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1. 05:15 AM - Re: Door Center Latch (Bobby J. Hughes)
2. 06:10 AM - Re: Door Center Latch (Linn Walters)
3. 12:03 PM - Re: Door Center Latch (Scott Schmidt)
4. 12:23 PM - Re: Door Center Latch (Geoff Combs)
5. 01:59 PM - Re: Door Center Latch (Bill Mauledriver Watson)
6. 03:05 PM - Re: Door Center Latch (Scott Schmidt)
7. 03:05 PM - Fuel Lube on Brake Line Fittings? (Patrick Pulis)
8. 04:02 PM - Re: Fuel Lube on Brake Line Fittings? (Jeff Carpenter)
9. 05:19 PM - Re: Fuel Lube on Brake Line Fittings? (Bob Leffler)
10. 07:36 PM - Re: Fuel Lube on Brake Line Fittings? (AirMike)
11. 09:52 PM - Re: Re: Fuel Lube on Brake Line Fittings? (Les Kearney)
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| Subject: | Door Center Latch |
Looks perfect Greg. Nice instructions on your web site.
Bobby Hughes
N416AS
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of greghale
Sent: Monday, November 09, 2009 8:09 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Door Center Latch
The RV10 forum is great place for ideas and problems in building and
flight control.
After reading all the topics about the lower edge of the door bulging
out in flight, I decided to come up with my own latch. I was able to
design and install a center door pin that operates with the door handle.
All of the mechanism is hidden by my interior's arm rest. This is a
link to a page on my web site devoted to the door center latch.
http://www.nwacaptain.com/door_center_latch.html
Greg...
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Greg Hale rv10 -- N210KH
www.nwacaptain.com
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=272012#272012
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| Subject: | Re: Door Center Latch |
Hi Rick .... almost ..... I have two latches inboard of the lower
corners ..... but don't have one in the middle. I'll stiffen the door
before I add another latch. I only know of one that the door bulges in
flight .... any others?? The one door could be an anomaly.
I'm in the process of grinding the door frame down to take the
McMaster-carr door seals. The dust gets blown out the door of my shop
..... looks like it snowed!!! In FL!!!
Linn
do not archive
ricksked@embarqmail.com wrote:
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> Linn Walters already has this almost perfected....
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> From: "greghale" <ghale5224@aol.com>
> Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2009 18:08:38
> To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: RV10-List: Door Center Latch
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> The RV10 forum is great place for ideas and problems in building and flight control.
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> After reading all the topics about the lower edge of the door bulging out in
flight, I decided to come up with my own latch. I was able to design and install
a center door pin that operates with the door handle. All of the mechanism
is hidden by my interior's arm rest. This is a link to a page on my web site
devoted to the door center latch.
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> http://www.nwacaptain.com/door_center_latch.html
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> Greg...
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> Greg Hale rv10 -- N210KH
> www.nwacaptain.com
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| Subject: | Re: Door Center Latch |
My feeling is that it could be a bad door. I paid close attention the last few
flights and my door does not budge in the center.
Do the ones that have the bulge have the overhead console? Could it be internal
pressure caused by high air flow?
Scott Schmidt
scottmschmidt@yahoo.com
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From: Linn Walters <pitts_pilot@bellsouth.net>
Sent: Tue, November 10, 2009 7:06:43 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Door Center Latch
Hi Rick .... almost ..... I have two latches inboard of the lower corners .....
but don't have one in the middle. I'll stiffen the door before I add another
latch. I only know of one that the door bulges in flight .... any others??
The one door could be an anomaly.
I'm in the process of grinding the door frame down to take the McMaster-carr door
seals. The dust gets blown out the door of my shop ..... looks like it snowed!!!
In FL!!!
Linn
do not archive
ricksked@embarqmail.com wrote:
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> Linn Walters already has this almost perfected....
> Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: "greghale" <ghale5224@aol.com>
> Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2009 18:08:38 To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: RV10-List: Door Center Latch
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> The RV10 forum is great place for ideas and problems in building and flight control.
> After reading all the topics about the lower edge of the door bulging out in
flight, I decided to come up with my own latch. I was able to design and install
a center door pin that operates with the door handle. All of the mechanism
is hidden by my interior's arm rest. This is a link to a page on my web site
devoted to the door center latch.
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> http://www.nwacaptain.com/door_center_latch.html
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> Greg...
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> Greg Hale rv10 -- N210KH
> www.nwacaptain.com
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| Subject: | Door Center Latch |
I think that this bulge could be caused by the 2 door skins not getting
glued correctly with the 3 Dimensional fiberglass. That door is pretty
strong if both halves are bonded correctly. If that joint
would come apart I think the door would be much weaker.
Geoff Combs
President
Aerosport Modeling & Design
8090 Howe Industrial Parkway
Canal Winchester, Ohio 43110
614-834-5227p
614-834-5230f
www.aerosportmodeling.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Scott Schmidt
Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 2:47 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Door Center Latch
My feeling is that it could be a bad door. I paid close attention the
last
few flights and my door does not budge in the center.
Do the ones that have the bulge have the overhead console? Could it be
internal pressure caused by high air flow?
Scott Schmidt
scottmschmidt@yahoo.com
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From: Linn Walters <pitts_pilot@bellsouth.net>
Sent: Tue, November 10, 2009 7:06:43 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Door Center Latch
<pitts_pilot@bellsouth.net>
Hi Rick .... almost ..... I have two latches inboard of the lower
corners
..... but don't have one in the middle. I'll stiffen the door before I
add
another latch. I only know of one that the door bulges in flight ....
any
others?? The one door could be an anomaly.
I'm in the process of grinding the door frame down to take the
McMaster-carr
door seals. The dust gets blown out the door of my shop ..... looks
like it
snowed!!! In FL!!!
Linn
do not archive
ricksked@embarqmail.com wrote:
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> Linn Walters already has this almost perfected....
> Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: "greghale" <ghale5224@aol.com>
> Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2009 18:08:38 To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: RV10-List: Door Center Latch
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> The RV10 forum is great place for ideas and problems in building and
flight control.
> After reading all the topics about the lower edge of the door bulging
out
in flight, I decided to come up with my own latch. I was able to design
and
install a center door pin that operates with the door handle. All of
the
mechanism is hidden by my interior's arm rest. This is a link to a page
on
my web site devoted to the door center latch.
>
> http://www.nwacaptain.com/door_center_latch.html
>
> Greg...
>
> --------
> Greg Hale rv10 -- N210KH
> www.nwacaptain.com
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| Subject: | Re: Door Center Latch |
I was wondering whether the earlier doors had the carbon fiber in them.
I have pink doors with carbon fiber bands across the bottom.
Bill
Geoff Combs wrote:
> I think that this bulge could be caused by the 2 door skins not
> getting glued correctly with the 3 Dimensional fiberglass. That door
> is pretty strong if both halves are bonded correctly. If that joint
> would come apart I think the door would be much weaker.
>
>
> *Geoff Combs*
> President
> Aerosport Modeling & Design
> 8090 Howe Industrial Parkway
> Canal Winchester, Ohio 43110
> *614-834-5227p*
> 614-834-5230f
> www.aerosportmodeling.com
> -----Original Message-----
> *From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Scott Schmidt
> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 10, 2009 2:47 PM
> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* Re: RV10-List: Door Center Latch
>
> My feeling is that it could be a bad door. I paid close attention the
> last few flights and my door does not budge in the center.
> Do the ones that have the bulge have the overhead console? Could it
> be internal pressure caused by high air flow?
>
> Scott Schmidt
> scottmschmidt@yahoo.com
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *From:* Linn Walters <pitts_pilot@bellsouth.net>
> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com
> *Sent:* Tue, November 10, 2009 7:06:43 AM
> *Subject:* Re: RV10-List: Door Center Latch
>
> <pitts_pilot@bellsouth.net <mailto:pitts_pilot@bellsouth.net>>
>
> Hi Rick .... almost ..... I have two latches inboard of the lower
> corners ..... but don't have one in the middle. I'll stiffen the door
> before I add another latch. I only know of one that the door bulges
> in flight .... any others?? The one door could be an anomaly.
>
>
> I'm in the process of grinding the door frame down to take the
> McMaster-carr door seals. The dust gets blown out the door of my shop
> ..... looks like it snowed!!! In FL!!!
> Linn
>
> do not archive
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> ricksked@embarqmail.com <mailto:ricksked@embarqmail.com> wrote:
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> > From: "greghale" <ghale5224@aol.com <mailto:ghale5224@aol.com>>
> > Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2009 18:08:38 To: <rv10-list@matronics.com
> <mailto:rv10-list@matronics.com>>
> > Subject: RV10-List: Door Center Latch
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> <mailto:ghale5224@aol.com>>
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> > The RV10 forum is great place for ideas and problems in building and
> flight control.
> > After reading all the topics about the lower edge of the door
> bulging out in flight, I decided to come up with my own latch. I was
> able to design and install a center door pin that operates with the
> door handle. All of the mechanism is hidden by my interior's arm
> rest. This is a link to a page on my web site devoted to the door
> center latch.
> >
> > http://www.nwacaptain.com/door_center_latch.html
> >
> > Greg...
> >
> > --------
> > Greg Hale rv10 -- N210KH
> > www.nwacaptain.com <http://www.nwacaptain.com>
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| Subject: | Re: Door Center Latch |
I think all of them do. Van added that very early in the development.
I am kit 111 and have it. Mine also was not the pink doors.
Scott Schmidt
scottmschmidt@yahoo.com
________________________________
From: Bill Mauledriver Watson <MauleDriver@nc.rr.com>
Sent: Tue, November 10, 2009 1:49:46 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Door Center Latch
I was wondering whether the earlier doors had the carbon fiber in them. I have
pink doors with carbon fiber bands across the bottom.
Bill
Geoff Combs wrote:
> I think that this bulge could be caused by the 2 door skins not getting glued
correctly with the 3 Dimensional fiberglass. That door is pretty strong if both
halves are bonded correctly. If that joint
> would come apart I think the door would be much weaker.
> *Geoff Combs*
> President
> Aerosport Modeling & Design
> 8090 Howe Industrial Parkway Canal Winchester, Ohio 43110
> *614-834-5227p*
> 614-834-5230f
> www.aerosportmodeling.com
> -----Original Message-----
> *From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Scott Schmidt
> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 10, 2009 2:47 PM
> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* Re: RV10-List: Door Center Latch
>
> My feeling is that it could be a bad door. I paid close attention the last few
flights and my door does not budge in the center. Do the ones that have the
bulge have the overhead console? Could it be internal pressure caused by high
air flow? Scott Schmidt
> scottmschmidt@yahoo.com
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *From:* Linn Walters <pitts_pilot@bellsouth.net>
> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com
> *Sent:* Tue, November 10, 2009 7:06:43 AM
> *Subject:* Re: RV10-List: Door Center Latch
>
>
> Hi Rick .... almost ..... I have two latches inboard of the lower corners .....
but don't have one in the middle. I'll stiffen the door before I add another
latch. I only know of one that the door bulges in flight .... any others??
The one door could be an anomaly.
>
>
> I'm in the process of grinding the door frame down to take the McMaster-carr
door seals. The dust gets blown out the door of my shop ..... looks like it snowed!!!
In FL!!!
> Linn
>
> do not archive
>
> ricksked@embarqmail.com <mailto:ricksked@embarqmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Linn Walters already has this almost perfected....
> > Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: "greghale" <ghale5224@aol.com <mailto:ghale5224@aol.com>>
> > Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2009 18:08:38 To: <rv10-list@matronics.com <mailto:rv10-list@matronics.com>>
> > Subject: RV10-List: Door Center Latch
> >
> >
> > The RV10 forum is great place for ideas and problems in building and flight
control. > After reading all the topics about the lower edge of the door bulging
out in flight, I decided to come up with my own latch. I was able to design
and install a center door pin that operates with the door handle. All of the
mechanism is hidden by my interior's arm rest. This is a link to a page on
my web site devoted to the door center latch.
> >
> > http://www.nwacaptain.com/door_center_latch.html
> >
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> >
> > --------
> > Greg Hale rv10 -- N210KH
> > www.nwacaptain.com<http://www.nwacaptain.com>
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| Subject: | Fuel Lube on Brake Line Fittings? |
Guys, could you please tell me if fuel lube should be applied to the thread
s on brake line fittings during installation?=0A=0AKind regards from a warm
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Lube on Brake Line Fittings? |
That's what I was advised to do and what I have done... for what
little that is worth.
Jeff Carpenter
40304
On Nov 10, 2009, at 2:35 PM, Patrick Pulis wrote:
> Guys, could you please tell me if fuel lube should be applied to the
> threads on brake line fittings during installation?
>
> Kind regards from a warm down under - fours days straights of 100F,
> at least there's no snow!
>
> Patrick Pulis
> Adelaide, South Australia
>
> From: Bob Leffler <rv@thelefflers.com>
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Tue, 10 November, 2009 12:37:03 PM
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Question about AN Fittings
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> No, don=92t use Teflon. Use fuel lube on the threads.
>
> bob
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> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> ] On Behalf Of Les Kearney
> Sent: Monday, November 09, 2009 8:16 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV10-List: Question about AN Fittings
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> Hi
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> I have some AN nipples that I want to install on a Matco parking
> brake. As these connections are not compression fittings, should I
> be using anything like Teflon tape on the joints?
>
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| Subject: | Fuel Lube on Brake Line Fittings? |
It=99s certainly easier than after installation. :^) I had to
beat Rick to the punch.
I applied fuel lube to the threads of all my brake fittings.
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Patrick Pulis
Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 5:36 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Fuel Lube on Brake Line Fittings?
Guys, could you please tell me if fuel lube should be applied to the
threads on brake line fittings during installation?
Kind regards from a warm down under - fours days straights of 100F, at
least there's no snow!
Patrick Pulis
Adelaide, South Australia
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Lube on Brake Line Fittings? |
I used fuel lube on my brake line fittings and had good luck with all except two
fittings at my Matco (after market) parking brake. I had one heck of a leak
(very messy brake fluid) on the floor of the pilot footwell. It was a real mess.
I finally used Permatex non-hardening sealant on these fittings and finally
got the leak sealed. If you do not have a parking brake just use the fuel lube.
If you have the Matco parking brake valve (I love it) use Permatex on those
fittings. I think that it is Permatex #2 but not sure - it is a non-soluble sealant.
See my prior post (over 1 year ago) on the Matco brake.
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Lube on Brake Line Fittings? |
Hmmm
This has been an interesting thread. When I asked the original question, I
was referring to (and I hate to use this work again because of Rick Sked
<vbg>) the NPT nipples to be installed on the front of the Matco parking
brake. These do not have a compression fitting on the Matco side.
I was not referring to the compression fittings. My understanding was that
compression fittings do not need any extra "help" in sealing when done
correctly.
Anyway, this is what I found on Wikipedia:
Joint compound or Thread seal tape (a.k.a. PTFE tape, Teflon tape) is not
applied to a compression fitting's threads. The compression is the means of
sealing the joint, not the sealing of the threads themselves. Pipe compound
or PTFE tape frequently leads to a leaks in the fitting because it allows a
gap to form between the compression ring and nut in the case of Teflon tape.
Joint compound is usually applied to the ferrule or olive to seal
imperfections in the fitting, but really serves no purpose as the sealing is
enacted through the compression ring itself; if the compression ring indeed
becomes "ovalled" because it is overtightened when it is in a misoriented
position in relation to the compression nut or there is some factory defect
in the product, rarely does joint compound (pipe "dope") or Teflon tape
compensate for the loss of an air/watertight seal. In this instance, the
compression fitting are simply replaced. Joint compound and Teflon tape act
to seal the threads from the water pressure in normal threaded connections,
but serve little purpose in compression seals and may actually serve to
weaken them.
It sounds like fuel lube etc may actually increase the change of leaks by
adversely impacting the compression of the pipe flare against the AN
fitting.
AC43.13 (page 9-18) does suggest using hydraulic fluid as a lubricant when
tightening but makes no mention of anything like a sealant such as fuel
lube.
Cheers
Les
#40643 - Still in fibreglass hell but on a day pass
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of AirMike
Sent: November-10-09 8:34 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: Fuel Lube on Brake Line Fittings?
I used fuel lube on my brake line fittings and had good luck with all except
two fittings at my Matco (after market) parking brake. I had one heck of a
leak (very messy brake fluid) on the floor of the pilot footwell. It was a
real mess. I finally used Permatex non-hardening sealant on these fittings
and finally got the leak sealed. If you do not have a parking brake just use
the fuel lube. If you have the Matco parking brake valve (I love it) use
Permatex on those fittings. I think that it is Permatex #2 but not sure - it
is a non-soluble sealant.
See my prior post (over 1 year ago) on the Matco brake.
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