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0. 12:11 AM - What Are You Thankful For...? (Matt Dralle)
1. 07:21 AM - Happy Thanksgiving!! (ricksked@embarqmail.com)
2. 09:11 AM - Re: Re: G-430/W wont aquire gps signal (Thane States)
3. 10:51 AM - Re: Re: G-430/W wont aquire gps signal (Deems Davis)
4. 11:45 AM - Re: windows & fiberglass (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
5. 02:10 PM - QB Fuel tank issue (Kelly McMullen)
6. 02:31 PM - Re: QB Fuel tank issue (John Trollinger)
7. 02:32 PM - Re: QB Fuel tank issue (John Trollinger)
8. 02:59 PM - Re: QB Fuel tank issue (Johnson)
9. 03:39 PM - Re: QB Fuel tank issue (Jesse Saint)
10. 05:09 PM - riveting the cabin top (Roxanne and Mike Lefever)
11. 05:28 PM - Re: riveting the cabin top (sean@braunandco.com)
12. 05:28 PM - Re: riveting the cabin top (egohr1)
13. 05:38 PM - Re: riveting the cabin top (Rob Kochman)
14. 05:38 PM - Re: riveting the cabin top (Perry, Phil)
15. 05:45 PM - Re: QB Fuel tank issue (Kelly McMullen)
16. 06:36 PM - Defective qb tank (Robert Brunkenhoefer)
17. 06:45 PM - Re: riveting the cabin top (Roxanne and Mike Lefever)
18. 07:57 PM - Re: QB Fuel tank issue (woxofswa)
19. 09:20 PM - Tools for starting on cabin top (woxofswa)
20. 09:23 PM - Re: windows & fiberglass (rvdave)
21. 10:13 PM - Re: QB Fuel tank issue (Don McDonald)
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| Subject: | What Are You Thankful For...? |
Dear Listers,
Here in the United States, Thursday is our National day of Thanksgiving. Many
of us will be traveling to be with our families and friends to share in generous
feasts of plenty and giving thanks for many blessings that have been bestowed
upon us.
Many Listers have expressed over the last couple of weeks how thankful they are
for the Email Lists and Forums here on the Matronics servers and for all of the
assistance and comradery they have experienced being a part of the Lists.
One of my favorite comments is when someone writes to me and says something like,
"Its the first thing I do in the morning while I'm having my morning coffee!".
That's a wonderful tribute to the purpose and function of these Lists.
Its always great to hear I'm not the only one that jumps out of bed each morning
to check my List email!!
Won't you take a minute today and show your appreciation for these Lists and for
their continued operation and upgrade?
The List Contribution Site is:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Thank you in advance for your kind consideration,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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| Subject: | Happy Thanksgiving!! |
Happy Thanksgiving to everyone on the list and their families....Lets not forget
all those deployed in the Military...many of them RV builders who are giving
up this holiday with their loved ones so we can be with ours.
Rick Sked
N246RS
Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
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| Subject: | Re: G-430/W wont aquire gps signal |
Deems, thanks for that info, that may be what it needs. I was not able with
the short flight's to be airborn for more than 10 minutes or so. I hope
that is it.
Thanks,
Thane
----- Original Message -----
From: "Deems Davis" <deemsdavis@cox.net>
Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2009 9:26 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: G-430/W wont aquire gps signal
>
> I've had this problem before, after being down for some period of time.
> The solution for me was to let the GPS search for up to 20-30 minutes. I'm
> not a rocket scientist, but the position of the satellites has likely
> changed since you went down for inspection, and when I talked to the GPS
> gurus' @ Freeflight they said it could easily take 20 + minutes
> particularly if the plane was moved from it's last 'on' position.
>
> Deems Davis
> N519PJ
> www.deemsrv10.com
>
> Thane States wrote:
>> Just wanted to see if anyone has had a similar problem??
>> I have a G-430 /W and after 6 weeks of down time to complete Conditional
>> Inspection, I am unable to get the unit to aquire a signal and thus
>> position. It has done this in the past maybe 5-6 times but always came
>> up within 5 minutes or so. Today I was unable to get to work by powering
>> the unit down.
>> Any ideas or input would be great.
>> Thane States
>> N321BY
>> 80 hrs.
>>
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| Subject: | Re: G-430/W wont aquire gps signal |
Try dragging the plane out of the hangar, powering it up and let it
'search for 30 minutes.
Thane States wrote:
>
> Deems, thanks for that info, that may be what it needs. I was not
> able with the short flight's to be airborn for more than 10 minutes or
> so. I hope that is it.
> Thanks,
> Thane
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Deems Davis" <deemsdavis@cox.net>
> To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2009 9:26 PM
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: G-430/W wont aquire gps signal
>
>
>>
>> I've had this problem before, after being down for some period of
>> time. The solution for me was to let the GPS search for up to 20-30
>> minutes. I'm not a rocket scientist, but the position of the
>> satellites has likely changed since you went down for inspection,
>> and when I talked to the GPS gurus' @ Freeflight they said it could
>> easily take 20 + minutes particularly if the plane was moved from
>> it's last 'on' position.
>>
>> Deems Davis
>> N519PJ
>> www.deemsrv10.com
>>
>> Thane States wrote:
>>> Just wanted to see if anyone has had a similar problem??
>>> I have a G-430 /W and after 6 weeks of down time to complete
>>> Conditional Inspection, I am unable to get the unit to aquire a
>>> signal and thus position. It has done this in the past maybe 5-6
>>> times but always came up within 5 minutes or so. Today I was unable
>>> to get to work by powering the unit down.
>>> Any ideas or input would be great.
>>> Thane States
>>> N321BY
>>> 80 hrs.
>>>
>>>
>>> *
>>>
>>> href="http://www.aeroelectric.com">www.aeroelectric.com
>>> href="http://www.buildersbooks.com">www.buildersbooks.com
>>> href="http://www.homebuilthelp.com">www.homebuilthelp.com
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| Subject: | windows & fiberglass |
I had a post a month or two back about my experiences using the Lord adhesive
recommended by Geoff Combs. It worked really well on the door windows and is
made for our application.
Michael
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of rvdave
Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2009 11:37 PM
Subject: RV10-List: windows & fiberglass
Am at the point of doors, windows, and getting ready to attach plex to fiberglass.
I'm considering using sikaflex, West Marine has the sikaflex291, is this
the one others are using, or is there another? Also, is it common practice to
glass over the window edge to cover the flange/plex bonding point so the adhesive
can't be seen through the window?
--------
Dave Ford
RV6 flying
RV10 building
Cadillac, MI
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=274728#274728
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| Subject: | QB Fuel tank issue |
I discovered that one of my fuel tanks has the vent line improperly
bent in the inboard bay, such that it runs down the middle between the
two stiffeners, leaving no room for the sending unit float, either in
front or behind. Email with Vans has suggested trying to loosen the
nut on the inside to disconnect the vent line, and re-bend it. I think
this might be possible if I pulled the line out perhaps 8-10". Can
anyone comment on feasibility, given the need aftewards to maneuver
the far end back into the clip at the gas cap flange? Obviously all
operations would have to be done by feel with the amount of fingers
that can go into sending unit hole and gas cap flange on other end. I
don't think even a child's hand would go all the way through those
holes.
Just another area of total lack of QC on the QB process.
Kelly
40866
QB wings
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| Subject: | Re: QB Fuel tank issue |
I pulled my vent line out once all my ribs were in place and re-ran it
through the correct holes without any issues.
On Thu, Nov 26, 2009 at 5:09 PM, Kelly McMullen <apilot2@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I discovered that one of my fuel tanks has the vent line improperly
> bent in the inboard bay, such that it runs down the middle between the
> two stiffeners, leaving no room for the sending unit float, either in
> front or behind. Email with Vans has suggested trying to loosen the
> nut on the inside to disconnect the vent line, and re-bend it. I think
> this might be possible if I pulled the line out perhaps 8-10". Can
> anyone comment on feasibility, given the need aftewards to maneuver
> the far end back into the clip at the gas cap flange? Obviously all
> operations would have to be done by feel with the amount of fingers
> that can go into sending unit hole and gas cap flange on other end. I
> don't think even a child's hand would go all the way through those
> holes.
> Just another area of total lack of QC on the QB process.
> Kelly
> 40866
> QB wings
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: QB Fuel tank issue |
never mind, I did not finish reading, my top was not installed yet.
On Thu, Nov 26, 2009 at 5:09 PM, Kelly McMullen <apilot2@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I discovered that one of my fuel tanks has the vent line improperly
> bent in the inboard bay, such that it runs down the middle between the
> two stiffeners, leaving no room for the sending unit float, either in
> front or behind. Email with Vans has suggested trying to loosen the
> nut on the inside to disconnect the vent line, and re-bend it. I think
> this might be possible if I pulled the line out perhaps 8-10". Can
> anyone comment on feasibility, given the need aftewards to maneuver
> the far end back into the clip at the gas cap flange? Obviously all
> operations would have to be done by feel with the amount of fingers
> that can go into sending unit hole and gas cap flange on other end. I
> don't think even a child's hand would go all the way through those
> holes.
> Just another area of total lack of QC on the QB process.
> Kelly
> 40866
> QB wings
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: QB Fuel tank issue |
Get a new sender wire and bend the bugger so that the float runs along
parallel with the vent line. 90 degree bend near the shepards hook. It will
take some patience to get it right, and it will look like a road map, but
your only other answer will involve cutting an inspection hole like the
other RV's. You will need a new wire because by the time you get this groovy
thing bent up its going to take more wire than the standard deal. Dont cut
the wire and put the last little bend in until last...the one that goes
through the sender.....
Cheers..
Evan
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kelly McMullen" <apilot2@gmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 26, 2009 2:09 PM
Subject: RV10-List: QB Fuel tank issue
>
> I discovered that one of my fuel tanks has the vent line improperly
> bent in the inboard bay, such that it runs down the middle between the
> two stiffeners, leaving no room for the sending unit float, either in
> front or behind. Email with Vans has suggested trying to loosen the
> nut on the inside to disconnect the vent line, and re-bend it. I think
> this might be possible if I pulled the line out perhaps 8-10". Can
> anyone comment on feasibility, given the need aftewards to maneuver
> the far end back into the clip at the gas cap flange? Obviously all
> operations would have to be done by feel with the amount of fingers
> that can go into sending unit hole and gas cap flange on other end. I
> don't think even a child's hand would go all the way through those
> holes.
> Just another area of total lack of QC on the QB process.
> Kelly
> 40866
> QB wings
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: QB Fuel tank issue |
From my experience, you should be able to get the line back through
the clip via the fuel filler cap. My recommendation would be to get
someone with fuel tanks still open to try it for you and see if it's
doable.
Do not archive.
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation
jesse@saintaviation.com
352-427-0285
Sent from my iPhone
On Nov 26, 2009, at 5:09 PM, Kelly McMullen <apilot2@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I discovered that one of my fuel tanks has the vent line improperly
> bent in the inboard bay, such that it runs down the middle between the
> two stiffeners, leaving no room for the sending unit float, either in
> front or behind. Email with Vans has suggested trying to loosen the
> nut on the inside to disconnect the vent line, and re-bend it. I think
> this might be possible if I pulled the line out perhaps 8-10". Can
> anyone comment on feasibility, given the need aftewards to maneuver
> the far end back into the clip at the gas cap flange? Obviously all
> operations would have to be done by feel with the amount of fingers
> that can go into sending unit hole and gas cap flange on other end. I
> don't think even a child's hand would go all the way through those
> holes.
> Just another area of total lack of QC on the QB process.
> Kelly
> 40866
> QB wings
>
>
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| Subject: | riveting the cabin top |
So I can no longer avoid it..........I am going to rivet on my cabin top th
is weekend. I have avoided it as long as possible to enjoy the advantage o
f having good access to the tailcone as I discovered more and more things I
wanted to do back there........but I digress.
I saw this morning that the plans call for CS4-4 rivets for attachment of t
he cabin top to the side skins. Has anyone used solid rivets=2C as I clear
ly have access to buck them? Would that be an improvement? Would that pote
ntially damabe the composite from the impact of driving the rivets?
Thanks in advance for any thoughts on it.
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| Subject: | Re: riveting the cabin top |
I read on Tim olsens site that he tried it. I won't
try to remember what he stated but you can look it
up on his site.
Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
-----Original Message-----
From: Roxanne and Mike Lefever <roxianmike@msn.com>
Subject: RV10-List: riveting the cabin top
So I can no longer avoid it..........I am going to rive
t on my cabin top this weekend. I have avoided it
as long as possible to enjoy the advantage of having go
od access to the tailcone as I discovered more and more
things I wanted to do back there........but I digress.
I saw this morning that the plans call for CS4-4 rivets
for attachment of the cabin top to the side skins.
Has anyone used solid rivets, as I clearly have access
to buck them? Would that be an improvement? Would t
hat potentially damabe the composite from the impact of d
riving the rivets?
Thanks in advance for any thoughts on it.
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| Subject: | Re: riveting the cabin top |
the cs-4 rivets will not damage the composite top and are used in shear between
the two aluminum layers. If you use solid rivets you will damage the epoxy /
glass as the rivet expands.
Use the cs-4's
--------
eric gohr
EGOHR86@alumni.carnegiemellon.edu
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=275006#275006
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| Subject: | Re: riveting the cabin top |
I used the CS4-4s. Most people I've talked to who used solid rivets said it
wasn't worth it. Tim's comments sum it up pretty well:
http://myrv10.com/N104CD/fuselage/20050816/index.html
-Rob
On Thu, Nov 26, 2009 at 5:05 PM, Roxanne and Mike Lefever <
roxianmike@msn.com> wrote:
> So I can no longer avoid it..........I am going to rivet on my cabin top
> this weekend. I have avoided it as long as possible to enjoy the advantage
> of having good access to the tailcone as I discovered more and more things I
> wanted to do back there........but I digress.
>
> I saw this morning that the plans call for CS4-4 rivets for attachment of
> the cabin top to the side skins. Has anyone used solid rivets, as I clearly
> have access to buck them? Would that be an improvement? Would that
> potentially damabe the composite from the impact of driving the rivets?
>
> Thanks in advance for any thoughts on it.
>
> *
>
> *
>
>
--
Rob Kochman
RV-10 "Finishing" Kit
Woodinville, WA (near Seattle)
http://kochman.net/N819K
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| Subject: | riveting the cabin top |
I have heard that Van's selected pulled rivets over solid rivets, so we
don't break any glass pounding the rivet head. Ultimately causing
structural issues.
Most people lay a layer of 2 oz glass over the top of the pulled rivets
to hide the rivet heads.
Phil
From: Roxanne and Mike Lefever [mailto:roxianmike@msn.com]
Sent: Thursday, November 26, 2009 7:06 PM
Subject: RV10-List: riveting the cabin top
So I can no longer avoid it..........I am going to rivet on my cabin top
this weekend. I have avoided it as long as possible to enjoy the
advantage of having good access to the tailcone as I discovered more and
more things I wanted to do back there........but I digress.
I saw this morning that the plans call for CS4-4 rivets for attachment
of the cabin top to the side skins. Has anyone used solid rivets, as I
clearly have access to buck them? Would that be an improvement? Would
that potentially damabe the composite from the impact of driving the
rivets?
Thanks in advance for any thoughts on it.
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| Subject: | Re: QB Fuel tank issue |
Thanks Jesse. Don't know anyone in that phase nearby, but will take
careful measurements as to how far I would need to pull the line out
and see how much is on the other end..perhaps borrow a borescope to
get a real good look at it.
On Thu, Nov 26, 2009 at 4:28 PM, Jesse Saint <jesse@saintaviation.com> wrote:
>
> From my experience, you should be able to get the line back through the clip
> via the fuel filler cap. My recommendation would be to get someone with
> fuel tanks still open to try it for you and see if it's doable.
>
> Do not archive.
>
> Jesse Saint
> Saint Aviation
> jesse@saintaviation.com
> 352-427-0285
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Nov 26, 2009, at 5:09 PM, Kelly McMullen <apilot2@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> I discovered that one of my fuel tanks has the vent line improperly
>> bent in the inboard bay, such that it runs down the middle between the
>> two stiffeners, leaving no room for the sending unit float, either in
>> front or behind. Email with Vans has suggested trying to loosen the
>> nut on the inside to disconnect the vent line, and re-bend it. I think
>> this might be possible if I pulled the line out perhaps 8-10". Can
>> anyone comment on feasibility, given the need aftewards to maneuver
>> the far end back into the clip at the gas cap flange? Obviously all
>> operations would have to be done by feel with the amount of fingers
>> that can go into sending unit hole and gas cap flange on other end. I
>> don't think even a child's hand would go all the way through those
>> holes.
>> Just another area of total lack of QC on the QB process.
>> Kelly
>> 40866
>> QB wings
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Defective qb tank |
Why is no one suggesting vans replace the defective tank with one
built correctly . Please do not censor this post.
Sent from my iPhone
Robert E. Brunkenhoefer
Brunkenhoefer Law Firm, P.C.
520 Lawrence St.
Corpus Christi, Texas 78401
Phone: 361-888-8808
Facsimile: 361-888-6753
robert@brunklaw.com
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| Subject: | riveting the cabin top |
Thanks for multiple great replys..........CS4-4s it is!
Subject: Re: RV10-List: riveting the cabin top
From: sean@braunandco.com
I read on Tim olsens site that he tried it. I won't try to remember what he
stated but you can look it up on his site.
Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
From: Roxanne and Mike Lefever <roxianmike@msn.com>
Subject: RV10-List: riveting the cabin top
So I can no longer avoid it..........I am going to rivet on my cabin top th
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va= ntage of having good access to the tailcone as I discovered more and
more t= hings I wanted to do back there........but I digress.
=3B
I saw this morning that the plans call for CS4-4 rivets for attachment of t
= he cabin top to the side skins. =3B Has anyone used solid rivets=2C
as = I clearly have access to buck them? =3B Would that be an improvem
ent? W= ould that potentially damabe the composite from the impact of dri
ving the r= ivets?
=3B
Thanks in advance for any thoughts on it.
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| Subject: | Re: QB Fuel tank issue |
Kelly,
I've got QB tanks not far from you in Mesa. The sender is in one but not the other.
You are welcome to come look at mine if it helps.
Myron
602 421 2868
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Myron Nelson
Mesa, AZ
Emp completed, legacy build fuse in progress
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| Subject: | Tools for starting on cabin top |
Santa's elves have been making inquiries. I was looking at tools for the cabin
top.
A couple of interesting one's are the bandfile and the dual saw / twin cutter (Sear's
version)
Any suggestions?
http://www.sears.com/shc/s/p_10153_12605_00989738000P?keyword=portable+belt+sander
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Myron Nelson
Mesa, AZ
Emp completed, legacy build fuse in progress
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| Subject: | Re: windows & fiberglass |
Sounds good, where can I get the Lord adhesive?
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Dave Ford
RV6 flying
RV10 building
Cadillac, MI
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| Subject: | Re: QB Fuel tank issue |
A little off topic, but as a new guy, I was very interested in the actual a
mount of USABLE fuel in my QB tanks.- So I ran the right tank out in the
air last week, and after getting on the ground was pleasantly pleased to dr
ain a whopping 4oz out.- Then refueled... where the tank took every bit o
f 30 gallons.
Hope all of you didn't eat toooo much today.... but even if you did, it doe
sn't matter.... because we fly the RV10!
Don McDonald
--- On Thu, 11/26/09, Jesse Saint <jesse@saintaviation.com> wrote:
From: Jesse Saint <jesse@saintaviation.com>
Subject: Re: RV10-List: QB Fuel tank issue
>From my experience, you should be able to get the line back through the cli
p via the fuel filler cap.- My recommendation would be to get someone wit
h fuel tanks still open to try it for you and see if it's doable.
Do not archive.
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation
jesse@saintaviation.com
352-427-0285
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On Nov 26, 2009, at 5:09 PM, Kelly McMullen <apilot2@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I discovered that one of my fuel tanks has the vent line improperly
> bent in the inboard bay, such that it runs down the middle between the
> two stiffeners, leaving no room for the sending unit float, either in
> front or behind. Email with Vans has suggested trying to loosen the
> nut on the inside to disconnect the vent line, and re-bend it. I think
> this might be possible if I pulled the line out perhaps 8-10". Can
> anyone comment on feasibility, given the need aftewards to maneuver
> the far end back into the clip at the gas cap flange? Obviously all
> operations would have to be done by feel with the amount of fingers
> that can go into sending unit hole and gas cap flange on other end. I
> don't think even a child's hand would go all the way through those
> holes.
> Just another area of total lack of QC on the QB process.
> Kelly
> 40866
> QB wings
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