---------------------------------------------------------- RV10-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 11/21/09: 32 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 07:44 AM - side baffles side (Pascal) 2. 08:24 AM - Re: side baffles side (Tim Olson) 3. 09:04 AM - Re: side baffles side (Don McDonald) 4. 09:35 AM - Re: side baffles side (Dj Merrill) 5. 09:49 AM - Re: side baffles side (Jesse Saint) 6. 09:49 AM - Re: side baffles side (ricksked@embarqmail.com) 7. 09:49 AM - Re: side baffles side (Jesse Saint) 8. 10:54 AM - Re: side baffles side (Pascal) 9. 11:15 AM - EGT sensor (David McNeill) 10. 12:23 PM - Re: side baffles side (Linn Walters) 11. 01:21 PM - Re: EGT sensor (Jesse Saint) 12. 01:23 PM - Vertical Power plug (Jesse Saint) 13. 01:30 PM - engine mount bolts (Eric_Kallio) 14. 01:51 PM - Re: EFIS backups (marcausman) 15. 02:02 PM - Re: EFIS backups (marcausman) 16. 02:13 PM - Re: engine mount bolts (Bob Turner) 17. 02:25 PM - Re: side baffles side (Kelly McMullen) 18. 02:34 PM - Re: engine mount bolts (Jesse Saint) 19. 02:47 PM - Re: Question about fuel sender float (Kellym) 20. 03:08 PM - Re: Re: Question about fuel sender float (John Trollinger) 21. 03:18 PM - Re: Re: Question about fuel sender float (Pascal) 22. 03:19 PM - Re: Re: Question about fuel sender float (Les Kearney) 23. 03:20 PM - RV10 parts and propeller for sale (LarryMcFarland) 24. 03:20 PM - Odd Firewall Rivet Question (Les Kearney) 25. 03:55 PM - Re: EGT sensor (Thane States) 26. 03:55 PM - Re: EGT sensor (Thane States) 27. 05:22 PM - Re: side baffles side (Don McDonald) 28. 05:47 PM - Re: Vertical Power plug (David Maib) 29. 05:53 PM - Re: EGT sensor (David Maib) 30. 09:27 PM - Re: Re: Question about fuel sender float (John Gonzalez) 31. 09:33 PM - Re: side baffles side (John Gonzalez) 32. 10:18 PM - Re: side baffles side (Don McDonald) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 07:44:20 AM PST US Subject: RV10-List: side baffles side From: Pascal I am leaning toward using a single piece side baffle on both sides versus the 3 piece that comes with the VAN's kit. Any one see any issues with doing so? I know the industry standard is three (one per cylinder)and I gather there is a reason for that (movement of cylinders) so not sure if having a single piece will cause any issues.. Thanks! P ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 08:24:08 AM PST US From: Tim Olson Subject: Re: RV10-List: side baffles side You wouldn't like it if it came time to remove a cylinder. You'd have a LOT more work to do. Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD do not archive Pascal wrote: > > I am leaning toward using a single piece side baffle on both sides > versus the 3 piece that comes with the VAN's kit. Any one see any issues > with doing so? I know the industry standard is three (one per > cylinder)and I gather there is a reason for that (movement of cylinders) > so not sure if having a single piece will cause any issues.. > Thanks! > P > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 09:04:12 AM PST US From: Don McDonald Subject: Re: RV10-List: side baffles side Tim, how is it more work to do,,,,- Only 7 screws holding it on the side, a few in fromt, and a few in back.- And the ones in the front and back a re there no matter how many pieces the baffle is made from....- and also, help me out here.... is removing a cylinder something that I'm going to ha ve to do very often? Thanks, Don McDonald- - --- On Sat, 11/21/09, Tim Olson wrote: From: Tim Olson Subject: Re: RV10-List: side baffles side You wouldn't like it if it came time to remove a cylinder. You'd have a LOT more work to do. Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD do not archive Pascal wrote: > > I am leaning toward using a single piece side baffle on both sides > versus the 3 piece that comes with the VAN's kit. Any one see any issues > with doing so? I know the industry standard is three (one per > cylinder)and I gather there is a reason for that (movement of cylinders) > so not sure if having a single piece will cause any issues.. > Thanks! > P > > le, List Admin. =0A=0A=0A ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 09:35:53 AM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: side baffles side From: Dj Merrill On 11/21/2009 12:02 PM, Don McDonald wrote: > and also, help me out here.... is removing a cylinder something that I'm > going to have to do very often? Depends... -Dj -- Dj Merrill - N1JOV Glastar Sportsman 2+2 Builder #7118 N421DJ - http://deej.net/sportsman/ Grumman Yankee Driver N9870L - http://deej.net/yankee/ ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 09:49:33 AM PST US From: Jesse Saint Subject: Re: RV10-List: side baffles side It's enough work getting the front & back assemblies on as it is without having them tied together. Why add the fabrication work of making it all 1 piece? Do not archive Jesse Saint Saint Aviation jesse@saintaviation.com 352-427-0285 Sent from my iPhone On Nov 21, 2009, at 12:02 PM, Don McDonald wrote: > Tim, how is it more work to do,,,, Only 7 screws holding it on the > side, a few in fromt, and a few in back. And the ones in the front > and back are there no matter how many pieces the baffle is made > from.... and also, help me out here.... is removing a cylinder > something that I'm going to have to do very often? > Thanks, Don McDonald > > > --- On Sat, 11/21/09, Tim Olson wrote: > > From: Tim Olson > Subject: Re: RV10-List: side baffles side > To: rv10-list@matronics.com > Date: Saturday, November 21, 2009, 8:23 AM > > > You wouldn't like it if it came time to remove a cylinder. > You'd have a LOT more work to do. > > Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD > do not archive > > > Pascal wrote: > > > > I am leaning toward using a single piece side baffle on both sides > > versus the 3 piece that comes with the VAN's kit. Any one see any > issues > > with doing so? I know the industry standard is three (one per > > cylinder)and I gather there is a reason for that (movement of > cylinders) > > so not sure if having a single piece will cause any = this > year's Terrific Free Incentive Gifts provided > matronics.com/contribution" href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List > " target=_blank>httpbsp; --> h > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 09:49:35 AM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: side baffles side From: ricksked@embarqmail.com QXMgbXVjaCBhcyB5b3VyIGZseWluZyBEb24uLi4ueWVzLiBZb3VyIGR1ZSBmb3IgYSBjeWxpbmRl ciBjaGFuZ2UgdmVyeSBzb29uLiA6KQ0KU2VudCB2aWEgQmxhY2tCZXJyeSBieSBBVCZUDQoNCi0t LS0tT3JpZ2luYWwgTWVzc2FnZS0tLS0tDQpGcm9tOiBEb24gTWNEb25hbGQgPGJ1aWxkaW5nX3Bh cnRuZXJAeWFob28uY29tPg0KRGF0ZTogU2F0LCAyMSBOb3YgMjAwOSAwOTowMjowMCANClRvOiA8 cnYxMC1saXN0QG1hdHJvbmljcy5jb20+DQpTdWJqZWN0OiBSZTogUlYxMC1MaXN0OiBzaWRlIGJh ZmZsZXMgc2lkZQ0KDQpUaW0sIGhvdyBpcyBpdCBtb3JlIHdvcmsgdG8gZG8sLCwsoCBPbmx5IDcg c2NyZXdzIGhvbGRpbmcgaXQgb24gdGhlIHNpZGUsIGEgZmV3IGluIGZyb210LCBhbmQgYSBmZXcg aW4gYmFjay6gIEFuZCB0aGUgb25lcyBpbiB0aGUgZnJvbnQgYW5kIGJhY2sgYXJlIHRoZXJlIG5v IG1hdHRlciBob3cgbWFueSBwaWVjZXMgdGhlIGJhZmZsZSBpcyBtYWRlIGZyb20uLi4uoCBhbmQg YWxzbywgaGVscCBtZSBvdXQgaGVyZS4uLi4gaXMgcmVtb3ZpbmcgYSBjeWxpbmRlciBzb21ldGhp bmcgdGhhdCBJJ20gZ29pbmcgdG8gaGF2ZSB0byBkbyB2ZXJ5IG9mdGVuPw0KVGhhbmtzLCBEb24g TWNEb25hbGSgDQqgDQoNCg0KLS0tIE9uIFNhdCwgMTEvMjEvMDksIFRpbSBPbHNvbiA8VGltQG15 cnYxMC5jb20+IHdyb3RlOg0KDQoNCkZyb206IFRpbSBPbHNvbiA8VGltQG15cnYxMC5jb20+DQpT dWJqZWN0OiBSZTogUlYxMC1MaXN0OiBzaWRlIGJhZmZsZXMgc2lkZQ0KVG86IHJ2MTAtbGlzdEBt YXRyb25pY3MuY29tDQpEYXRlOiBTYXR1cmRheSwgTm92ZW1iZXIgMjEsIDIwMDksIDg6MjMgQU0N Cg0KDQotLT4gUlYxMC1MaXN0IG1lc3NhZ2UgcG9zdGVkIGJ5OiBUaW0gT2xzb24gPFRpbUBteXJ2 MTAuY29tPg0KDQpZb3Ugd291bGRuJ3QgbGlrZSBpdCBpZiBpdCBjYW1lIHRpbWUgdG8gcmVtb3Zl IGEgY3lsaW5kZXIuDQpZb3UnZCBoYXZlIGEgTE9UIG1vcmUgd29yayB0byBkby4NCg0KVGltIE9s c29uIC0gUlYtMTAgTjEwNENEDQpkbyBub3QgYXJjaGl2ZQ0KDQoNClBhc2NhbCB3cm90ZToNCj4g LS0+IFJWMTAtTGlzdCBtZXNzYWdlIHBvc3RlZCBieTogUGFzY2FsIDxydjEwYnVpbGRlckB2ZXJp em9uLm5ldD4NCj4gDQo+IEkgYW0gbGVhbmluZyB0b3dhcmQgdXNpbmcgYSBzaW5nbGUgcGllY2Ug c2lkZSBiYWZmbGUgb24gYm90aCBzaWRlcw0KPiB2ZXJzdXMgdGhlIDMgcGllY2UgdGhhdCBjb21l cyB3aXRoIHRoZSBWQU4ncyBraXQuIEFueSBvbmUgc2VlIGFueSBpc3N1ZXMNCj4gd2l0aCBkb2lu ZyBzbz8gSSBrbm93IHRoZSBpbmR1c3RyeSBzdGFuZGFyZCBpcyB0aHJlZSAob25lIHBlcg0KPiBj eWxpbmRlcilhbmQgSSBnYXRoZXIgdGhlcmUgaXMgYSByZWFzb24gZm9yIHRoYXQgKG1vdmVtZW50 IG9mIGN5bGluZGVycykNCj4gc28gbm90IHN1cmUgaWYgaGF2aW5nIGEgc2luZ2xlIHBpZWNlIHdp bGwgY2F1c2UgYW55IGlzc3Vlcy4uDQo+IFRoYW5rcyENCj4gUA0KPiANCj4gDQoNCmxlLCBMaXN0 IEFkbWluLg0KDQoNCg0KCgoKDQo ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 09:49:36 AM PST US From: Jesse Saint Subject: Re: RV10-List: side baffles side It's enough work getting the front & back assemblies on as it is without having them tied together. Why add the fabrication work of making it all 1 piece? Do not archive Jesse Saint Saint Aviation jesse@saintaviation.com 352-427-0285 Sent from my iPhone On Nov 21, 2009, at 12:02 PM, Don McDonald wrote: > Tim, how is it more work to do,,,, Only 7 screws holding it on the > side, a few in fromt, and a few in back. And the ones in the front > and back are there no matter how many pieces the baffle is made > from.... and also, help me out here.... is removing a cylinder > something that I'm going to have to do very often? > Thanks, Don McDonald > > > --- On Sat, 11/21/09, Tim Olson wrote: > > From: Tim Olson > Subject: Re: RV10-List: side baffles side > To: rv10-list@matronics.com > Date: Saturday, November 21, 2009, 8:23 AM > > > You wouldn't like it if it came time to remove a cylinder. > You'd have a LOT more work to do. > > Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD > do not archive > > > Pascal wrote: > > > > I am leaning toward using a single piece side baffle on both sides > > versus the 3 piece that comes with the VAN's kit. Any one see any > issues > > with doing so? I know the industry standard is three (one per > > cylinder)and I gather there is a reason for that (movement of > cylinders) > > so not sure if having a single piece will cause any = this > year's Terrific Free Incentive Gifts provided > matronics.com/contribution" href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List > " target=_blank>httpbsp; --> h > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 10:54:12 AM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: side baffles side From: Pascal Thank you for the reply. While I am flying however, would there be any issue with a single sided baffle. I am thinking does the baffle need to move at all, is there a heat expansion issue that having three separate pieces would allow for expansion and contraction, etc.. Thanks! P On Sat, 2009-11-21 at 10:23 -0600, Tim Olson wrote: > > You wouldn't like it if it came time to remove a cylinder. > You'd have a LOT more work to do. > > Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD > do not archive > > > Pascal wrote: > > > > I am leaning toward using a single piece side baffle on both sides > > versus the 3 piece that comes with the VAN's kit. Any one see any issues > > with doing so? I know the industry standard is three (one per > > cylinder)and I gather there is a reason for that (movement of cylinders) > > so not sure if having a single piece will cause any issues.. > > Thanks! > > P > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 11:15:50 AM PST US From: "David McNeill" Subject: RV10-List: EGT sensor I have GRT EIS sensors; sent to GRT "My #4 EGT sensor seems to be failing; temperature is consistently 500 degrees below others and bounces around by about 100 increments every second or so; CHT normal. I ran a ground mag check at 1700 RPM and found the mag drops to be 1630 and 1620, so I am relatively certain that the engine is operating normal but sensor is not. Please advise. Aircraft is now at 210 TT." Anyone else have similar issue? ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 12:23:20 PM PST US From: Linn Walters Subject: Re: RV10-List: side baffles side You'll wind up with three pieces sooner or later anyway. Starting out with three pieces means you get to pick where the cracks go. Linn Pascal wrote: > > I am leaning toward using a single piece side baffle on both sides > versus the 3 piece that comes with the VAN's kit. Any one see any issues > with doing so? I know the industry standard is three (one per > cylinder)and I gather there is a reason for that (movement of cylinders) > so not sure if having a single piece will cause any issues.. > Thanks! > P > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 01:21:07 PM PST US From: Jesse Saint Subject: Re: RV10-List: EGT sensor I don't know a whole lot specifically about the GRT system, but when I see something like that, I assume there is a bad connection somewhere in the system, either a pin making bad contact in the connector at the Engine Monitor, or a bad crimp or spade connection in the FWF area or a bad sensor. Is your CHT running about the same as the others? If so, then it's almost certainly a sensor issue, but not necessarily a bad sensor. I'd check the connections first if the CHT is normal. If both sensors on the same cylinder are off, that may point to some kind of problem with that cylinder, but if just one is off, then I'd go for the sensor or connection. My first guess would be a splice that is making connection part of the time and not making connection part of the time, because of the vibration. Jesse Saint Saint Aviation, Inc. jesse@saintaviation.com Cell: 352-427-0285 Fax: 815-377-3694 On Nov 21, 2009, at 2:13 PM, David McNeill wrote: > I have GRT EIS sensors; > sent to GRT > > "My #4 EGT sensor seems to be failing; temperature is consistently 500 degrees below others and bounces around by about 100 increments every second or so; CHT normal. I ran a ground mag check at 1700 RPM and found the mag drops to be 1630 and 1620, so I am relatively certain that the engine is operating normal but sensor is not. Please advise. Aircraft is now at 210 TT." > > Anyone else have similar issue? > > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 01:23:20 PM PST US From: Jesse Saint Subject: RV10-List: Vertical Power plug For those on the fence, I just wanted to plug Vertical Power. They are adding features as advertised on a regular basis, and the new features are really nice (variable speed trim, wig-wag and auto boost in the newest update). I did find a bug in the newest version of the software with how the VP was interpreting engine data from the Dynon. I sent them the data log as interpreted by the VP and the serial data as received by the VP (all very easily accessible on the VP-200 Display Unit with a thumb drive plugged in) and they had a software update e-mailed to me within 24 hours. BTW, the ability to export logged data as well as an EGT lean function are also new features with the updated software. Very impressive and very easy to deal with. I can extract the logged data from the Dynon with a computer hooked up to the serial connector (with a USB to Serial converter), but the ease of access by just plugging in a thumb drive while flying is much nicer. Great people to deal with and very nice equipment to fly behind. In case you're wondering, I do not stand to gain by this plug, just really appreciate great customer service and wanted to share. Jesse Saint Saint Aviation, Inc. jesse@saintaviation.com Cell: 352-427-0285 Fax: 815-377-3694 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 01:30:04 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: engine mount bolts From: "Eric_Kallio" Since Vans has decided not to include the engine mounts in my FWF kit am I going to have to order the bolts separately as well? I Ordered Lord mounts through my local FBO/repair station but I don't see the AN 7-26 bolts anywhere on the parts list for the FWF kit. My assumption is Vans would have sent the bolts with the mounts and now I have get them on my own. Is this correct? Eric Kallio 40518 Awaiting engine delivery. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=274129#274129 ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 01:51:32 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: EFIS backups From: "marcausman" On my all-electric airplane, I replace the main battery and EFIS backup battery every two years to make sure they are always in top condition. YMMV. [quote="Phil.Perry(at)netapp.com"]Just thought about this. How often do the batteries in the Dynons need to be replaced and are they something you could buy locally or would you have to go back to the Dynon for them? Phil From: MARCUS COOPER [mailto:coop85@verizon.net] Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 8:07 PM To: rv10-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: EFIS backups I have the Grand Rapids display for my primary and the Dynon D10A for the backup. As mentioned I really like the idea of a 2 hour backup battery and I also carry a Garmin 496 as my backup nav, although mostly for the XM wx and radio. In the event of total electrical failure I can still aviate and navigate without the expense and hassle of the gyros. I've been very pleased so far with lots of IFR travels. Marcus --- On Wed, 11/11/09, davidsoutpost@comcast.net wrote: do not archive > > > From: davidsoutpost@comcast.net > Subject: Re: EFIS backups > To: rv10-list@matronics.com > Date: Wednesday, November 11, 2009, 8:02 PM > Thats my plan,,,,,, with its own back-up battery power. Thats a lot cheaper and lighter than a six pack. > > Dave Clifford > > > --- -------- Marc Ausman http://www.verticalpower.com "Move up to a modern electrical system" RV-7 IO-390 Flying Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=274131#274131 ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 02:02:24 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: EFIS backups From: "marcausman" Jeff, just to clarify, are you assuming the alternator will provide power if the battery goes off-line? I don't know your specifics, but the most common voltage regulators require a battery to be connected to "stabilize" the voltage. If your battery wire comes loose, for example, the voltage will likely start to quickly destabilize until the the over-voltage protection disables the alternator. Then you're left with just the EFIS backup battery. The caveat is that each of us has a unique airplane so your results may be different depending on the components you are using. jeff(at)westcottpress.com wrote: > I like the notion that the presentation and > operation of the two units is the same, and that would leave me with 4 > independent sources of power (alternator, battery and the two battery > packs), but common firmware. ." > > Jeff Carpenter > 40304 -------- Marc Ausman http://www.verticalpower.com "Move up to a modern electrical system" RV-7 IO-390 Flying Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=274132#274132 ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 02:13:56 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: engine mount bolts From: "Bob Turner" I need to check on the bolts. However, Vans is sending Lord mounts, now, with FWF kits (at $200 extra cost, but still competitive with Chief, etc.). -------- Bob Turner RV-10 QB Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=274134#274134 ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 02:25:26 PM PST US From: Kelly McMullen Subject: Re: RV10-List: side baffles side IIRC, TCM lifters come out without splitting the case, however if the cam is damaged the engine will have to come out entirely to send back to TCM for repair. On new Lycoming engines you should not have any cam or lifter distress with the roller cam, but if you do, it is still pull the engine and tear it down, not a cylinder removal. Only ring, piston, valve, and piston pin plug problems are likely to cause a cylinder removal by itself. Dj Merrill wrote: > > On 11/21/2009 12:02 PM, Don McDonald wrote: >> and also, help me out here.... is removing a cylinder something that I'm >> going to have to do very often? > > Depends... > > > -Dj > ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 02:34:53 PM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: engine mount bolts From: Jesse Saint I just received a FWF kit recently and it did include the bolt kit (it's a bag with the hardware in it, not the bolts individually). Jesse Saint Saint Aviation, Inc. jesse@saintaviation.com Cell: 352-427-0285 Fax: 815-377-3694 On Nov 21, 2009, at 4:28 PM, Eric_Kallio wrote: > > Since Vans has decided not to include the engine mounts in my FWF kit am I going to have to order the bolts separately as well? I Ordered Lord mounts through my local FBO/repair station but I don't see the AN 7-26 bolts anywhere on the parts list for the FWF kit. My assumption is Vans would have sent the bolts with the mounts and now I have get them on my own. Is this correct? > > Eric Kallio > 40518 Awaiting engine delivery. > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=274129#274129 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 02:47:07 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: Question about fuel sender float From: "Kellym" Seems like this is a common gotcha, because Van's plans don't show the second bend, and the SW instructions aren't the greatest either. Does Vans sell the arms or do you need to go to SW? Kelly bwestfall wrote: > Bob dont worry the new arms are cheap like a buck or two. Ask me how I know. Of course shipping and waiting for them isnt. > > -Ben > > > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Gonzalez > Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2008 6:03 AM > To: RV 10 group > Subject: RE: Question about fuel sender float > > > Ditto, the direction where not very clear and this is critical. > > > > > > > > > href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/chref="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List > > href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > > > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3716 (20081224) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3716 (20081224) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. -------- Kelly McMullen A&P/IA, EAA Tech Counselor # 5286 KCHD Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=274144#274144 ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 03:08:28 PM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Question about fuel sender float From: John Trollinger SW sent me a free one when I miss bent mine, but they sent the wrong float so I just bought the shepherds hook from aircraft spruce for like $5 John On Sat, Nov 21, 2009 at 5:46 PM, Kellym wrote: > > Seems like this is a common gotcha, because Van's plans don't show the > second bend, and the SW instructions aren't the greatest either. > Does Vans sell the arms or do you need to go to SW? > Kelly > > bwestfall wrote: > > Bob don=92t worry the new arms are cheap=85 like a buck or two. Ask me how I > know. Of course shipping and waiting for them isn=92t. > > > > -Ben > > > > > > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto: > owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Gonzalez > > Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2008 6:03 AM > > To: RV 10 group > > Subject: RE: Question about fuel sender float > > > > > > Ditto, the direction where not very clear and this is critical. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution"> > http://www.matronics.com/chref=" > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List"> > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List > > > href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > > > > > > > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus > signature database 3716 (20081224) __________ > > > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > > > > > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus > signature database 3716 (20081224) __________ > > > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > > -------- > Kelly McMullen > A&P/IA, EAA Tech Counselor # 5286 > KCHD > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=274144#274144 > > =========== =========== =========== =========== > > ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 03:18:08 PM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Question about fuel sender float From: Pascal I needed to go to SW for the arm, Vans would only sell me the complete set. Poor instructions for sure- think it's one of Tim's Gotcha's, if it isnt, it should be, as many had this issue with the arm. I was lucky as I got someone who cared at SW and they shipped me the arms the same day and it was pretty cheeap, speaking spanish helps alot BTW ;-) they are a couple of dollars, it is more for shipping than the parts. Pascal On Sat, 2009-11-21 at 14:46 -0800, Kellym wrote: > > Seems like this is a common gotcha, because Van's plans don't show the second bend, and the SW instructions aren't the greatest either. > Does Vans sell the arms or do you need to go to SW? > Kelly > > bwestfall wrote: > > Bob dont worry the new arms are cheap like a buck or two. Ask me how I know. Of course shipping and waiting for them isnt. > > > > -Ben > > > > > > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Gonzalez > > Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2008 6:03 AM > > To: RV 10 group > > Subject: RE: Question about fuel sender float > > > > > > Ditto, the direction where not very clear and this is critical. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/chref="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List > > > href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > > > > > > > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3716 (20081224) __________ > > > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > > > > > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3716 (20081224) __________ > > > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > > -------- > Kelly McMullen > A&P/IA, EAA Tech Counselor # 5286 > KCHD > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=274144#274144 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 03:19:44 PM PST US From: "Les Kearney" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Question about fuel sender float Hi Kelly Vans sells replacement float arms as part "IE F-385 FLOAT ARM" for $5 bucks each. Of course I only know this because I am psychic. Cheers Les #40643 -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kellym Sent: November-21-09 3:46 PM Subject: RV10-List: Re: Question about fuel sender float Seems like this is a common gotcha, because Van's plans don't show the second bend, and the SW instructions aren't the greatest either. Does Vans sell the arms or do you need to go to SW? Kelly bwestfall wrote: > Bob dont worry the new arms are cheap like a buck or two. Ask me how I know. Of course shipping and waiting for them isnt. > > -Ben > > > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Gonzalez > Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2008 6:03 AM > To: RV 10 group > Subject: RE: Question about fuel sender float > > > Ditto, the direction where not very clear and this is critical. > > > > > > > > > href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/chref="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List > > href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > > > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3716 (20081224) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3716 (20081224) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. -------- Kelly McMullen A&P/IA, EAA Tech Counselor # 5286 KCHD Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=274144#274144 ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 03:20:19 PM PST US From: LarryMcFarland Subject: RV10-List: RV10 parts and propeller for sale Hi guys, Ive been asked to post a page to support the sale of two sets of parts donated to EAA Chapter 75 for two persons that have gone west. One was building an RV10 and the other had a controllable variable pitch. propeller. Either is a bargain for the person in need of them. More specific information is on a page at the following link. www.macsmachine.com/html/itemsforsale.htm Id not post these, but when people pass, we do what we can to help. Thank you for your understanding. Larry McFarland 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com N601EZ and a Zenith group subscriber do not archive ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 03:20:22 PM PST US From: "Les Kearney" Subject: RV10-List: Odd Firewall Rivet Question Hi Ages ago, when I completed section 27 - Firewall, I left 4 rivets open that did not show on the plans. Just inboard of the engine mount bolt holes on the WD-1002 / 1003 L&R engine mounts there is a #30 hole. This hole is found in both the firewall and on the engine mounts. Strangely, this "extra" hole is shown on the WD-1002-R-PC on page 27-2 (fig 2) of Rev 0 of the plans. It does not appear anywhere else in the plans (that I can find). The rivet call outs on page 27-5 does not reference this hole nor is an AN426-AD4-5 rivet, the longest callout in the plans, long enough to fill the hole. Before I fill these four holes with a longer rivet, can anyone tell me what their plans indicate? Inquiring minds need to know. Cheers Les #40643 ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 03:55:20 PM PST US From: "Thane States" Subject: Re: RV10-List: EGT sensor I had one fail new right out of the box. Do a continuity check and see if you have a bad lead. Mine had a bad lead inside the connector. Sent it back for replacement!! Thane 321BY ----- Original Message ----- From: David McNeill To: rv10-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday, November 21, 2009 2:13 PM Subject: RV10-List: EGT sensor I have GRT EIS sensors; sent to GRT "My #4 EGT sensor seems to be failing; temperature is consistently 500 degrees below others and bounces around by about 100 increments every second or so; CHT normal. I ran a ground mag check at 1700 RPM and found the mag drops to be 1630 and 1620, so I am relatively certain that the engine is operating normal but sensor is not. Please advise. Aircraft is now at 210 TT." Anyone else have similar issue? ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 03:55:20 PM PST US From: "Thane States" Subject: Re: RV10-List: EGT sensor I had one fail new right out of the box. Do a continuity check and see if you have a bad lead. Mine had a bad lead inside the connector. Sent it back for replacement!! Thane 321BY ----- Original Message ----- From: David McNeill To: rv10-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday, November 21, 2009 2:13 PM Subject: RV10-List: EGT sensor I have GRT EIS sensors; sent to GRT "My #4 EGT sensor seems to be failing; temperature is consistently 500 degrees below others and bounces around by about 100 increments every second or so; CHT normal. I ran a ground mag check at 1700 RPM and found the mag drops to be 1630 and 1620, so I am relatively certain that the engine is operating normal but sensor is not. Please advise. Aircraft is now at 210 TT." Anyone else have similar issue? ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 05:22:24 PM PST US From: Don McDonald Subject: Re: RV10-List: side baffles side Jesse, because I built a plenum, I also built the side panels so I could si mply screw/bolt the plenim directly to the top of the side baffles.- It's all on cadcam and we just run it out to the shop where it gets punched out just like Van's does... then over to the brake to put a 90 degree 3/4" lip on the top....- so it's already-setup.... I'm going to make Pascal a s et, and he/we were just trying to find out if there were any additional iss ues.-- Linn, as to your statement about them ending up in 3 pieces anyway.... I us e a floating system-whereas the screws tighten down on stainless shims, t hicker than the baffles, thereby letting the aluminum baffle float.- So f ar 90 hours, no issues.- Thanks guys, Don --- On Sat, 11/21/09, Jesse Saint wrote: From: Jesse Saint Subject: Re: RV10-List: side baffles side It's enough work getting the front & back assemblies on as it is without ha ving them tied together. -Why add the fabrication work of making it all 1 piece? Do not archive Jesse Saint Saint Aviation jesse@saintaviation.com 352-427-0285 Sent from my iPhone On Nov 21, 2009, at 12:02 PM, Don McDonald wro te: Tim, how is it more work to do,,,,- Only 7 screws holding it on the side, a few in fromt, and a few in back.- And the ones in the front and back a re there no matter how many pieces the baffle is made from....- and also, help me out here.... is removing a cylinder something that I'm going to ha ve to do very often? Thanks, Don McDonald- - --- On Sat, 11/21/09, Tim Olson wrote: From: Tim Olson Subject: Re: RV10-List: side baffles side You wouldn't like it if it came time to remove a cylinder. You'd have a LOT more work to do. Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD do not archive Pascal wrote: > > I am leaning toward using a single piece side baffle on both sides > versus the 3 piece that comes with the VAN's kit. Any one see any issues > with doing so? I know the industry standard is three (one per > cylinder)and I gather there is a reason for that (movement of cylinders) > so not sure if having a single piece will cause any =---this year 's Terrific Free Incentive Gifts provided matronics.com/contribution" - - - - - - - - - - - hre f="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List" target=_blank>httpbsp; ---> h href="http://www.aeroelectric.com">www.aeroelectric.com href="http://www.buildersbooks.com">www.buildersbooks.com href="http://www.homebuilthelp.com">www.homebuilthelp.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/con tribution href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List">http://www.matronics .com/Navigator?RV10-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com =0A=0A=0A ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 05:47:01 PM PST US From: David Maib Subject: Re: RV10-List: Vertical Power plug I will echo Jesse's comments on Vertical Power. I have been flying my airplane for a year now and absolutely love my Vertical Power 200 Duo. All of the functions Jesse talks about and great customer service. I also have the Vertical Power Climate Control System and it works great, as well. I have no connection to Vertical Power other than being a very satisfied customer. David Maib 40559 flying On Nov 21, 2009, at 4:21 PM, Jesse Saint wrote: For those on the fence, I just wanted to plug Vertical Power. They are adding features as advertised on a regular basis, and the new features are really nice (variable speed trim, wig-wag and auto boost in the newest update). I did find a bug in the newest version of the software with how the VP was interpreting engine data from the Dynon. I sent them the data log as interpreted by the VP and the serial data as received by the VP (all very easily accessible on the VP-200 Display Unit with a thumb drive plugged in) and they had a software update e-mailed to me within 24 hours. BTW, the ability to export logged data as well as an EGT lean function are also new features with the updated software. Very impressive and very easy to deal with. I can extract the logged data from the Dynon with a computer hooked up to the serial connector (with a USB to Serial converter), but the ease of access by just plugging in a thumb drive while flying is much nicer. Great people to deal with and very nice equipment to fly behind. In case you're wondering, I do not stand to gain by this plug, just really appreciate great customer service and wanted to share. Jesse Saint Saint Aviation, Inc. jesse@saintaviation.com Cell: 352-427-0285 Fax: 815-377-3694 ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 05:53:12 PM PST US From: David Maib Subject: Re: RV10-List: EGT sensor I had been seeing similar variations on my fuel pressure readout. I called Sandy at GRT while doing my Condition Inspection and she seemed pretty positive that my fuel pressure sender was the likely culprit. She sent me a new one, I installed it, and the fuel pressure indication is now rock solid. She mentioned that some operators seem to get a pretty short life out of the fuel senders, (Mine had 163.5 hours on it) and some operators don't have problems. Mine is mounted on the firewall in the stock Van's location. Excellent customer service from GRT! David Maib 40559 flying On Nov 21, 2009, at 2:13 PM, David McNeill wrote: I have GRT EIS sensors; sent to GRT "My #4 EGT sensor seems to be failing; temperature is consistently 500 degrees below others and bounces around by about 100 increments every second or so; CHT normal. I ran a ground mag check at 1700 RPM and found the mag drops to be 1630 and 1620, so I am relatively certain that the engine is operating normal but sensor is not. Please advise. Aircraft is now at 210 TT." Anyone else have similar issue? ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 09:27:33 PM PST US From: John Gonzalez Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Question about fuel sender float I knew it too. JOhn > From: kearney@shaw.ca > To: rv10-list@matronics.com > Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Question about fuel sender float > Date: Sat=2C 21 Nov 2009 16:05:39 -0700 > > > > Hi Kelly > > Vans sells replacement float arms as part "IE F-385 FLOAT ARM" for $5 buc ks each. > > Of course I only know this because I am psychic. > > Cheers > > Les > #40643 > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server @matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kellym > Sent: November-21-09 3:46 PM > To: rv10-list@matronics.com > Subject: RV10-List: Re: Question about fuel sender float > > > Seems like this is a common gotcha=2C because Van's plans don't show the second bend=2C and the SW instructions aren't the greatest either. > Does Vans sell the arms or do you need to go to SW? > Kelly > > bwestfall wrote: > > Bob don=99t worry the new arms are cheap like a buck or two. Ask me how I know. Of course shipping and waiting for them isn =99t. > > > > -Ben > > > > > > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-serv er@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Gonzalez > > Sent: Wednesday=2C December 24=2C 2008 6:03 AM > > To: RV 10 group > > Subject: RE: Question about fuel sender float > > > > > > Ditto=2C the direction where not very clear and this is critical. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.c om/chref="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List">http://www.matron ics.com/Navigator?RV10-List > > > href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > > > > > > > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus=2C version of virus si gnature database 3716 (20081224) __________ > > > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > > > > > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus=2C version of virus si gnature database 3716 (20081224) __________ > > > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > > -------- > Kelly McMullen > A&=3BP/IA=2C EAA Tech Counselor # 5286 > KCHD > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=274144#274144 > > > > > > > > > > > > =========== =========== =========== =========== > > > ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 09:33:57 PM PST US From: John Gonzalez Subject: RE: RV10-List: side baffles side With an engine that pretty=2C how do you justify a cowling. John From: building_partner@yahoo.com Subject: Re: RV10-List: side baffles side Jesse=2C because I built a plenum=2C I also built the side panels so I coul d simply screw/bolt the plenim directly to the top of the side baffles. It 's all on cadcam and we just run it out to the shop where it gets punched o ut just like Van's does... then over to the brake to put a 90 degree 3/4" l ip on the top.... so it's already setup.... I'm going to make Pascal a set =2C and he/we were just trying to find out if there were any additional iss ues. Linn=2C as to your statement about them ending up in 3 pieces anyway.... I use a floating system whereas the screws tighten down on stainless shims=2C thicker than the baffles=2C thereby letting the aluminum baffle float. So far 90 hours=2C no issues. Thanks guys=2C Don --- On Sat=2C 11/21/09=2C Jesse Saint wrote: From: Jesse Saint Subject: Re: RV10-List: side baffles side It's enough work getting the front & back assemblies on as it is without ha ving them tied together. Why add the fabrication work of making it all 1 p iece? Do not archive Jesse Saint Saint Aviation jesse@saintaviation.com 352-427-0285 Sent from my iPhone On Nov 21=2C 2009=2C at 12:02 PM=2C Don McDonald wrote: Tim=2C how is it more work to do=2C=2C=2C=2C Only 7 screws holding it on t he side=2C a few in fromt=2C and a few in back. And the ones in the front and back are there no matter how many pieces the baffle is made from.... a nd also=2C help me out here.... is removing a cylinder something that I'm g oing to have to do very often? Thanks=2C Don McDonald --- On Sat=2C 11/21/09=2C Tim Olson wrote: From: Tim Olson Subject: Re: RV10-List: side baffles side You wouldn't like it if it came time to remove a cylinder. You'd have a LOT more work to do. Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD do not archive Pascal wrote: > > I am leaning toward using a single piece side baffle on both sides > versus the 3 piece that comes with the VAN's kit. Any one see any issues > with doing so? I know the industry standard is three (one per > cylinder)and I gather there is a reason for that (movement of cylinders) > so not sure if having a single piece will cause any = this year's Ter rific Free Incentive Gifts provided matronics.com/contribution" href="http://www.matron ics.com/Navigator?RV10-List" target=_blank>httpbsp=3B --> h href="http://www.aeroelectric.com">www.aeroelectric.com href="http://www.buildersbooks.com">www.buildersbooks.com href="http://www.homebuilthelp.com">www.homebuilthelp.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/con tribution href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List">http://www.matronics .com/Navigator?RV10-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com _blank rel=nofollow>www.aeroelectric.com /" target=_blank rel=nofollow>www.buildersbooks.com =_blank rel=nofollow>www.homebuilthelp.com blank rel=nofollow>http://www.matronics.com/contribution get=_blank rel=nofollow>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List =nofollow>http://forums.matronics.com ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 10:18:09 PM PST US From: Don McDonald Subject: RE: RV10-List: side baffles side Thanks John, tried it without, but it doesn't cool very well! --- On Sat, 11/21/09, John Gonzalez wrote: From: John Gonzalez Subject: RE: RV10-List: side baffles side With an engine that pretty, how-do you justify a cowling. - John - From: building_partner@yahoo.com Subject: Re: RV10-List: side baffles side Jesse, because I built a plenum, I also built the side panels so I could si mply screw/bolt the plenim directly to the top of the side baffles.- It's all on cadcam and we just run it out to the shop where it gets punched out just like Van's does... then over to the brake to put a 90 degree 3/4" lip on the top....- so it's already-setup.... I'm going to make Pascal a s et, and he/we were just trying to find out if there were any additional iss ues.-- Linn, as to your statement about them ending up in 3 pieces anyway.... I us e a floating system-whereas the screws tighten down on stainless shims, t hicker than the baffles, thereby letting the aluminum baffle float.- So f ar 90 hours, no issues.- Thanks guys, Don --- On Sat, 11/21/09, Jesse Saint wrote: From: Jesse Saint Subject: Re: RV10-List: side baffles side It's enough work getting the front & back assemblies on as it is without ha ving them tied together. -Why add the fabrication work of making it all 1 piece? Do not archive Jesse Saint Saint Aviation jesse@saintaviation.com 352-427-0285 Sent from my iPhone On Nov 21, 2009, at 12:02 PM, Don McDonald wro te: Tim, how is it more work to do,,,,- Only 7 screws holding it on the side, a few in fromt, and a few in back.- And the ones in the front and back a re there no matter how many pieces the baffle is made from....- and also, help me out here.... is removing a cylinder something that I'm going to ha ve to do very often? Thanks, Don McDonald- - --- On Sat, 11/21/09, Tim Olson wrote: From: Tim Olson Subject: Re: RV10-List: side baffles side You wouldn't like it if it came time to remove a cylinder. You'd have a LOT more work to do. Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD do not archive Pascal wrote: > > I am leaning toward using a single piece side baffle on both sides > versus the 3 piece that comes with the VAN's kit. Any one see any issues > with doing so? 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