---------------------------------------------------------- RV10-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 11/13/09: 13 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 0. 12:23 AM - Some Very Nice Comments... (Matt Dralle) 1. 04:39 AM - Re: RV10 Interior (Wayne Edgerton) 2. 04:49 AM - Re: EFIS backups (jkreidler) 3. 04:59 AM - Re: Inserting Gear legs (Jesse Saint) 4. 07:14 AM - Re: QB Baggage Floor Ribs / Skins (johngoodman) 5. 07:23 AM - Re: Inserting Gear legs (Don McDonald) 6. 07:38 AM - Re: Re: QB Baggage Floor Ribs / Skins (Perry, Phil) 7. 07:53 AM - Re: Re: QB Baggage Floor Ribs / Skins (Dj Merrill) 8. 08:53 AM - Re: Inserting Gear legs (John Gonzalez) 9. 10:42 AM - Re: Inserting Gear legs (Les Kearney) 10. 11:09 AM - Re: RV10 Interior (Geoff Combs) 11. 01:23 PM - Re: Inserting Gear legs (Bill Mauledriver Watson) 12. 07:30 PM - Another RV-10 flying (Lenny Iszak) ________________________________ Message 0 _____________________________________ Time: 12:23:34 AM PST US From: Matt Dralle Subject: RV10-List: Some Very Nice Comments... Dear Listers, I've been getting some really nice comments from Listers along with their List Support Contributions. I've shared some of them below. 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William B. [The List] helped me get flying, fly off my test hours and make my systems better. Ralph C. The Universe is a better place because of you. Eric J. ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:39:25 AM PST US From: "Wayne Edgerton" Subject: Re: RV10-List: RV10 Interior Hi Geoff, Did you do your own interior or if not where did you get it? It really looks nice. Also same question for the black door trim you have installed. Wayne Edgerton ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:49:15 AM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: EFIS backups From: "jkreidler" We do have steam gauge backups. The reason being if one of the EFIS boxes started to give bad information, how do you know which one is wrong? With steam gauges you can always do some crosschecks to figure out what is going wrong. So I guess I worry more about the gradual failures, like when a DG goes bad, more than the abrupt blank screens. Failures are stressful enough, when your at minimums. Do you really want to try and figure out if you pitot is frozen, or you static is blocked. Or would you rather figure out if you pitot is frozen, or your static is blocked, or if the software is bad, or if the display is bad, or if the alternator is bad, or if the battery is dead, or, repeat the list for the backup EFIS.... This is not an easy decision, and I can easily see both sides. Just one guys opinion, thank god we all get to build our own. Jason Kreidler (4) Partner Build - Sheboygan Falls WI N44YH - Flying Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=272660#272660 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 04:59:24 AM PST US From: Jesse Saint Subject: Re: RV10-List: Inserting Gear legs This is probably too obvious to be helpful, but I'll give it a shot anyway. The gear only touches the mount in 2 places, about an inch or two right where it exits the fuselage and about an inch or two where it bolts in under the front seat. The neck of the mount is a bigger diameter than the gear leg, so it has to be centered to fit into the last inch or two of the mount. If you are up against the lip of the smaller diameter of the section that has the bolt hole, it won't go any further unless you get it centered. Again, I assume that you already know this, but I figured I'd send it anyway. I have never seen one not fit right in. Make sure that you have no burrs on the ID of the neck of the mount or on the OD of the gear leg, especially at the bolt hole. Besides that, I don't think I can help. do not archive Jesse Saint Saint Aviation, Inc. jesse@saintaviation.com Cell: 352-427-0285 Fax: 815-377-3694 On Nov 13, 2009, at 12:56 AM, Les Kearney wrote: > Hi > > I have started installing my main gear legs but have hit a small > snag. The port gear leg inserts easily right up to the last couple > of inches. I have greased everything up and deburred the lower > opening but don=92t want to force anything in case it gets jammed. > There are some archived posts that speak about getting jammed legs > out and I really don=92t want to go there. > > Any magical suggestions for getting the legs to go in the last > couple of inches and then getting them, out so I can deburr etc? I > was thinking about using a heat gun on the gear mount but if that > works I am not sure how to get them out again. > > Cheers > > Les > #40643 > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:14:21 AM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: QB Baggage Floor Ribs / Skins From: "johngoodman" Mine were already dimpled, as well. Assuming you have the floor skin off, I would think you can dimple/countersink somehow. Remember that carpet will cover a lot of sins. Before you close it up, make sure you have all the conduit you need from the battery area to the wings and cockpit. As far as future inspections, the area under the floor is actually accessible through the aft lightening holes. Those fiber optic viewers are getting cheaper and better each year. John -------- #40572 QB Fuselage, wings finished. Finish Kit progressing. Engine & Panel delivery soon. N711JG reserved Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=272691#272691 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:23:23 AM PST US From: Don McDonald Subject: Re: RV10-List: Inserting Gear legs It is a weldament... so there could have been some warping that affected th e hole size or shape.=C2- After trying to insert the gear leg, see if you can see where the scrapping has occurred, and grind a little out of that a rea. Don McDonald --- On Fri, 11/13/09, Jesse Saint wrote: From: Jesse Saint Subject: Re: RV10-List: Inserting Gear legs This is probably too obvious to be helpful, but I'll give it a shot anyway. =C2-The gear only touches the mount in 2 places, about an inch or two ri ght where it exits the fuselage and about an inch or two where it bolts in under the front seat. =C2-The neck of the mount is a bigger diameter than the gear leg, so it has to be centered to fit into the last inch or two of the mount. =C2-If you are up against the lip of the smaller diameter of the section that has the bolt hole, it won't go any further unless you get it centered. =C2-Again, I assume that you already know this, but I figure d I'd send it anyway. I have never seen one not fit right in. =C2-Make sure that you have no bu rrs on the ID of the neck of the mount or on the OD of the gear leg, especi ally at the bolt hole. =C2-Besides that, I don't think I can help. do not archive Jesse Saint Saint Aviation, Inc. jesse@saintaviation.com Cell: 352-427-0285 Fax: 815-377-3694 On Nov 13, 2009, at 12:56 AM, Les Kearney wrote: Hi =C2- I have started installing my main gear legs but have hit a small snag. The port gear leg inserts easily right up to the last couple of inches. I have greased everything up and deburred the lower opening but don=99t want to force anything in case it gets jammed. There are some archived posts th at speak about getting jammed legs out and I really don=99t want to g o there. =C2- Any magical suggestions for getting the legs to go in the last couple of in ches and then getting them, out so I can deburr etc? I was thinking about u sing a heat gun on the gear mount but if that works I am not sure how to ge t them out again. =C2- Cheers =C2- Les #40643 style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">www.aeroelectric.com href="http://www.buildersbooks.com/" style="color: blue; text-decoratio n: underline; ">www.buildersbooks.com style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">www.homebuilthelp.com style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">http://www.matronics.co m/contribution style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">http://www.matronics.co m/Navigator?RV10-List blue; text-decoration: underline; ">http://forums.matronics.com =0A=0A=0A ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:38:11 AM PST US Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: QB Baggage Floor Ribs / Skins From: "Perry, Phil" Thanks John... Yes the skins are removed and the top of the ribs are dimpled. The issue is the aft 6 holes on the bottom of the rib and their cooresponding holes in the skins. Those are the ones that weren't dimpled before they riveted the ribs in place. I talked to Vans last night and they suggested countersinking the skins as the first choice. Their second was to dimple best you can and then chase it with a countersink. Phil -----Original Message----- From: johngoodman [mailto:johngoodman@earthlink.net] Sent: Friday, November 13, 2009 9:13 AM Subject: RV10-List: Re: QB Baggage Floor Ribs / Skins Mine were already dimpled, as well. Assuming you have the floor skin off, I would think you can dimple/countersink somehow. Remember that carpet will cover a lot of sins. Before you close it up, make sure you have all the conduit you need from the battery area to the wings and cockpit. As far as future inspections, the area under the floor is actually accessible through the aft lightening holes. Those fiber optic viewers are getting cheaper and better each year. John -------- #40572 QB Fuselage, wings finished. Finish Kit progressing. Engine & Panel delivery soon. N711JG reserved Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=272691#272691 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:53:37 AM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: QB Baggage Floor Ribs / Skins From: Dj Merrill On 11/13/2009 10:13 AM, johngoodman wrote: > Those fiber optic viewers are getting cheaper and better each year. > Like this one for $99: -Dj -- Dj Merrill - N1JOV Glastar Sportsman 2+2 Builder #7118 N421DJ - http://deej.net/sportsman/ Grumman Yankee Driver N9870L - http://deej.net/yankee/ ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:53:36 AM PST US From: John Gonzalez Subject: RE: RV10-List: Inserting Gear legs My rt gear leg was extrememly difficult to even get it into the mount let a lone the last few inches. The problem is that the leg is so heavy and the f it so precise that the correct alignment is difficult to achieve. It really is a two person job. It would be easier if the plane were leaning to one s ide and the gear leg could be inserted vertically into its' receiver that w ay the gravity wasn't pulling down on the bottom of the gear leg and throwi ng the alignment out. On another note=2C I truly believe(visual inspection only) my left wheel is pointing out and my right whell is pointing in. I mean the front half of t he wheels=2C closest to the propeller. There was discussion of this with re gards to shimmy. John From: jesse@saintaviation.com Subject: Re: RV10-List: Inserting Gear legs This is probably too obvious to be helpful=2C but I'll give it a shot anywa y. The gear only touches the mount in 2 places=2C about an inch or two rig ht where it exits the fuselage and about an inch or two where it bolts in u nder the front seat. The neck of the mount is a bigger diameter than the g ear leg=2C so it has to be centered to fit into the last inch or two of the mount. If you are up against the lip of the smaller diameter of the secti on that has the bolt hole=2C it won't go any further unless you get it cent ered. Again=2C I assume that you already know this=2C but I figured I'd se nd it anyway. I have never seen one not fit right in. Make sure that you have no burrs o n the ID of the neck of the mount or on the OD of the gear leg=2C especiall y at the bolt hole. Besides that=2C I don't think I can help. do not archive Jesse SaintSaint Aviation=2C Inc.jesse@saintaviation.comCell: 352-427-0285F ax: 815-377-3694 On Nov 13=2C 2009=2C at 12:56 AM=2C Les Kearney wrote:Hi I have started ins talling my main gear legs but have hit a small snag. The port gear leg inse rts easily right up to the last couple of inches. I have greased everything up and deburred the lower opening but don=92t want to force anything in ca se it gets jammed. There are some archived posts that speak about getting j ammed legs out and I really don=92t want to go there. Any magical suggestio ns for getting the legs to go in the last couple of inches and then getting them=2C out so I can deburr etc? I was thinking about using a heat gun on the gear mount but if that works I am not sure how to get them out again. C heers Les#40643 style="color: blue=3B text-decoration: underline=3B ">www.aeroelectric.co m href="http://www.buildersbooks.com/" style="color: blue=3B text-decorat ion: underline=3B ">www.buildersbooks.com style="color: blue=3B text-decoration: underline=3B ">www.homebuilthelp.c om style="color: blue=3B text-decoration: underline=3B ">http://www.matronic s.com/contribution style="color: blue=3B text-decoration: underline=3B ">http://www.matronic s.com/Navigator?RV10-List blue=3B text-decoration: underline=3B ">http://forums.matronics.com ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 10:42:23 AM PST US From: "Les Kearney" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Inserting Gear legs Hi Many thanks for all the suggestions. A couple of things, as suggested, seemed to make a big difference. First I deburred the entrance hole on each gear mount. After this was done I was able to start the gear leg. I also cleaned up the top contact point on the mount with some scotch brite. Although the plans suggest lubrication before the final placement of the gear, I decided to grease things up prior to the initial placement. The archives have a few posts where gear legs have become stuck. I found that bearing grease didn't help too much. I had to back off as I felt the leg starting to jam. What I found made a world of difference was Permetex Copper Anti Size Lubricant. Using this, the legs slid in with reasonable effort and, most importantly, will also slide out. Before using this I confirmed that it would be okay with Ken Scott (Van's). His only caution was to clean things up prior to torquing the attach bolts. Cheers Les #40643 PS Bill Watson's suggestion to use the engine lift to place the fuse on a work bench is brilliantly simple. _____ From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Gonzalez Sent: November-13-09 9:34 AM Subject: RE: RV10-List: Inserting Gear legs My rt gear leg was extrememly difficult to even get it into the mount let alone the last few inches. The problem is that the leg is so heavy and the fit so precise that the correct alignment is difficult to achieve. It really is a two person job. It would be easier if the plane were leaning to one side and the gear leg could be inserted vertically into its' receiver that way the gravity wasn't pulling down on the bottom of the gear leg and throwing the alignment out. On another note, I truly believe(visual inspection only) my left wheel is pointing out and my right whell is pointing in. I mean the front half of the wheels, closest to the propeller. There was discussion of this with regards to shimmy. John _____ From: jesse@saintaviation.com Subject: Re: RV10-List: Inserting Gear legs This is probably too obvious to be helpful, but I'll give it a shot anyway. The gear only touches the mount in 2 places, about an inch or two right where it exits the fuselage and about an inch or two where it bolts in under the front seat. The neck of the mount is a bigger diameter than the gear leg, so it has to be centered to fit into the last inch or two of the mount. If you are up against the lip of the smaller diameter of the section that has the bolt hole, it won't go any further unless you get it centered. Again, I assume that you already know this, but I figured I'd send it anyway. I have never seen one not fit right in. Make sure that you have no burrs on the ID of the neck of the mount or on the OD of the gear leg, especially at the bolt hole. Besides that, I don't think I can help. do not archive Jesse Saint Saint Aviation, Inc. jesse@saintaviation.com Cell: 352-427-0285 Fax: 815-377-3694 On Nov 13, 2009, at 12:56 AM, Les Kearney wrote: Hi I have started installing my main gear legs but have hit a small snag. The port gear leg inserts easily right up to the last couple of inches. I have greased everything up and deburred the lower opening but don't want to force anything in case it gets jammed. There are some archived posts that speak about getting jammed legs out and I really don't want to go there. Any magical suggestions for getting the legs to go in the last couple of inches and then getting them, out so I can deburr etc? I was thinking about using a heat gun on the gear mount but if that works I am not sure how to get them out again. Cheers Les #40643 style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">www.aeroelectric.com href="http://www.buildersbooks.com/" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">www.buildersbooks.com style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">www.homebuilthelp.com style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">http://www.matronics.com/contribution style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List blue; text-decoration: underline; ">http://forums.matronics.com ectric.com ">www.buildersbooks.com builthelp.com tronics.com/contribution /www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List .com ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 11:09:55 AM PST US From: "Geoff Combs" Subject: RE: RV10-List: RV10 Interior Wayne I did do my own interior. As for the black door edge that is the stuff from McMaster carr that people are using for the RV-10 door seals. I made my edges wider than most are using. I used the 1/4" edge seals. Geoff Geoff Combs President Aerosport Modeling & Design 8090 Howe Industrial Parkway Canal Winchester, Ohio 43110 614-834-5227p 614-834-5230f www.aerosportmodeling.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Wayne Edgerton Sent: Friday, November 13, 2009 7:37 AM Subject: Re: RV10-List: RV10 Interior Hi Geoff, Did you do your own interior or if not where did you get it? It really looks nice. Also same question for the black door trim you have installed. Wayne Edgerton ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 01:23:59 PM PST US From: Bill Mauledriver Watson Subject: Re: RV10-List: Inserting Gear legs Les, thanks for the props on the engine lift/work. Now that you've apparently done it successfully, please share how you did it. Where/how did you hook up the lift? I'm getting ready to do it this month. Thanks Bill "using 'props' for the first time per the urban dictionary" Watson Les Kearney wrote: > > Hi > > Many thanks for all the suggestions. A couple of things, as suggested, > seemed to make a big difference. First I deburred the entrance hole on > each gear mount. After this was done I was able to start the gear leg. > I also cleaned up the top contact point on the mount with some scotch > brite. > > Although the plans suggest lubrication before the final placement of > the gear, I decided to grease things up prior to the initial > placement. The archives have a few posts where gear legs have become > stuck. I found that bearing grease didnt help too much. I had to back > off as I felt the leg starting to jam. What I found made a world of > difference was Permetex Copper Anti Size Lubricant. Using this, the > legs slid in with reasonable effort and, most importantly, will also > slide out. Before using this I confirmed that it would be okay with > Ken Scott (Vans). His only caution was to clean things up prior to > torquing the attach bolts. > > Cheers > > Les > > #40643 > > PS Bill Watsons suggestion to use the engine lift to place the fuse > on a work bench is brilliantly simple. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > *From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *John Gonzalez > *Sent:* November-13-09 9:34 AM > *To:* RV 10 group > *Subject:* RE: RV10-List: Inserting Gear legs > > My rt gear leg was extrememly difficult to even get it into the mount > let alone the last few inches. The problem is that the leg is so heavy > and the fit so precise that the correct alignment is difficult to > achieve. It really is a two person job. It would be easier if the > plane were leaning to one side and the gear leg could be inserted > vertically into its' receiver that way the gravity wasn't pulling down > on the bottom of the gear leg and throwing the alignment out. > > On another note, I truly believe(visual inspection only) my left wheel > is pointing out and my right whell is pointing in. I mean the front > half of the wheels, closest to the propeller. There was discussion of > this with regards to shimmy. > > John > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > From: jesse@saintaviation.com > Subject: Re: RV10-List: Inserting Gear legs > Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2009 07:58:52 -0500 > To: rv10-list@matronics.com > > This is probably too obvious to be helpful, but I'll give it a shot > anyway. The gear only touches the mount in 2 places, about an inch or > two right where it exits the fuselage and about an inch or two where > it bolts in under the front seat. The neck of the mount is a bigger > diameter than the gear leg, so it has to be centered to fit into the > last inch or two of the mount. If you are up against the lip of the > smaller diameter of the section that has the bolt hole, it won't go > any further unless you get it centered. Again, I assume that you > already know this, but I figured I'd send it anyway. > > I have never seen one not fit right in. Make sure that you have no > burrs on the ID of the neck of the mount or on the OD of the gear leg, > especially at the bolt hole. Besides that, I don't think I can help. > > do not archive > > Jesse Saint > > Saint Aviation, Inc. > > jesse@saintaviation.com > > Cell: 352-427-0285 > > Fax: 815-377-3694 > > On Nov 13, 2009, at 12:56 AM, Les Kearney wrote: > > Hi > > I have started installing my main gear legs but have hit a small > snag. The port gear leg inserts easily right up to the last couple > of inches. I have greased everything up and deburred the lower > opening but dont want to force anything in case it gets jammed. > There are some archived posts that speak about getting jammed legs > out and I really dont want to go there. > > Any magical suggestions for getting the legs to go in the last > couple of inches and then getting them, out so I can deburr etc? I > was thinking about using a heat gun on the gear mount but if that > works I am not sure how to get them out again. > > Cheers > > Les > > #40643 > > * * > > *style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">www.aeroelectric.com* > > *href="http://www.buildersbooks.com/" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">www.buildersbooks.com* > > *style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">www.homebuilthelp.com* > > *style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">http://www.matronics.com/contribution* > > *style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List* > > *blue; text-decoration: underline; ">http://forums.matronics.com* > > * * > > * * > *ectric.com* > *">www.buildersbooks.com* > *builthelp.com* > *tronics.com/contribution* > */www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List* > *.com* > * * > * * > * * > ** > ** > ** > *www.aeroelectric.com* > *www.homebuilthelp.com* > ** > *http://www.matronics.com/contribution* > ** > ** > ** > ** > ** > ** > * * > * > > > * ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 07:30:15 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Another RV-10 flying From: "Lenny Iszak" Another airplane joined the flying RV-10 community today. Hugo from Florida had his first flight today in his beautiful flying machine, after 4 years of building. The flight was a non-event. According to Van's numbers it's the 216th RV-10 to fly. Lenny PS: only reminded him about Friday the 13th after he landed... 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