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0. 12:33 AM - Please Make A Contribution To Support Your Lists (Matt
Dralle)
1. 03:39 AM - Re: Emp Fairing - Inlet (Richard Bibb)
2. 04:16 AM - Re: Emp Fairing - Inlet (Linn Walters)
3. 04:35 AM - Re: Emp Fairing - Inlet (Richard Bibb)
4. 04:43 AM - Re: Emp Fairing - Inlet (Wayne Edgerton)
5. 07:52 AM - Re: Tailcone / Fuse Template (efdsteve@aol.com)
6. 08:03 AM - Re: Tailcone / Fuse Template (Perry, Phil)
7. 09:49 AM - Re: Tailcone / Fuse Template (Lew Gallagher)
8. 10:06 AM - Re: Re: Tailcone / Fuse Template (Perry, Phil)
9. 10:13 AM - Re: Re: Tailcone / Fuse Template (Lew Gallagher)
10. 10:29 AM - Re: Tailcone / Fuse Template (johngoodman)
11. 01:18 PM - shippers (Linn Walters)
12. 01:20 PM - FWF kit (Linn Walters)
13. 03:53 PM - Re: shippers (John Trollinger)
14. 03:53 PM - Re: FWF kit (Roxanne and Mike Lefever)
15. 05:01 PM - Re: FWF kit (Dsyvert@aol.com)
16. 06:43 PM - Brake Exit Hole Redux (Les Kearney)
17. 06:44 PM - doors & latches (rvdave)
18. 07:01 PM - Yuma (Dave Saylor)
19. 07:05 PM - Re: Brake Exit Hole Redux (Perry, Phil)
20. 07:05 PM - Re: doors & latches (Les Kearney)
21. 07:38 PM - Re: shippers (Lenny Iszak)
22. 08:57 PM - Re: shippers (Rick and Sandra Lark)
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Time: 03:39:04 AM PST US
From: "Richard Bibb" <rbibb@tomet.net>
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Emp Fairing - Inlet
I dunno what Tim used but on the Mooney I used to own that had an inlet in
the roof (later models moved it to the empennage fairing) and used a 1/4 ID
diameter rubber hose that drained via a fitting out the bottom of the
fuselage.
Richard Bibb
972-771-2598
972-835-5979 mobile
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Perry, Phil
Sent: Friday, November 06, 2009 11:35 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Emp Fairing - Inlet
Earlier this week I had the tail feathers bolted in their final position and
then removed them for storage. While they were on I threw on the EMP
fairing just to get an idea how close it would be and as I expected I've got
quite a bit of work to do on it.
So since I'll be doing major plastic surgery on it, I was thinking about
adding a ram air inlet similar to this one on Tim's site.
http://www.myrv10.com/tips/mods/OverheadVent/index.html
But then the thought crossed my mind.. What about water?
What's the secret to keeping water out of the scat tubing? Rain on the
ramp, in flight, or just flying in wet clouds could pile up some water
pretty quickly.
Phil
________________________________ Message 2
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Time: 04:16:05 AM PST US
From: Linn Walters <pitts_pilot@bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Emp Fairing - Inlet
My overhead console will get it's air from a NACA scoop on the right
side. The only way to keep the water out is to force it to run uphill.
And this may not be sufficient if you have heavy rain coupled with the
airflow through the OC ......
You could open a small hole in the scat tubing at a low spot and have it
drain somewhere in the aft fuselage ...... but I personally don't like
that idea.
The thought does cause me to ask ..... anyone seen indications that
water gets into the tailcone from sitting outside in the rain??? Is
there a need for drain holes in the fuselage at the lowest point .... as
it sits on the ramp???
Linn
do not archive
Perry, Phil wrote:
> Earlier this week I had the tail feathers bolted in their final position
> and then removed them for storage. While they were on I threw on the
> EMP fairing just to get an idea how close it would be and as I expected
> Ive got quite a bit of work to do on it.
>
>
>
> So since Ill be doing major plastic surgery on it, I was thinking about
> adding a ram air inlet similar to this one on Tims site.
>
>
>
> http://www.myrv10.com/tips/mods/OverheadVent/index.html
>
>
>
> But then the thought crossed my mind. What about water?
>
>
>
> Whats the secret to keeping water out of the scat tubing? Rain on the
> ramp, in flight, or just flying in wet clouds could pile up some water
> pretty quickly.
>
>
>
>
> Phil
>
>
>
> *
>
>
> *
________________________________ Message 3
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Time: 04:35:10 AM PST US
From: "Richard Bibb" <rbibb@tomet.net>
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Emp Fairing - Inlet
On the RV-4 the plans call for a 1/4" drain holes in the bottom skin at the
lowest point just in front of the last few aft bulkheads to drain any water
that manages to get inside. With the tri-gears different ground attitude
the locations would need to be adjusted but the concept is prudent in my
mind.
Richard Bibb
972-771-2598
972-835-5979 mobile
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Linn Walters
Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2009 6:16 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Emp Fairing - Inlet
My overhead console will get it's air from a NACA scoop on the right
side. The only way to keep the water out is to force it to run uphill.
And this may not be sufficient if you have heavy rain coupled with the
airflow through the OC ......
You could open a small hole in the scat tubing at a low spot and have it
drain somewhere in the aft fuselage ...... but I personally don't like
that idea.
The thought does cause me to ask ..... anyone seen indications that
water gets into the tailcone from sitting outside in the rain??? Is
there a need for drain holes in the fuselage at the lowest point .... as
it sits on the ramp???
Linn
do not archive
Perry, Phil wrote:
> Earlier this week I had the tail feathers bolted in their final position
> and then removed them for storage. While they were on I threw on the
> EMP fairing just to get an idea how close it would be and as I expected
> I've got quite a bit of work to do on it.
>
>
>
> So since I'll be doing major plastic surgery on it, I was thinking about
> adding a ram air inlet similar to this one on Tim's site.
>
>
>
> http://www.myrv10.com/tips/mods/OverheadVent/index.html
>
>
>
> But then the thought crossed my mind.. What about water?
>
>
>
> What's the secret to keeping water out of the scat tubing? Rain on the
> ramp, in flight, or just flying in wet clouds could pile up some water
> pretty quickly.
>
>
>
>
> Phil
>
>
>
> *
>
>
> *
________________________________ Message 4
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Time: 04:43:01 AM PST US
From: "Wayne Edgerton" <wayne.e@grandecom.net>
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Emp Fairing - Inlet
Phil,
I install a drain tube that runs from the inlet area down to the bottom
of the fuselage where I installed drain fitting of sort that lets the
moisture exit the plane.
If you would want any photos of what I did, let me know.
Wayne Edgerton N602WT
Time: 09:35:26 PM PST US
Subject: Emp Fairing - Inlet
From: "Perry, Phil" <Phil.Perry@netapp.com>
Earlier this week I had the tail feathers bolted in their final
position
and then removed them for storage. While they were on I threw on
the
EMP fairing just to get an idea how close it would be and as I
expected
I've got quite a bit of work to do on it.
So since I'll be doing major plastic surgery on it, I was thinking
about
adding a ram air inlet similar to this one on Tim's site.
http://www.myrv10.com/tips/mods/OverheadVent/index.html
But then the thought crossed my mind.... What about water?
What's the secret to keeping water out of the scat tubing? Rain
on the
ramp, in flight, or just flying in wet clouds could pile up some
water
pretty quickly.
Phil
________________________________ Message 5
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Time: 07:52:32 AM PST US
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Tailcone / Fuse Template
From: efdsteve@aol.com
The holes in my template got a bit elongated as well but here's what I mea
sured from the end of the template:
3/8", 1 1/8", 1 7/8", 2 5/8"
Steve Weinstock
40230 fuse and engine
-----Original Message-----
From: Perry, Phil <Phil.Perry@netapp.com>
Sent: Fri, Nov 6, 2009 11:18 pm
Subject: RV10-List: Tailcone / Fuse Template
I managed to chew up my template, so I=99m wanting to double check
my work before committing some new holes into my longerons. J
Can I get one of you with the longeron template measure the edge distance
(on the template) for the aft four bolt holes that hold the tailcone to
the fuse?
I=99ve got the hole spacings and distances from the trailing edge of
the longeron, but I need the edge distance because my edge is pretty chew
ed .
Thanks,
Phil
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Time: 08:03:09 AM PST US
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Tailcone / Fuse Template
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Time: 09:49:32 AM PST US
Subject: RV10-List: Re: Tailcone / Fuse Template
From: "Lew Gallagher" <lewgall@charter.net>
Hey Phil,
It's been a while since we did this, but I think I remember this edge
distance
being important -- after the fact. Make sure you get the holes close enough
to
the edge so that the nuts will turn; and no more, so that installation
works
and you still have structural integrity. We ended up using a nut to get the
distance.
Later, - Lew
--------
non-pilot
crazy about building
NOW OFICIALLY BUILDER #40549
Painting done!
On with wiring and avionics.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=271570#271570
________________________________ Message 8
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Time: 10:06:18 AM PST US
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Tailcone / Fuse Template
From: "Perry, Phil" <Phil.Perry@netapp.com>
Hi Lew,
Yeah, I asked a couple of questions around this topic a few weeks ago
and Bob Leffler helped me out with the measurements.
But late last night I built a mock up of the longerons and tested the
hole positions. Unfortunately I couldn't keep the washers off the
fillet curve and moving the hole further to the edge compromised the 2D
edge distance for #12 (AN3) holes. The only way I can really keep the
washers flat on the aluminum is to compromise edge clearance by 1/32 or
2/32 (1/16th).
That's why I am curious to see what the real measurements on the
template are. I'm curious to know if Vans intentionally compromised the
edge distance a bit to get flat washers. It's 1/8" aluminum angle, so I
could see them cheating a bit.
But before I commit holes, I want to be absolutely sure. :)
Another option that came up is to maintain the proper edge distance, but
file the washer down where it intersects the fillet curve. Then prime
the washer where the cadmium plate was removed.
Phil
-----Original Message-----
From: Lew Gallagher [mailto:lewgall@charter.net]
Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2009 11:48 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: Tailcone / Fuse Template
Hey Phil,
It's been a while since we did this, but I think I remember this edge
distance being important -- after the fact. Make sure you get the holes
close enough to the edge so that the nuts will turn; and no more, so
that installation works and you still have structural integrity. We
ended up using a nut to get the distance.
Later, - Lew
--------
non-pilot
crazy about building
NOW OFICIALLY BUILDER #40549
Painting done!
On with wiring and avionics.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=271570#271570
________________________________ Message 9
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Time: 10:13:43 AM PST US
From: "Lew Gallagher" <lewgall@charter.net>
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Tailcone / Fuse Template
----- Original Message -----
From: "Perry, Phil" <Phil.Perry@netapp.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2009 1:05 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Tailcone / Fuse Template
Yup, filed the washers. Later, - Lew
>
> Hi Lew,
>
> Yeah, I asked a couple of questions around this topic a few weeks ago
> and Bob Leffler helped me out with the measurements.
>
> But late last night I built a mock up of the longerons and tested the
> hole positions. Unfortunately I couldn't keep the washers off the
> fillet curve and moving the hole further to the edge compromised the 2D
> edge distance for #12 (AN3) holes. The only way I can really keep the
> washers flat on the aluminum is to compromise edge clearance by 1/32 or
> 2/32 (1/16th).
>
> That's why I am curious to see what the real measurements on the
> template are. I'm curious to know if Vans intentionally compromised the
> edge distance a bit to get flat washers. It's 1/8" aluminum angle, so I
> could see them cheating a bit.
>
> But before I commit holes, I want to be absolutely sure. :)
>
> Another option that came up is to maintain the proper edge distance, but
> file the washer down where it intersects the fillet curve. Then prime
> the washer where the cadmium plate was removed.
>
> Phil
________________________________ Message 10
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Time: 10:29:25 AM PST US
Subject: RV10-List: Re: Tailcone / Fuse Template
From: "johngoodman" <johngoodman@earthlink.net>
Grind down the washer.
John
--------
#40572 QB Fuselage, wings finished. Finish Kit progressing. Engine &
Panel
delivery soon.
N711JG reserved
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Time: 01:18:07 PM PST US
From: Linn Walters <pitts_pilot@bellsouth.net>
Subject: RV10-List: shippers
There was some chatter awhile back on shippers ..... and a website for
cheapest shippers. I saved the information so well I can't find it!!!
I have an email out to Partain .... if he's still shipping.
Linn
do not archive
________________________________ Message 12
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Time: 01:20:09 PM PST US
From: Linn Walters <pitts_pilot@bellsouth.net>
Subject: RV10-List: FWF kit
Anyone remember what their FWF kit weighed??? Cost???
Linn
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________________________________ Message 13
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Time: 03:53:28 PM PST US
Subject: Re: RV10-List: shippers
From: John Trollinger <john@trollingers.com>
Partain is giving a 10% discount now (saw add on vansaircraft) I am having
them ship my fuselage, it came out about $100 cheaper than ABF and I trust
them more with my plane parts.
On Sat, Nov 7, 2009 at 4:16 PM, Linn Walters
<pitts_pilot@bellsouth.net>wrote:
>
> There was some chatter awhile back on shippers ..... and a website for
> cheapest shippers. I saved the information so well I can't find it!!!
>
> I have an email out to Partain .... if he's still shipping.
> Linn
>
> do not archive
>
>
________________________________ Message 14
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Time: 03:53:28 PM PST US
From: Roxanne and Mike Lefever <roxianmike@msn.com>
Subject: RE: RV10-List: FWF kit
Looks like $6200 to $6500 on the order form on the website. No weight list
ed.
> Date: Sat=2C 7 Nov 2009 16:20:01 -0500
> From: pitts_pilot@bellsouth.net
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV10-List: FWF kit
>
>
> Anyone remember what their FWF kit weighed??? Cost???
> Linn
> do not archive
>
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________________________________ Message 15
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Time: 05:01:54 PM PST US
From: Dsyvert@aol.com
Subject: Re: RV10-List: FWF kit
Linn,
I got it about 4 months ago. The one box I still have no is the
Vetterman exhaust. It says 2 of 2 on the box and is 33" x 11" x 18"
weighing 30
to 40 lbs. The other box was probably about the same, maybe a little
heavier.
Dave Syvertson
In a message dated 11/7/2009 3:22:03 P.M. Central Standard Time,
pitts_pilot@bellsouth.net writes:
--> RV10-List message posted by: Linn Walters <pitts_pilot@bellsouth.net>
Anyone remember what their FWF kit weighed??? Cost???
Linn
do not archive
________________________________ Message 16
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Time: 06:43:43 PM PST US
From: "Les Kearney" <kearney@shaw.ca>
Subject: RV10-List: Brake Exit Hole Redux
Hi
After reading the posts of some builders who inadvertently enlarged the hole
in the gear mount, I can sympathize after looking at the plans. They are vey
misleading especially when considering that the hole in the gear mount (at
least mine is) is undersized.
Can anyone tell me where in the plans we are instructed to enlarge this
hole? From what I can see, it should be at least 7/16 to take the AN4
fitting.
Inquiring minds need to know.
Les
#40643 - Not quite out of fibreglass hell, but on a day pass
________________________________ Message 17
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Time: 06:44:54 PM PST US
Subject: RV10-List: doors & latches
From: "rvdave" <davidbf@centurytel.net>
I'm at the point of assembling doors and want to change to the flush
latches/handles.
For those who have installed flush handles, how far can I go with assembly
of doors before I need to alter plans for the alternate mechanism? Can I
proceed as if I were going ahead with supplied parts and change later? I've
seen a couple photos of the flush handles, but not sure how many different
types
are available or where to obtain them? Thanks in advance,
--------
Dave Ford
RV6 flying
RV10 building
Cadillac, MI
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Time: 07:01:48 PM PST US
From: Dave Saylor <dave.saylor.aircrafters@gmail.com>
Subject: RV10-List: Yuma
If Albert or others from Yuma are on the list, can you drop me a line? I'll
be there for Thanksgiving wondered where to park, fuel, etc.
Thanks,
Dave Saylor
AirCrafters LLC
140 Aviation Way
Watsonville, CA 95076
831-722-9141 Shop
831-750-0284 Cell
________________________________ Message 19
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Time: 07:05:16 PM PST US
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Brake Exit Hole Redux
From: "Perry, Phil" <Phil.Perry@netapp.com>
Hi Les,
I'm the guilty one for initiating the initial thread. And yes, the
plans are still confusing and I know what I'm doing at this point. J
The hole in the landing gear mount was probably drilled correctly, but
the powder coatings has shrunk the hole. The correct hole size is 7/16"
in the landing gear mount and 5/8" in the bottom skin.
Phil
From: Les Kearney [mailto:kearney@shaw.ca]
Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2009 7:26 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Brake Exit Hole Redux
Hi
After reading the posts of some builders who inadvertently enlarged the
hole in the gear mount, I can sympathize after looking at the plans.
They are vey misleading especially when considering that the hole in the
gear mount (at least mine is) is undersized.
Can anyone tell me where in the plans we are instructed to enlarge this
hole? From what I can see, it should be at least 7/16 to take the AN4
fitting.
Inquiring minds need to know.
Les
#40643 - Not quite out of fibreglass hell, but on a day pass
________________________________ Message 20
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Time: 07:05:20 PM PST US
From: "Les Kearney" <kearney@shaw.ca>
Subject: RE: RV10-List: doors & latches
Dave
I installed Steve Deniri's flush handles along with the flush locks. Go to
http://www.iflyrv10.com to see them. They were installed after the doors
were assembled - easily done. They are a very nice touch!
Don't forget to use the billet door blocks.
Cheers
Les
#40643 - Lost in fibreglass hell
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of rvdave
Sent: November-07-09 7:44 PM
Subject: RV10-List: doors & latches
I'm at the point of assembling doors and want to change to the flush
latches/handles. For those who have installed flush handles, how far can I
go with assembly of doors before I need to alter plans for the alternate
mechanism? Can I proceed as if I were going ahead with supplied parts and
change later? I've seen a couple photos of the flush handles, but not sure
how many different types are available or where to obtain them? Thanks in
advance,
--------
Dave Ford
RV6 flying
RV10 building
Cadillac, MI
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Time: 07:38:33 PM PST US
Subject: RV10-List: Re: shippers
From: "Lenny Iszak" <lenard@rapiddecision.com>
Linn,
I'd suggest go with Partain. They are set up to transport aircraft parts and
they
do it with care, unlike ABF.
ABF delivered my tail kit. It said "high dollar aircraft parts" on the box,
with
huge letters. Also two big arrows pointing up and " this side up" next to
it.
Guess which side was up in the truck... ABF just doesn't care.
Lenny
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Time: 08:57:48 PM PST US
From: "Rick and Sandra Lark" <jrlark@bmts.com>
Subject: Re: RV10-List: shippers
Linn
When I ordered my tail kit in May, I priced ABF freight from Aurora to Port
Huron, Mi where I planned to cross the Can/US border and bring the kit home
to Ontario. Vans price with Fed Ex freight was 40% of what ABF's price was.
Need less to say, it wasn't a difficult choice.
I seem to remember the shipping price was well under $400
Hope you find the same pricing difference
Rick
40956
Southampton, Not
---- Original Message -----
From: "Linn Walters" <pitts_pilot@bellsouth.net>
Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2009 4:16 PM
Subject: RV10-List: shippers
>
> There was some chatter awhile back on shippers ..... and a website for
> cheapest shippers. I saved the information so well I can't find it!!!
>
> I have an email out to Partain .... if he's still shipping.
> Linn
>
> do not archive
>
>
>
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It actually depends on what you are getting shipped. If it's just the empennage,
I'd choose the cheapest. Quick build wings and fuselage need a lot of care,
and I'm glad I used Partain.
John
--------
#40572 QB Fuselage, wings finished. Finish Kit progressing. Engine & Panel
delivery soon.
N711JG reserved
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| Subject: | bottom cowling alignment |
I am working on the cowling and have the top lined up precisely. The
bottom cowl alignment has me stumped however. The aft lower section is
flush on the 1001Q as well as the skins along the fusellage on the
bottom and sides. Everything looked great until I took the spacers off
for the side hinge (47 pg 6 step 11) now the bottom cowling forward
section (behind the spinner) is very close (aka the 1/8 space is now
more like 1/32) Thinking I did something wrong I went back and realigned
the bottom, again everything lines up but the bottom area is the same.
Any ideas?
Thanks!
Pascal
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| Subject: | Re: doors & latches |
I believe you can go all the way before installing the handle and/or
lock. The installation is an add-on to the base install. A very minor
mod to the main hardware assembly involves replacing the stock handle
and button with big button (don't remember the details since it was a
while ago). The billet flush handle and key lock can go in anytime.
I just finished the billet handle and key lock. They look good but I'm
somewhat sorry I didn't stick with the stock setup. Turning the stock
handle into a nice teardrop would remove a lot of the clunkiness.
Adding just the keylock would proved the added security if desired.
But it took a bit more time than I would have liked and I still have to
create some sore of bubble to contain the keylock and handle mechanism.
Both (either) are thicker than the door by a slight amount - a fact not
covered in the plans. And I worry a bit about the ruggedness of the
whole assembly in actual operations.
I don't recall what vintage billet handle and lock that I have but I did
get it over a year ago.
Bill "mounting the canopy - windows in by Christmas" Watson
rvdave wrote:
>
> I'm at the point of assembling doors and want to change to the flush latches/handles.
For those who have installed flush handles, how far can I go with assembly
of doors before I need to alter plans for the alternate mechanism? Can
I proceed as if I were going ahead with supplied parts and change later? I've
seen a couple photos of the flush handles, but not sure how many different types
are available or where to obtain them? Thanks in advance,
>
> --------
> Dave Ford
> RV6 flying
> RV10 building
> Cadillac, MI
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=271631#271631
>
>
>
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I had some stuff come via ABF - and had to deal with an after the fact
rear gate lift charge. It was fixed but required a few faxes and
conversations.
Partain was great.
Bill
Rick and Sandra Lark wrote:
>
> Linn
>
> When I ordered my tail kit in May, I priced ABF freight from Aurora to
> Port Huron, Mi where I planned to cross the Can/US border and bring
> the kit home to Ontario. Vans price with Fed Ex freight was 40% of
> what ABF's price was.
>
> Need less to say, it wasn't a difficult choice.
>
> I seem to remember the shipping price was well under $400
>
> Hope you find the same pricing difference
>
> Rick
> 40956
> Southampton, Not
>
> ---- Original Message ----- From: "Linn Walters"
> <pitts_pilot@bellsouth.net>
> To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>; <rv-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2009 4:16 PM
> Subject: RV10-List: shippers
>
>
>> <pitts_pilot@bellsouth.net>
>>
>> There was some chatter awhile back on shippers ..... and a website for
>> cheapest shippers. I saved the information so well I can't find it!!!
>>
>> I have an email out to Partain .... if he's still shipping.
>> Linn
>>
>> do not archive
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: bottom cowling alignment |
Sounds like you have to go back and extract more material from the firewall area
- very slowly and carefully - perhaps on both the top and bottom halves. It
is an exasperating job and must be done slowly and very carefully to keep the
fit at the spinner correct.
Note of caution: My cowling wound up a bit offset to the right - maybe only 1/4
inch offset as you look at it from the pilot seat. This seems like an almost
absurdly small error, but when I went flying (after the engine settled on its
mounts) the #2 cylinder valve cover (front left) hit the cowling during power
changes and at start -up. Solution - I had to put a dent in the valve cover (again
very carefully)n to prevent the terrible vibrations.
--------
OSH '10 or Bust
Q/B Kit - phase 1
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I ordered complete RV-10 sb kit Aug 24th, 2009. Partain scheduled to p/u one week
earlier than Van's was going to have ready. I called Barbara and she got it
ready early on Oct 9th. Partain then said they had a full load heading east already.
I decided to wait three weeks for "the best" and save $125. That put me
up to Nov 2nd. Partain said he would get me scheduled for the next trip east.
I call Nov 2nd and he is booked up again. Van's had pulled some of my "paid
for" kit parts to ship to someone else(hope they are enjoying them). Still no
reason not to keep the schedule. Van's can ship remaining items at no charge.
I told Van's to ship my kit on the next reliable commercial company with insurance,
I don't care what it cost. They can deliver 1,750 lbs 1,827 nautical miles
via rocket for all I care. I then was scheduled for pickup Fri Nov 6th. Last
week crating guy was out sick. I am nice and try to understand. Maybe they just
have one crating guy and are swamped with higher priority builders than me.
So, once again waiting patiently for pickup from BAX Global. We'll see next
Friday the 13th...that may just be my lucky day. I run a residential hvac business
by myself. I know exactly when I can do a service call one day out or install
a system 5 weeks out. If I am going to run into problems staying on schedule
I will call my customers. It only takes 3 minutes max. That is $3.50 of my
time. By the way my customers only spend $5,000-$12,000 dollars on a system and
would still be a little irratated if I did not call them. They probably would
cancel and get the competition. I spent $40,000+ with Van's, they have a great
product and reputation. But it seems that most people on both big web sites
talk both of these companies up hence the main reason for choosing an RV and
Partain. Both Van's and Partain were always nice and polite they are just not
great at keeping you informed about your "dream". I am sure once I get the kit
delivered to my shop- all will be better. Just venting a little.
--------
Wayne Gillispie
Builder #40983
RV-10 Kit Ordered 8/24/09
Grayson, Kentucky
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You think Van's is bad???.... There are guys waiting over a year
(yes, over a year) for parts from Murphy.... Vans has the nicest
people and close to the best service, may not be up to your
expectation, but it is very good as compared to others......
-Mike
Sent from my iPhone
On Nov 8, 2009, at 7:55 PM, "rv10flyer" <wayne.gillispie@yahoo.com>
wrote:
> >
>
> I ordered complete RV-10 sb kit Aug 24th, 2009. Partain scheduled to
> p/u one week earlier than Van's was going to have ready. I called
> Barbara and she got it ready early on Oct 9th. Partain then said
> they had a full load heading east already. I decided to wait three
> weeks for "the best" and save $125. That put me up to Nov 2nd.
> Partain said he would get me scheduled for the next trip east. I
> call Nov 2nd and he is booked up again. Van's had pulled some of my
> "paid for" kit parts to ship to someone else(hope they are enjoying
> them). Still no reason not to keep the schedule. Van's can ship
> remaining items at no charge. I told Van's to ship my kit on the
> next reliable commercial company with insurance, I don't care what
> it cost. They can deliver 1,750 lbs 1,827 nautical miles via rocket
> for all I care. I then was scheduled for pickup Fri Nov 6th. Last
> week crating guy was out sick. I am nice and try to understand.
> Maybe they just have one crating guy and are swamped with higher!
> priority builders than me. So, once again waiting patiently for
> pickup from BAX Global. We'll see next Friday the 13th...that may
> just be my lucky day. I run a residential hvac business by myself. I
> know exactly when I can do a service call one day out or install a
> system 5 weeks out. If I am going to run into problems staying on
> schedule I will call my customers. It only takes 3 minutes max. That
> is $3.50 of my time. By the way my customers only spend $5,000-
> $12,000 dollars on a system and would still be a little irratated if
> I did not call them. They probably would cancel and get the
> competition. I spent $40,000+ with Van's, they have a great product
> and reputation. But it seems that most people on both big web sites
> talk both of these companies up hence the main reason for choosing
> an RV and Partain. Both Van's and Partain were always nice and
> polite they are just not great at keeping you informed about your
> "dream". I am sure once I get the kit delivered to my shop- al!
> l will be better. Just venting a little.
>
> --------
> Wayne Gillispie
> Builder #40983
> RV-10 Kit Ordered 8/24/09
> Grayson, Kentucky
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=271743#271743
>
>
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Unfortunately you ran into the buzz saw of Vans trying to catch up with
6 months of Quick Build kit backlog that had just had a bunch of
containers arrive at Vans early Sept. Since they had a lot of money tied
up in these assembled components with a lot of frustrated, not so
patient customers that had been waiting 6 months or more from their
order date, it is easy to see why those kits got priority with both Vans
and Partain, who also had a "dry spell" while Vans had zero Quick build
kits going out.
Not that it makes you any happier, and at times Van's communications
could use some improvement, but the month or two delay in shipping will
be a nat's behind in the overall completion of your kit.
Personally, I ordered my QB kit in February, and got delivery via
Partain, missing some items on Oct 1. My build activities were totally
halted for 4 months.
I don't know if you did or did not send Partain a deposit. IIRC he
doesn't schedule you for a delivery slot until he has the deposit.
Other kit companies have gone through bankruptcies, and other horror
stories. So far, Vans seems to be about as good as it gets in the
homebuilder kit arena. Yes, I would like it to be better, but as long as
I can get reasonable support, parts in relatively reasonable time, and
they are still making a profit, I will be mostly happy.
Kelly
40866
rv10flyer wrote:
>
> I ordered complete RV-10 sb kit Aug 24th, 2009. Partain scheduled to p/u one
week earlier than Van's was going to have ready. I called Barbara and she got
it ready early on Oct 9th.
> --------
> Wayne Gillispie
> Builder #40983
> RV-10 Kit Ordered 8/24/09
> Grayson, Kentucky
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| Subject: | Re: doors & latches |
I have been flying with the iflyrv10.com billet handles for about a
year now. They look nice and are working fine. However, if I was
doing it again, I would probably stay with the stock setup. Like
Bill, I worry a bit about the ruggedness of the assembly over the
long haul. It is a fair amount of work/time to install the billet
handles. Steve Dinieri is great to work with and puts out really nice
products. I am not disappointed with the product or the support. This
is just one of those things that seemed important to me a couple of
years ago, but looking at it from this vantage point, I don't think I
needed it. I do remember that at the time I bought the billet
handles, Steve's setup was the only one that preserved the very
important feature of the latching setup for the handle in the closed
position. That is pretty critical in the RV-10. That is the reason
that the stock handle is replaced with the button. I don't know what
the competing products look like now. I also put in Steve's door
locks and really like them. Very nice setup and easy to install.
David Maib
40559
Flying
On Nov 8, 2009, at 11:41 AM, Bill Mauledriver Watson wrote:
<MauleDriver@nc.rr.com>
I believe you can go all the way before installing the handle and/or
lock. The installation is an add-on to the base install. A very
minor mod to the main hardware assembly involves replacing the stock
handle and button with big button (don't remember the details since
it was a while ago). The billet flush handle and key lock can go in
anytime.
I just finished the billet handle and key lock. They look good but
I'm somewhat sorry I didn't stick with the stock setup. Turning the
stock handle into a nice teardrop would remove a lot of the
clunkiness. Adding just the keylock would proved the added security
if desired. But it took a bit more time than I would have liked and
I still have to create some sore of bubble to contain the keylock and
handle mechanism. Both (either) are thicker than the door by a
slight amount - a fact not covered in the plans. And I worry a bit
about the ruggedness of the whole assembly in actual operations.
I don't recall what vintage billet handle and lock that I have but I
did get it over a year ago.
Bill "mounting the canopy - windows in by Christmas" Watson
rvdave wrote:
>
> I'm at the point of assembling doors and want to change to the
> flush latches/handles. For those who have installed flush handles,
> how far can I go with assembly of doors before I need to alter
> plans for the alternate mechanism? Can I proceed as if I were
> going ahead with supplied parts and change later? I've seen a
> couple photos of the flush handles, but not sure how many different
> types are available or where to obtain them? Thanks in advance,
>
> --------
> Dave Ford
> RV6 flying
> RV10 building
> Cadillac, MI
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=271631#271631
>
>
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Speaking of venting............here you go..........here's mine
I am consistently surprised as the complaining that goes on in this mailing
list.........complaints about something not done on the QB?...
......like longerons not cut to the exact final spec?.....some rivet missin
g?........some clecos under a floorboard.......give me a break.............
...if you don't want to build an airplane then don't build an airplane (spo
ken by a true QB building part time in year 6 of my QB!).........its our ch
oice........pay the extra for QB or do it yourself....
....and getting on Van's "arss" about timelines?..........please give me br
eak #2.....
most on this list with deposits in=2C or placed within the last 18 months
heard they lost their QB operation and then heard that they were starting a
new QB operation.......I heard by the way that Van's gave back deposits if
requested due to this issue.....thus all should have "managed thy expectat
ions"
Last but not least=2C LEAD TIMES.........give me a break #3........I starte
d going to Oshgosh in 1973..............and guess what.................I ca
n't count the number of designers selling kits that ripped off their "custo
mers" by not delivering against deposits received...Vans is the longest sur
viving kit company in experimental history.......(frankly as a businessman
I am somewhat concerned about new management/ownership that has taken on th
e obligations of a new building and stocking kit inventory in recent years
to provide short lead times in delivery)................Van himself used to
run the business and survive regardless of the economic conditions because
he didn't make financial commitments to inventory/components until they ha
d an order evidenced by deposits (at least he said that and if you toured t
he plant you didn't see much in the way of inventory)
And last but not least..........whine about Tony Partain or his scheduling?
.....call his competition.........oh wait..........he doesn't have any.....
......or at least any that treat your expensive parts like fine china!
So as a reminder=2C aviation businesses struggle to make it in any enviorme
nt. Experimental aircraft related business have even a tougher time......h
istory provides that evidence.....so while Tiger Woods goes to bed tonight
he should be delivering a thank you to Arnold Palmer=2C we should be thankf
ul we have Van's as a designer/supplier..............everything we do has t
o be evaluated on a relative basis rather than absolute/ideals. Buy a kit
from another kit supplier.........please.............then report back!
Geez I feel so much better..........back to sanding!
Mike Lefever
> Subject: RV10-List: Re: shippers
> From: wayne.gillispie@yahoo.com
> Date: Sun=2C 8 Nov 2009 16:55:02 -0800
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>
>
> I ordered complete RV-10 sb kit Aug 24th=2C 2009. Partain scheduled to p/
u one week earlier than Van's was going to have ready. I called Barbara and
she got it ready early on Oct 9th. Partain then said they had a full load
heading east already. I decided to wait three weeks for "the best" and save
$125. That put me up to Nov 2nd. Partain said he would get me scheduled fo
r the next trip east. I call Nov 2nd and he is booked up again. Van's had p
ulled some of my "paid for" kit parts to ship to someone else(hope they are
enjoying them). Still no reason not to keep the schedule. Van's can ship r
emaining items at no charge. I told Van's to ship my kit on the next reliab
le commercial company with insurance=2C I don't care what it cost. They can
deliver 1=2C750 lbs 1=2C827 nautical miles via rocket for all I care. I th
en was scheduled for pickup Fri Nov 6th. Last week crating guy was out sick
. I am nice and try to understand. Maybe they just have one crating guy and
are swamped with higher!
> priority builders than me. So=2C once again waiting patiently for pickup
from BAX Global. We'll see next Friday the 13th...that may just be my lucky
day. I run a residential hvac business by myself. I know exactly when I ca
n do a service call one day out or install a system 5 weeks out. If I am go
ing to run into problems staying on schedule I will call my customers. It o
nly takes 3 minutes max. That is $3.50 of my time. By the way my customers
only spend $5=2C000-$12=2C000 dollars on a system and would still be a litt
le irratated if I did not call them. They probably would cancel and get the
competition. I spent $40=2C000+ with Van's=2C they have a great product an
d reputation. But it seems that most people on both big web sites talk both
of these companies up hence the main reason for choosing an RV and Partain
. Both Van's and Partain were always nice and polite they are just not grea
t at keeping you informed about your "dream". I am sure once I get the kit
delivered to my shop- al!
> l will be better. Just venting a little.
>
> --------
> Wayne Gillispie
> Builder #40983
> RV-10 Kit Ordered 8/24/09
> Grayson=2C Kentucky
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=271743#271743
>
>
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Wayne;
Shame you are getting off to a lousy start.
Van's always kept me updated on my SB kits in the form of a sheet with my
delivery date in each and every kit. I received this and was told when it
was ship and the tracking number on time each time.
They have been great with support, contrary to some feedback many have had,
once one gets past the attitude of 1 person they are patient and
"supportive"
My advice is plan ahead, my engine took months to arrive ( BTW more $ alone
than the complete kit combined) - about 2 months behind schedule, I am told
I was lucky, it usually takes longer, my prop from Vans arrived early, about
1 month, it sat idle for a month before getting installed but it was ready
when I was..
Accept delays and plan for them, I expect my avionics will take a couple of
months to arrive and I will wait until the 61st day before I need it to
order them, mostly because my opinion is subject to change as does
technology.
Have confidence that Van's, the builders and your journey building should be
far better moving forward than your past experience.
The group on this list are all great, you will get venting back because most
of us know what the "other side" is like and know we have it good, in time
ou too will see this.
Best of success in your building.
BTW- it's all about timing and you just happened to fall in to the wrong
time to get a QB. This is unusual.
Pascal
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From: "rv10flyer" <wayne.gillispie@yahoo.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2009 4:55 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: shippers
>
> I ordered complete RV-10 sb kit Aug 24th, 2009. Partain scheduled to p/u
> one week earlier than Van's was going to have ready. I called Barbara and
> she got it ready early on Oct 9th. Partain then said they had a full load
> heading east already. I decided to wait three weeks for "the best" and
> save $125. That put me up to Nov 2nd. Partain said he would get me
> scheduled for the next trip east. I call Nov 2nd and he is booked up
> again. Van's had pulled some of my "paid for" kit parts to ship to someone
> else(hope they are enjoying them). Still no reason not to keep the
> schedule. Van's can ship remaining items at no charge. I told Van's to
> ship my kit on the next reliable commercial company with insurance, I
> don't care what it cost. They can deliver 1,750 lbs 1,827 nautical miles
> via rocket for all I care. I then was scheduled for pickup Fri Nov 6th.
> Last week crating guy was out sick. I am nice and try to understand. Maybe
> they just have one crating guy and are swamped with higher!
> priority builders than me. So, once again waiting patiently for pickup
> from BAX Global. We'll see next Friday the 13th...that may just be my
> lucky day. I run a residential hvac business by myself. I know exactly
> when I can do a service call one day out or install a system 5 weeks out.
> If I am going to run into problems staying on schedule I will call my
> customers. It only takes 3 minutes max. That is $3.50 of my time. By the
> way my customers only spend $5,000-$12,000 dollars on a system and would
> still be a little irratated if I did not call them. They probably would
> cancel and get the competition. I spent $40,000+ with Van's, they have a
> great product and reputation. But it seems that most people on both big
> web sites talk both of these companies up hence the main reason for
> choosing an RV and Partain. Both Van's and Partain were always nice and
> polite they are just not great at keeping you informed about your "dream".
> I am sure once I get the kit delivered to my shop- al!
> l will be better. Just venting a little.
>
> --------
> Wayne Gillispie
> Builder #40983
> RV-10 Kit Ordered 8/24/09
> Grayson, Kentucky
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=271743#271743
>
>
>
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Thanks for the information guys. I would like the next guy that does a search for
"shipping" like I did to understand what he is getting into and what his options
are. Van's did a great job and my kit was complete and ready to ship Oct
9th one week earlier than originally scheduled. So, I highly recommend Van's.
You just have to make most of the phone calls if you want to know anything. Not
a complaint just information for the next guy. I will let you know how BAX
Global does.
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Wayne Gillispie
Builder #40983
RV-10 Kit Ordered 8/24/09
Grayson, Kentucky
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