---------------------------------------------------------- RV10-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 11/04/09: 16 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 02:21 AM - Re: Big Iron Envy (AKflyers) 2. 03:41 AM - Re: Elevator travel vs. stick grip clearance (Walt Fuller) 3. 04:31 AM - Re: Way Off Topic: New PIC (cjay) 4. 04:32 AM - Re: Way Off Topic: New PIC (David Maib) 5. 05:57 AM - Re: Voyager Lifetime chart subscription (johngoodman) 6. 07:13 AM - Re: Seat belts and windows (tsts4) 7. 08:29 AM - Re: Re: Voyager Lifetime chart subscription (Jeffery J. Morgan) 8. 09:04 AM - Re: Re: Voyager Lifetime chart subscription (Tim Olson) 9. 09:38 AM - Re: Voyager Lifetime chart subscription (orchidman) 10. 11:13 AM - Re: Re: Voyager Lifetime chart subscription (RV Builder (Michael Sausen)) 11. 11:51 AM - Re: Voyager Lifetime chart subscription (orchidman) 12. 11:54 AM - Re: Re: Voyager Lifetime chart subscription (Tim Olson) 13. 12:49 PM - Re: Voyager Lifetime chart subscription (orchidman) 14. 01:36 PM - Re: Re: Voyager Lifetime chart subscription (Tim Olson) 15. 09:22 PM - Oil filter apology (Sheldon Olesen) 16. 10:53 PM - Re: Oil filter apology (Tim Olson) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 02:21:09 AM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: Big Iron Envy From: "AKflyers" We have installed both the MaxDim and MaxPulse in our planes. Both work great and were easy to install. I must add my two cents here. LoPresti, RMD, Knot2U, xevision, the leaders in the HID market, and others are pulsing the HIDs. So yes it can be done it seems. The question may be - how does it effect the long term life of the HID bulbs? LoPresti puts it like this - http://speedmods.com/PowerPulse.htm look at the Urban Myths, and you can compare the systems here - http://maxpulsemaxdim.com/comparisons.htm . However, only one system is STC'd and has the warmup delay that seems to be so important. That is the MaxPulse unit. We cannot say if this is important or not. Everyone seems to have a different take on it. But if the HIDs have a 5000 hour life and pulsing them reduces that life by 10% you are going to be in the pilot seat for many, many hours. Your HIDs could very well outlive you. It would seem that being seen is far more important than anything? Safety anyone? -------- Yes, that little brown spot in the picture is a bear. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=270909#270909 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 03:41:52 AM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: Elevator travel vs. stick grip clearance From: "Walt Fuller" Here is a link to a short slide show of the build. I will post some better pictures soon. http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=100395192 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=270911#270911 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 04:31:44 AM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: Way Off Topic: New PIC From: "cjay" Tim Olson wrote: > Sorry that this is way off topic but I'm kind of excited because now > N104CD has an official co-pilot....ME! Yes, the little lady now not > only wears the pants in the house but in the cockpit too, since she's > now a pilot! > Tim O. - N104CD's F.O. so did she do the flight training in the 10? Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=270914#270914 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 04:32:28 AM PST US From: David Maib Subject: Re: RV10-List: Way Off Topic: New PIC Mary and I send hearty congratulations to Andrea! Way to go! David and Mary Maib "Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things you didn't do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover." -Mark Twain On Nov 3, 2009, at 3:50 PM, Tim Olson wrote: Sorry that this is way off topic but I'm kind of excited because now N104CD has an official co-pilot....ME! Yes, the little lady now not only wears the pants in the house but in the cockpit too, since she's now a pilot! Tim O. - N104CD's F.O. ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 05:57:40 AM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: Voyager Lifetime chart subscription From: "johngoodman" I'd be careful about lifetime offers. I once had a car battery from JC Pennys that was guaranteed for life. Then they went bankrupt. John -------- #40572 QB Fuselage, wings finished. Finish Kit progressing. Engine & Panel delivery soon. N711JG reserved Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=270929#270929 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:13:49 AM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: Seat belts and windows From: "tsts4" Bill, For the seat belts, Section 49. For the rear windows, Section 45, page 45-18 Steps 1 & 2. Basically it just says use the same procedure that you used for the door windows. -------- Todd Stovall 728TT (reserved) RV-10 Empacone, Wings Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=270942#270942 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:29:15 AM PST US Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Voyager Lifetime chart subscription From: "Jeffery J. Morgan" For the price though, if you get more than 2 years, it is less than buying it for two years. They have been around for a while and growing, so should be a safe bet. -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of johngoodman Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2009 7:57 AM Subject: RV10-List: Re: Voyager Lifetime chart subscription I'd be careful about lifetime offers. I once had a car battery from JC Pennys that was guaranteed for life. Then they went bankrupt. John -------- #40572 QB Fuselage, wings finished. Finish Kit progressing. Engine & Panel delivery soon. N711JG reserved Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=270929#270929 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 09:04:13 AM PST US From: Tim Olson Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Voyager Lifetime chart subscription From looking at their Beta release that I'm checking out, their Data manager supports both Voyager and the AV8OR GPS, so apparently somehow they built a relationship with those guys too. So it does seem that they're growing. They also I think just released a total solution where you buy the tablet pre-loaded and it was some pretty darn good price like just over $1000 or something. I can't say it's right for everyone, but really, there's no way any handheld or non-panel EFIS can compare to the number of features for the price, and it's a great flight planner too. So I figure it's something I'll be using forever anyway. It usually plans my flight times within a minute or two of actual point-to-point times, so I use it all the time. Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD do not archive Jeffery J. Morgan wrote: > > For the price though, if you get more than 2 years, it is less than > buying it for two years. They have been around for a while and growing, > so should be a safe bet. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of johngoodman > Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2009 7:57 AM > To: rv10-list@matronics.com > Subject: RV10-List: Re: Voyager Lifetime chart subscription > > > > I'd be careful about lifetime offers. I once had a car battery from JC > Pennys that was guaranteed for life. Then they went bankrupt. > John > > -------- > #40572 QB Fuselage, wings finished. Finish Kit progressing. Engine & > Panel delivery soon. > N711JG reserved > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=270929#270929 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 09:38:28 AM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: Voyager Lifetime chart subscription From: "orchidman" Tim Olson wrote: > From looking at their Beta release that I'm checking out, > their Data manager supports both Voyager and the AV8OR GPS, > so apparently somehow they built a relationship with those > guys too. So it does seem that they're growing. They also > I think just released a total solution where you buy the > tablet pre-loaded and it was some pretty darn good price > like just over $1000 or something. > > Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD > I went with the tablet with the internal hard drive. I loaded the beta last night and checked the hard drive usage. It is over 38g. I have been planning on upgrading the the 32g SSD (which is the only option available) but now I am going to have to figure how they are handling this. And I have added nothing. This is not good [Crying or Very sad] Will have to check to see where all the memory is going. Looks like it downloaded all the approach plates, sectionals and IFR maps for the US but I don't think it should have chewed up 38g. for the data + the tablet PC OS. Tim, do you have any idea how much just your data is consuming? -------- Gary Blankenbiller RV10 - # 40674 (N2GB Flying) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=270973#270973 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 11:13:57 AM PST US From: "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Voyager Lifetime chart subscription Gary, SSD's have been well over 32GB for more than a year. I use a 60GB SSD that I bought a year ago to transfer files between my office and home. It is interchangeable with any laptop that is less than a couple years old. Michael http://www.newegg.com/Store/SubCategory.aspx?SubCategory=636&name=Solid-State-Disks -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of orchidman Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2009 11:36 AM Subject: RV10-List: Re: Voyager Lifetime chart subscription Tim Olson wrote: > From looking at their Beta release that I'm checking out, > their Data manager supports both Voyager and the AV8OR GPS, > so apparently somehow they built a relationship with those > guys too. So it does seem that they're growing. They also > I think just released a total solution where you buy the > tablet pre-loaded and it was some pretty darn good price > like just over $1000 or something. > > Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD > I went with the tablet with the internal hard drive. I loaded the beta last night and checked the hard drive usage. It is over 38g. I have been planning on upgrading the the 32g SSD (which is the only option available) but now I am going to have to figure how they are handling this. And I have added nothing. This is not good [Crying or Very sad] Will have to check to see where all the memory is going. Looks like it downloaded all the approach plates, sectionals and IFR maps for the US but I don't think it should have chewed up 38g. for the data + the tablet PC OS. Tim, do you have any idea how much just your data is consuming? -------- Gary Blankenbiller RV10 - # 40674 (N2GB Flying) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=270973#270973 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 11:51:21 AM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: Voyager Lifetime chart subscription From: "orchidman" msausen wrote: > Gary, SSD's have been well over 32GB for more than a year. I use a 60GB SSD that I bought a year ago to transfer files between my office and home. It is interchangeable with any laptop that is less than a couple years old. > > Michael > If I only had that option. They are using the 1.8" PATA ZIF drive and they are only available in 16 and 32g that are compatible. The tablet they are selling appears to be one of the first of the new Net Books that is also a tablet. -------- Gary Blankenbiller RV10 - # 40674 (N2GB Flying) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=270999#270999 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 11:54:00 AM PST US From: Tim Olson Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Voyager Lifetime chart subscription Gary, I'm not sure how yours got so full. I download all charts except only 2 of the High Altitude IFR charts, and I have lots of space left. I wonder if you have a duplication of your chart storage or something. Maybe during loading the beta you copied the charts and duplicated them? I'll load the beta on my tablet tonight and see what I have for free space, but you should have plenty left on even a 32GB drive. Mine is a 32, and I think I have a lot of other stuff there too. If you get too lost, I can email you what you'd need to do to do a complete removal and re-install, and you could see what it does. But first I'll upgrade mine and let you know how it comes out. I have it on my work laptop and I didn't see any real increase in space after loading it....so I'm guessing you have something copied or filling up extra space, like maybe a duplicate chart repository. Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD do not archive orchidman wrote: > > > Tim Olson wrote: >> From looking at their Beta release that I'm checking out, >> their Data manager supports both Voyager and the AV8OR GPS, >> so apparently somehow they built a relationship with those >> guys too. So it does seem that they're growing. They also >> I think just released a total solution where you buy the >> tablet pre-loaded and it was some pretty darn good price >> like just over $1000 or something. >> >> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD >> > > I went with the tablet with the internal hard drive. I loaded the beta last night and checked the hard drive usage. It is over 38g. I have been planning on upgrading the the 32g SSD (which is the only option available) but now I am going to have to figure how they are handling this. And I have added nothing. This is not good [Crying or Very sad] > > Will have to check to see where all the memory is going. Looks like it downloaded all the approach plates, sectionals and IFR maps for the US but I don't think it should have chewed up 38g. for the data + the tablet > PC OS. > > Tim, do you have any idea how much just your data is consuming? > > -------- > Gary Blankenbiller > RV10 - # 40674 > (N2GB Flying) > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=270973#270973 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 12:49:40 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: Voyager Lifetime chart subscription From: "orchidman" Tim Olson wrote: > Gary, > > I'm not sure how yours got so full. I download all charts except only 2 > of the High Altitude IFR charts, and I have lots of space left. I > wonder if you have a duplication of your chart storage or something. > Maybe during loading the beta you copied the charts and duplicated them? > I'll load the beta on my tablet tonight and see what I have for free > space, but you should have plenty left on even a 32GB drive. Mine is > a 32, and I think I have a lot of other stuff there too. > I figure that is what is going on but right now time at home is at a premium. Heading to California this Sat in the -10 and trying to make sure everything is in order. Will be the first real long trip with good potential of IFR (rain) at my destination. > If you get too lost, I can email you what you'd need to do to do a > complete removal and re-install, and you could see what it does. But > first I'll upgrade mine and let you know how it comes out. > I have it on my work laptop and I didn't see any real increase > in space after loading it....so I'm guessing you have something > copied or filling up extra space, like maybe a duplicate chart > repository. > Thanks, I will let you know if I can't find it and need help. -------- Gary Blankenbiller RV10 - # 40674 (N2GB Flying) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=271008#271008 ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 01:36:12 PM PST US From: Tim Olson Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Voyager Lifetime chart subscription OK, I just verified space for you. I have about 6.5GB free on a 32GB drive, with a full install, including every Approach Plate, Every Sectional, Every TAC, every WAC, Every Low Altitude Enroute, and 2 of the 12 High Altitude enroutes. So most of the charts available and actually far more than I'll ever use. I could easily trim space by deleting the High Enroutes, and many of the WAC's and Sectionals from Alaska until I go there. After upgrading to the latest version of Beta that just came out this week, I actually got .1GB MORE space left than before. On that same tablet, I also have installed: Microsoft Word and Excel from Office 2003 Microsoft Streets and Trips 2009 A large motorola program for using your phone as a broadband modem. Some network utilities and VPN Client for doing work things. A virtual drive program Vi for windows editor Lots of MS power Toys AVG antivirus Adobe reader Winamp Zone alarm pro So there are plenty of things for me to use it as a work computer while I'm out. So, if you're overflowing a 32GB drive, you've got something else going on, but it isn't Voyager that's doing it. Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD orchidman wrote: > > > Tim Olson wrote: >> Gary, >> >> I'm not sure how yours got so full. I download all charts except only 2 >> of the High Altitude IFR charts, and I have lots of space left. I >> wonder if you have a duplication of your chart storage or something. >> Maybe during loading the beta you copied the charts and duplicated them? >> I'll load the beta on my tablet tonight and see what I have for free >> space, but you should have plenty left on even a 32GB drive. Mine is >> a 32, and I think I have a lot of other stuff there too. >> > > I figure that is what is going on but right now time at home is at a premium. Heading to California this Sat in the -10 and trying to make sure everything is in order. Will be the first real long trip with good potential of IFR (rain) at my destination. > >> If you get too lost, I can email you what you'd need to do to do a >> complete removal and re-install, and you could see what it does. But >> first I'll upgrade mine and let you know how it comes out. >> I have it on my work laptop and I didn't see any real increase >> in space after loading it....so I'm guessing you have something >> copied or filling up extra space, like maybe a duplicate chart >> repository. >> > > Thanks, I will let you know if I can't find it and need help. > > -------- > Gary Blankenbiller > RV10 - # 40674 > (N2GB Flying) > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=271008#271008 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 09:22:47 PM PST US From: Sheldon Olesen Subject: RV10-List: Oil filter apology On Aug 11, I made a post about my crushed Kelly oil filter and included pictures. I want to set the record straight. The failed filter was the wrong filter for the engine. I am both sorry for and embarrassed by my mistake. The difference between the correct filter (48108-1) and the incorrect filter(48110) is an internal oil bypass valve in the correct filter. I was unaware until about a week ago that there was any substantive difference between the two filters other than the 108 had female threads and the 110 had male threading. I'll explain how all of this happened. I was at home and going to do an Aircraft Spruce order and remembered that I needed more oil filters. I didn't remember the filter number so I looked it up in the A/C Spruce catalog where the IO-540 was listed under the 110 filter. When I got the 110's it was obvious that one filter(110) was male and the other filter (108) female. That wasn't a big problem because the male adapter for the ECI angled filter adapter came off with the 108 filter. I figured there was no sense of messing around with the male adapter if it comes off easily-- just use the filter with the male threading built in. So I put the 110 filter on and flew with no indications that there were any problems until I took it off and found the filter media crushed inside the metal shell. This was around OSH time so I asked Kelly what might be the problem. The very short answer from them was the engine. I also asked the Mattituck guy what might be the problem. His answer was the filter. I emailed the Light Plane Maintenance editor and asked the same question and his answer was the filter. I also had emails from people on the RV-10 list telling me to check the engine and hoses which I did. Nothing seemed amiss with the engine, hoses, or oil pressure. Since I could find nothing wrong with the engine and I ordered new Champion filters and put a new Champ 110 on. I checked it regularly and it wasn't looking distressed at all. There were no signs of crushing. I thought my problems were over. While all of this was going on Kim Santerre of LPM wanted pictures of my crushed filter and I sent them. He was doing an article in LPM on defective filters and my problem fit right in. The article appeared last month in LPM with my filter pictures prominently on the cover. Kelly was not happy about the coverage and started discussions with LPM. While digging deeper to address Kelly's concerns, Santerre contacted Mattituck and found out that my model engine ships with the ECI angle adapter and should have a 108 filter because the adapter has no bypass valve. Santerre thought that I must have the straight adapter with the integral oil bypass valve since I was using the 110 filter. That's when I found out about the real difference between a 108 and a 110. It was very embarrassing to tell him that I had an angled adapter and I should have been using the 108 filter. A clarification is to appear in the next issue of LPM. Kim Santerre has been very gracious during all of this fiasco. Apparently I'm not the only owner who has been confused about the the 108 and 110 filters. Mattituck has a warning that they now ship with the ECI adapter equipped engines. My engine was shipped in July, 2007 and the warning came out in Oct 2007. See the attachment. I think that ECI has a poor adapter design since it is possible to remove the male threading with no difficulty. A fixed male thread design would make it impossible to use the wrong filter. I still think that the Champion filter is superior to the Kelly since it survived in a situation where the Kelly failed although I'm sure the Kelly will work just fine in the proper installation. Sheldon Olesen N475PV 119 hrs. ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 10:53:21 PM PST US From: Tim Olson Subject: Re: RV10-List: Oil filter apology Wow Sheldon, thanks for the update on the situation. It's actually comforting to know that it was something so simple yet so confusing, and not some other wild engine problem. For the builders out there, make sure you read ALL of the line in his post....don't just skim in. The 48110 filter is indeed the right filter for many of us. And, for people who have the adapter from ECI like Sheldon does, the 48108 is the right one. So don't just skim the post without coming away with the full understanding, or you may inadvertently get the wrong filter. Sheldon, do you know if ECI is basically the ONLY adapter that we have to worry about this with? I know in my case I just have the standard straight adapter, and I need to use the 48110 male thread filter. But I'm curious....does the B&C or any other filter adapter bring potential issues for other builders? Up until now, I basically thought the 48110 was the "only" filter for our engines. Especially when you see this page: http://www.aircraftspruce.com/pdf/2010Individual/Cat10304.pdf The 48108 doesn't even list a 540 model...but as you found, that's not the same if you run the ECI adapter. Thanks for the post...I know a few TMX engine buyers, so I'm sure it'll be something they'll want to know. Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD Sheldon Olesen wrote: > On Aug 11, I made a post about my crushed Kelly oil filter and included > pictures. I want to set the record straight. The failed filter was the > wrong filter for the engine. I am both sorry for and embarrassed by my > mistake. The difference between the correct filter(48108-1) and the > incorrect filter(48110) is an internal oil bypass valve in the correct > filter. I was unaware until about a week ago that there was any > substantive difference between the two filters other than the 108 had > female threads and the 110 had male threading. I'll explain how all of > this happened. > > I was at home and going to do an Aircraft Spruce order and remembered > that I needed more oil filters. I didn't remember the filter number so > I looked it up in the A/C Spruce catalog where the IO-540 was listed > under the 110 filter. When I got the 110's it was obvious that one > filter(110) was male and the other filter (108) female. That wasn't a > big problem because the male adapter for the ECI angled filter adapter > came off with the 108 filter. I figured there was no sense of messing > around with the male adapter if it comes off easily--just use the filter > with the male threading built in. So I put the 110 filter on and flew > with no indications that there were any problems until I took it off and > found the filter media crushed inside the metal shell. This was around > OSH time so I asked Kelly what might be the problem. The very short > answer from them was the engine. I also asked the Mattituck guy what > might be the problem. His answer was the filter. I emailed the Light > Plane Maintenance editor and asked the same question and his answer was > the filter. I also had emails from people on the RV-10 list telling me > to check the engine and hoses which I did. Nothing seemed amiss with > the engine, hoses, or oil pressure. Since I could find nothing wrong > with the engine and I ordered new Champion filters and put a new Champ > 110 on. I checked it regularly and it wasn't looking distressed at > all. There were no signs of crushing. I thought my problems were over. > > While all of this was going on Kim Santerre of LPM wanted pictures of my > crushed filter and I sent them. He was doing an article in LPM on > defective filters and my problem fit right in. The article appeared > last month in LPM with my filter pictures prominently on the cover. > Kelly was not happy about the coverage and started discussions with > LPM. While digging deeper to address Kelly's concerns, Santerre > contacted Mattituck and found out that my model engine ships with the > ECI angle adapter and should have a 108 filter because the adapter has > no bypass valve. Santerre thought that I must have the straight adapter > with the integral oil bypass valve since I was using the 110 filter. > That's when I found out about the real difference between a 108 and a > 110. It was very embarrassing to tell him that I had an angled adapter > and I should have been using the 108 filter. A clarification is to > appear in the next issue of LPM. Kim Santerre has been very gracious > during all of this fiasco. > > Apparently I'm not the only owner who has been confused about the the > 108 and 110 filters. Mattituck has a warning that they now ship with > the ECI adapter equipped engines. My engine was shipped in July, 2007 > and the warning came out in Oct 2007. See the attachment. I think > that ECI has a poor adapter design since it is possible to remove the > male threading with no difficulty. A fixed male thread design would > make it impossible to use the wrong filter. I still think that the > Champion filter is superior to the Kelly since it survived in a > situation where the Kelly failed although I'm sure the Kelly will work > just fine in the proper installation. > > > > Sheldon Olesen > > N475PV 119 hrs. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message rv10-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/RV10-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/rv10-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/rv10-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.