver Watson)
22. 02:32 PM - Re: Way Off Topic: New PIC (Bill Mauledriver Watson)
23. 02:38 PM - Seat belts and windows (Bill Mauledriver Watson)
24. 02:41 PM - Re: First successful test of windscreen antenna (Michael Wellenzohn)
25. 02:49 PM - Re: Way Off Topic: New PIC (Steven Roberts)
26. 02:52 PM - Re: Way Off Topic: New PIC (Perry, Phil)
27. 03:02 PM - Re: Way Off Topic: New PIC (Robin Marks)
28. 03:09 PM - Re: Way Off Topic: New PIC (Pascal)
29. 03:43 PM - Certified WAAS GPS (Robin Marks)
30. 03:44 PM - Re: Re: First successful test of windscreen antenna (Perry, Phil)
31. 03:59 PM - Re: Way Off Topic: New PIC (Linn Walters)
32. 04:01 PM - Re: Certified WAAS GPS (MARCUS COOPER)
33. 04:04 PM - Re: Re: First successful test of windscreen antenna (Linn Walters)
34. 04:04 PM - Re: Re: First successful test of windscreen antenna (Linn Walters)
35. 04:27 PM - Re: Certified WAAS GPS (SteinAir, Inc.)
36. 04:48 PM - Re: Re: First successful test of windscreen antenna (Kelly McMullen)
37. 05:00 PM - Re: Certified WAAS GPS (Robin Marks)
38. 05:00 PM - Re: Door strut attach fitting (Eric_Kallio)
39. 05:12 PM - Re: Re: First successful test of windscreen antenna (Dj Merrill)
40. 05:22 PM - Re: Re: First successful test of windscreen antenna (Linn Walters)
41. 05:53 PM - Re: Certified WAAS GPS (ricksked@embarqmail.com)
42. 06:02 PM - Re: Re: Door strut attach fitting (Linn Walters)
43. 06:34 PM - Re: Way Off Topic: New PIC (John Cumins)
44. 08:45 PM - Re: Re: First successful test of windscreen antenna (Perry, Phil)
45. 08:54 PM - Re: Way Off Topic: New PIC (Don McDonald)
46. 10:07 PM - Re: Way Off Topic: New PIC (John Dunne)
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| Subject: | November List Fund Raiser |
A couple of years ago I implemented an automatic "squelch button" of sorts for
the Fund Raiser messages. Here's how it works... As soon as a List member makes
a Contribution through the Matronics Fund Raiser web site, he or she will
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| Subject: | Re: Show Planes Flap Position System For Sale |
The FPS has been sold. Thanks Do Not Archive
Barry Marz
18735 Baseleg AVE.
FT. Myers, Fl 33917
239-567-2271
blalmarz@embarqmail.com
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| Subject: | Door strut attach fitting |
I had completed my installation of the door strut attach fittings to the
cabin top. This included welding ears on both sides of the fittings to
increase the contact area to the cabin top, and providing two more bolts
per fitting. I feel that the amount of force (over 200 lbs) that these
struts produce requires more support than the three bolts thru
fibre-glass that the stock fitting provides, if this fitting isn't going
to become "loose and sloppy" down the road. I had also built up pads
under the fittings with epoxy/ cabosil to provide as much contact area
as possible with the top. The plans say to position the fittings fore
and aft, centered between the hinge bolts and adjust the
inboard/outboard position to a "best fit". Unfortunately the step to
check the length of the strut isn't done until later. Well my "best fit"
position turns out to be too far outboard and the struts would bottom
out before the door is fully closed.(thanks to the poster that prompted
me to check). The plans are clearly incomplete in this procedure, as the
"best fit" should be clarified to a "do not exceed" dimension for the
outboard reference. I was prompted to check mine, and found the problem
before I had permanently mounted the top. The change then would have
been much more difficult working upside down, than while the top was on
the workbench. Ain't this site great!
Chris Hukill
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| Subject: | Re: First successful test of windscreen antenna |
I'm glad someone finally said something. Every time I typed a response,
I sounded like a jack ass so I just deleted my message. But I'll just
come right out and say it. That's a lousy lousy choice for an antenna
location. Listening and transmitting are two separate things. To prove
my point, try attaching a coat hanger as an antenna and see how well it
will work to listen on - you'll be surprised at how well it works.
Shoot, even aluminum foil works for rabbit ears to receive television
stations.
I've designed and built several antennas over the years and can speak
from many years of experience and personal mistakes. So of those were
pretty creative like loading up a metal rain gutter as an antenna, a
flagpole, even an entire building.
There's absolutely no chance of that antenna ever tuning because of the
antennas position relative to the metal bar. But that did give me an
idea that'll probably still not work - but it's might be worth a shot.
That is to swap the steel bar out with a composite one. That might get
it, but you're still going to have some significant metal that could
interfere.
Another concern is with all that RF literally right on top of your
panel. EFIS, GPS, Engine Sensors (electronic) are all running right
there. Not to mention the RF will light up everything "inside" the
cockpit too. I've experienced my share of RF burns from touching metal
nearby a transmitting antenna - they're painful.
I apologize for sounding really negative, but I've been down this path
before. There are many better places to put an antenna but none any
worse.
Phil
-----Original Message-----
From: Phil White [mailto:philwhite9@aol.com]
Sent: Monday, November 02, 2009 8:44 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: First successful test of windscreen antenna
Because the center post is attached to the airframe, it is grounded.
Having your antenna tightly attached to a grounded piece will probably
de-tune it significantly, or at the least cause an odd radiation pattern
on transmit.
I expect you will not find this antenna to work at all well.
It is recommended that you install the foil strip type on the inside
of the fiberglass roof, where it is away from the metal of the airframe.
Comm antennas need to be vertically polarized, so the best location is
on the door post immediately behind the door. I have such a foil
antenna for my handheld installed there, and it works well. (But for
the main Comm, I rely on an external Comant on the belly, cause I know
it will work well.)
Phil in IL, finishing at rotary engine install
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| Subject: | AMSAFE seat belts |
www.inertialbelts.com is on line again. The belts are shown in my Glastar as
the belts were not installed in my 10 at that time. Rene has good pictures
of the final finish. I will enclose one of his here.
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| Subject: | Re: First successful test of windscreen antenna |
Phil, don't feel like that.
Few of us builders have considered timely issues on RF signal
propagation and effective communication/navigation for future flight,
when building the RV-10 early in the process. The correct time to
identify components, select the correctly effective antenna and place it
on the airframe in the right location is early in the planning. Far
earlier than most have admitted. A wise builder does not need to spend
the money on the avionics but should have a solid idea of manufacturer,
model and placement of antennas.
Horizontal/Vertical polarity, proper ground plane installation, doubler
plates to accept the load and a solid transmitting radiation pattern
just might be beyond the casual builder. Before those who like to
criticize pipe in, I will offer a solution. Talk to Stein. Visit your
favorite avionics shop that will repair your components and plan for the
build rather than learning late in the completion.
Most of the time the components are selected far too late, mounted
structurally unwisely and fail to radiate a safe and effective signal
when needed most.
Skin mapping is a foreign word to most RV-10 builders. Few understand
the bio-physics of being a rear seat navigator in a Navy EA-6B.
Antennae arrays, mega wattage and lots of RF can fry valued private
parts. Anyone remember the cellphone scare of brain tumors years ago
from having the working end of the antenna so close to gray matter?
Any ham should have access to an SWR meter and the correct pigtail to
test your transmitted Wave. Some will even be able to plot the
effectiveness during broadcast. Others might get the antenna tuned at
one end of the spectrum and loose the opposite. Tuning can be an art
form. Aviation is about tradeoffs. Others will opt for a Garmin 530
which doubles the watts being shoved out the tuned end of the final
installation. When the pipe is the wrong length, when the ground plane
is ineffective, when the RF signal is masked externally by other
materials such as Plexiglas, fiberglass, carbon or aluminum the output
circuitry on the transmitter can take an expensive dump at the worst
time. Chasing kinked coax or improper crimped connections can be even
more challenging.
Get on board early in the build - learn from others. And thanks for
your perspective.
Don't forget to support Matt during the month of November!
John
W7COX
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Perry, Phil
Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2009 8:48 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: First successful test of windscreen antenna
I'm glad someone finally said something. Every time I typed a response,
I sounded like a jack ass so I just deleted my message
I apologize for sounding really negative, but I've been down this path
before. There are many better places to put an antenna but none any
worse.
Phil
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=270659#270659
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| Subject: | Voyager Lifetime chart subscription |
I don't know if this is a permanent offering, or
a temporary, like when I got it, but today I installed
a new beta version of Voyager flight software
(by Seattle Avionics), and as I was clicking through
my chart downloads I hit a web link that launched a
subscription page for charts.
https://www.seattleavionics.com/eCommerce/Buy1.aspx
I see that they now have listed a couple of options
for Lifetime EFB and IFR chart subscriptions, so you
can buy the software, and pay once for charts forever.
The EFB is the one that I have, and it's nice because
with a $40 bluetooth GPS, you get georeferenced approach
plates AND sectionals AND low/high enroute IFR charts.
The IFR version is there too, that doesn't have in-flight
GPS capability.
Yes, it's a lot of money at $597/829 for the chart
subscription, but, it gives you current charts for
the whole US, basically forever. When you compare
it to the annual cost of chart updates for your
panel GPS, that is actually a great deal...and since
it's lifetime, it's a real incentive.
I'm not tied to the company in any way, but have been
really happy and I've had offline emails many times
asking about my lifetime subscription, so I figured
there'd be a few folks who would be excited that
it's available again. It's nice to be able to jump
in the plane at any time and have every chart you
need. Heck, the Garmin 696 subcription for a year
alone will blow this cost out of the water, and
that's not even geo-referenced!
Tim
--
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Door strut attach fitting |
If you had used the 'jig' as called out in the plans. there shouldn't
have been a problem .... it wasn't for me. I did, however, have to
re-drill one of the strut attach points on the door to get both doors to
open to the same point .... looking symmetrical from the front.
Linn
Chris Hukill wrote:
> I had completed my installation of the door strut attach fittings to the
> cabin top. This included welding ears on both sides of the fittings to
> increase the contact area to the cabin top, and providing two more bolts
> per fitting. I feel that the amount of force (over 200 lbs) that these
> struts produce requires more support than the three bolts thru
> fibre-glass that the stock fitting provides, if this fitting isn't going
> to become "loose and sloppy" down the road. I had also built up pads
> under the fittings with epoxy/ cabosil to provide as much contact area
> as possible with the top. The plans say to position the fittings fore
> and aft, centered between the hinge bolts and adjust the
> inboard/outboard position to a "best fit". Unfortunately the step to
> check the length of the strut isn't done until later. Well my "best fit"
> position turns out to be too far outboard and the struts would bottom
> out before the door is fully closed.(thanks to the poster that prompted
> me to check). The plans are clearly incomplete in this procedure, as the
> "best fit" should be clarified to a "do not exceed" dimension for the
> outboard reference. I was prompted to check mine, and found the problem
> before I had permanently mounted the top. The change then would have
> been much more difficult working upside down, than while the top was on
> the workbench. Ain't this site great!
> Chris Hukill
>
> *
>
>
> *
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| Subject: | Voyager Lifetime chart subscription |
If you just want charts, another combination I've been considering for a low
cost solution is the Barnes and Noble new Nook reader(aka the Kindle killer) and
the free PDFPlates. I haven't tried it but there is no reason it wouldn't
work given the Nook reads PDF's.
Total cost about $260 plus tax.
http://www.barnesandnoble.com/nook/index.asp
http://www.pdfplates.com/Default.aspx
Michael
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2009 12:52 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Voyager Lifetime chart subscription
I don't know if this is a permanent offering, or
a temporary, like when I got it, but today I installed
a new beta version of Voyager flight software
(by Seattle Avionics), and as I was clicking through
my chart downloads I hit a web link that launched a
subscription page for charts.
https://www.seattleavionics.com/eCommerce/Buy1.aspx
I see that they now have listed a couple of options
for Lifetime EFB and IFR chart subscriptions, so you
can buy the software, and pay once for charts forever.
The EFB is the one that I have, and it's nice because
with a $40 bluetooth GPS, you get georeferenced approach
plates AND sectionals AND low/high enroute IFR charts.
The IFR version is there too, that doesn't have in-flight
GPS capability.
Yes, it's a lot of money at $597/829 for the chart
subscription, but, it gives you current charts for
the whole US, basically forever. When you compare
it to the annual cost of chart updates for your
panel GPS, that is actually a great deal...and since
it's lifetime, it's a real incentive.
I'm not tied to the company in any way, but have been
really happy and I've had offline emails many times
asking about my lifetime subscription, so I figured
there'd be a few folks who would be excited that
it's available again. It's nice to be able to jump
in the plane at any time and have every chart you
need. Heck, the Garmin 696 subcription for a year
alone will blow this cost out of the water, and
that's not even geo-referenced!
Tim
--
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Door strut attach fitting |
I used the jig and still had a problem in that I wasn't paying much attention to
the placement of the strut attach bracket on the canopy. I had them sitting
to high above the edge of the canopy thus the door contacted the bracket before
closing. The plans are pretty vague in this section. I just sorta moved the
bracket around till it "looked best" against the canopy top but in reality
you want to place it so that the bracket does not extend very far above/outside
the canopy edge. Unfortunately you don't really notice this till after drilling
and testing by closing the door. Fortunately I was able to drill new holes
in the brackets below the original and cut/smooth a new radius. I sent this
to the list w/pictures a while back maybe 6mo to a year ago. It might be in
the archives.
-Ben
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| Subject: | Re: Door strut attach fitting |
I understand Ben. I found the whole hinge and strut attachment assembly
lacking in info, and prone to 'misalignment' problems. I had to cut
into the cabin top lip to accommodate mounting the strut bracket ....
but now most of the lip is gone to prepare for the McMaster-Carr door seal.
Like you, I bedded the bracket in flox ..... and the hinges too.
Linn
do not archive
bwestfall wrote:
>
> I used the jig and still had a problem in that I wasn't paying much
> attention to the placement of the strut attach bracket on the canopy.
> I had them sitting to high above the edge of the canopy thus the door
> contacted the bracket before closing. The plans are pretty vague in
> this section. I just sorta moved the bracket around till it "looked
> best" against the canopy top but in reality you want to place it so
> that the bracket does not extend very far above/outside the canopy
> edge. Unfortunately you don't really notice this till after drilling
> and testing by closing the door. Fortunately I was able to drill new
> holes in the brackets below the original and cut/smooth a new radius.
> I sent this to the list w/pictures a while back maybe 6mo to a year
> ago. It might be in the archives.
>
> -Ben
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=270820#270820
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: First successful test of windscreen antenna |
I think you agreed with me, John. :)
I agree with everything you said. Find someone who's been down the path
before and get their advice. It'll save countless weeks of chasing
gremlins and you'll end up with a more efficient and trouble free
antenna system.
Phil
-----Original Message-----
From: John Cox [mailto:johnwcox@pacificnw.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2009 12:17 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: First successful test of windscreen antenna
Phil, don't feel like that.
Few of us builders have considered timely issues on RF signal
propagation and effective communication/navigation for future flight,
when building the RV-10 early in the process. The correct time to
identify components, select the correctly effective antenna and place it
on the airframe in the right location is early in the planning. Far
earlier than most have admitted. A wise builder does not need to spend
the money on the avionics but should have a solid idea of manufacturer,
model and placement of antennas.
Horizontal/Vertical polarity, proper ground plane installation, doubler
plates to accept the load and a solid transmitting radiation pattern
just might be beyond the casual builder. Before those who like to
criticize pipe in, I will offer a solution. Talk to Stein. Visit your
favorite avionics shop that will repair your components and plan for the
build rather than learning late in the completion.
Most of the time the components are selected far too late, mounted
structurally unwisely and fail to radiate a safe and effective signal
when needed most.
Skin mapping is a foreign word to most RV-10 builders. Few understand
the bio-physics of being a rear seat navigator in a Navy EA-6B.
Antennae arrays, mega wattage and lots of RF can fry valued private
parts. Anyone remember the cellphone scare of brain tumors years ago
from having the working end of the antenna so close to gray matter?
Any ham should have access to an SWR meter and the correct pigtail to
test your transmitted Wave. Some will even be able to plot the
effectiveness during broadcast. Others might get the antenna tuned at
one end of the spectrum and loose the opposite. Tuning can be an art
form. Aviation is about tradeoffs. Others will opt for a Garmin 530
which doubles the watts being shoved out the tuned end of the final
installation. When the pipe is the wrong length, when the ground plane
is ineffective, when the RF signal is masked externally by other
materials such as Plexiglas, fiberglass, carbon or aluminum the output
circuitry on the transmitter can take an expensive dump at the worst
time. Chasing kinked coax or improper crimped connections can be even
more challenging.
Get on board early in the build - learn from others. And thanks for
your perspective.
Don't forget to support Matt during the month of November!
John
W7COX
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Perry, Phil
Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2009 8:48 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: First successful test of windscreen antenna
I'm glad someone finally said something. Every time I typed a response,
I sounded like a jack ass so I just deleted my message
I apologize for sounding really negative, but I've been down this path
before. There are many better places to put an antenna but none any
worse.
Phil
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=270659#270659
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| Subject: | Re: First successful test of windscreen antenna |
Phil;
Somehow I missed the reason for your apology. You used your experience to
relay to people that the idea is not a good one, there are many on this
forum who have no clue if it will work until it's tested, specifically me..
that is why I hold the feedback from all those builders who relay what has
worked for them. You have opened the dialog to have others give their
perspective, you have basically serve the group well in doing so.. so no
idea why the apology.
If you're apologizing for stating a fact based on experience, which it
sounds you're doing, keep it coming, not apologizing, but giving your
feedback so we don't follow in something that wont work..
Thanks!
Pascal
--------------------------------------------------
From: "Perry, Phil" <Phil.Perry@netapp.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2009 8:47 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: First successful test of windscreen antenna
>
> I'm glad someone finally said something. Every time I typed a response,
> I sounded like a jack ass so I just deleted my message. But I'll just
> come right out and say it. That's a lousy lousy choice for an antenna
> location. Listening and transmitting are two separate things. To prove
> my point, try attaching a coat hanger as an antenna and see how well it
> will work to listen on - you'll be surprised at how well it works.
> Shoot, even aluminum foil works for rabbit ears to receive television
> stations.
>
> I've designed and built several antennas over the years and can speak
> from many years of experience and personal mistakes. So of those were
> pretty creative like loading up a metal rain gutter as an antenna, a
> flagpole, even an entire building.
>
> There's absolutely no chance of that antenna ever tuning because of the
> antennas position relative to the metal bar. But that did give me an
> idea that'll probably still not work - but it's might be worth a shot.
> That is to swap the steel bar out with a composite one. That might get
> it, but you're still going to have some significant metal that could
> interfere.
>
> Another concern is with all that RF literally right on top of your
> panel. EFIS, GPS, Engine Sensors (electronic) are all running right
> there. Not to mention the RF will light up everything "inside" the
> cockpit too. I've experienced my share of RF burns from touching metal
> nearby a transmitting antenna - they're painful.
>
> I apologize for sounding really negative, but I've been down this path
> before. There are many better places to put an antenna but none any
> worse.
>
> Phil
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Phil White [mailto:philwhite9@aol.com]
> Sent: Monday, November 02, 2009 8:44 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV10-List: Re: First successful test of windscreen antenna
>
>
> Because the center post is attached to the airframe, it is grounded.
> Having your antenna tightly attached to a grounded piece will probably
> de-tune it significantly, or at the least cause an odd radiation pattern
> on transmit.
> I expect you will not find this antenna to work at all well.
>
> It is recommended that you install the foil strip type on the inside
> of the fiberglass roof, where it is away from the metal of the airframe.
> Comm antennas need to be vertically polarized, so the best location is
> on the door post immediately behind the door. I have such a foil
> antenna for my handheld installed there, and it works well. (But for
> the main Comm, I rely on an external Comant on the belly, cause I know
> it will work well.)
> Phil in IL, finishing at rotary engine install
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=270659#270659
>
>
>
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Hi Pascal,
I never sent my original e-mail because I couldn't figure out how to
communicate the issue without sounding really really rude or offensive
and that's not my goal. So those messages got typed and then I deleted
them.
But Phil White cracked the door enough for me to open up for a few
seconds.
As John Cox mentioned, go find a ham who has been around for awhile and
ask them to visit your project for a few hours. If they're the
old-school type who built their own antennas and transceivers (AKA:
home-brew type), they'll jump right on the project and be able to
provide very valuable experience, tools, and measuring equipment.
I've heard that antennas operate on FM. That's not really true, there's
a science to it.
I'll let you figure out what FM is. :)
Phil
-----Original Message-----
From: Pascal [mailto:rv10builder@verizon.net]
Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2009 3:18 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: First successful test of windscreen antenna
Phil;
Somehow I missed the reason for your apology. You used your experience
to
relay to people that the idea is not a good one, there are many on this
forum who have no clue if it will work until it's tested, specifically
me..
that is why I hold the feedback from all those builders who relay what
has
worked for them. You have opened the dialog to have others give their
perspective, you have basically serve the group well in doing so.. so no
idea why the apology.
If you're apologizing for stating a fact based on experience, which it
sounds you're doing, keep it coming, not apologizing, but giving your
feedback so we don't follow in something that wont work..
Thanks!
Pascal
--------------------------------------------------
From: "Perry, Phil" <Phil.Perry@netapp.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2009 8:47 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: First successful test of windscreen antenna
>
> I'm glad someone finally said something. Every time I typed a
response,
> I sounded like a jack ass so I just deleted my message. But I'll just
> come right out and say it. That's a lousy lousy choice for an antenna
> location. Listening and transmitting are two separate things. To
prove
> my point, try attaching a coat hanger as an antenna and see how well
it
> will work to listen on - you'll be surprised at how well it works.
> Shoot, even aluminum foil works for rabbit ears to receive television
> stations.
>
> I've designed and built several antennas over the years and can speak
> from many years of experience and personal mistakes. So of those were
> pretty creative like loading up a metal rain gutter as an antenna, a
> flagpole, even an entire building.
>
> There's absolutely no chance of that antenna ever tuning because of
the
> antennas position relative to the metal bar. But that did give me an
> idea that'll probably still not work - but it's might be worth a shot.
> That is to swap the steel bar out with a composite one. That might
get
> it, but you're still going to have some significant metal that could
> interfere.
>
> Another concern is with all that RF literally right on top of your
> panel. EFIS, GPS, Engine Sensors (electronic) are all running right
> there. Not to mention the RF will light up everything "inside" the
> cockpit too. I've experienced my share of RF burns from touching
metal
> nearby a transmitting antenna - they're painful.
>
> I apologize for sounding really negative, but I've been down this path
> before. There are many better places to put an antenna but none any
> worse.
>
> Phil
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Phil White [mailto:philwhite9@aol.com]
> Sent: Monday, November 02, 2009 8:44 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV10-List: Re: First successful test of windscreen antenna
>
>
> Because the center post is attached to the airframe, it is grounded.
> Having your antenna tightly attached to a grounded piece will probably
> de-tune it significantly, or at the least cause an odd radiation
pattern
> on transmit.
> I expect you will not find this antenna to work at all well.
>
> It is recommended that you install the foil strip type on the inside
> of the fiberglass roof, where it is away from the metal of the
airframe.
> Comm antennas need to be vertically polarized, so the best location is
> on the door post immediately behind the door. I have such a foil
> antenna for my handheld installed there, and it works well. (But for
> the main Comm, I rely on an external Comant on the belly, cause I know
> it will work well.)
> Phil in IL, finishing at rotary engine install
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=270659#270659
>
>
>
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Sorry that this is way off topic but I'm kind of excited because now
N104CD has an official co-pilot....ME! Yes, the little lady now not
only wears the pants in the house but in the cockpit too, since she's
now a pilot!
Tim O. - N104CD's F.O.
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| Subject: | Re: First successful test of windscreen antenna |
On 11/03/2009 04:38 PM, Perry, Phil wrote:
> I've heard that antennas operate on FM. That's not really true, there's
> a science to it.
>
> I'll let you figure out what FM is. :)
>
>
Another hint - our aviation COM radios work on AM frequencies
(Amplitude Modulation). You can find info on AM at
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amplitude_modulation> and FM at
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frequency_modulation> if you are
interested in learning more.
<http://www.arrl.org/> is a good place to start if you want to learn
about antenna construction.
fyi
-Dj
--
Dj Merrill - N1JOV
Glastar Sportsman 2+2 Builder #7118 N421DJ - http://deej.net/sportsman/
Grumman Yankee Driver N9870L - http://deej.net/yankee/
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| Subject: | Way Off Topic: New PIC |
Wow, that is super Tim. Tell her congrats from me.
Rob Hunter
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2009 2:50 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Way Off Topic: New PIC
Sorry that this is way off topic but I'm kind of excited because now
N104CD has an official co-pilot....ME! Yes, the little lady now not
only wears the pants in the house but in the cockpit too, since she's
now a pilot!
Tim O. - N104CD's F.O.
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| Subject: | Re: First successful test of windscreen antenna |
Yes, I should clarify.
The particular version of FM I was referring to is a certain type of
______ Magic that can only be found in the urban dictionary. It is the
type of magic that avionic technicians frequently use to neuter
electronic gremlins from ever reproducing. This phrase is commonly
found on military flight lines. :)
Phil
-----Original Message-----
From: Dj Merrill [mailto:deej@deej.net]
Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2009 3:48 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: First successful test of windscreen antenna
On 11/03/2009 04:38 PM, Perry, Phil wrote:
> I've heard that antennas operate on FM. That's not really true,
there's
> a science to it.
>
> I'll let you figure out what FM is. :)
>
>
Another hint - our aviation COM radios work on AM frequencies
(Amplitude Modulation). You can find info on AM at
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amplitude_modulation> and FM at
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frequency_modulation> if you are
interested in learning more.
<http://www.arrl.org/> is a good place to start if you want to learn
about antenna construction.
fyi
-Dj
--
Dj Merrill - N1JOV
Glastar Sportsman 2+2 Builder #7118 N421DJ - http://deej.net/sportsman/
Grumman Yankee Driver N9870L - http://deej.net/yankee/
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Sweet!
That's excellent! Congratulations!
IFR
Rating next?
Jim C (N312F)
--------------------------------------------------------------
Sorry that this is way off topic but I'm kind of excited because
now
N104CD has an official co-pilot....ME! Yes, the little lady now
not
only wears the pants in the house but in the cockpit too, since
she's
now a pilot!
Tim O. - N104CD's F.O.
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| Subject: | Re: Way Off Topic: New PIC |
It's one thing to have the support of (or, at least, no hostility
from) your wife while building your plane. It's something else
entirely when she gets her license.
Congrats to both of you.
Jeff Carpenter
40304
Cabin Top Finishing...
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On Nov 3, 2009, at 12:50 PM, Tim Olson wrote:
>
> Sorry that this is way off topic but I'm kind of excited because now
> N104CD has an official co-pilot....ME! Yes, the little lady now not
> only wears the pants in the house but in the cockpit too, since
> she's now a pilot!
> Tim O. - N104CD's F.O.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Way Off Topic: New PIC |
Congratulations!
Bob
----- Original Message -----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com <owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com>
Sent: Tue Nov 03 12:50:28 2009
Subject: RV10-List: Way Off Topic: New PIC
Sorry that this is way off topic but I'm kind of excited because now
N104CD has an official co-pilot....ME! Yes, the little lady now not
only wears the pants in the house but in the cockpit too, since she's
now a pilot!
Tim O. - N104CD's F.O.
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| Subject: | Re: First successful test of windscreen antenna |
Freakin' Magic 'eh?
do not archive
Perry, Phil wrote:
>
> Yes, I should clarify.
>
> The particular version of FM I was referring to is a certain type of
> ______ Magic that can only be found in the urban dictionary. It is the
> type of magic that avionic technicians frequently use to neuter
> electronic gremlins from ever reproducing. This phrase is commonly
> found on military flight lines. :)
>
> Phil
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dj Merrill [mailto:deej@deej.net]
> Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2009 3:48 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: First successful test of windscreen antenna
>
>
> On 11/03/2009 04:38 PM, Perry, Phil wrote:
>
>> I've heard that antennas operate on FM. That's not really true,
>>
> there's
>
>> a science to it.
>>
>> I'll let you figure out what FM is. :)
>>
>>
>>
>
> Another hint - our aviation COM radios work on AM frequencies
> (Amplitude Modulation). You can find info on AM at
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amplitude_modulation> and FM at
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frequency_modulation> if you are
> interested in learning more.
>
> <http://www.arrl.org/> is a good place to start if you want to learn
> about antenna construction.
>
> fyi
>
> -Dj
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Way Off Topic: New PIC |
FANTASTIC. Congratulations!
Tim Olson wrote:
>
> Sorry that this is way off topic but I'm kind of excited because now
> N104CD has an official co-pilot....ME! Yes, the little lady now not
> only wears the pants in the house but in the cockpit too, since she's
> now a pilot!
> Tim O. - N104CD's F.O.
>
>
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| Subject: | Seat belts and windows |
I'm confused, blind, perhaps both... Two questions -
1) Where are the plan steps for the seat belt installation?
2) Where are the plan steps for installing the rear windows? I see
where they are trial fitted in 43-9, and the door windows are installed
in 45-08, and the windsheild installed in 45-18 - but can't find where
the rear windows are glued in place. No issue here, I can figure out
when and how to do it but I'm wondering if I've mis laid a chunk of plans!!
Thanks to anyone who will enlighten me.
Thanks
Bill "1 step forward, 2 steps somewhere else, or maybe too much coffee"
Watson
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| Subject: | Re: First successful test of windscreen antenna |
Hi Phil,
since I am the one who started the topic I thank you for sharing your insides here.
I couldn't find any "real" answer before in the forum. My COM 1 is an external
antenna and I thought that the com 2 would be fine on the center bar. Having
read your statements above will change my installation.
Cheers
Mike
--------
RV-10 builder (avionics, wiring)
#511
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=270845#270845
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| Subject: | Way Off Topic: New PIC |
Tim,
Congratulations to your wife!!
My wife soloed just over a week ago and is working on her cross country
requirements. It will be great to have two licensed pilots in the cockpit.
Steve Roberts
(still waiting for a suitable place to build my RV-10)
N2700W Mooney M20E KMOR Morristown, TN
Sorry that this is way off topic but I'm kind of excited because now
N104CD has an official co-pilot....ME! Yes, the little lady now not
only wears the pants in the house but in the cockpit too, since she's
now a pilot!
Tim O. - N104CD's F.O.
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Congrats Tim!
My wife just finished her PhD last week. Now that she has all this free
time, I'm trying to figure out how to get her a PPL too. :)
I'm jealous.
Phil
-----Original Message-----
From: Tim Olson [mailto:Tim@MyRV10.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2009 2:50 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Way Off Topic: New PIC
Sorry that this is way off topic but I'm kind of excited because now
N104CD has an official co-pilot....ME! Yes, the little lady now not
only wears the pants in the house but in the cockpit too, since she's
now a pilot!
Tim O. - N104CD's F.O.
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Way to go Andrea! I am always impressed with anyone that says they want
to fly and actually... go through with it. It's so easy to want & wish
and dream but to actually do it puts us in the 2% club. I can't wait for
OSH 2011 when Tim is driving the camper while Andrea is bringing in
N104CD for a greaser on 09.
Great news,
Robin
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That is great! My wife keeps asking "what does Tim's wife do when he flies
everywhere?" I hate to have to tell her that now she flies.. now my wife is
going to want to get her license.
Congratulate her for us!
Pascal
--------------------------------------------------
From: "Tim Olson" <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2009 12:50 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Way Off Topic: New PIC
>
> Sorry that this is way off topic but I'm kind of excited because now
> N104CD has an official co-pilot....ME! Yes, the little lady now not only
> wears the pants in the house but in the cockpit too, since she's now a
> pilot!
> Tim O. - N104CD's F.O.
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Certified WAAS GPS |
I am considering the G3X for my 8A project. Much like other vendors the
G3X includes a VFR WAAS GPS. Sounds like all the accuracy with none of
the certification. For one to fly legal WAAS IFR GPS approaches I
believe the unit need to be driven off a certified WAAS GPS as far as I
understand. Other than the 430W & 530W what are my other options for
certified a WAAS GPS feed?
Robin
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| Subject: | Re: First successful test of windscreen antenna |
Hey Mike,
I really didn't want to come across negatively.
Just looking at the airplane and thinking of creative places to install
a copper tape antenna, I'd suggest running a tape (or even wire) in the
vertical section aft of the main doors. This is the vertical area
(inside the cabin top) that is between the aft windows and the main
door. You'll be able to maintain vertical polarization by installing
here. Measuring my cabin top, I have around 30 inches vertical area for
the antenna to run inside at this location. About 22 inches of space
above the aluminum airframe - a key number as you'll see in the next
paragraph.
Just doing some quick math, you'll only need an antenna length of 22.11
inches to tune the antenna to 127mhz. (Middle of 118mhz - 136mhz
range). You can ground the braid to the fuselage (There's a really nice
longeron right there) and attach the center conductor to the copper
tape/wire. The base of the tape should be above the aluminum airframe,
so braid goes to the frame and the center conductor goes directly into
the vertical tape. (Does any of that make sense?)
You'll stand a better chance of getting a resonant antenna in this
location. I'm still a little concerned with that much RF being radiated
inside the cockpit, but it may not matter. Only testing the transmitter
with the avionics up and running will really tell the truth.
For your benefit, when calculating the antenna length you can use this
simple formula to get the quarter wavelength of the antenna. Quarter
wavelength = 234/(frequency in mhz)
The antenna I described is essentially a 1/2 wavelength antenna being
composed of a 1/4 wavelength radiating element (copper tape). The other
1/4 wavelength of the antenna is being made up from the aluminum
structure of the fuselage.
Let me know if I can help.
Phil
-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Wellenzohn [mailto:rv-10@wellenzohn.net]
Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2009 4:40 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: First successful test of windscreen antenna
<rv-10@wellenzohn.net>
Hi Phil,
since I am the one who started the topic I thank you for sharing your
insides here. I couldn't find any "real" answer before in the forum. My
COM 1 is an external antenna and I thought that the com 2 would be fine
on the center bar. Having read your statements above will change my
installation.
Cheers
Mike
--------
RV-10 builder (avionics, wiring)
#511
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=270845#270845
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| Subject: | Re: Way Off Topic: New PIC |
My congratulations to the 'Captain'. Makes me jealous ..... mine won't
even fly with me!
Linn
Tim Olson wrote:
>
> Sorry that this is way off topic but I'm kind of excited because now
> N104CD has an official co-pilot....ME! Yes, the little lady now not
> only wears the pants in the house but in the cockpit too, since she's
> now a pilot!
> Tim O. - N104CD's F.O.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Certified WAAS GPS |
The Garmin GNS-480 also works.- Might even find one cheaper now that they
stopped production.- Too bad, it's a great system.
-
Marcus
--- On Tue, 11/3/09, Robin Marks <robin1@mrmoisture.com> wrote:
From: Robin Marks <robin1@mrmoisture.com>
Subject: RV10-List: Certified WAAS GPS
I am considering the G3X for my 8A project. Much like other vendors the G3X
includes a VFR WAAS GPS. Sounds like all the accuracy with none of the cer
tification. For one to fly legal WAAS IFR GPS approaches I believe the unit
need to be driven off a certified WAAS GPS as far as I understand. Other t
han the 430W & 530W what are my other options for certified a WAAS GPS feed
?
-
Robin
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| Subject: | Re: First successful test of windscreen antenna |
Phil, it's true. All antennas are FM. <GR> And then some feed pipes.
Sheesh.
Linn
Perry, Phil wrote:
>
> Hi Pascal,
>
> I never sent my original e-mail because I couldn't figure out how to
> communicate the issue without sounding really really rude or offensive
> and that's not my goal. So those messages got typed and then I deleted
> them.
>
> But Phil White cracked the door enough for me to open up for a few
> seconds.
>
> As John Cox mentioned, go find a ham who has been around for awhile and
> ask them to visit your project for a few hours. If they're the
> old-school type who built their own antennas and transceivers (AKA:
> home-brew type), they'll jump right on the project and be able to
> provide very valuable experience, tools, and measuring equipment.
>
> I've heard that antennas operate on FM. That's not really true, there's
> a science to it.
>
> I'll let you figure out what FM is. :)
>
> Phil
>
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| Subject: | Re: First successful test of windscreen antenna |
Dj missed it.
Linn
do not archive
Dj Merrill wrote:
>
> On 11/03/2009 04:38 PM, Perry, Phil wrote:
>> I've heard that antennas operate on FM. That's not really true, there's
>> a science to it.
>>
>> I'll let you figure out what FM is. :)
>>
>>
>
> Another hint - our aviation COM radios work on AM frequencies
> (Amplitude Modulation). You can find info on AM at
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amplitude_modulation> and FM at
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frequency_modulation> if you are
> interested in learning more.
>
> <http://www.arrl.org/> is a good place to start if you want to learn
> about antenna construction.
>
> fyi
>
> -Dj
>
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| Subject: | Certified WAAS GPS |
Hi Robin,
You are correct...and there are a couple alternatives out there, but their
price points make the GNS boxes the less expensive way to go. Someone
mentioned the 480's and indeed they are WAAS certified, but due to supply &
demand, they often times bring more on the used market than a new 430W
costs! So, the quick/dirty answer is that the GNS box is still the best way
to go from a money perspective.
Sorry I don't have any better news!
Cheers,
Stein
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Robin Marks
Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2009 5:22 PM
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Subject: RV10-List: Certified WAAS GPS
I am considering the G3X for my 8A project. Much like other vendors the
G3X includes a VFR WAAS GPS. Sounds like all the accuracy with none of the
certification. For one to fly legal WAAS IFR GPS approaches I believe the
unit need to be driven off a certified WAAS GPS as far as I understand.
Other than the 430W & 530W what are my other options for certified a WAAS
GPS feed?
Robin
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| Subject: | Re: First successful test of windscreen antenna |
You could consider that Bob Archer makes a com antenna that will go in
which ever wing tip you don't put the vor antenna. Won't have the range
of external antenna, but for a com 2 should be fine. The wing tip has
enough vertical to give it proper orientation, as I've seen one
installed in an RV7 wingtip that worked fine.
Michael Wellenzohn wrote:
>
> Hi Phil,
>
> since I am the one who started the topic I thank you for sharing your insides
here. I couldn't find any "real" answer before in the forum. My COM 1 is an external
antenna and I thought that the com 2 would be fine on the center bar.
Having read your statements above will change my installation.
>
> Cheers
> Mike
>
> --------
> RV-10 builder (avionics, wiring)
> #511
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=270845#270845
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Certified WAAS GPS |
Stein,
No need to be sorry. I am sooooooo use to bad news when
it comes to avionics. J It seems like Garmin would offer a certified
option / plug in for a few thousand as an upgrade path for these units
but I guess they will end up with the cash anyway. I read some place
that Garmin has sold over 130,000 430/430W's. That looks like close to a
billion dollars to me. The one consolation as I have mentioned before is
that I will want a premium Comm in the ship anyway and that's what you
get with the 430W. Same rational I used for buying the G900X. Hay, it
comes with two 16W comms! I wasn't really considering a discontinued
unit in a new panel anyway.
Thanks,
Robin
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of SteinAir,
Inc.
Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2009 4:25 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Certified WAAS GPS
Hi Robin,
You are correct...and there are a couple alternatives out there, but
their price points make the GNS boxes the less expensive way to go.
Someone mentioned the 480's and indeed they are WAAS certified, but due
to supply & demand, they often times bring more on the used market than
a new 430W costs! So, the quick/dirty answer is that the GNS box is
still the best way to go from a money perspective.
Sorry I don't have any better news!
Cheers,
Stein
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Robin Marks
Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2009 5:22 PM
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Subject: RV10-List: Certified WAAS GPS
I am considering the G3X for my 8A project. Much like other
vendors the G3X includes a VFR WAAS GPS. Sounds like all the accuracy
with none of the certification. For one to fly legal WAAS IFR GPS
approaches I believe the unit need to be driven off a certified WAAS GPS
as far as I understand. Other than the 430W & 530W what are my other
options for certified a WAAS GPS feed?
Robin
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| Subject: | Re: Door strut attach fitting |
I posted my issue a few days ago and got some responses to check the basics, didn't
address my problem. Here is what played out for me.
I had the door brackets installed within 1/4" of the edge of the window cut out.
I had the canopy bracket installed as far inboard as I could get it. Using the
spacer dimensions in the plans did not work for me. I made mine 7.7". My compressed
struts measured 7.82". When I installed the first strut the door wouldn't
close all the way.
How I fixed mine: I measured the length of the compressed strut and made a new
spacer the same length plus a tenth of an inch for good measure. I filled in and
glassed over my initial holes from the door brackets and reinstalled the door
brackets at the far edge by the window. Then with the door closed, and the
spacer attached to the door I marked out new holes on the canopy bracket. Drilled
the new holes, trimmed the 'ears' off with the original holes in it...beautiful.
Took me 20 minutes to do the second door this way. Don't have pics, but
is fairly straight forward. Call me at 225-802-4827 if I can offer any more info
about how or why I did it this way.
Eric Kallio
Finishing canopy and door fiberglass
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| Subject: | Re: First successful test of windscreen antenna |
Linn Walters wrote:
>
> Dj missed it.
> Linn
It is not the first time... *grin*
-Dj
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| Subject: | Re: First successful test of windscreen antenna |
Dj Merrill wrote:
>
> Linn Walters wrote:
>>
>> Dj missed it.
>> Linn
>
> It is not the first time... *grin*
You just took the subject too seriously. I could tell you really wanted
to help, and you get kudos for that. I've found the FM thingy (another
highly technical term) rampant through all the military branches.
Probably coined by instructors that really didn't know what they were
talking about!!!
Linn .... heard it in the Navy.
do not archive
>
> -Dj
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| Subject: | Re: Certified WAAS GPS |
I'm liking my 480 more and more...Even though they look
similar, the functions aren't very similar to the 430/53
0 units so I may have a new learning curve on the n
ext project..oops....I mean if I have a next project.
Rick Sked
N246RS
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| Subject: | Re: Door strut attach fitting |
While we're on the strut attach fitting ..... I cut a slot towards the
mounting hole on the end next to the strut attach holes. I plan on
floxing over the three screws, and ground flats on either side of the
head to prevent them turning when putting the nuts on. This way I can
remove the cabin top strut fitting if I ever need to.
Linn
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| Subject: | Way Off Topic: New PIC |
Congrats Tim, that's awesome.
John G. Cumins
President
JC'S Interactive Systems
2499 B1 Martin Rd
Fairfield Ca 94533
707-425-7100
707-425-7576 Fax
Your Total Technology Solution Provider
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2009 12:50 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Way Off Topic: New PIC
Sorry that this is way off topic but I'm kind of excited because now
N104CD has an official co-pilot....ME! Yes, the little lady now not
only wears the pants in the house but in the cockpit too, since she's
now a pilot!
Tim O. - N104CD's F.O.
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That's great Tim.....- I was able to listen to all the other comments bec
ause I got home late after flying to another airport and being picked up fo
r a golf outing.... that being said... here's what I heard at the airport b
ack when I was a REAL newbee and still building..... There's 3 categories o
f wives/girl friends;- the first hates airplanes, will never fly with you
, and tells you so (daily); the second, early on, make you believe that the
y like it, and even go for a few flights.- Then when the hook is set, the
y let you know what they really think.... same as the first category;- Th
en there's the last category, which fortunately for you and me, is what we
have.- They want to go almost every time, and will fight- for their fav
orite seat.
Now you will have to even fight for the left seat!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Luckily for me, at least for the present, Kim just wants to learn enough to
get it on the ground if something happens to me.
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Congrats again.
-
Don & Kim McDonald
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-- On Tue, 11/3/09, Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com> wrote:
From: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Subject: RV10-List: Way Off Topic: New PIC
Sorry that this is way off topic but I'm kind of excited because now N104CD
has an official co-pilot....ME!- Yes, the little lady now not only wears
the pants in the house but in the cockpit too, since she's now a pilot!
Tim O. - N104CD's F.O.
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Fantastic achievement!!
There's nothing quite like that milestone of PIC.
John 40315
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Sent: Wednesday, 4 November 2009 6:50 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Way Off Topic: New PIC
Sorry that this is way off topic but I'm kind of excited because now
N104CD has an official co-pilot....ME! Yes, the little lady now not
only wears the pants in the house but in the cockpit too, since she's
now a pilot!
Tim O. - N104CD's F.O.
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