RV10-List Digest Archive

Sun 11/22/09


Total Messages Posted: 25



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     0. 12:09 AM - Make Sure You're Listed! List of Contributors Published in December! (Matt Dralle)
     1. 01:39 AM - Re: EGT sensor (Werner Schneider)
     2. 04:29 AM - Re: side baffles side (Linn Walters)
     3. 09:40 AM - Get busy (ricksked@embarqmail.com)
     4. 09:49 AM - Re: Tips on removal of front window and lessons learned (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
     5. 09:49 AM - Re: side baffles side (Don McDonald)
     6. 10:20 AM - Re: Get busy (Don McDonald)
     7. 10:23 AM - Re: Tips on removal of front window and lessons learned (Perry, Phil)
     8. 10:40 AM - Re: EGT sensor (David McNeill)
     9. 12:29 PM - Re: Odd Firewall Rivet Question (Rob Kochman)
    10. 12:43 PM - Re: Tips on removal of front window and lessons learned (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
    11. 12:49 PM - Exterior Paint - Alodine first? (n277dl)
    12. 12:56 PM - Re: Exterior Paint - Alodine first? (Miller John)
    13. 02:34 PM - Re: Exterior Paint - Alodine first? (ricksked@embarqmail.com)
    14. 02:42 PM - Re: Exterior Paint - Alodine first? (ricksked@embarqmail.com)
    15. 03:50 PM - control stick wiring (Chris Hukill)
    16. 05:14 PM - Re: control stick wiring (Dick & Vicki Sipp)
    17. 06:50 PM - inner tubes (Miller John)
    18. 07:18 PM - Re: inner tubes (Don McDonald)
    19. 08:08 PM - Landing lights (Strasnuts)
    20. 08:25 PM - Re: Landing lights (Tim Olson)
    21. 08:34 PM - Re: Landing lights (Strasnuts)
    22. 09:10 PM - Re: Landing lights (Strasnuts)
    23. 09:11 PM - Re: Re: Landing lights (Tim Olson)
    24. 10:33 PM - Re: Re: Landing lights (Robin Marks)
 
 
 


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    Time: 12:09:39 AM PST US
    From: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
    Subject: Make Sure You're Listed! List of Contributors Published in
    December! Dear Listers, The List of Contributors (LOC) is just around the corner! In December I post a list of everyone that so generously made a Contribution to support the Lists. Its my way of publicly thanking everyone that took a minute to show their appreciation for the Lists. Won't you take minute and assure that your name is on the upcoming LOC? Tell others that you appreciate the Lists. Making a Contribution to support the Lists is fast and easy using your Visa, MasterCard, or Paypal account: http://www.matronics.com/contribution Or, by dropping a personal check in the mail to: Matronics / Matt Dralle PO Box 347 Livermore CA 94551-0347 USA (Please include your email address on the check!) I would like to thank everyone that has so generously made a Contribution thus far during this year's List Fund Raiser! Remember that its YOUR support that keeps these Lists running and improving! Don't forget to include a little comment about how the Lists have helped you! Thank you! Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Administrator


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    Time: 01:39:16 AM PST US
    From: Werner Schneider <glastar@gmx.net>
    Subject: Re: EGT sensor
    I had something similar and already bought other sensors it finally came to the point, that the pins in the db25 were not seated right. Check after shutdown by fumbling on all connectors from the sensor towards the plug into the instrument to find out. Werner > > On Nov 21, 2009, at 2:13 PM, David McNeill wrote: > >> I have GRT EIS sensors; >> sent to GRT >> >> "My #4 EGT sensor seems to be failing; temperature is consistently >> 500 degrees below others and bounces around by about 100 increments >> every second or so; CHT normal. I ran a ground mag check at 1700 >> RPM and found the mag drops to be 1630 and 1620, so I am relatively >> certain that the engine is operating normal but sensor is not. Please >> advise. Aircraft is now at 210 TT." >> >> Anyone else have similar issue? > * > *


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    Time: 04:29:01 AM PST US
    From: Linn Walters <pitts_pilot@bellsouth.net>
    Subject: Re: side baffles side
    Well, I was hoping to avoid admitting that I 'had a better idea' when I rebuilt my baffles on my Pitts. I didn't want to rivet the plates that capture the adjacent part .... so did it in one piece. I bolted the single part on .... and about 1 year on the new part .... it started to crack. Stop-drilled the crack didn't keep it from migrating. Over about 4 years .... I had 6 pieces .... with the capture plates riveted on. When I got cracking from the mounting holes I rebuilt with 3 pieces. Maybe having them float would have prevented the cracking. Linn Don McDonald wrote: > Jesse, because I built a plenum, I also built the side panels so I could > simply screw/bolt the plenim directly to the top of the side baffles. > It's all on cadcam and we just run it out to the shop where it gets > punched out just like Van's does... then over to the brake to put a 90 > degree 3/4" lip on the top.... so it's already setup.... I'm going to > make Pascal a set, and he/we were just trying to find out if there were > any additional issues. > Linn, as to your statement about them ending up in 3 pieces anyway.... I > use a floating system whereas the screws tighten down on stainless > shims, thicker than the baffles, thereby letting the aluminum baffle > float. So far 90 hours, no issues. > Thanks guys, Don


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    Time: 09:40:16 AM PST US
    Subject: Get busy
    From: ricksked@embarqmail.com
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    Time: 09:49:25 AM PST US
    From: "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)" <rvbuilder@sausen.net>
    Subject: Tips on removal of front window and lessons learned
    The fine tooth blade is the proper blade to use for this. I used a Fein on all the windows including the windscreen with no problems. Michael -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Mauledriver Watson Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2009 5:23 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Tips on removal of front window and lessons learned 2 questions of academic interest only - what multimaster blade did you use - a fine tooth saw type or the tile cutter type of abrasive blade? - I've never found the Vans supplies cutoff wheels - where are they? Curious Bill do not archive Jeff Carpenter wrote: > > I used the Multimaster on the first window I tried to trim and it > snapped in half. I strongly suggest that you use the cut off wheels > that Vans provided to make the initial trim on the window and sand it > down for the final fit. > > Jeff Carpenter > 40304 > You'd think I've redone all my windows at this point... but so far, > only two. > >


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    Time: 09:49:26 AM PST US
    From: Don McDonald <building_partner@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Re: side baffles side
    Thanks Linn for the input.... that's what Pascal and I were looking for.... - I am hoping that by being able to float on the screws, it will avoid th e cracking issue. - Don McDonald - Flying, and lovin it. --- On Sun, 11/22/09, Linn Walters <pitts_pilot@bellsouth.net> wrote: From: Linn Walters <pitts_pilot@bellsouth.net> Subject: Re: RV10-List: side baffles side Well, I was hoping to avoid admitting that I 'had a better idea' when I reb uilt my baffles on my Pitts.- I didn't want to rivet the plates that capt ure the adjacent part .... so did it in one piece.- I bolted the single p art on .... and about 1 year on the new part .... it started to crack.- S top-drilled the crack didn't keep it from migrating.- Over about 4 years .... I had 6 pieces .... with the capture plates riveted on. When I got cra cking from the mounting holes I rebuilt with 3 pieces.- Maybe having them float would have prevented the cracking. Linn Don McDonald wrote: > Jesse, because I built a plenum, I also built the side panels so I could simply screw/bolt the plenim directly to the top of the side baffles.- It 's all on cadcam and we just run it out to the shop where it gets punched o ut just like Van's does... then over to the brake to put a 90 degree 3/4" l ip on the top....- so it's already setup.... I'm going to make Pascal a s et, and he/we were just trying to find out if there were any additional iss ues.- Linn, as to your statement about them ending up in 3 pieces anyway. ... I use a floating system whereas the screws tighten down on stainless sh ims, thicker than the baffles, thereby letting the aluminum baffle float. - So far 90 hours, no issues. Thanks guys, Don le, List Admin. =0A=0A=0A


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    Time: 10:20:31 AM PST US
    From: Don McDonald <building_partner@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Re: Get busy
    I knew when we met=C2-there was something different about you....=C2- u p here, we FLY to lunch! Don --- On Sun, 11/22/09, ricksked@embarqmail.com <ricksked@embarqmail.com> wro te: From: ricksked@embarqmail.com <ricksked@embarqmail.com> Subject: RV10-List: Get busy For you guys still in the shop here's some inspiration Bob and I at 0730 pu lled her out of the hangar....60 degrees, winds light and variable....two v ery nice ILS approaches and four touch and goes followed by a squeaker befo re pushing back into the hangar..fuel burned...11 gallons...now it's off to lunch!! The RV-10 is a beautiful airplane!! Rick Sked N246RS Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T From: John Gonzalez <indigoonlatigo@msn.com> Subject: RE: RV10-List: side baffles side With an engine that pretty=2C how=C2-=3Bdo you justify a cowling. =C2-=3B John =C2-=3B From: building_partner@yahoo.com= Subject: Re: RV10-List: side baffles side Jesse=2C because I built a plenum=2C I also built the side panels so I = could simply screw/bolt the plenim directly to the top of the side baff les= .=C2-=3B It's all on cadcam and we just run it out to the shop w here it ge= ts punched out just like Van's does... then over to the brake to put a 90 d= egree 3/4" lip on the top....=C2-=3B so it's already =C2-=3Bsetup.... I'm = going to make Pascal a set=2C and he/we were just trying to find out if the= re were any additional issues.=C2-=3 B=C2-=3B Linn=2C as to your statement about them ending up in 3 pieces anyway..= .. I use a floating system=C2-=3Bwhereas the screws tighten down on st ainl= ess shims=2C thicker than the baffles=2C thereby letting the al uminum baffl= e float.=C2-=3B So far 90 hours=2C no issues.=C2- =3B Thanks guys=2C Don --- On Sat=2C 11/21/09=2C Jesse Saint = <=3Bjesse@saintaviation.com >=3B wrote: From: Jesse Saint <=3Bjesse@saintaviati= on.com>=3B Subject: Re: RV10-List: side baffles side It's enough work getting the front &=3B back assemblies on as it is= wi thout having them tied together. =C2-=3BWhy add the fabrication work of = making it all 1 piece? Do not archive Jesse Saint Saint Aviation jesse@saintaviation.com 352-427-0285 Sent from my iPhone On Nov 21=2C 2009=2C at 12:02 PM=2C Don McDonald <=3Bbuilding_partn er@yahoo.com>=3B wrote: Tim=2C how is it more work to do=2C=2C=2C=2C=C2-=3B Only 7 sc rews hol= ding it on the side=2C a few in fromt=2C and a few in back. =C2-=3B And the= ones in the front and back are there no matter how m any pieces the baffle = is made from....=C2-=3B and also=2C help me out here.... is removing a cyl= inder something that I'm going to have t o do very often? Thanks=2C Don McDonald=C2-=3B =C2-=3B --- On Sat=2C 11/21/09=2C Tim Olson <=3B= Tim@myrv10.com>=3B wrot e: From: Tim Olson <=3BTim@m= yrv10.com>=3B Subject: Re: RV10-List: side baffles side 9=2C 8:23 AM -->=3B RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson &= lt=3BTim@myrv10.com> =3B You w= ouldn't like it if it came time to remove a cylinder. You'd have a LOT m= ore work to do. 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    Time: 10:23:55 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Tips on removal of front window and lessons learned
    From: "Perry, Phil" <Phil.Perry@netapp.com>
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    Time: 10:40:49 AM PST US
    From: "David McNeill" <dlm46007@cox.net>
    Subject: EGT sensor
    I checked the 10 again today and found that #4 had a bad crimp on the sensor side, as supplied. After fixing that, I again performed the heat gun test as I did when installing originally. All but #4 showed a heat rise on the EIS. I have concluded I have a failed probe. _____ From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Thane States Sent: Saturday, November 21, 2009 4:50 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: EGT sensor I had one fail new right out of the box. Do a continuity check and see if you have a bad lead. Mine had a bad lead inside the connector. Sent it back for replacement!! Thane 321BY ----- Original Message ----- From: David McNeill <mailto:dlm46007@cox.net> Sent: Saturday, November 21, 2009 2:13 PM Subject: RV10-List: EGT sensor I have GRT EIS sensors; sent to GRT "My #4 EGT sensor seems to be failing; temperature is consistently 500 degrees below others and bounces around by about 100 increments every second or so; CHT normal. I ran a ground mag check at 1700 RPM and found the mag drops to be 1630 and 1620, so I am relatively certain that the engine is operating normal but sensor is not. Please advise. Aircraft is now at 210 TT." Anyone else have similar issue? href="http://www.aeroelectric.com">www.aeroelectric.com href="http://www.buildersbooks.com">www.buildersbooks.com href="http://www.homebuilthelp.com">www.homebuilthelp.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/chref "http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navi gator?RV10-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com


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    Time: 12:29:18 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Odd Firewall Rivet Question
    From: Rob Kochman <rv10rob@gmail.com>
    Les, on mine (QB from early 2008), I have empty holes in the WD-1002/3, but no corresponding hole in the firewall. This is consistent with my plans (rev 0). -Rob On Sat, Nov 21, 2009 at 3:02 PM, Les Kearney <kearney@shaw.ca> wrote: > Hi > > > Ages ago, when I completed section 27 ' Firewall, I left 4 rivets open that > did not show on the plans. Just inboard of the engine mount bolt holes on > the WD-1002 / 1003 L&R engine mounts there is a #30 hole. This hole is fo und > in both the firewall and on the engine mounts. Strangely, this =93extra =94 hole > is shown on the WD-1002-R-PC on page 27-2 (fig 2) of Rev 0 of the plans. It > does not appear anywhere else in the plans (that I can find). > > > The rivet call outs on page 27-5 does not reference this hole nor is an > AN426-AD4-5 rivet, the longest callout in the plans, long enough to fill the > hole. > > > Before I fill these four holes with a longer rivet, can anyone tell me wh at > their plans indicate? > > > Inquiring minds need to know. > > > Cheers > > > Les > > #40643 > > > * > =========== =========== =========== =========== > * > > -- Rob Kochman RV-10 "Finishing" Kit Woodinville, WA (near Seattle) http://kochman.net/N819K


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    Time: 12:43:43 PM PST US
    From: "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)" <rvbuilder@sausen.net>
    Subject: Tips on removal of front window and lessons learned
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    Time: 12:49:07 PM PST US
    Subject: Exterior Paint - Alodine first?
    From: "n277dl" <dljinia@yahoo.com>
    Group, I'm getting to the point of painting. I'm working with a local guy that works with a aircraft maintenance / painting facility. Things are slow at work (not many investing in paint jobs on jets or Kingair's :( ) and he has a body shop at his house that we'll use and I plan to paint before first flight. Question is around alodine. On the 7A, I didn't alodine at all but used a self etching primer and sprayed over the top with Imron paint. I've had no problems with the 7A but this time I'm working with a different individual and he is suggesting etch/alodine before paint. I have no bias either way and would tend to allow the "expert" to choose his method. I'm curious if most "professional" shops etch/alodine or simply self etch prime the exterior in prep for paint? Thanks for any information on your experiences. Doug Do not archive -------- Doug &quot;Fools&quot; are always more creative than process people and will always find ways to ruin a perfectly good set of processes. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=274326#274326


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    Time: 12:56:52 PM PST US
    From: Miller John <gengrumpy@aol.com>
    Subject: Re: Exterior Paint - Alodine first?
    I recommend you either use alodine or an etcher called "Prekote". Prekote is much friendlier to work with. Self etching primer does not do the job.... grumpy N184JM On Nov 22, 2009, at 2:48 PM, n277dl wrote: > > Group, > I'm getting to the point of painting. I'm working with a local guy > that works with a aircraft maintenance / painting facility. Things > are slow at work (not many investing in paint jobs on jets or > Kingair's :( ) and he has a body shop at his house that we'll use > and I plan to paint before first flight. > > Question is around alodine. On the 7A, I didn't alodine at all but > used a self etching primer and sprayed over the top with Imron > paint. I've had no problems with the 7A but this time I'm working > with a different individual and he is suggesting etch/alodine before > paint. I have no bias either way and would tend to allow the > "expert" to choose his method. > > I'm curious if most "professional" shops etch/alodine or simply self > etch prime the exterior in prep for paint? > > Thanks for any information on your experiences. > > Doug > > Do not archive > > -------- > Doug > &quot;Fools&quot; are always more creative than process people and > will always find ways to ruin a perfectly good set of processes. > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=274326#274326 > >


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    Time: 02:34:54 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Exterior Paint - Alodine first?
    From: ricksked@embarqmail.com
    I had poor prep results with Prekote, I used SW aluminum etch with a red scotchbrite pad to prep the metal....Prekote requires much more physical labor to work...I know the USAF uses it but they also have endless supplies if energetic Airmen to scrub the air frame with it Rick Sked N246RS Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T -----Original Message----- From: Miller John <gengrumpy@aol.com> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Exterior Paint - Alodine first? I recommend you either use alodine or an etcher called "Prekote". Prekote is much friendlier to work with. Self etching primer does not do the job.... grumpy N184JM On Nov 22, 2009, at 2:48 PM, n277dl wrote: > > Group, > I'm getting to the point of painting. I'm working with a local guy > that works with a aircraft maintenance / painting facility. Things > are slow at work (not many investing in paint jobs on jets or > Kingair's :( ) and he has a body shop at his house that we'll use > and I plan to paint before first flight. > > Question is around alodine. On the 7A, I didn't alodine at all but > used a self etching primer and sprayed over the top with Imron > paint. I've had no problems with the 7A but this time I'm working > with a different individual and he is suggesting etch/alodine before > paint. I have no bias either way and would tend to allow the > "expert" to choose his method. > > I'm curious if most "professional" shops etch/alodine or simply self > etch prime the exterior in prep for paint? > > Thanks for any information on your experiences. > > Doug > > Do not archive > > -------- > Doug > &quot;Fools&quot; are always more creative than process people and > will always find ways to ruin a perfectly good set of processes. > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=274326#274326 > >


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    Time: 02:42:21 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Exterior Paint - Alodine first?
    From: ricksked@embarqmail.com
    Etch and Alodine is the accepted aircraft method....auto body shops use automotive methods except Land Rover...why? Aluminum body..Jet glow-made by SW recommends Alodine under their epoxy primer...so if your painter wants it I'd go with his recommendation....where is he gonna dump it in his garage after he applies it? Rick Sked N246RS Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T -----Original Message----- From: "n277dl" <dljinia@yahoo.com> Subject: RV10-List: Exterior Paint - Alodine first? Group, I'm getting to the point of painting. I'm working with a local guy that works with a aircraft maintenance / painting facility. Things are slow at work (not many investing in paint jobs on jets or Kingair's :( ) and he has a body shop at his house that we'll use and I plan to paint before first flight. Question is around alodine. On the 7A, I didn't alodine at all but used a self etching primer and sprayed over the top with Imron paint. I've had no problems with the 7A but this time I'm working with a different individual and he is suggesting etch/alodine before paint. I have no bias either way and would tend to allow the "expert" to choose his method. I'm curious if most "professional" shops etch/alodine or simply self etch prime the exterior in prep for paint? Thanks for any information on your experiences. Doug Do not archive -------- Doug &quot;Fools&quot; are always more creative than process people and will always find ways to ruin a perfectly good set of processes. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=274326#274326


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    Time: 03:50:07 PM PST US
    From: "Chris Hukill" <cjhukill@cox.net>
    Subject: control stick wiring
    I have received my Infinity grips and am trying to determine how to run the big thick blue cable thru the stick, and out the bottom. Seems to me, there would have to be considerable material removed to route the cable thru the top of the stick where the vertical piece is welded to the curved piece. This is a structural consideration. Another consideration is the bottom of the tube, where there is all kinds of monkey motion to impede upon by that cable. I'm thinking that clamping the cable to the aft side of the stick and away from the bottom prior to the monkey motion, would be must prudent, however, it would not look as cool. Has anyone come up with a good idea for this? Chris Hukill


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    Time: 05:14:20 PM PST US
    From: "Dick & Vicki Sipp" <rsipp@earthlink.net>
    Subject: Re: control stick wiring
    Flight line interiors includes a leather like wrap to cover the stick and an externally attached stick grip cable. It has worked fine for me and I think it looks good. Dick Sipp From: Chris Hukill Sent: Sunday, November 22, 2009 6:47 PM Subject: RV10-List: control stick wiring I have received my Infinity grips and am trying to determine how to run the big thick blue cable thru the stick, and out the bottom. Seems to me, there would have to be considerable material removed to route the cable thru the top of the stick where the vertical piece is welded to the curved piece. This is a structural consideration. Another consideration is the bottom of the tube, where there is all kinds of monkey motion to impede upon by that cable. I'm thinking that clamping the cable to the aft side of the stick and away from the bottom prior to the monkey motion, would be must prudent, however, it would not look as cool. Has anyone come up with a good idea for this? Chris Hukill


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    Time: 06:50:21 PM PST US
    From: Miller John <gengrumpy@aol.com>
    Subject: inner tubes
    Has anyone found a stop leak inner tube for the main gear with a 90 degree valve stem? Grumpy N184JM do not archive


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    Time: 07:18:19 PM PST US
    From: Don McDonald <building_partner@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Re: inner tubes
    >From the people I've talked to, with a stop leak type tube, don't worry abo ut the stem.... you don't have to mess with air pressure but twice a year.. .. -when the weather changes from hot to cold, and cold to hot.... and by then you should ck out your brakes anyway. Don McDonald --- On Sun, 11/22/09, Miller John <gengrumpy@aol.com> wrote: From: Miller John <gengrumpy@aol.com> Subject: RV10-List: inner tubes Has anyone found a stop leak inner tube for the main gear with a 90 degree valve stem? Grumpy N184JM do not archive le, List Admin. =0A=0A=0A


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    Time: 08:08:22 PM PST US
    Subject: Landing lights
    From: "Strasnuts" <sean@braunandco.com>
    2 Duckworks DS1 35w for $740 or the 50w for $500. Why not buy the brighter for less? Anyone know which is better? pros/cons? -------- Cust. #40936 RV-10 SB Fuselage N801VR reserved Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=274373#274373


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    Time: 08:25:29 PM PST US
    From: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
    Subject: Re: Landing lights
    Tough call. I have the 2 35W bulbs, since mine have been around a while. I really think it's nice having the even lighting of doing it on each wing. My old plane had one on the Left, with 2 bulbs, and the distribution wasn't as nice on the right side of the runway. If it were a nose bulb, no big deal, but for a wing it's kind of nice to have one per side. I can tell you that the 35W bulbs are powerful enough in HID form that I wouldn't bother with the 50W unless they were very close in price. The catch is, you're comparing one bulb to two, which makes it a tougher decision. Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD do not archive Strasnuts wrote: > > 2 Duckworks DS1 35w for $740 or the 50w for $500. Why not buy the brighter for less? Anyone know which is better? pros/cons? > > -------- > Cust. #40936 > RV-10 SB Fuselage > N801VR reserved > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=274373#274373 >


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    Time: 08:34:06 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Landing lights
    From: "Strasnuts" <sean@braunandco.com>
    I should have written (2)DS1 35w HID's for $740 or (2)50w HID's for $500. Why is the more powerful light more expensive. 500,000 candle light vs 320,000? -------- Cust. #40936 RV-10 SB Fuselage N801VR reserved Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=274375#274375


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    Time: 09:10:37 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Landing lights
    From: "Strasnuts" <sean@braunandco.com>
    I guess I should read more before I bother everyone on Matronics. I just read about the igniter being installed at the lamp than at the ballast which reduces interference noise and shock. I will do Q and A by myself more often. Thanks Tim, I will be buying the 35w phillips for each wing. -------- Cust. #40936 RV-10 SB Fuselage N801VR reserved Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=274376#274376


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    Time: 09:11:59 PM PST US
    From: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
    Subject: Re: Landing lights
    I can't remember what changed when they came out. I'd call Don and ask personally. It may just be that the 50w are more "common". I suppose some people may want lower power draw too. I think the 50w may be rectangular while the 35w are round but don't quote me on that. Unless quality is different, I'd just go with the cheaper of the two on a new install. You'll love the HIDs! Tim On Nov 22, 2009, at 10:33 PM, "Strasnuts" <sean@braunandco.com> wrote: > > I should have written (2)DS1 35w HID's for $740 or (2)50w HID's for > $500. Why is the more powerful light more expensive. 500,000 > candle light vs 320,000? > > -------- > Cust. #40936 > RV-10 SB Fuselage > N801VR reserved > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=274375#274375 > >


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    Time: 10:33:57 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Landing lights
    From: "Robin Marks" <robin1@mrmoisture.com>
    I have the Duckworth dual 35W and as I have posted many times I think they are fantastic. That being said on my 8A I am placing dual 50W Automotive HID's available online. Something like $135/pair with water proof ballast that you can hit with a hammer (saw it on a video some place). You can even choose the light temperature (color) from a range of about 6. Keep in mind these are bulbs/ballast/wiring, no lens. The lenses are available through any NAPA type place for $6.00 each. The old RV builders use to use these housings all the time for lighting but now they fit HID bulbs. Between the automotive HID & automotive LED position lights plus Strobes N More power supply & strobes and an aviation Strobe/LED tail light I think my entire lighting system is about $500. I think it will compare favorably against any other lighting package out there. Robin -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Strasnuts Sent: Sunday, November 22, 2009 8:33 PM Subject: RV10-List: Re: Landing lights I should have written (2)DS1 35w HID's for $740 or (2)50w HID's for $500. Why is the more powerful light more expensive. 500,000 candle light vs 320,000? -------- Cust. #40936 RV-10 SB Fuselage N801VR reserved Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=274375#274375




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