Today's Message Index:
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1. 04:59 AM - Re: EFIS backups (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
2. 06:17 AM - Re: EFIS backups (Robin Marks)
3. 06:35 AM - Re: Usefulness of the stock stall warning system Vs AOA indications (Steve Stella)
4. 07:08 AM - Re: Usefulness of the stock stall warning system Vs AOA indications (Rene Felker)
5. 07:56 AM - Re: EFIS backups (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
6. 08:24 AM - QB Baggage Floor Ribs / Skins (Perry, Phil)
7. 09:22 AM - Re: QB Baggage Floor Ribs / Skins (AirMike)
8. 12:05 PM - Re: Usefulness of the stock stall warning system Vs AOA indications (davidsoutpost@comcast.net)
9. 12:08 PM - Re: EFIS backups (MARCUS COOPER)
10. 12:39 PM - Re: EFIS backups (Jeff Carpenter)
11. 01:46 PM - Re: RV10 Interior (aerosport1)
12. 01:56 PM - Re: Usefulness of the stock stall warning system Vs AOA indications (David McNeill)
13. 02:07 PM - Re: EFIS backups (David McNeill)
14. 02:14 PM - Re: Re: RV10 Interior (McGann, Ron)
15. 02:22 PM - Re: Re: RV10 Interior (Jeff Carpenter)
16. 02:42 PM - New Fuel System (Jesse Saint)
17. 02:45 PM - Re: Re: RV10 Interior (Geoff Combs)
18. 03:25 PM - Re: New Fuel System (Bob Turner)
19. 04:04 PM - Re: New Fuel System (Bob Turner)
20. 05:45 PM - Re: Usefulness of the stock stall warning system Vs AOA indications (Jim)
21. 05:52 PM - Re: Re: RV10 Interior (Bob Leffler)
22. 06:31 PM - Thanksgiving (David McNeill)
23. 06:47 PM - Re: Thanksgiving (Kelly McMullen)
24. 07:01 PM - Re: Usefulness of the stock stall warning system Vs AOA indications (Kelly McMullen)
25. 08:19 PM - kit stall warning (David McNeill)
26. 09:13 PM - Re: kit stall warning (Bob Turner)
27. 09:57 PM - Inserting Gear legs (Les Kearney)
28. 11:43 PM - Re: Thanksgiving (Zenair 601XL) (Werner Schneider)
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| Subject: | Usefulness of the stock stall warning system Vs AOA indications |
I posted this question a few weeks back and the feedback that I got back was
mostly positive for the AOA. Some people said that it helped with how they
fly and how they make their approaches so I've made the decision to go with
the AOA from AFS and skipped the stall warning install.
Steve Stella
#40654 Wings
N521RV reserved
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Christopher
Stuewe
Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 3:01 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Usefulness of the stock stall warning system Vs AOA
indications
Hello fellow listers!
I am building an RV-10 and have been lurking here for a while. I have come
to a point in the build where I have to make a decision soon and I'm looking
for some input from those who have gone before me.
I'm building my wings and I am considering not including the stock stall
warning system. I am planning on installing a Dynon EFIS system with the
dual-holed pitot probe to provide AOA indication. I'm thinking that should
provide all the stall warning information that I would need. Am I
overlooking something? Is there a good reason to go ahead and include the
stock stall warning system?
Thanks,
Stuewe
stuewe@gmail.com
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| Subject: | Usefulness of the stock stall warning system Vs AOA indications |
I am not being defensive about my decision..but in the open converssations
on the list I only remember one negative for the stock stall warning...
Only have a few minutes, but off the top of my head.
Cons
You may rip your pants on it.(if I used that as a guide I would remove my
prop..I hit my head on it several times. J)
Pros
Backup to other systems
Can be made completely independent of other systems (with its own backup
battery if need be)
If the primary system goes down, the backup systems need to be simple
In general I looked at the risks involved in flying light AC and what "gets"
the pilots.
1. VFR into IFR (have instrument rating and instrument capable
airplane with backups (3 total)) (GRT, Blue Mountain, TruTrack ADI and
Autopilot)
2. Approach and Departure stalls (AOA, Stall Warning, and EFIS (ADI
also provides airspeed warning))
3. Fuel (3 systems)(Float gages, fuel flow in EIS, Low fuel detection
in each tank)
Rene' Felker
RV-10 N423CF Flying
801-721-6080
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve Stella
Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2009 7:29 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Usefulness of the stock stall warning system Vs AOA
indications
I posted this question a few weeks back and the feedback that I got back was
mostly positive for the AOA. Some people said that it helped with how they
fly and how they make their approaches so I've made the decision to go with
the AOA from AFS and skipped the stall warning install.
Steve Stella
#40654 Wings
N521RV reserved
_____
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Christopher
Stuewe
Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 3:01 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Usefulness of the stock stall warning system Vs AOA
indications
Hello fellow listers!
I am building an RV-10 and have been lurking here for a while. I have come
to a point in the build where I have to make a decision soon and I'm looking
for some input from those who have gone before me.
I'm building my wings and I am considering not including the stock stall
warning system. I am planning on installing a Dynon EFIS system with the
dual-holed pitot probe to provide AOA indication. I'm thinking that should
provide all the stall warning information that I would need. Am I
overlooking something? Is there a good reason to go ahead and include the
stock stall warning system?
Thanks,
Stuewe
stuewe@gmail.com
www.aeroelectric.com
www.homebuilthelp.com
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
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| Subject: | QB Baggage Floor Ribs / Skins |
For some of you who have received the recent QB's, have you figured out
how to dimple the aft holes in the F-1019's, 1020's, and 1021's (baggage
floor ribs)? Plus their corresponding holes in the bottom skin?
The QB factory didn't drill and dimple these aft holes according to the
plans before riveting the ribs in place. Now we've got multiple layers
of aluminum to dimple through.
I tried to dimple through all of it in one shot, but that didn't work
too well. The rivet heads still sit proud.
I also tried running a countersink inside two of the dimples, just to
get the rivet head to sit flush and that appears to be the best
solution.
The only other option I can think of is to simply countersink all of it
(no dimple) and get the head to sit flush.
Anyone else come up with a creative way to solve the problem?
Phil
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| Subject: | Re: QB Baggage Floor Ribs / Skins |
My ribs/skins were dimpled. But as I remember the fabrication shop put the skins
in place for shipping with a few pop rivets. I just drilled them out and removed
the skins. I feel that the kit has 3 deficiencies. One of them is the fact
that you rivet down the rear skins and floors preventing future proper inspection.
At the very least you should (as I did) install a inspection and maintenance
plate over the boarding steps.
In any case after removing the floors, you should not have a problem dimpling.
Contact me off line if you want pictures.
--------
OSH '10 or Bust
Q/B - testing phase 1
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=272464#272464
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| Subject: | Re: Usefulness of the stock stall warning system Vs AOA indications |
I just don't understand the logic of not using everything=C2-available to
add to the safety of flying.=C2- =C2-I am installing the Dynon pitot/A
OA, but am still going to install the stall warning kit included by Vans.
=C2- Inadvertant stalls are a real danger and the statistics point that o
ut.=C2- Someone mentioned that you have to be comatose to not recognize t
he pre-stall buffets, but for whatever reason it happens and pilots die.=C2
- Why add the risk??
David Clifford
Tailcone Done=C2-
Working on the wings
Engine overhauled and waiting
=C2-=C2-
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rene Felker" <rene@felker.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2009 10:06:49 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Usefulness of the stock stall warning system Vs AOA
indications
I am not being defensive about my decision.but in the open convers
sations on the list I only remember one negative for the stock stall warnin
g.
Only have a few minutes, but off the top of my head
Cons
You may rip your pants on it(if I used that as a guide I would rem
ove my propI hit my head on it several times.=C2- J )
Pros
Backup to other systems
Can be made completely independent of other systems (with its own backup ba
ttery if need be)
If the primary system goes down, the backup systems need to be simple
In general I looked at the risks involved in flying light AC and what
=9Cgets=9D the pilots.
1. =C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2- =C2-VFR into IFR (have instrument ratin
g and instrument capable airplane with backups (3 total)) (GRT, Blue Mounta
in, TruTrack ADI and Autopilot)
2. =C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2- Approach and Departure stalls (AOA, Stall
Warning, and EFIS (ADI also provides airspeed warning))
3. =C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2- Fuel (3 systems)(Float gages, fuel flow i
n EIS, Low fuel detection in each tank)
Rene' Felker
RV-10 N423CF Flying
801-721-6080
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@m
atronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve Stella
Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2009 7:29 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Usefulness of the stock stall warning system Vs AOA
indications
I posted this question a few weeks back and the feedback that I got back wa
s mostly positive for the AOA. Some people said that it helped with how the
y fly and how they make their approaches so I=99ve made the decision
to go with the AOA from AFS and skipped the stall warning install.
Steve Stella
#40654 Wings
N521RV reserved
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atronics.com] On Behalf Of Christopher Stuewe
Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 3:01 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Usefulness of the stock stall warning system Vs AOA ind
ications
Hello fellow listers!
I am building an RV-10 and have been lurking here for a while.=C2- I have
come to a point in the build where I have to make a decision soon and I'm
looking for some input from those who have gone before me.
I'm building my wings and I am considering not including the stock stall wa
rning system.=C2- I am planning on installing a Dynon EFIS system with th
e dual-holed pitot probe to provide AOA indication.=C2- I'm thinking that
should provide all the stall warning information that I would need.=C2-
Am I overlooking something?=C2- Is there a good reason to go ahead and in
clude the stock stall warning system?
Thanks,
Stuewe
stuewe@gmail.com
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The Dynon battery charges with normal power applied.=C2- I don't know how
long they will last but have not heard of any issues requiring them to be
replaced.
=C2-
Marcus
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Subject: RE: RV10-List: EFIS backups
Just thought about this.
=C2-
How often do the batteries in the Dynon=99s need to be replaced and a
re they something you could buy locally or would you have to go back to the
Dynon for them?
=C2-
Phil
=C2-
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From: MARCUS COOPER [mailto:coop85@verizon.net]
Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 8:07 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: EFIS backups
=C2-
I have the Grand Rapids display for my primary and the Dynon D10A for the b
ackup.=C2- As mentioned I really like the idea of a 2 hour backup battery
and I also carry a Garmin 496 as my backup nav, although mostly for the=C2
-XM wx and radio.=C2- In the event of total electrical failure I can st
ill aviate and navigate without the expense and hassle of the gyros.=C2-
I've been very pleased so far with lots of IFR travels.
=C2-
Marcus
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Subject: Re: RV10-List: EFIS backups
Thats my plan,,,,,, with its own=C2-back-up battery power.=C2- Thats a
lot cheaper and lighter than a six pack.
Dave Clifford
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Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 7:49:59 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: RV10-List: EFIS backups
I was pretty sure I was going to go with steam gage airspeed, altimeter, pl
us a TruTrak ADI for EFIS backup. But now that Dynon has their D-6 for $160
0, I wonder if that's a better route. I'd like to hear comments from users
of either system.
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I'd like to get a little feedback on this one from Rob Hickman. My
plan is to go with dual AF4500 EEs, each with its own battery pack and
no steam gauges. I like the notion that the presentation and
operation of the two units is the same, and that would leave me with 4
independent sources of power (alternator, battery and the two battery
packs), but common firmware. Is that too many eggs in the firmware
basket? Perhaps the best approach here is to upgrade the firmware one
at a time, to minimize the chance of "dual surprises."
Jeff Carpenter
40304
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| Subject: | Re: RV10 Interior |
I just got some pictures of my interior panels installed in the airplane.
They fit very nice and are easy to install. They cover all the ugly structure
and seem to give it a nice finished look. I still have some items to install
but so far I am very happy with the results.
Geoff Combs
N829GW Flying
8hrs down 32 to go
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Finishing
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| Subject: | Usefulness of the stock stall warning system Vs AOA indications |
Maintenance. Everything you add to your aircraft requires routine and
breakdown maintenance. I already have two electronic reminders besides the
stick buffet; I chose not to add another to avoid checking its operation
before each flight and fixing it when it does not work.
_____
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
davidsoutpost@comcast.net
Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2009 12:05 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Usefulness of the stock stall warning system Vs AOA
indications
I just don't understand the logic of not using everything available to add
to the safety of flying. I am installing the Dynon pitot/AOA, but am still
going to install the stall warning kit included by Vans. Inadvertant stalls
are a real danger and the statistics point that out. Someone mentioned that
you have to be comatose to not recognize the pre-stall buffets, but for
whatever reason it happens and pilots die. Why add the risk??
David Clifford
Tailcone Done
Working on the wings
Engine overhauled and waiting
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rene Felker" <rene@felker.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2009 10:06:49 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Usefulness of the stock stall warning system Vs AOA
indications
I am not being defensive about my decision..but in the open converssations
on the list I only remember one negative for the stock stall warning...
Only have a few minutes, but off the top of my head.
Cons
You may rip your pants on it.(if I used that as a guide I would remove my
prop..I hit my head on it several times. J)
Pros
Backup to other systems
Can be made completely independent of other systems (with its own backup
battery if need be)
If the primary system goes down, the backup systems need to be simple
In general I looked at the risks involved in flying light AC and what "gets"
the pilots.
1. VFR into IFR (have instrument rating and instrument capable
airplane with backups (3 total)) (GRT, Blue Mountain, TruTrack ADI and
Autopilot)
2. Approach and Departure stalls (AOA, Stall Warning, and EFIS (ADI
also provides airspeed warning))
3. Fuel (3 systems)(Float gages, fuel flow in EIS, Low fuel detection
in each tank)
Rene' Felker
RV-10 N423CF Flying
801-721-6080
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve Stella
Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2009 7:29 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Usefulness of the stock stall warning system Vs AOA
indications
I posted this question a few weeks back and the feedback that I got back was
mostly positive for the AOA. Some people said that it helped with how they
fly and how they make their approaches so I've made the decision to go with
the AOA from AFS and skipped the stall warning install.
Steve Stella
#40654 Wings
N521RV reserved
_____
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Christopher
Stuewe
Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 3:01 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Usefulness of the stock stall warning system Vs AOA
indications
Hello fellow listers!
I am building an RV-10 and have been lurking here for a while. I have come
to a point in the build where I have to make a decision soon and I'm looking
for some input from those who have gone before me.
I'm building my wings and I am considering not including the stock stall
warning system. I am planning on installing a Dynon EFIS system with the
dual-holed pitot probe to provide AOA indication. I'm thinking that should
provide all the stall warning information that I would need. Am I
overlooking something? Is there a good reason to go ahead and include the
stock stall warning system?
Thanks,
Stuewe
stuewe@gmail.com
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After 30 years in the computer software business, I don't wish to be
dependent on two copies of the same hardware and software for flight safety.
I don't know the AFS system or what its dependency is; I do know that in my
Glastar (with partial panel round gauges) the GRT sport has on two occasions
decided to freeze. The problems were described to me as hardware but as an
end user I don't care where the problem lies; I just need to control the
aircraft whether VMC or IMC. Perhaps the EFIS manufacturers should answer "
what minimum sensor inputs are required for your system to function in
normal and/or degraded mode?"
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Carpenter
Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2009 1:36 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: EFIS backups
I'd like to get a little feedback on this one from Rob Hickman. My plan is
to go with dual AF4500 EEs, each with its own battery pack and no steam
gauges. I like the notion that the presentation and operation of the two
units is the same, and that would leave me with 4 independent sources of
power (alternator, battery and the two battery packs), but common firmware.
Is that too many eggs in the firmware basket? Perhaps the best approach
here is to upgrade the firmware one at a time, to minimize the chance of
"dual surprises."
Jeff Carpenter
40304
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| Subject: | Re: RV10 Interior |
Hi Geoff,
Very, very nice indeed.
I would love to know what you used to trim the windows. Can you please advise??
cheers,
Ron
VH-XRM
flying in Oz
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Sent: Friday, 13 November 2009 8:43 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: RV10 Interior
I just got some pictures of my interior panels installed in the airplane.
They fit very nice and are easy to install. They cover all the ugly structure
and seem to give it a nice finished look. I still have some items to install
but so far I am very happy with the results.
Geoff Combs
N829GW Flying
8hrs down 32 to go
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RV-10 QB N829GW
Finishing
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Can someone get me a tissue?
I can't stop drooling.
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On Nov 12, 2009, at 1:43 PM, aerosport1 wrote:
> >
>
> I just got some pictures of my interior panels installed in the
> airplane.
> They fit very nice and are easy to install. They cover all the ugly
> structure
> and seem to give it a nice finished look. I still have some items to
> install
> but so far I am very happy with the results.
>
> Geoff Combs
> N829GW Flying
> 8hrs down 32 to go
>
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> RV-10 QB N829GW
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Does anybody have a copy of the current plans for the fuel system with
the Van's "latching position handle" setup? I don't have the plans
here and am trying to troubleshoot a fuel system problem.
Thanks.
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse@saintaviation.com
Cell: 352-427-0285
Fax: 815-377-3694
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| Subject: | Re: RV10 Interior |
Ron
The trim out on the windows is a black edge trim piece that goes over my
headliner edge. I started by laying up 2 layers of 6oz
fiberglass in the canopy cover and then when the fiberglass was in the green
stage were it is very easy to trim I trimmed it exactly
To my window cut out which was already trimmed to size. I then trimmed them
to fit to the canopy top once it was installed. I then covered the
fiberglass head liner pieces with actual headliner material. I then
installed the edge trim over the head liner material and fiberglass.
It is held in place with a combination of Velcro, front seat belt shoulder
harness bolt and the baggage compartment bulk head cover. It does finish off
the window very nice. I was surprised myself how well it worked once
installed. I had my doubts at first. I only have about 4-5 hrs in both
sides.
Geoff
Geoff Combs
President
Aerosport Modeling & Design
8090 Howe Industrial Parkway
Canal Winchester, Ohio 43110
614-834-5227p
614-834-5230f
www.aerosportmodeling.com
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Hi Geoff,
Very, very nice indeed.
I would love to know what you used to trim the windows. Can you please
advise??
cheers,
Ron
VH-XRM
flying in Oz
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I just got some pictures of my interior panels installed in the airplane.
They fit very nice and are easy to install. They cover all the ugly
structure and seem to give it a nice finished look. I still have some items
to install but so far I am very happy with the results.
Geoff Combs
N829GW Flying
8hrs down 32 to go
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Finishing
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| Subject: | Re: New Fuel System |
I do. They sent me a hybrid QB kit - some parts cut for the new system, some for
the old! I have the plans for the new.
You have a specific question, or would you like me to FAX the plans (full size,
they'll come in segments) to you?
Main difference is the fuel valve is lower, and rotated 180 degrees, so the "cross
over" of fuel lines has been eliminated. (left line stays left of center line,
always).
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| Subject: | Re: New Fuel System |
I sent you a FAX of page 37-1. Let me know if you need a different page.
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| Subject: | Re: Usefulness of the stock stall warning system Vs AOA indications |
I have the vans stall warning wired to one of the optional inputs on the
AFS. So I hear the "Beep" in my headsets. AFS will
not allow selection of the "Push Push" audio file for any of the
general purpose inputs. AFS does not recommend this on the basis
that software may not respond very quickly to the switch input, but it
worked well for me. One would have to ignore a bunch of inputs from
the airframe to the seat of the pants to get too far along in the
stall.
Jim C (40192 - N312F Flying)
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Gotta go with Rene and others on this one...it costs nothing, and
comes
with the kit. I have a stall annunciator on my panel...can't
hear the horn
but when the AFS says push push then the red light
flashes then your butt
shakes and then you stall...you have no
excuses for killing
yourself...pretty blunt but give me/us a real
good reason "not" to have an
additional stall warning.. I
see the light steady just prior to the mains
squeaking on the
runway....l recommend you. take the little time required
and put it
in....can't hurt.. and it is how the aircraft is designed. It
will
.only help...my 2 cents worth as they say...besides it give you
something to describe...everyone asks what it is...
Rick
Sked
70 hours and rising
N246RS
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| Subject: | Re: RV10 Interior |
Geoff is a little modest. I've seen these panels installed in his RV-10.
They look fantastic!
Also, I saw the mold for his new overhead console last week as he was
getting ready to run the first batch. The overhead is significantly lighter
(carbon fiber versus fiberglass) and resolves the air leak problems (access
panels have seals) when compared to the fiberglass overheads that have been
made by Accuracy Avionics, Redmond Air, and NonStop Aviation.
Shameless Plug: For those that weren't aware, Geoff sells these through
several vendors as well as his own web site, www.aerosportproducts.com.
I also put a couple videos of his RV-10 and one of the CNC machine cutting
the instrument panel mold on his web site.
bob
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Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2009 4:43 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: RV10 Interior
<g.combs@aerosportmodeling.com>
I just got some pictures of my interior panels installed in the airplane.
They fit very nice and are easy to install. They cover all the ugly
structure
and seem to give it a nice finished look. I still have some items to install
but so far I am very happy with the results.
Geoff Combs
N829GW Flying
8hrs down 32 to go
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One of the things to be thankful for this year is that we fly RV10s. I have
a couple of buddies who built and fly Zenith 601 XC as E-AB; there are two
more not yet licensed. Check the latest:
<http://www.eaa.org/news/2009/2009-11-12_safety_alert.asp>
http://www.eaa.org/news/2009/2009-11-12_safety_alert.asp
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| Subject: | Re: Thanksgiving |
Yup, one in hangar facing mine...registered, ready for DAR, probably
going to remove skin warp ailerons for conventional piano hinge
ailerons as well as whatever else the factory recommends to fix the
wing failure problem.
On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 7:30 PM, David McNeill <dlm46007@cox.net> wrote:
> One of the things to be thankful for this year is that we fly RV10s. I have
> a couple of buddies who built and fly Zenith 601 XC as E-AB; there are two
> more not yet licensed. Check the latest:
> http://www.eaa.org/news/2009/2009-11-12_safety_alert.asp
>
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| Subject: | Re: Usefulness of the stock stall warning system Vs AOA indications |
FWIW, I have had to service a tab type stall warning vane exactly once
in 34 years of aircraft ownership, first aircraft being over 30 years
old when I got it, and same for second aircraft... having the oem stall
warner. Micro switch got dirty and required removal to douse it with
contact cleaner until it started working again. That was 10 years ago
and still working. Yes, I have a few scars from it. OTOH, my RV-10
elevator trailing edge put a wound in my thigh that is still healing and
required patching of jeans.
David McNeill wrote:
> Maintenance. Everything you add to your aircraft requires routine and
> breakdown maintenance. I already have two electronic reminders besides
> the stick buffet; I chose not to add another to avoid checking its
> operation before each flight and fixing it when it does not work.
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| Subject: | kit stall warning |
One other consideration: I bought the QB wings, the wing was closed and the
tanks would have had to be removed to get access to install the kit.
Removing an already tested tank with considerable screws and bolts did not
seem to be productive. Fortunately by not standing on the tanks and not
removing the QB wok, I have not had any indication of leaks.
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| Subject: | Re: kit stall warning |
Take a good look at those tanks; my QB tanks were installed with bolts which were
one size too long, "fixed" with extra washers. Would have worked, but not
very good practice.
--------
Bob Turner
RV-10 QB
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=272561#272561
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| Subject: | Inserting Gear legs |
Hi
I have started installing my main gear legs but have hit a small snag. The
port gear leg inserts easily right up to the last couple of inches. I have
greased everything up and deburred the lower opening but don't want to force
anything in case it gets jammed. There are some archived posts that speak
about getting jammed legs out and I really don't want to go there.
Any magical suggestions for getting the legs to go in the last couple of
inches and then getting them, out so I can deburr etc? I was thinking about
using a heat gun on the gear mount but if that works I am not sure how to
get them out again.
Cheers
Les
#40643
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| Subject: | Re: Thanksgiving (Zenair 601XL) |
Oh well,
they (XL) were grounded in the UK as well, however the LAA (EAA
equivalent) did assess
and balance the ailerons to overcome the initial issue flutter
see:
<http://www.lightaircraftassociation.co.uk/engineering/engineering_updates.html>
but they have also a warning out there about:
<http://www.lightaircraftassociation.co.uk/engineering/Airworthiness/ZenairNov09.pdf>
br Werner
Kelly McMullen wrote:
>
> Yup, one in hangar facing mine...registered, ready for DAR, probably
> going to remove skin warp ailerons for conventional piano hinge
> ailerons as well as whatever else the factory recommends to fix the
> wing failure problem.
>
> On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 7:30 PM, David McNeill <dlm46007@cox.net> wrote:
>
>> One of the things to be thankful for this year is that we fly RV10s. I have
>> a couple of buddies who built and fly Zenith 601 XC as E-AB; there are two
>> more not yet licensed. Check the latest:
>> http://www.eaa.org/news/2009/2009-11-12_safety_alert.asp
>>
>>
>
>
>
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