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0. 12:23 AM - Some Very Nice Comments... (Matt Dralle)
1. 04:39 AM - Re: RV10 Interior (Wayne Edgerton)
2. 04:49 AM - Re: EFIS backups (jkreidler)
3. 04:59 AM - Re: Inserting Gear legs (Jesse Saint)
4. 07:14 AM - Re: QB Baggage Floor Ribs / Skins (johngoodman)
5. 07:23 AM - Re: Inserting Gear legs (Don McDonald)
6. 07:38 AM - Re: Re: QB Baggage Floor Ribs / Skins (Perry, Phil)
7. 07:53 AM - Re: Re: QB Baggage Floor Ribs / Skins (Dj Merrill)
8. 08:53 AM - Re: Inserting Gear legs (John Gonzalez)
9. 10:42 AM - Re: Inserting Gear legs (Les Kearney)
10. 11:09 AM - Re: RV10 Interior (Geoff Combs)
11. 01:23 PM - Re: Inserting Gear legs (Bill Mauledriver Watson)
12. 07:30 PM - Another RV-10 flying (Lenny Iszak)
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| Subject: | Re: RV10 Interior |
Hi Geoff,
Did you do your own interior or if not where did you get it? It really
looks nice. Also same question for the black door trim you have
installed.
Wayne Edgerton
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| Subject: | Re: EFIS backups |
We do have steam gauge backups. The reason being if one of the EFIS boxes started
to give bad information, how do you know which one is wrong? With steam gauges
you can always do some crosschecks to figure out what is going wrong. So
I guess I worry more about the gradual failures, like when a DG goes bad, more
than the abrupt blank screens. Failures are stressful enough, when your at
minimums. Do you really want to try and figure out if you pitot is frozen, or
you static is blocked. Or would you rather figure out if you pitot is frozen,
or your static is blocked, or if the software is bad, or if the display is bad,
or if the alternator is bad, or if the battery is dead, or, repeat the list
for the backup EFIS....
This is not an easy decision, and I can easily see both sides. Just one guys opinion,
thank god we all get to build our own.
Jason Kreidler
(4) Partner Build - Sheboygan Falls WI
N44YH - Flying
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| Subject: | Re: Inserting Gear legs |
This is probably too obvious to be helpful, but I'll give it a shot
anyway. The gear only touches the mount in 2 places, about an inch or
two right where it exits the fuselage and about an inch or two where
it bolts in under the front seat. The neck of the mount is a bigger
diameter than the gear leg, so it has to be centered to fit into the
last inch or two of the mount. If you are up against the lip of the
smaller diameter of the section that has the bolt hole, it won't go
any further unless you get it centered. Again, I assume that you
already know this, but I figured I'd send it anyway.
I have never seen one not fit right in. Make sure that you have no
burrs on the ID of the neck of the mount or on the OD of the gear leg,
especially at the bolt hole. Besides that, I don't think I can help.
do not archive
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse@saintaviation.com
Cell: 352-427-0285
Fax: 815-377-3694
On Nov 13, 2009, at 12:56 AM, Les Kearney wrote:
> Hi
>
> I have started installing my main gear legs but have hit a small
> snag. The port gear leg inserts easily right up to the last couple
> of inches. I have greased everything up and deburred the lower
> opening but don=92t want to force anything in case it gets jammed.
> There are some archived posts that speak about getting jammed legs
> out and I really don=92t want to go there.
>
> Any magical suggestions for getting the legs to go in the last
> couple of inches and then getting them, out so I can deburr etc? I
> was thinking about using a heat gun on the gear mount but if that
> works I am not sure how to get them out again.
>
> Cheers
>
> Les
> #40643
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: QB Baggage Floor Ribs / Skins |
Mine were already dimpled, as well. Assuming you have the floor skin off, I would
think you can dimple/countersink somehow. Remember that carpet will cover a
lot of sins.
Before you close it up, make sure you have all the conduit you need from the battery
area to the wings and cockpit.
As far as future inspections, the area under the floor is actually accessible through
the aft lightening holes. Those fiber optic viewers are getting cheaper
and better each year.
John
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delivery soon.
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| Subject: | Re: Inserting Gear legs |
It is a weldament... so there could have been some warping that affected th
e hole size or shape.=C2- After trying to insert the gear leg, see if you
can see where the scrapping has occurred, and grind a little out of that a
rea.
Don McDonald
--- On Fri, 11/13/09, Jesse Saint <jesse@saintaviation.com> wrote:
From: Jesse Saint <jesse@saintaviation.com>
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Inserting Gear legs
This is probably too obvious to be helpful, but I'll give it a shot anyway.
=C2-The gear only touches the mount in 2 places, about an inch or two ri
ght where it exits the fuselage and about an inch or two where it bolts in
under the front seat. =C2-The neck of the mount is a bigger diameter than
the gear leg, so it has to be centered to fit into the last inch or two of
the mount. =C2-If you are up against the lip of the smaller diameter of
the section that has the bolt hole, it won't go any further unless you get
it centered. =C2-Again, I assume that you already know this, but I figure
d I'd send it anyway.
I have never seen one not fit right in. =C2-Make sure that you have no bu
rrs on the ID of the neck of the mount or on the OD of the gear leg, especi
ally at the bolt hole. =C2-Besides that, I don't think I can help.
do not archive
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse@saintaviation.com
Cell: 352-427-0285
Fax: 815-377-3694
On Nov 13, 2009, at 12:56 AM, Les Kearney wrote:
Hi
=C2-
I have started installing my main gear legs but have hit a small snag. The
port gear leg inserts easily right up to the last couple of inches. I have
greased everything up and deburred the lower opening but don=99t want
to force anything in case it gets jammed. There are some archived posts th
at speak about getting jammed legs out and I really don=99t want to g
o there.
=C2-
Any magical suggestions for getting the legs to go in the last couple of in
ches and then getting them, out so I can deburr etc? I was thinking about u
sing a heat gun on the gear mount but if that works I am not sure how to ge
t them out again.
=C2-
Cheers
=C2-
Les
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| Subject: | Re: QB Baggage Floor Ribs / Skins |
Thanks John...
Yes the skins are removed and the top of the ribs are dimpled. The
issue is the aft 6 holes on the bottom of the rib and their
cooresponding holes in the skins. Those are the ones that weren't
dimpled before they riveted the ribs in place.
I talked to Vans last night and they suggested countersinking the skins
as the first choice. Their second was to dimple best you can and then
chase it with a countersink.
Phil
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From: johngoodman [mailto:johngoodman@earthlink.net]
Sent: Friday, November 13, 2009 9:13 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: QB Baggage Floor Ribs / Skins
<johngoodman@earthlink.net>
Mine were already dimpled, as well. Assuming you have the floor skin
off, I would think you can dimple/countersink somehow. Remember that
carpet will cover a lot of sins.
Before you close it up, make sure you have all the conduit you need from
the battery area to the wings and cockpit.
As far as future inspections, the area under the floor is actually
accessible through the aft lightening holes. Those fiber optic viewers
are getting cheaper and better each year.
John
--------
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Panel delivery soon.
N711JG reserved
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| Subject: | Re: QB Baggage Floor Ribs / Skins |
On 11/13/2009 10:13 AM, johngoodman wrote:
> Those fiber optic viewers are getting cheaper and better each year.
>
Like this one for $99:
<http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=66550>
-Dj
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| Subject: | Inserting Gear legs |
My rt gear leg was extrememly difficult to even get it into the mount let a
lone the last few inches. The problem is that the leg is so heavy and the f
it so precise that the correct alignment is difficult to achieve. It really
is a two person job. It would be easier if the plane were leaning to one s
ide and the gear leg could be inserted vertically into its' receiver that w
ay the gravity wasn't pulling down on the bottom of the gear leg and throwi
ng the alignment out.
On another note=2C I truly believe(visual inspection only) my left wheel is
pointing out and my right whell is pointing in. I mean the front half of t
he wheels=2C closest to the propeller. There was discussion of this with re
gards to shimmy.
John
From: jesse@saintaviation.com
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Inserting Gear legs
This is probably too obvious to be helpful=2C but I'll give it a shot anywa
y. The gear only touches the mount in 2 places=2C about an inch or two rig
ht where it exits the fuselage and about an inch or two where it bolts in u
nder the front seat. The neck of the mount is a bigger diameter than the g
ear leg=2C so it has to be centered to fit into the last inch or two of the
mount. If you are up against the lip of the smaller diameter of the secti
on that has the bolt hole=2C it won't go any further unless you get it cent
ered. Again=2C I assume that you already know this=2C but I figured I'd se
nd it anyway.
I have never seen one not fit right in. Make sure that you have no burrs o
n the ID of the neck of the mount or on the OD of the gear leg=2C especiall
y at the bolt hole. Besides that=2C I don't think I can help.
do not archive
Jesse SaintSaint Aviation=2C Inc.jesse@saintaviation.comCell: 352-427-0285F
ax: 815-377-3694
On Nov 13=2C 2009=2C at 12:56 AM=2C Les Kearney wrote:Hi I have started ins
talling my main gear legs but have hit a small snag. The port gear leg inse
rts easily right up to the last couple of inches. I have greased everything
up and deburred the lower opening but don=92t want to force anything in ca
se it gets jammed. There are some archived posts that speak about getting j
ammed legs out and I really don=92t want to go there. Any magical suggestio
ns for getting the legs to go in the last couple of inches and then getting
them=2C out so I can deburr etc? I was thinking about using a heat gun on
the gear mount but if that works I am not sure how to get them out again. C
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| Subject: | Inserting Gear legs |
Hi
Many thanks for all the suggestions. A couple of things, as suggested,
seemed to make a big difference. First I deburred the entrance hole on each
gear mount. After this was done I was able to start the gear leg. I also
cleaned up the top contact point on the mount with some scotch brite.
Although the plans suggest lubrication before the final placement of the
gear, I decided to grease things up prior to the initial placement. The
archives have a few posts where gear legs have become stuck. I found that
bearing grease didn't help too much. I had to back off as I felt the leg
starting to jam. What I found made a world of difference was Permetex Copper
Anti Size Lubricant. Using this, the legs slid in with reasonable effort
and, most importantly, will also slide out. Before using this I confirmed
that it would be okay with Ken Scott (Van's). His only caution was to clean
things up prior to torquing the attach bolts.
Cheers
Les
#40643
PS Bill Watson's suggestion to use the engine lift to place the fuse on a
work bench is brilliantly simple.
_____
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Gonzalez
Sent: November-13-09 9:34 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Inserting Gear legs
My rt gear leg was extrememly difficult to even get it into the mount let
alone the last few inches. The problem is that the leg is so heavy and the
fit so precise that the correct alignment is difficult to achieve. It really
is a two person job. It would be easier if the plane were leaning to one
side and the gear leg could be inserted vertically into its' receiver that
way the gravity wasn't pulling down on the bottom of the gear leg and
throwing the alignment out.
On another note, I truly believe(visual inspection only) my left wheel is
pointing out and my right whell is pointing in. I mean the front half of the
wheels, closest to the propeller. There was discussion of this with regards
to shimmy.
John
_____
From: jesse@saintaviation.com
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Inserting Gear legs
This is probably too obvious to be helpful, but I'll give it a shot anyway.
The gear only touches the mount in 2 places, about an inch or two right
where it exits the fuselage and about an inch or two where it bolts in under
the front seat. The neck of the mount is a bigger diameter than the gear
leg, so it has to be centered to fit into the last inch or two of the mount.
If you are up against the lip of the smaller diameter of the section that
has the bolt hole, it won't go any further unless you get it centered.
Again, I assume that you already know this, but I figured I'd send it
anyway.
I have never seen one not fit right in. Make sure that you have no burrs on
the ID of the neck of the mount or on the OD of the gear leg, especially at
the bolt hole. Besides that, I don't think I can help.
do not archive
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse@saintaviation.com
Cell: 352-427-0285
Fax: 815-377-3694
On Nov 13, 2009, at 12:56 AM, Les Kearney wrote:
Hi
I have started installing my main gear legs but have hit a small snag. The
port gear leg inserts easily right up to the last couple of inches. I have
greased everything up and deburred the lower opening but don't want to force
anything in case it gets jammed. There are some archived posts that speak
about getting jammed legs out and I really don't want to go there.
Any magical suggestions for getting the legs to go in the last couple of
inches and then getting them, out so I can deburr etc? I was thinking about
using a heat gun on the gear mount but if that works I am not sure how to
get them out again.
Cheers
Les
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Wayne I did do my own interior. As for the black door edge that is the
stuff
from McMaster carr that people are using for the RV-10 door seals. I
made my
edges wider than most are using.
I used the 1/4" edge seals.
Geoff
Geoff Combs
President
Aerosport Modeling & Design
8090 Howe Industrial Parkway
Canal Winchester, Ohio 43110
614-834-5227p
614-834-5230f
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Wayne
Edgerton
Sent: Friday, November 13, 2009 7:37 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: RV10 Interior
Hi Geoff,
Did you do your own interior or if not where did you get it? It really
looks
nice. Also same question for the black door trim you have installed.
Wayne Edgerton
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| Subject: | Re: Inserting Gear legs |
Les, thanks for the props on the engine lift/work. Now that you've
apparently done it successfully, please share how you did it. Where/how
did you hook up the lift? I'm getting ready to do it this month.
Thanks
Bill "using 'props' for the first time per the urban dictionary" Watson
Les Kearney wrote:
>
> Hi
>
> Many thanks for all the suggestions. A couple of things, as suggested,
> seemed to make a big difference. First I deburred the entrance hole on
> each gear mount. After this was done I was able to start the gear leg.
> I also cleaned up the top contact point on the mount with some scotch
> brite.
>
> Although the plans suggest lubrication before the final placement of
> the gear, I decided to grease things up prior to the initial
> placement. The archives have a few posts where gear legs have become
> stuck. I found that bearing grease didnt help too much. I had to back
> off as I felt the leg starting to jam. What I found made a world of
> difference was Permetex Copper Anti Size Lubricant. Using this, the
> legs slid in with reasonable effort and, most importantly, will also
> slide out. Before using this I confirmed that it would be okay with
> Ken Scott (Vans). His only caution was to clean things up prior to
> torquing the attach bolts.
>
> Cheers
>
> Les
>
> #40643
>
> PS Bill Watsons suggestion to use the engine lift to place the fuse
> on a work bench is brilliantly simple.
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> *From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *John Gonzalez
> *Sent:* November-13-09 9:34 AM
> *To:* RV 10 group
> *Subject:* RE: RV10-List: Inserting Gear legs
>
> My rt gear leg was extrememly difficult to even get it into the mount
> let alone the last few inches. The problem is that the leg is so heavy
> and the fit so precise that the correct alignment is difficult to
> achieve. It really is a two person job. It would be easier if the
> plane were leaning to one side and the gear leg could be inserted
> vertically into its' receiver that way the gravity wasn't pulling down
> on the bottom of the gear leg and throwing the alignment out.
>
> On another note, I truly believe(visual inspection only) my left wheel
> is pointing out and my right whell is pointing in. I mean the front
> half of the wheels, closest to the propeller. There was discussion of
> this with regards to shimmy.
>
> John
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> From: jesse@saintaviation.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Inserting Gear legs
> Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2009 07:58:52 -0500
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>
> This is probably too obvious to be helpful, but I'll give it a shot
> anyway. The gear only touches the mount in 2 places, about an inch or
> two right where it exits the fuselage and about an inch or two where
> it bolts in under the front seat. The neck of the mount is a bigger
> diameter than the gear leg, so it has to be centered to fit into the
> last inch or two of the mount. If you are up against the lip of the
> smaller diameter of the section that has the bolt hole, it won't go
> any further unless you get it centered. Again, I assume that you
> already know this, but I figured I'd send it anyway.
>
> I have never seen one not fit right in. Make sure that you have no
> burrs on the ID of the neck of the mount or on the OD of the gear leg,
> especially at the bolt hole. Besides that, I don't think I can help.
>
> do not archive
>
> Jesse Saint
>
> Saint Aviation, Inc.
>
> jesse@saintaviation.com <mailto:jesse@saintaviation.com>
>
> Cell: 352-427-0285
>
> Fax: 815-377-3694
>
> On Nov 13, 2009, at 12:56 AM, Les Kearney wrote:
>
> Hi
>
> I have started installing my main gear legs but have hit a small
> snag. The port gear leg inserts easily right up to the last couple
> of inches. I have greased everything up and deburred the lower
> opening but dont want to force anything in case it gets jammed.
> There are some archived posts that speak about getting jammed legs
> out and I really dont want to go there.
>
> Any magical suggestions for getting the legs to go in the last
> couple of inches and then getting them, out so I can deburr etc? I
> was thinking about using a heat gun on the gear mount but if that
> works I am not sure how to get them out again.
>
> Cheers
>
> Les
>
> #40643
>
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>
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>
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| Subject: | Another RV-10 flying |
Another airplane joined the flying RV-10 community today. Hugo from Florida had
his first flight today in his beautiful flying machine, after 4 years of building.
The flight was a non-event.
According to Van's numbers it's the 216th RV-10 to fly.
Lenny
PS: only reminded him about Friday the 13th after he landed...
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