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1. 06:23 AM - Re: Tips on removal of front window and lessons learned (Patrick Thyssen)
2. 09:28 AM - Re: Tips on removal of front window and lessons learned (Michael Kraus)
3. 10:30 AM - G500 (Patrick Thyssen)
4. 10:33 AM - Re: Tips on removal of front window and lessons learned (Bill Mauledriver Watson)
5. 11:20 AM - Re: Tips on removal of front window and lessons learned (Jeff Carpenter)
6. 11:24 AM - Re: G500 (Linn Walters)
7. 11:43 AM - Re: G500 (Patrick Thyssen)
8. 01:13 PM - Re: G500 (Patrick Thyssen)
9. 02:43 PM - Re: G500 (Bill Mauledriver Watson)
10. 03:54 PM - Re: Tips on removal of front window and lessons learned (Byron&Donya)
11. 06:09 PM - Re: G500 (Kelly McMullen)
12. 07:12 PM - Re: G500 (Bill Mauledriver Watson)
13. 07:35 PM - remove (john nunn)
14. 08:07 PM - Re: Tips on removal of front window and lessons learned (John Gonzalez)
15. 08:14 PM - Re: G500 (David McNeill)
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| Subject: | Tips on removal of front window and lessons learned |
I too just replaced my front window. Used a router and then cleand up as ne
eded. I talked to weldon tech and they said if you do not get it all off (w
eldon) you should still get the same bond as before. I too used fingers but
my problem did not occure from that, it was through out the window. Gues w
hat Van had to say. Never seen or heard of that before. Try micro mesh. No
thanks
Here's a couple of pic of my install and what it looked like.
Patrick Thyssen
At least I got a 100hr out of it.
--- On Tue, 11/17/09, David McNeill <dlm46007@cox.net> wrote:
From: David McNeill <dlm46007@cox.net>
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Tips on removal of front window and lessons learned
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AMILY:Verdana;FONT-SIZE:10pt;}=0A=0A=0Awe used the "fingers" on all windows
.- .An even gentle pressure =0Ais exerted all round. Check with Mike Andr
esan on Friday. I showed him the =0Atechnique on his left rear window and h
e has used it on others. Or you can call =0Ame on 480-626-4048.-
=0A=0A=0AFrom: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com =0A[mailto:owner-rv10-l
ist-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roxanne and =0AMike Lefever
Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2009 7:27 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Tips on removal of =0Afront window and lessons lear
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=0ADavid:- did you do something similar like the fingers when doing =0Ath
e-back windows? I am-hoping to try those again-on the next =0Awarm-
weekend day after having cracked one by clamping it.
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=0A=0AFrom: dlm46007@cox.net
Subject: RE: RV10-List: =0ATips on removal of front window and lessons lear
ned
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and RV10. We use bent aluminum fingers; a 1/2" wide by 3 " by .040 strip
=0Ahas a cleco hole on one end and a masking tape wrap on the other. cleco
holes =0Afor these "fingers" are drilled at 4-6" intervals around the glass
. these are =0Anumbered and are placed when the window is glued. After curi
ng, the fingers are =0Aremoved and the edge of the window sanded smooth. Th
en two one inch strips of =0AE-glass , cut on a 45 bias, are glued around t
he windows to secure the window in =0Athe frame and fill the mounting holes
. More work but the neither the window or =0Athe frame crack. We learned th
is technique at Phoenix Composites who have been =0Adoing this for years wi
th all manner of composite =0Aaircraft.
=0A=0A=0AFrom: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com =0A[mailto:owner-rv10-l
ist-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John =0AGonzalez
Sent: Monday, November 16, 2009 10:24 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Tips on removal of front window and =0Alessons lear
ned
=0AI can only imagine the feeling of having to redo a windscreen due to =0A
cracks, )^%&*^2208&^*66&769q!!!! =0A
=0AThought i would post a few pict on how I glued in my windscreen. I had
=0Aheard about all the craze line issues and I even went as far as to purch
ase five =0Atubes of Sikaflex for the side windows. I never used the sikafl
ex so if anyone =0Awant to purchase the five tubes for a quarter of what it
cost me, let me =0Aknow.=0A
=0AThe key to clamping the windscreen IMO in is distribution of pressure. I
=0Aused several laminations of 1/16" ply, aircraft modeling plywood to dis
tribute =0Athe force. The pictures should tell the story. Also, I used wood
en wedges to =0Apush down on the plexi where needed. Note the 3/4" ply used
across the top of =0Athe canopy, clamped to the canopy, but it is the wedg
es which are pushing down =0Aon the plexi. This entire process is a two per
son process and it needs to be =0Arehearsed. One person should spread the W
eld On on the canopy rim while the =0Aother is doing the windscreen edge. P
ressure to the windscreen should be applied =0Aat the top and then incremen
tally going out to the sides, each side at the same =0Atime. Tape should be
placed on the inside of the windcreen and outside with the =0Ainside tape
removed once the window is clamped. Get all the hairs of WeldOn off =0Athe
plexi immediately.=0A
=0A
=0A=0ADate: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 17:34:47 -0800
From: =0Aaarongleixner@sbcglobal.net
Subject: RV10-List: Tips on removal of front =0Awindow and lessons learned
=0A=0A =0A =0A =0A I just got off the phone with Van's after payi
ng $470 for a new front =0A window.- I had approximately 50 small cr
acks starting at the glue =0A joint, and extending about 1/8 inch beyo
nd the glue joint.- After =0A reading all the warnings about not cla
mping when glueing the windows, I =0A added a clamp in one location to
hold the plexi tight, and all the cracks =0A started under the clamp.
- While clamping pressure may not be the only =0A variable for crack
formation, it is definitely a strong contributing =0A factor.- So f
or those about to complete this step, avoid the clamps, =0A and use pl
enty of glue to bridge any small gaps that might result.=0A -=0A
Now for the question.- Has anyone else had to remove a front =0A w
indow?- At this point, I only need to remove the glue joint.- =0A
How was it accomplished?- Van's said someone routed out a window, but =0A
I was wondering if lots of heat from a heat gun, and a little prying
might =0A separate the glue from the fiberglass.- Any suggestions wo
uld be =0A greatly appreciated.=0A -=0A Aaron-
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| Subject: | Re: Tips on removal of front window and lessons learned |
Do Van's has selective amnesia then because I sent them a similar
picture 2 years ago.....
Sent from my iPhone
On Nov 18, 2009, at 9:12 AM, Patrick Thyssen <jump2@sbcglobal.net>
wrote:
> I too just replaced my front window. Used a router and then cleand
> up as needed. I talked to weldon tech and they said if you do not
> get it all off (weldon) you should still get the same bond as
> before. I too used fingers but my problem did not occure from that,
> it was through out the window. Gues what Van had to say. Never seen
> or heard of that before. Try micro mesh. No thanks
> Here's a couple of pic of my install and what it looked like.
> Patrick Thyssen
> At least I got a 100hr out of it.
>
> --- On Tue, 11/17/09, David McNeill <dlm46007@cox.net> wrote:
>
> From: David McNeill <dlm46007@cox.net>
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Tips on removal of front window and lessons
> learned
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Date: Tuesday, November 17, 2009, 9:19 PM
>
> we used the "fingers" on all windows. .An even gentle pressure is
> exerted all round. Check with Mike Andresan on Friday. I showed him
> the technique on his left rear window and he has used it on others.
> Or you can call me on 480-626-4048.
>
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-
> server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roxanne and Mike Lefever
> Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2009 7:27 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Tips on removal of front window and lessons
> learned
>
> David: did you do something similar like the fingers when doing the
> back windows? I am hoping to try those again on the next warm
> weekend day after having cracked one by clamping it.
>
> From: dlm46007@cox.net
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Tips on removal of front window and lessons
> learned
> Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2009 06:04:19 -0700
>
> We have used the following technique successfully on two aircraft ,
> Glastar and RV10. We use bent aluminum fingers; a 1/2" wide by 3 "
> by .040 strip has a cleco hole on one end and a masking tape wrap on
> the other. cleco holes for these "fingers" are drilled at 4-6"
> intervals around the glass. these are numbered and are placed when
> the window is glued. After curing, the fingers are removed and the
> edge of the window sanded smooth. Then two one inch strips of E-
> glass , cut on a 45 bias, are glued around the windows to secure the
> window in the frame and fill the mounting holes. More work but the
> neither the window or the frame crack. We learned this technique at
> Phoenix Composites who have been doing this for years with all
> manner of composite aircraft.
>
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-
> server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Gonzalez
> Sent: Monday, November 16, 2009 10:24 PM
> To: RV 10 group
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Tips on removal of front window and lessons
> learned
>
> I can only imagine the feeling of having to redo a windscreen due to
> cracks, )^%&*^2208&^*66&769q!!!!
>
> Thought i would post a few pict on how I glued in my windscreen. I
> had heard about all the craze line issues and I even went as far as
> to purchase five tubes of Sikaflex for the side windows. I never
> used the sikaflex so if anyone want to purchase the five tubes for a
> quarter of what it cost me, let me know.
>
> The key to clamping the windscreen IMO in is distribution of
> pressure. I used several laminations of 1/16" ply, aircraft modeling
> plywood to distribute the force. The pictures should tell the story.
> Also, I used wooden wedges to push down on the plexi where needed.
> Note the 3/4" ply used across the top of the canopy, clamped to the
> canopy, but it is the wedges which are pushing down on the plexi.
> This entire process is a two person process and it needs to be
> rehearsed. One person should spread the Weld On on the canopy rim
> while the other is doing the windscreen edge. Pressure to the
> windscreen should be applied at the top and then incrementally going
> out to the sides, each side at the same time. Tape should be placed
> on the inside of the windcreen and outside with the inside tape
> removed once the window is clamped. Get all the hairs of WeldOn off
> the plexi immediately.
>
>
> Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 17:34:47 -0800
> From: aarongleixner@sbcglobal.net
> Subject: RV10-List: Tips on removal of front window and lessons
> learned
> To: RV10-list@matronics.com
>
> I just got off the phone with Van's after paying $470 for a new
> front window. I had approximately 50 small cracks starting at the
> glue joint, and extending about 1/8 inch beyond the glue joint.
> After reading all the warnings about not clamping when glueing the
> windows, I added a clamp in one location to hold the plexi tight,
> and all the cracks started under the clamp. While clamping pressure
> may not be the only variable for crack formation, it is definitely a
> strong contributing factor. So for those about to complete this
> step, avoid the clamps, and use plenty of glue to bridge any small
> gaps that might result.
>
> Now for the question. Has anyone else had to remove a front
> window? At this point, I only need to remove the glue joint. How
> was it accomplished? Van's said someone routed out a window, but I
> was wondering if lots of heat from a heat gun, and a little prying
> might separate the glue from the fiberglass. Any suggestions would
> be greatly appreciated.
>
> Aaron
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-As some of you know that I'm in the process of rebuilding my instrument
panel. Stein has shipped it back to me and I should receive it shortly. I h
ad OP Tech/Aerosonic full intergrated system in my RV10.
-We know how that turned out.
-So I did the research on the G500 and decided that was what I wanted. So
I bought it and will have a pair of 430w's with 330 transponder. Also took
out my strike finder for a new WX500 stormscope.
In the G500 install manual they tell you how to wire it up, even though it'
s not supported yet. Near future they said. Well I called the tech yesterda
y to find out how they're coming with the sofeware for the WX500. The field
engineer said, it was not and if they ever do, it would be a least two yrs
.
-So here I am, New panel desighned cut- painted ready to install shortl
y no place to put a strikefinder. I'm begining to feel like I'm dealing wit
h OP again.
-Now I ask you how many retro aircraft out there that would put this kind
of unit in and not have or would want to have a WX500 stormscope in them.
-And yes it will display on the 430w with the little screen, but, You buy
the big screen so you can see it. We have XM weather on portable due to di
fferent planes we fly.
-Thats my story
Thanks Garmin
Patrick Thyssen
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| Subject: | Re: Tips on removal of front window and lessons learned |
I'm ready to do all the glass but I don't completely get the issues
involved. Is there more than clamping that is a problem? The crazing
in the middle of the wind sheild doesn't seem like a clamping problem.
As I understand it, a warm shop, the right tools, the adhesive of your
choice, a good partner, and ? will lead to success.
Bill "all the glass by Christmas" Watson
40605
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| Subject: | Re: Tips on removal of front window and lessons learned |
I'm in the middle of all this right now, and here's my thought (for
whatever it might be worth):
If the window does not sit flush with the mating surface and has to be
clamped to conform to the proper shape, then you risk crazing as a
result of the tension that you've bonded in to the plexi. It is
probably best to build up the mating surface prior to bonding to some
extent to minimize the need for any distortion of the window shape...
clamps, tape, weight, etc. should be used to hold the piece in place
while bonding, not to change the shape of the plexi.
Jeff Carpenter
40304
On Nov 18, 2009, at 10:32 AM, Bill Mauledriver Watson wrote:
> >
>
> I'm ready to do all the glass but I don't completely get the issues
> involved. Is there more than clamping that is a problem? The
> crazing in the middle of the wind sheild doesn't seem like a
> clamping problem.
>
> As I understand it, a warm shop, the right tools, the adhesive of
> your choice, a good partner, and ? will lead to success.
>
> Bill "all the glass by Christmas" Watson
> 40605
>
>
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Patrick, I think you answered your question .... XM weather. The
stormscope just can't compete with all the additional info you get from
XM weather, and I think Garmin knows that. Can't you port the XM
weather to your big screen???
Linn
Patrick Thyssen wrote:
> As some of you know that I'm in the process of rebuilding my instrument
> panel. Stein has shipped it back to me and I should receive it shortly.
> I had OP Tech/Aerosonic full intergrated system in my RV10.
> We know how that turned out.
> So I did the research on the G500 and decided that was what I wanted.
> So I bought it and will have a pair of 430w's with 330 transponder. Also
> took out my strike finder for a new WX500 stormscope.
> In the G500 install manual they tell you how to wire it up, even though
> it's not supported yet. Near future they said. Well I called the tech
> yesterday to find out how they're coming with the sofeware for the
> WX500. The field engineer said, it was not and if they ever do, it would
> be a least two yrs.
> So here I am, New panel desighned cut painted ready to install shortly
> no place to put a strikefinder. I'm begining to feel like I'm dealing
> with OP again.
> Now I ask you how many retro aircraft out there that would put this
> kind of unit in and not have or would want to have a WX500 stormscope in
> them.
> And yes it will display on the 430w with the little screen, but, You
> buy the big screen so you can see it. We have XM weather on portable due
> to different planes we fly.
> Thats my story
> Thanks Garmin
>
> Patrick Thyssen
>
> *
>
>
> *
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To go into known weather you have to have onboard radar or lighting dection
. Sometime weather on xm doesn't show up as you need or is 15 min. late
I have portable xm on my 496 soon to be 696 I hope.Depending on the CFO and
what she says. I use it among different aircraft I fly.
I have flown with stormscopes for years.
Patrick Thyssen
--- On Wed, 11/18/09, Linn Walters <pitts_pilot@bellsouth.net> wrote:
From: Linn Walters <pitts_pilot@bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: RV10-List: G500
Patrick, I think you answered your question .... XM weather.- The stormsc
ope just can't compete with all the additional info you get from XM weather
, and I think Garmin knows that.- Can't you port the XM weather to your b
ig screen???
Linn
Patrick Thyssen wrote:
>- As some of you know that I'm in the process of rebuilding my instrumen
t panel. Stein has shipped it back to me and I should receive it shortly. I
had OP Tech/Aerosonic full intergrated system in my RV10.
>- We know how that turned out.
>- So I did the research on the G500 and decided that was what I wanted.
So I bought it and will have a pair of 430w's with 330 transponder. Also to
ok out my strike finder for a new WX500 stormscope.
> In the G500 install manual they tell you how to wire it up, even though i
t's not supported yet. Near future they said. Well I called the tech yester
day to find out how they're coming with the sofeware for the WX500. The fie
ld engineer said, it was not and if they ever do, it would be a least two y
rs.
>- So here I am, New panel desighned cut- painted ready to install shor
tly no place to put a strikefinder. I'm begining to feel like I'm dealing w
ith OP again.
>- Now I ask you how many retro aircraft out there that would put this ki
nd of unit in and not have or would want to have a WX500 stormscope in them
.
>- And yes it will display on the 430w with the little screen, but, You b
uy the big screen so you can see it. We have XM weather on portable due to
different planes we fly.
>- Thats my story
> Thanks Garmin
>
> Patrick Thyssen
>
> *
>
>
> *
le, List Admin.
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-I guess I should correct myself under 135 you have to have the equiptmen
t as per FAR135.173. I think
Me now days I'll have both stormscope and XM
MY2cents
Patrick Thyssen
--- On Wed, 11/18/09, Patrick Thyssen <jump2@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
From: Patrick Thyssen <jump2@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: RV10-List: G500
To go into known weather you have to have onboard radar or lighting dection
. Sometime weather on xm doesn't show up as you need or is 15 min. late
I have portable xm on my 496 soon to be 696 I hope.Depending on the CFO and
what she says. I use it among different aircraft I fly.
I have flown with stormscopes for years.
Patrick Thyssen
--- On Wed, 11/18/09, Linn Walters <pitts_pilot@bellsouth.net> wrote:
From: Linn Walters <pitts_pilot@bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: RV10-List: G500
Patrick, I think you answered your question .... XM weather.- The stormsc
ope just can't compete with all the additional info you get from XM weather
, and I think Garmin knows that.- Can't you port the XM weather to your b
ig screen???
Linn
Patrick Thyssen wrote:
>- As some of you know that I'm in the process of rebuilding my instrumen
t panel. Stein has shipped it back to me and I should receive it shortly. I
had OP Tech/Aerosonic full intergrated system in my RV10.
>- We know how that turned out.
>- So I did the research on the G500 and decided that was what I wanted.
So I bought it and will have a pair of 430w's with 330 transponder. Also to
ok out my strike finder for a new WX500 stormscope.
> In the G500 install manual they tell you how to wire it up, even though i
t's not supported yet. Near future they=0A said. Well I called the tech yes
terday to find out how they're coming with the sofeware for the WX500. The
field engineer said, it was not and if they ever do, it would be a least tw
o yrs.
>- So here I am, New panel desighned cut- painted ready to install shor
tly no place to put a strikefinder. I'm begining to feel like I'm dealing w
ith OP again.
>- Now I ask you how many retro aircraft out there that would put this ki
nd of unit in and not have or would want to have a WX500 stormscope in them
.
>- And yes it will display on the 430w with the little screen, but, You b
uy the big screen so you can see it. We have XM weather on portable due to
different planes we fly.
>- Thats my story
> Thanks Garmin
>
> Patrick Thyssen
>
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I've never had the chance to fly with radar or a Stormscope. After
flying blind for awhile, I started using CheapBastard software on an RF
Palm (anybody use that hall of fame mashup) and suddenly there was
light, and I could see around corners. Then the 396 came out and I
thought I died and went to heaven.
I'll probably never get the chance to fly with radar or a scope but
won't feel limited because I've never been so enabled.
Looking forward to lighting up XM weather on the GRTs.
Patrick, your RV10 avionics journey is heart wrenching. Thanks for
sharing. Hope it all comes together in the end.
Bill Watson
Patrick Thyssen wrote:
> I guess I should correct myself under 135 you have to have the
> equiptment as per FAR135.173. I think
> Me now days I'll have both stormscope and XM
> MY2cents
> Patrick Thyssen
>
> --- On *Wed, 11/18/09, Patrick Thyssen /<jump2@sbcglobal.net>/* wrote:
>
>
> From: Patrick Thyssen <jump2@sbcglobal.net>
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: G500
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Date: Wednesday, November 18, 2009, 1:41 PM
>
> To go into known weather you have to have onboard radar or
> lighting dection. Sometime weather on xm doesn't show up as you
> need or is 15 min. late
> I have portable xm on my 496 soon to be 696 I hope.Depending on
> the CFO and what she says. I use it among different aircraft I fly.
> I have flown with stormscopes for years.
> Patrick Thyssen
> --- On *Wed, 11/18/09, Linn Walters /<pitts_pilot@bellsouth.net>/*
> wrote:
>
>
> From: Linn Walters <pitts_pilot@bellsouth.net>
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: G500
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Date: Wednesday, November 18, 2009, 1:20 PM
>
> <pitts_pilot@bellsouth.net>
>
> Patrick, I think you answered your question .... XM weather.
> The stormscope just can't compete with all the additional info
> you get from XM weather, and I think Garmin knows that. Can't
> you port the XM weather to your big screen???
> Linn
>
> Patrick Thyssen wrote:
> > As some of you know that I'm in the process of rebuilding
> my instrument panel. Stein has shipped it back to me and I
> should receive it shortly. I had OP Tech/Aerosonic full
> intergrated system in my RV10.
> > We know how that turned out.
> > So I did the research on the G500 and decided that was what
> I wanted. So I bought it and will have a pair of 430w's with
> 330 transponder. Also took out my strike finder for a new
> WX500 stormscope.
> > In the G500 install manual they tell you how to wire it up,
> even though it's not supported yet. Near future they said.
> Well I called the tech yesterday to find out how they're
> coming with the sofeware for the WX500. The field engineer
> said, it was not and if they ever do, it would be a least two yrs.
> > So here I am, New panel desighned cut painted ready to
> install shortly no place to put a strikefinder. I'm begining
> to feel like I'm dealing with OP again.
> > Now I ask you how many retro aircraft out there that would
> put this kind of unit in and not have or would want to have a
> WX500 stormscope in them.
> > And yes it will display on the 430w with the little screen,
> but, You buy the big screen so you can see it. We have XM
> weather on portable due to different planes we fly.
> > Thats my story
> > Thanks Garmin
> >
> > Patrick Thyssen
> >
> > *
> >ut http://www.matronics.com/csp;
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| Subject: | Tips on removal of front window and lessons learned |
I am actually surprised at the number of folks that have had to replace the windscreen
already.. I went through the same issue earlier this year - before the
first flight.
Mine was in the middle of the passenger side. As best I could tell it was probably
self induced. I remember cleaning the windscreen a few years back so I could
paint a good coat of spray latex for protection. It was before the numerous
discussions on what not to use on the "glass". After removing the spray lat,
I found crazing in 3 different areas that was not there prior. I used the micro
polish kit and completely removed the defect. Unfortunately, the slight variation
in thickness (when viewed at the sharp angle) was totally unacceptable.
I cried a bit then forked over the cash and bought a new windscreen.
I had no issues around the perimeter. I used the aluminum fingers and some duct
tape and had a good fit with no crazing. I did opt to pass on the Weld-on the
second round and used FE6026 with very good results so far. The removal was a
chore using heat and a chisel to remove. Time consuming and painful but do able.
The re-installation was smooth and then back in business.
Hard lesson to take but the windscreens deserve a lot of respect. I did look at
the thickness of my Cessna windscreen in comparison - WOW. If I hit a bird I
would much rather be in the RV!
Byron
N253RV
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Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 1:32 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Tips on removal of front window and lessons learned
I'm ready to do all the glass but I don't completely get the issues
involved. Is there more than clamping that is a problem? The crazing
in the middle of the wind sheild doesn't seem like a clamping problem.
As I understand it, a warm shop, the right tools, the adhesive of your
choice, a good partner, and ? will lead to success.
Bill "all the glass by Christmas" Watson
40605
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The XM from what I have seen is similar to what you see on weather
computer in FBO, with similar delays. What you get on Stormscope is
where electrical activity exists right now, which normally is where
the worst bumps are located. Radar tells you where rain is right now,
but doesn't tell you much about what is behind the first line of rain.
XM is strategic planning info. Stormscope and radar are tactical tools
when planning or weather behavior isn't as good as you hoped.
On Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 2:43 PM, Bill Mauledriver Watson
<MauleDriver@nc.rr.com> wrote:
> <MauleDriver@nc.rr.com>
>
> I've never had the chance to fly with radar or a Stormscope. After flying
> blind for awhile, I started using CheapBastard software on an RF Palm
> (anybody use that hall of fame mashup) and suddenly there was light, and I
> could see around corners. Then the 396 came out and I thought I died and
> went to heaven.
>
> I'll probably never get the chance to fly with radar or a scope but won't
> feel limited because I've never been so enabled.
>
> Looking forward to lighting up XM weather on the GRTs.
>
> Patrick, your RV10 avionics journey is heart wrenching. Thanks for sharing.
> Hope it all comes together in the end.
>
> Bill Watson
>
> Patrick Thyssen wrote:
>>
>> I guess I should correct myself under 135 you have to have the equiptment
>> as per FAR135.173. I think
>> Me now days I'll have both stormscope and XM
>> MY2cents
>> Patrick Thyssen
>>
>> --- On *Wed, 11/18/09, Patrick Thyssen /<jump2@sbcglobal.net>/* wrote:
>>
>>
>> From: Patrick Thyssen <jump2@sbcglobal.net>
>> Subject: Re: RV10-List: G500
>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>> Date: Wednesday, November 18, 2009, 1:41 PM
>>
>> To go into known weather you have to have onboard radar or
>> lighting dection. Sometime weather on xm doesn't show up as you
>> need or is 15 min. late
>> I have portable xm on my 496 soon to be 696 I hope.Depending on
>> the CFO and what she says. I use it among different aircraft I fly.
>> I have flown with stormscopes for years.
>> Patrick Thyssen
>> --- On *Wed, 11/18/09, Linn Walters /<pitts_pilot@bellsouth.net>/*
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>> From: Linn Walters <pitts_pilot@bellsouth.net>
>> Subject: Re: RV10-List: G500
>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>> Date: Wednesday, November 18, 2009, 1:20 PM
>>
>> <pitts_pilot@bellsouth.net>
>>
>> Patrick, I think you answered your question .... XM weather.
>> The stormscope just can't compete with all the additional info
>> you get from XM weather, and I think Garmin knows that. Can't
>> you port the XM weather to your big screen???
>> Linn
>>
>> Patrick Thyssen wrote:
>> > As some of you know that I'm in the process of rebuilding
>> my instrument panel. Stein has shipped it back to me and I
>> should receive it shortly. I had OP Tech/Aerosonic full
>> intergrated system in my RV10.
>> > We know how that turned out.
>> > So I did the research on the G500 and decided that was what
>> I wanted. So I bought it and will have a pair of 430w's with
>> 330 transponder. Also took out my strike finder for a new
>> WX500 stormscope.
>> > In the G500 install manual they tell you how to wire it up,
>> even though it's not supported yet. Near future they said.
>> Well I called the tech yesterday to find out how they're
>> coming with the sofeware for the WX500. The field engineer
>> said, it was not and if they ever do, it would be a least two yrs.
>> > So here I am, New panel desighned cut painted ready to
>> install shortly no place to put a strikefinder. I'm begining
>> to feel like I'm dealing with OP again.
>> > Now I ask you how many retro aircraft out there that would
>> put this kind of unit in and not have or would want to have a
>> WX500 stormscope in them.
>> > And yes it will display on the 430w with the little screen,
>> but, You buy the big screen so you can see it. We have XM
>> weather on portable due to different planes we fly.
>> > Thats my story
>> > Thanks Garmin
>> >
>> > Patrick Thyssen
>> >
>> > *
>> >ut http://www.matronics.com/csp;
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>> target="_blank">http:http://forums.matronics.com" ======
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Agreed.
I guess after one (inadvertent) flight into what I'd describe as light
embedded cells, I quickly decided that such conditions weren't really
manageable with zero weather capability. When I first had access to
CheapBastard, I found that Nexrad images in the cockpit was a quantum
leap, an order of magnitude improvement over total dependence on ATC,
Flight Watch, and my dilated eyeballs. Embedded light cells were still
to be avoided due to a lack of a 'tactical' view but flight thru the SE
US including typical FL afternoons became very doable.
Flights involved staying in clear air 90% of the time with very limited
cloud penetrations. But with 25 min old Nexrad images, I could see the
big picture, watch how it moved and see around corners. JAX center
controllers may be the best in the states at steering traffic around and
thru weather. It was fun being able to see almost as well as they could
in pre-396 days.
G396-style Nexrad works really well on convective SE US days with
defined cells and lines. But I'm imagining that in embedded situations
where it is 100% IMC with embedded buildups, flight is best done with
radar and/or storm scope equipment. And a more heavily loaded
aircraft than a Maule.
Bill "who still likes to think of a thunderstorm as a malignant thermal"
Watson
Kelly McMullen wrote:
>
> The XM from what I have seen is similar to what you see on weather
> computer in FBO, with similar delays. What you get on Stormscope is
> where electrical activity exists right now, which normally is where
> the worst bumps are located. Radar tells you where rain is right now,
> but doesn't tell you much about what is behind the first line of rain.
> XM is strategic planning info. Stormscope and radar are tactical tools
> when planning or weather behavior isn't as good as you hoped.
>
> On Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 2:43 PM, Bill Mauledriver Watson
> <MauleDriver@nc.rr.com> wrote:
>
>> <MauleDriver@nc.rr.com>
>>
>> I've never had the chance to fly with radar or a Stormscope. After flying
>> blind for awhile, I started using CheapBastard software on an RF Palm
>> (anybody use that hall of fame mashup) and suddenly there was light, and I
>> could see around corners. Then the 396 came out and I thought I died and
>> went to heaven.
>>
>> I'll probably never get the chance to fly with radar or a scope but won't
>> feel limited because I've never been so enabled.
>>
>> Looking forward to lighting up XM weather on the GRTs.
>>
>> Patrick, your RV10 avionics journey is heart wrenching. Thanks for sharing.
>> Hope it all comes together in the end.
>>
>> Bill Watson
>>
>> Patrick Thyssen wrote:
>>
>>> I guess I should correct myself under 135 you have to have the equiptment
>>> as per FAR135.173. I think
>>> Me now days I'll have both stormscope and XM
>>> MY2cents
>>> Patrick Thyssen
>>>
>>> --- On *Wed, 11/18/09, Patrick Thyssen /<jump2@sbcglobal.net>/* wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> From: Patrick Thyssen <jump2@sbcglobal.net>
>>> Subject: Re: RV10-List: G500
>>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>>> Date: Wednesday, November 18, 2009, 1:41 PM
>>>
>>> To go into known weather you have to have onboard radar or
>>> lighting dection. Sometime weather on xm doesn't show up as you
>>> need or is 15 min. late
>>> I have portable xm on my 496 soon to be 696 I hope.Depending on
>>> the CFO and what she says. I use it among different aircraft I fly.
>>> I have flown with stormscopes for years.
>>> Patrick Thyssen
>>> --- On *Wed, 11/18/09, Linn Walters /<pitts_pilot@bellsouth.net>/*
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> From: Linn Walters <pitts_pilot@bellsouth.net>
>>> Subject: Re: RV10-List: G500
>>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>>> Date: Wednesday, November 18, 2009, 1:20 PM
>>>
>>> <pitts_pilot@bellsouth.net>
>>>
>>> Patrick, I think you answered your question .... XM weather.
>>> The stormscope just can't compete with all the additional info
>>> you get from XM weather, and I think Garmin knows that. Can't
>>> you port the XM weather to your big screen???
>>> Linn
>>>
>>> Patrick Thyssen wrote:
>>> > As some of you know that I'm in the process of rebuilding
>>> my instrument panel. Stein has shipped it back to me and I
>>> should receive it shortly. I had OP Tech/Aerosonic full
>>> intergrated system in my RV10.
>>> > We know how that turned out.
>>> > So I did the research on the G500 and decided that was what
>>> I wanted. So I bought it and will have a pair of 430w's with
>>> 330 transponder. Also took out my strike finder for a new
>>> WX500 stormscope.
>>> > In the G500 install manual they tell you how to wire it up,
>>> even though it's not supported yet. Near future they said.
>>> Well I called the tech yesterday to find out how they're
>>> coming with the sofeware for the WX500. The field engineer
>>> said, it was not and if they ever do, it would be a least two yrs.
>>> > So here I am, New panel desighned cut painted ready to
>>> install shortly no place to put a strikefinder. I'm begining
>>> to feel like I'm dealing with OP again.
>>> > Now I ask you how many retro aircraft out there that would
>>> put this kind of unit in and not have or would want to have a
>>> WX500 stormscope in them.
>>> > And yes it will display on the 430w with the little screen,
>>> but, You buy the big screen so you can see it. We have XM
>>> weather on portable due to different planes we fly.
>>> > Thats my story
>>> > Thanks Garmin
>>> >
>>> > Patrick Thyssen
>>> >
>>> > *
>>> >ut http://www.matronics.com/csp;
>>> ef="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List"
>>> target="_blank">http:http://forums.matronics.com" ======
>>>
>>>
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--- On Wed, 18/11/09, Bill Mauledriver Watson <MauleDriver@nc.rr.com> wrote:
> From: Bill Mauledriver Watson <MauleDriver@nc.rr.com>
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: G500
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Date: Wednesday, 18 November, 2009, 21:43
> Bill Mauledriver Watson <MauleDriver@nc.rr.com>
>
> I've never had the chance to fly with radar or a
> Stormscope. After
> flying blind for awhile, I started using CheapBastard
> software on an RF
> Palm (anybody use that hall of fame mashup) and suddenly
> there was
> light, and I could see around corners. Then the 396
> came out and I
> thought I died and went to heaven.
>
> I'll probably never get the chance to fly with radar or a
> scope but
> won't feel limited because I've never been so
> enabled.
>
> Looking forward to lighting up XM weather on the GRTs.
>
> Patrick, your RV10 avionics journey is heart
> wrenching. Thanks for
> sharing. Hope it all comes together in the end.
>
> Bill Watson
>
> Patrick Thyssen wrote:
> > I guess I should correct myself under 135 you
> have to have the
> > equiptment as per FAR135.173. I think
> > Me now days I'll have both stormscope and XM
> > MY2cents
> > Patrick Thyssen
> >
> > --- On *Wed, 11/18/09, Patrick Thyssen /<jump2@sbcglobal.net>/*
> wrote:
> >
> >
> > From: Patrick Thyssen <jump2@sbcglobal.net>
> > Subject: Re: RV10-List: G500
> > To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> > Date: Wednesday, November 18,
> 2009, 1:41 PM
> >
> > To go into known weather you
> have to have onboard radar or
> > lighting dection. Sometime
> weather on xm doesn't show up as you
> > need or is 15 min. late
> > I have portable xm on my 496
> soon to be 696 I hope.Depending on
> > the CFO and what she says. I
> use it among different aircraft I fly.
> > I have flown with stormscopes
> for years.
> > Patrick Thyssen
> > --- On *Wed, 11/18/09, Linn
> Walters /<pitts_pilot@bellsouth.net>/*
> > wrote:
> >
> >
> > From: Linn
> Walters <pitts_pilot@bellsouth.net>
> > Subject: Re:
> RV10-List: G500
> > To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> > Date: Wednesday,
> November 18, 2009, 1:20 PM
> >
> > --> RV10-List
> message posted by: Linn Walters
> > <pitts_pilot@bellsouth.net>
> >
> > Patrick, I think
> you answered your question .... XM weather.
> > The stormscope
> just can't compete with all the additional info
> > you get from XM
> weather, and I think Garmin knows that. Can't
> > you port the XM
> weather to your big screen???
> > Linn
> >
> > Patrick Thyssen
> wrote:
> > > As
> some of you know that I'm in the process of rebuilding
> > my instrument
> panel. Stein has shipped it back to me and I
> > should receive
> it shortly. I had OP Tech/Aerosonic full
> > intergrated
> system in my RV10.
> > > We
> know how that turned out.
> > > So I
> did the research on the G500 and decided that was what
> > I wanted. So I
> bought it and will have a pair of 430w's with
> > 330 transponder.
> Also took out my strike finder for a new
> > WX500
> stormscope.
> > > In the G500
> install manual they tell you how to wire it up,
> > even though it's
> not supported yet. Near future they said.
> > Well I called
> the tech yesterday to find out how they're
> > coming with the
> sofeware for the WX500. The field engineer
> > said, it was not
> and if they ever do, it would be a least two yrs.
> > > So
> here I am, New panel desighned cut painted ready to
> > install shortly
> no place to put a strikefinder. I'm begining
> > to feel like I'm
> dealing with OP again.
> > > Now I
> ask you how many retro aircraft out there that would
> > put this kind of
> unit in and not have or would want to have a
> > WX500 stormscope
> in them.
> > > And
> yes it will display on the 430w with the little screen,
> > but, You buy the
> big screen so you can see it. We have XM
> > weather on
> portable due to different planes we fly.
> > > Thats
> my story
> > > Thanks
> Garmin
> > >
> > > Patrick
> Thyssen
> > >
> > > *
> > >ut http://www.matronics.com/csp;
>
> > ef="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List"
> >
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| Subject: | Tips on removal of front window and lessons learned |
One issue not explained is=2C "How are people cutting the windscreen?"
I used a cut off wheel. It melts the plastic infront of the cutting.
Next i used 50-60 grit sanding disk on my Bose electric grinder. This is th
e kind of grinder that cuts tile=2C it runs at high RPM. Again=2C it heats
at the same time it taketh away. Watch out for a run away cut off wheel or
sanding disk. DO NOT GET DISTRACTED!
As for getting the windscreen to fit exactly to the canopy frame and fuse
=2C it will never happen. Indeed it takes like two to three hundred on/off
sessions of taking little by little off each time.
One very important point that the manual does not show=2C ROUND THE CORNERS
OFF THE EDGES TO GET RID OF THE POINT LOADS ON THE PLEXI. THE MANUAL SHOWS
A SHARP 90 DEGREE ANGLE ON ALL EDGES...I DO NOT AGREE WITH THIS IMAGE.
John
> Date: Wed=2C 18 Nov 2009 13:32:13 -0500
> From: MauleDriver@nc.rr.com
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Tips on removal of front window and lessons learn
ed
>
rr.com>
>
> I'm ready to do all the glass but I don't completely get the issues
> involved. Is there more than clamping that is a problem? The crazing
> in the middle of the wind sheild doesn't seem like a clamping problem.
>
> As I understand it=2C a warm shop=2C the right tools=2C the adhesive of y
our
> choice=2C a good partner=2C and ? will lead to success.
>
> Bill "all the glass by Christmas" Watson
> 40605
>
>
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Kelly is correct on the Strikefinder/Stormscope; I have come through by
avoiding the strike areas. Rain was unbelievable ; pouring into though the
doors. As for XM Nexrad, there is a delay but it is still useful for
tactical decisions. The XM nexrad will play a loop on the GRTs; with a
little knowledge of the rate of movement and the location it is possible to
circumnavigate the bad stuff.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kelly McMullen
Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 7:08 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: G500
The XM from what I have seen is similar to what you see on weather computer
in FBO, with similar delays. What you get on Stormscope is where electrical
activity exists right now, which normally is where the worst bumps are
located. Radar tells you where rain is right now, but doesn't tell you much
about what is behind the first line of rain.
XM is strategic planning info. Stormscope and radar are tactical tools when
planning or weather behavior isn't as good as you hoped.
On Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 2:43 PM, Bill Mauledriver Watson
<MauleDriver@nc.rr.com> wrote:
> <MauleDriver@nc.rr.com>
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> I've never had the chance to fly with radar or a Stormscope. After
> flying blind for awhile, I started using CheapBastard software on an
> RF Palm (anybody use that hall of fame mashup) and suddenly there was
> light, and I could see around corners. Then the 396 came out and I
> thought I died and went to heaven.
>
> I'll probably never get the chance to fly with radar or a scope but
> won't
> feel limited because I've never been so enabled.
>
> Looking forward to lighting up XM weather on the GRTs.
>
> Patrick, your RV10 avionics journey is heart wrenching. Thanks for
sharing.
> Hope it all comes together in the end.
>
> Bill Watson
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> Patrick Thyssen wrote:
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>> I guess I should correct myself under 135 you have to have the
>> equiptment as per FAR135.173. I think Me now days I'll have both
>> stormscope and XM MY2cents Patrick Thyssen
>>
>> --- On *Wed, 11/18/09, Patrick Thyssen /<jump2@sbcglobal.net>/* wrote:
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>>
>> From: Patrick Thyssen <jump2@sbcglobal.net>
>> Subject: Re: RV10-List: G500
>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>> Date: Wednesday, November 18, 2009, 1:41 PM
>>
>> To go into known weather you have to have onboard radar or
>> lighting dection. Sometime weather on xm doesn't show up as you
>> need or is 15 min. late
>> I have portable xm on my 496 soon to be 696 I hope.Depending on
>> the CFO and what she says. I use it among different aircraft I fly.
>> I have flown with stormscopes for years.
>> Patrick Thyssen
>> --- On *Wed, 11/18/09, Linn Walters /<pitts_pilot@bellsouth.net>/*
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>> From: Linn Walters <pitts_pilot@bellsouth.net>
>> Subject: Re: RV10-List: G500
>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>> Date: Wednesday, November 18, 2009, 1:20 PM
>>
>> <pitts_pilot@bellsouth.net>
>>
>> Patrick, I think you answered your question .... XM weather.
>> The stormscope just can't compete with all the additional info
>> you get from XM weather, and I think Garmin knows that. Can't
>> you port the XM weather to your big screen???
>> Linn
>>
>> Patrick Thyssen wrote:
>> > As some of you know that I'm in the process of rebuilding
>> my instrument panel. Stein has shipped it back to me and I
>> should receive it shortly. I had OP Tech/Aerosonic full
>> intergrated system in my RV10.
>> > We know how that turned out.
>> > So I did the research on the G500 and decided that was what
>> I wanted. So I bought it and will have a pair of 430w's with
>> 330 transponder. Also took out my strike finder for a new
>> WX500 stormscope.
>> > In the G500 install manual they tell you how to wire it up,
>> even though it's not supported yet. Near future they said.
>> Well I called the tech yesterday to find out how they're
>> coming with the sofeware for the WX500. The field engineer
>> said, it was not and if they ever do, it would be a least two yrs.
>> > So here I am, New panel desighned cut painted ready to
>> install shortly no place to put a strikefinder. I'm begining
>> to feel like I'm dealing with OP again.
>> > Now I ask you how many retro aircraft out there that would
>> put this kind of unit in and not have or would want to have a
>> WX500 stormscope in them.
>> > And yes it will display on the 430w with the little screen,
>> but, You buy the big screen so you can see it. We have XM
>> weather on portable due to different planes we fly.
>> > Thats my story
>> > Thanks Garmin
>> >
>> > Patrick Thyssen
>> >
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