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1. 01:04 AM - Re: Tools for starting on cabin top (Perry, Phil)
2. 03:33 AM - Re: Tools for starting on cabin top (Bob Leffler)
3. 05:12 AM - Re: QB Fuel tank issue (Tim Olson)
4. 05:44 AM - Re: Tools for starting on cabin top (Bill Mauledriver Watson)
5. 06:02 AM - Re: Tools for starting on cabin top (Eric_Kallio)
6. 06:54 AM - Re: Re: Tools for starting on cabin top (Seano)
7. 07:49 AM - Re: Defective qb tank (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
8. 07:49 AM - Re: Re: windows & fiberglass (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
9. 08:57 AM - Re: Voyager sale Fri only (orchidman)
10. 09:19 AM - Re: Defective qb tank (Robert Brunkenhoefer)
11. 10:23 AM - Re: Tools for starting on cabin top (woxofswa)
12. 11:49 AM - Re: Re: Voyager sale Fri only (pilotdds@aol.com)
13. 12:54 PM - Re: Re: Voyager sale Fri only (David McNeill)
14. 12:58 PM - Re: Re: Voyager sale Fri only (pilotdds@aol.com)
15. 02:20 PM - Re: windows & fiberglass (rvdave)
16. 02:47 PM - Re: G-430/W wont aquire gps signal (Nick Nafsinger)
17. 03:34 PM - Re: Re: Voyager sale Fri only (Tim Olson)
18. 04:58 PM - Re: Re: Voyager sale Fri only (Robert Brunkenhoefer)
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| Subject: | Tools for starting on cabin top |
I have a Fein Multimaster for making cuts and sanding. My kit is
referred to as the "Top" kit. Most of the time I use the circular blade
and it will cut anything - except skin. (Warning: Don't try it with a
straight blade. Those will cut.)
http://www.fein.de/fein-multimaster/us/en/products/multimaster_top.html
I've used it multiple times throughout the project and it's now a very
valuable tool in the shop. It's a real time saver.
I've frozen plexi and then pulled it out and immediately cut it with the
circular (or semi-circular) blade. It worked just fine without any
cracking at all. It cuts fiberglass too as well as aluminum. The kerf
from the blade is pretty much nonexistent compared to other methods.
Here's some videos.
http://www.fein.de/fein-multimaster/us/en/media/multimaster_video.php
Now for some of the best news. It's nearly a dust free operation.
Since the tool oscillates, it chips away small pieces of material and it
falls straight down on the floor. Some folks will tell you that it
doesn't generate heat, but it does. Not nearly as much as traditional
cutting methods, but anytime you're ripping material apart it's going to
generate some heat. By the way, the set I purchased comes with a shop
vac attachment too.
The Fein Multimaster held the patent for this tool and it recently
expired. This is allowed other companies to come in with knock-off
brands that are much cheaper. The Fein isn't a cheap tool, but it is
the BMW of tool brands.
The knock off versions were available when I bought my Fein, but I still
went ahead with the higher end tool. I decided on the Fein because 1) I
didn't want to buy a disposable tool. If I'm going buy a tool for the
shop, I want to buy the best tool for the job. 2) Performance. The
other tools will work, but they don't cut as effectively. 3) Ergonomics
of the Fein is much better. 4) The Fien's ability to quickly change
blades with the flip of a lever was a selling point too.
The Fein tool travels in a 3.2 degree arc 21,000 times per minute.
Dremel's Multi-Max travels in a smaller arc (1.5 degrees) at 10,000 -
21,000 oscillations per minute.
http://www.dremel.com/en-us/Tools/Pages/ToolDetail.aspx?pid=Multi-Max
Craftsman has come out with a knock-off tool called the Nextec
Multi-tool. It travels 2.8 degrees at 15,000.
http://www.craftsman.com/shc/s/p_10155_12602_00917438000P?vName=Tools+%2
6+Equipment&cName=Power+Tools&sName=Portable+Power+Tools
The Bosch PS50 doesn't state it's arc, but has as oscillation of 20,000.
http://www.boschtools.com/Products/Tools/Pages/BoschProductDetail.aspx?p
id=PS50-2B
You get the idea. I think Harbor Freight has a knock off that they're
selling too.
I've spoken with folks who were happy with their Dremel's, but I don't
have any regrets for spending the extra money on the Fein. I'd like to
get their opinion on the Dremel after they've had a chance to use the
Fein for a while, just to get an opinion with a more realistic point of
reference to compare the two from. I did offer my Fein to a friend
(Dremel user) but he refused to use it because he was afraid it might
cost him $400 in the end to happy again. :)
But it is one awesome tool for the garage and for the house.
Phil
-----Original Message-----
From: woxofswa [mailto:woxof@aol.com]
Sent: Thursday, November 26, 2009 11:19 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Tools for starting on cabin top
Santa's elves have been making inquiries. I was looking at tools for
the cabin top.
A couple of interesting one's are the bandfile and the dual saw / twin
cutter (Sear's version)
Any suggestions?
http://www.sears.com/shc/s/p_10153_12605_00989738000P?keyword=portable+b
elt+sander
--------
Myron Nelson
Mesa, AZ
Emp completed, legacy build fuse in progress
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=275024#275024
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| Subject: | Tools for starting on cabin top |
I bought the Harbor Freight version to trim the cabin cover. I was a little
skeptical at first since it only does 10,000 rpm. For $34.95 I figure it
was worth the try.
The good news is that it cut the fiberglass just fine. I did go through
some blades. After three to four feet of cutting the pink fiberglass, the
blades teeth were worn smooth. I don't know how long the Fein or other
vendors' blades last. But when the HF blade is $5 and the Fein is $40, you
can afford to buy a few more blades.
The blade did get rather hot when cutting the fiberglass, so I'm not sure if
it will be effective on the plexi. I suspect that may be due to the lower
RPM.
It's clearly not as nice as the Fein. I am curious if anyone has attempted
to cut the windows with it yet.
bob
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Perry, Phil
Sent: Friday, November 27, 2009 4:03 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Tools for starting on cabin top
I have a Fein Multimaster for making cuts and sanding. My kit is
referred to as the "Top" kit. Most of the time I use the circular blade
and it will cut anything - except skin. (Warning: Don't try it with a
straight blade. Those will cut.)
http://www.fein.de/fein-multimaster/us/en/products/multimaster_top.html
I've used it multiple times throughout the project and it's now a very
valuable tool in the shop. It's a real time saver.
I've frozen plexi and then pulled it out and immediately cut it with the
circular (or semi-circular) blade. It worked just fine without any
cracking at all. It cuts fiberglass too as well as aluminum. The kerf
from the blade is pretty much nonexistent compared to other methods.
Here's some videos.
http://www.fein.de/fein-multimaster/us/en/media/multimaster_video.php
Now for some of the best news. It's nearly a dust free operation.
Since the tool oscillates, it chips away small pieces of material and it
falls straight down on the floor. Some folks will tell you that it
doesn't generate heat, but it does. Not nearly as much as traditional
cutting methods, but anytime you're ripping material apart it's going to
generate some heat. By the way, the set I purchased comes with a shop
vac attachment too.
The Fein Multimaster held the patent for this tool and it recently
expired. This is allowed other companies to come in with knock-off
brands that are much cheaper. The Fein isn't a cheap tool, but it is
the BMW of tool brands.
The knock off versions were available when I bought my Fein, but I still
went ahead with the higher end tool. I decided on the Fein because 1) I
didn't want to buy a disposable tool. If I'm going buy a tool for the
shop, I want to buy the best tool for the job. 2) Performance. The
other tools will work, but they don't cut as effectively. 3) Ergonomics
of the Fein is much better. 4) The Fien's ability to quickly change
blades with the flip of a lever was a selling point too.
The Fein tool travels in a 3.2 degree arc 21,000 times per minute.
Dremel's Multi-Max travels in a smaller arc (1.5 degrees) at 10,000 -
21,000 oscillations per minute.
http://www.dremel.com/en-us/Tools/Pages/ToolDetail.aspx?pid=Multi-Max
Craftsman has come out with a knock-off tool called the Nextec
Multi-tool. It travels 2.8 degrees at 15,000.
http://www.craftsman.com/shc/s/p_10155_12602_00917438000P?vName=Tools+%2
6+Equipment&cName=Power+Tools&sName=Portable+Power+Tools
The Bosch PS50 doesn't state it's arc, but has as oscillation of 20,000.
http://www.boschtools.com/Products/Tools/Pages/BoschProductDetail.aspx?p
id=PS50-2B
You get the idea. I think Harbor Freight has a knock off that they're
selling too.
I've spoken with folks who were happy with their Dremel's, but I don't
have any regrets for spending the extra money on the Fein. I'd like to
get their opinion on the Dremel after they've had a chance to use the
Fein for a while, just to get an opinion with a more realistic point of
reference to compare the two from. I did offer my Fein to a friend
(Dremel user) but he refused to use it because he was afraid it might
cost him $400 in the end to happy again. :)
But it is one awesome tool for the garage and for the house.
Phil
-----Original Message-----
From: woxofswa [mailto:woxof@aol.com]
Sent: Thursday, November 26, 2009 11:19 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Tools for starting on cabin top
Santa's elves have been making inquiries. I was looking at tools for
the cabin top.
A couple of interesting one's are the bandfile and the dual saw / twin
cutter (Sear's version)
Any suggestions?
http://www.sears.com/shc/s/p_10153_12605_00989738000P?keyword=portable+b
elt+sander
--------
Myron Nelson
Mesa, AZ
Emp completed, legacy build fuse in progress
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=275024#275024
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| Subject: | Re: QB Fuel tank issue |
I did the same once.....same results....I was absolutely AMAZED. Mine
fill with near 31 gallons if I go to the rim.
Tim
On Nov 27, 2009, at 12:12 AM, Don McDonald
<building_partner@yahoo.com> wrote:
> A little off topic, but as a new guy, I was very interested in the
> actual amount of USABLE fuel in my QB tanks. So I ran the right
> tank out in the air last week, and after getting on the ground was
> pleasantly pleased to drain a whopping 4oz out. Then refueled...
> where the tank took every bit of 30 gallons.
> Hope all of you didn't eat toooo much today.... but even if you did,
> it doesn't matter.... because we fly the RV10!
> Don McDonald
>
> --- On Thu, 11/26/09, Jesse Saint <jesse@saintaviation.com> wrote:
>
> From: Jesse Saint <jesse@saintaviation.com>
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: QB Fuel tank issue
> To: "rv10-list@matronics.com" <rv10-list@matronics.com>
> Date: Thursday, November 26, 2009, 3:28 PM
>
>
> From my experience, you should be able to get the line back through
> the clip via the fuel filler cap. My recommendation would be to get
> someone with fuel tanks still open to try it for you and see if it's
> doable.
>
> Do not archive.
>
> Jesse Saint
> Saint Aviation
> jesse@saintaviation.com
> 352-427-0285
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Nov 26, 2009, at 5:09 PM, Kelly McMullen <apilot2@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >
> > I discovered that one of my fuel tanks has the vent line improperly
> > bent in the inboard bay, such that it runs down the middle between
> the
> > two stiffeners, leaving no room for the sending unit float, either
> in
> > front or behind. Email with Vans has suggested trying to loosen the
> > nut on the inside to disconnect the vent line, and re-bend it. I
> think
> > this might be possible if I pulled the line out perhaps 8-10". Can
> > anyone comment on feasibility, given the need aftewards to maneuver
> > the far end back into the clip at the gas cap flange? Obviously all
> > operations would have to be done by feel with the amount of fingers
> > that can go into sending unit hole and gas cap flange on other
> end. I
> > don't think even a child's hand would go all the way through those
> > holes.
> > Just another area of total lack of QC on the QB process.
> > Kelly
> > 40866
> >="http://www.matronics.com/contribution" target=_blank>http://www.matro
> -Mattvigator?RV10-List" sp;--> http://f======================
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Tools for starting on cabin top |
In retrospect, the most valuable tool for me was a belt sander. There
are a lot of straight lines and big curves to fit (green top, pink
cowling and doors) and the belt sander has done the best job for me.
I got two cheap bandfiles from HF via mail order. The 1/2" one was
handy for 2 or 3 cuts. Worth it at less than $50 , but not $100+ worth
it. The bigger bandfile was 2X as useful and that's the one I would get
if I was getting one.
I did get a Fein knock-off. Neat tool, glad I have it, but don't use it
on the plane after some experimentation. If I were more familiar,
perhaps. Just no useful experience at this point.
The handiest tool throughout has been the air powered die grinder with
the thin disks. Fast, accurate and wears well. I'm using them on the
plexiglass now.
I had never realized how abrasive fiberglass is on tools. Once I use a
drill bit on it, I move it to the FG bag. If you use a saw blade on
it, get more than few. If you have a good ($$=hard and durable) Unibit,
keep it off the FG. But a cheap pack from HF on sale and use those on
FG and SS. Or just stick with the HF stuff. And for countersinking,
Perma-Grit tungston carbite 100 degree countersinks will save all your
nice steel ones. They won't go in the countersink cage but trust me,
you can eyeball it. Avery has them.
I made up a tool that really worked well on the top cuts. I get a
couple of blades for a 18volt reciprocating saw with abrasive carbide
coatings (no teeth). They are made for straight cuts on pipe and
stuff. I ground down the blade's depth so that it could turn corners
and found it great for trimming the window holes on the old green top.
Two blades did the whole top. No toothed blade would do that.
I went thru 2 HF air powered reciprocating saws from HF. Tough tool to
handle well but I did cut out the holes for the HID lights with it.
That was scary. They work and <$20 but not worth it in retrospect.
After really getting comfortable with the air die grinder, someone here
suggested checking out the new Dremel mandrels for cutting disks. That
has become one of my favorite tools. Now you have a durable abrasive
wheel for metal or plastic that can be changed out in 10 seconds without
tools. WhooWhee! Neat tool and congrats to Dremel for getting it right
after so many years. It's too small for the plexglass but will do the
job (air die grinder here). But for almost everything else, it is the
easiest to handle and most accurate tool to use.
As I sit here in the middle of my second full fitting of the doors, I
still consider a torch at times but think that would be counterproductive.
Bill "who suggests that a good shop vac with a filter bag is the best FG
tool of all" Watson
woxofswa wrote:
>
> Santa's elves have been making inquiries. I was looking at tools for the cabin
top.
>
> A couple of interesting one's are the bandfile and the dual saw / twin cutter
(Sear's version)
>
> Any suggestions?
>
> http://www.sears.com/shc/s/p_10153_12605_00989738000P?keyword=portable+belt+sander
>
> --------
> Myron Nelson
> Mesa, AZ
> Emp completed, legacy build fuse in progress
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=275024#275024
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Tools for starting on cabin top |
For tools, the Fein really is great. My uncle (a 9A builder) has used it throughout
his project. When helping him before OshKosh this year I became more familiar
with it. I had already done the canopy and doors on my project so it is a
little late for me to invest in the tool. If I hadn't started the top yet it
would be on the top of my wish list. Other knock off tools will get you through
the project eventually. I too have used a lot of Harbor Freight tools, but the
Fein is the best tool for the job.
A MUST HAVE for the job though, are extra drill bits and tools. If it is used on
Fiberglass, it stays on fiberglass. I took the bits I was currently using to
the fiberglass and put new ones on the metal tools. Have good files, drill bits,
and cutting tools to make the project less of a hassle.
Eric Kallio
40518 installing overhead console and awaiting engine
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| Subject: | Re: Tools for starting on cabin top |
I will agree with Bill, The belt sander has been great. I also liked a
diamond bit blade on a jigsaw to cut the rough openings.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Eric_Kallio" <scout019@msn.com>
Sent: Friday, November 27, 2009 7:01 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: Tools for starting on cabin top
>
> For tools, the Fein really is great. My uncle (a 9A builder) has used it
> throughout his project. When helping him before OshKosh this year I became
> more familiar with it. I had already done the canopy and doors on my
> project so it is a little late for me to invest in the tool. If I hadn't
> started the top yet it would be on the top of my wish list. Other knock
> off tools will get you through the project eventually. I too have used a
> lot of Harbor Freight tools, but the Fein is the best tool for the job.
>
> A MUST HAVE for the job though, are extra drill bits and tools. If it is
> used on Fiberglass, it stays on fiberglass. I took the bits I was
> currently using to the fiberglass and put new ones on the metal tools.
> Have good files, drill bits, and cutting tools to make the project less of
> a hassle.
>
> Eric Kallio
> 40518 installing overhead console and awaiting engine
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=275048#275048
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Defective qb tank |
No one censors posts here, that would be Doug Reeves and the Vans AirForce site.
And you are correct, until people start forcing Van's to address their QB
process with replacements, they will most likely not do anything to fix it.
Michael
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert Brunkenhoefer
Sent: Thursday, November 26, 2009 8:28 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Defective qb tank
Why is no one suggesting vans replace the defective tank with one
built correctly . Please do not censor this post.
Sent from my iPhone
Robert E. Brunkenhoefer
Brunkenhoefer Law Firm, P.C.
520 Lawrence St.
Corpus Christi, Texas 78401
Phone: 361-888-8808
Facsimile: 361-888-6753
robert@brunklaw.com
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| Subject: | Re: windows & fiberglass |
Search the archives for the post, I had all the info in there.
Michael
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of rvdave
Sent: Thursday, November 26, 2009 11:22 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: windows & fiberglass
Sounds good, where can I get the Lord adhesive?
--------
Dave Ford
RV6 flying
RV10 building
Cadillac, MI
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| Subject: | Re: Voyager sale Fri only |
Tim Olson wrote:
> Just got the latest newsletter and they claim the lowest prices EVER
> on lifetime chart subscriptions and some other things for Friday only.
> Tim
The price is right except they are not giving credit for existing subscriptions.
They screwed up my Osh order so bad that I have over a years subscription still
on their books. Otherwise I might have jumped on it.
Maybe next year if they offer it again.
--------
Gary Blankenbiller
RV10 - # 40674
(N2GB Flying)
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| Subject: | Re: Defective qb tank |
Thank you for the acknowledgment. I meant no offence. Robert
Sent from my iPhone
Robert E. Brunkenhoefer
Brunkenhoefer Law Firm, P.C.
520 Lawrence St.
Corpus Christi, Texas 78401
Phone: 361-888-8808
Facsimile: 361-888-6753
robert@brunklaw.com
On Nov 27, 2009, at 9:48 AM, "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)" <rvbuilder@sausen.net
> wrote:
> >
>
> No one censors posts here, that would be Doug Reeves and the Vans
> AirForce site. And you are correct, until people start forcing
> Van's to address their QB process with replacements, they will most
> likely not do anything to fix it.
>
> Michael
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-
> server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert Brunkenhoefer
> Sent: Thursday, November 26, 2009 8:28 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV10-List: Defective qb tank
>
> >
>
> Why is no one suggesting vans replace the defective tank with one
> built correctly . Please do not censor this post.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> Robert E. Brunkenhoefer
> Brunkenhoefer Law Firm, P.C.
> 520 Lawrence St.
> Corpus Christi, Texas 78401
> Phone: 361-888-8808
> Facsimile: 361-888-6753
> robert@brunklaw.com
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Tools for starting on cabin top |
Thanks for the info. Anyone try the DualSaw or Twin cutter (same thing different
brands)?
My kids saw the infomercial and told my wife they were going to get it for me,
but I'll head them off if it doesn't serve any worthwhile purpose.
--------
Myron Nelson
Mesa, AZ
Emp completed, legacy build fuse in progress
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| Subject: | Re: Voyager sale Fri only |
I am becoming very concerned with the folks at Voyager. I purchased the Sk
ypad and the lifetime program and I have found both to be very capable, wi
th a few glitches. The departure procedures on the IFR charts apparently
cannot be accessed. Only the first page of the plate shows up and unlike
the AOPA version, you cannot scroll through. Secondly, the radar echoes
and clouds are very intermittently displayed. They seem like very nice fo
lks, but have been unresponsive to my emails, phone calls, and even failed
to have a scheduled teleconference with me. I am concerned about the over
all health of the company and I will continue to attempt to get my questio
ns answered. In the event that I am successful I will place a post. If any
one else has had a different experience, I would love to hear about it. I
have spoken to the secretary who assures me that I will be contacted by
a technical person, but I do not receive a contact. I am not upset at the
company as I do feel it is a good value, I am just concerned about whethe
r they will continue to function and what will happen to these life time
subscriptions and equipment should they fail to be able to provide suppor
t. If you are considering purchase you may wish to take this into consider
ation.
Jim Rore
-----Original Message-----
From: orchidman <gary@wingscc.com>
Sent: Fri, Nov 27, 2009 8:55 am
Subject: RV10-List: Re: Voyager sale Fri only
im Olson wrote:
Just got the latest newsletter and they claim the lowest prices EVER
on lifetime chart subscriptions and some other things for Friday only.
Tim
The price is right except they are not giving credit for existing subscrip
tions.
hey screwed up my Osh order so bad that I have over a years subscription
still
n their books. Otherwise I might have jumped on it.
aybe next year if they offer it again.
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You make a very valid point; A lifetime subscription is only as good of the
health of the company. After I bought and received the whole Glastar kit in
1997, Stoddard Hamilton went into receivership (I only had to fabricate one
part) . This was the number two company in experimental aviation in terms of
stability and kit sales. I bought the complete RV10 package from Sept 2004
to mid 2005; the rush was to get all so I could complete whether or not Vans
survived. These small privately held company financials are either obscure
or unavailable. I bought my Chelton system in the Summer 2005 and insisted
and received shipment to me within 30 days of their receipt of funds
(unfortunately they did not allow credit card purchases which offer some
protection) . After their XBOW/PINPOINT decision, I repeatedly asked them
how they stayed in business, while being unable to deliver the promised
Pinpoints. In December 2007? they did not. Look to the lifetime (strength)
of the company before "buying" the lifetime guarantee.
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of pilotdds@aol.com
Sent: Friday, November 27, 2009 12:44 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Voyager sale Fri only
I am becoming very concerned with the folks at Voyager. I purchased the
Skypad and the lifetime program and I have found both to be very capable,
with a few glitches. The departure procedures on the IFR charts apparently
cannot be accessed. Only the first page of the plate shows up and unlike the
AOPA version, you cannot scroll through. Secondly, the radar echoes and
clouds are very intermittently displayed. They seem like very nice folks,
but have been unresponsive to my emails, phone calls, and even failed to
have a scheduled teleconference with me. I am concerned about the overall
health of the company and I will continue to attempt to get my questions
answered. In the event that I am successful I will place a post. If anyone
else has had a different experience, I would love to hear about it. I have
spoken to the secretary who assures me that I will be contacted by a
technical person, but I do not receive a contact. I am not upset at the
company as I do feel it is a good value, I am just concerned about whether
they will continue to function and what will happen to these life time
subscriptions and equipment should they fail to be able to provide support.
If you are considering purchase you may wish to take this into
consideration.
Jim Rore
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From: orchidman <gary@wingscc.com>
Sent: Fri, Nov 27, 2009 8:55 am
Subject: RV10-List: Re: Voyager sale Fri only
Tim Olson wrote:
> Just got the latest newsletter and they claim the lowest prices EVER
> on lifetime chart subscriptions and some other things for Friday only.
> Tim
The price is right except they are not giving credit for existing
subscriptions.
They screwed up my Osh order so bad that I have over a years subscription
still
on their books. Otherwise I might have jumped on it.
Maybe next year if they offer it again.
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I received a call from a Taylor at Seattle Avionics. He was extremely help
ful and answered all of my questions. There is a way to scroll through and
identify departure procedures in the system and they apologized for the
confusion and lack of response. The satellite imagery is due to a tempora
ry problem with one of their servers. It is a very full featured program.
Happy Thanksgiving everyone,
Jim Rore
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Sent: Fri, Nov 27, 2009 11:43 am
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Voyager sale Fri only
I am becoming very concerned with the folks at Voyager. I purchased the Sk
ypad and the lifetime program and I have found both to be very capable, wi
th a few glitches. The departure procedures on the IFR charts apparently
cannot be accessed. Only the first page of the plate shows up and unlike
the AOPA version, you cannot scroll through. Secondly, the radar echoes
and clouds are very intermittently displayed. They seem like very nice fo
lks, but have been unresponsive to my emails, phone calls, and even failed
to have a scheduled teleconference with me. I am concerned about the over
all health of the company and I will continue to attempt to get my questio
ns answered. In the event that I am successful I will place a post. If any
one else has had a different experience, I would love to hear about it. I
have spoken to the secretary who assures me that I will be contacted by
a technical person, but I do not receive a contact. I am not upset at the
company as I do feel it is a good value, I am just concerned about whethe
r they will continue to function and what will happen to these life time
subscriptions and equipment should they fail to be able to provide suppor
t. If you are considering purchase you may wish to take this into consider
ation.
Jim Rore
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From: orchidman <gary@wingscc.com>
Sent: Fri, Nov 27, 2009 8:55 am
Subject: RV10-List: Re: Voyager sale Fri only
im Olson wrote:
Just got the latest newsletter and they claim the lowest prices EVER
on lifetime chart subscriptions and some other things for Friday only.
Tim
The price is right except they are not giving credit for existing subscrip
tions.
hey screwed up my Osh order so bad that I have over a years subscription
still
n their books. Otherwise I might have jumped on it.
aybe next year if they offer it again.
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N2GB Flying)
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Michael,
You made mention you had some Lord adhesive left over, do you still have any to
sell?
Dave Ford
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| Subject: | Re: G-430/W wont aquire gps signal |
You can also try a factory reset. Hold down the CLR key when powering up. This
clears the internal memory, including any user points and flight plans... Then
let it reaquire (10-20 min).
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| Subject: | Re: Voyager sale Fri only |
I'm actually pretty surprised you had a bad experience with
them in the past. I've actually sent quite a few
emails to their support@ email address in the past...I tend
to be a tough customer sometimes because I push some
feature requests, and ask questions that go in more depth
sometimes than people like to spend time talking about.
But, in all my emails they're usually very very quick in
replying. A few weeks ago a friend who is also a
user of the software saw the clouds (or lack thereof), and
I emailed in and within a couple hours had the answer
that they knew about it and were having problems with
the data feed. Then, a couple weeks ago they had a BETA
software upgrade and I had volunteered a long time ago
to beta test, so I found out about it. I tried it and
found that the new Data Manager feature had a bug in
it if you didn't have a "Flight Guide" subscription. (I don't)
I got a reply right away even though they were at the
AOPA convention. I had a follow-up question that did
take a few days but since they were at the show, I
waited that one out. Then, a few days ago with the
newer rev. of the Data Manager to do automatic chart
and software updates, they came out with a new Beta
version, and mine didn't auto updated. I emailed
support...and mind you this was Wednesday night, late,
the night before Thanksgiving. The company pres. himself
fielded the email with a workaround (which I had already
figured out). I get email replies at all hours,
and they're always very responsive...especially one
of the guys in particular.
Today, with the special they ran for the first 100
customers, it was quite a deal. $230 I think was
the actual discount. $600 for a full lifetime
subscription for Geo-Referenced charts. $400 if you
only wanted IFR charts with no GPS integration.
That's pretty darn good considering the price you'd
pay Garmin/Jeppesen for their offerings, and it
includes far more charts.
I can't speak to the questions of company health,
but I've never seen any reason to doubt it. The specials
they run are usually for limited quantities....like
this one. 100 people got the deal. The rest either
have to wait or can just pass on it. But, it sure
drives the responses. There has only been one
other app that was in the same price/performance
ballpark and that was Golden Eagle Chart Case, and
that is also a great app but I found that the long term
costs were higher, and I'm going into my 3rd year
without paper now. I've already saved enough to
have made it worth while, so if they were gone next
year, I'd still be fulfilled. Jepp has an offering
too, but they're priced so far above that it
isn't really practical for most users. So I don't really
know one way or the other how the health of the company
is, but they've been great to work with for a while
now. If someone feels Chart Case or Jepp is a better
way to go because they think the company is more solid,
I say go for it. You might spend more, or much more
money, but if it makes you comfortable, then do.
It's given good peace of mind to travel and actually
be able to prove I have legal charts for all trips...and
it's been a great cost savings over paper. If you're
flying with no charts, or out of date charts, you've
got a whole different view on what's legal/safe as
I do. To each his own....but isn't that great? There
are some times when passing up a good deal will just
cost a person a lot more in the end...I just think
this was one of them. $400 to have every chart
it takes to be legal for any IFR or VFR flight...
forever. Heck, even 2 years worth would make that
a bargain over paper if you actually use your RV-10
as it was intended.
Tim
pilotdds@aol.com wrote:
> I am becoming very concerned with the folks at Voyager. I purchased the
> Skypad and the lifetime program and I have found both to be very
> capable, with a few glitches. The departure procedures on the IFR charts
> apparently cannot be accessed. Only the first page of the plate shows up
> and unlike the AOPA version, you cannot scroll through. Secondly, the
> radar echoes and clouds are very intermittently displayed. They seem
> like very nice folks, but have been unresponsive to my emails, phone
> calls, and even failed to have a scheduled teleconference with me. I am
> concerned about the overall health of the company and I will continue to
> attempt to get my questions answered. In the event that I am successful
> I will place a post. If anyone else has had a different experience, I
> would love to hear about it. I have spoken to the secretary who assures
> me that I will be contacted by a technical person, but I do not receive
> a contact. I am not upset at the company as I do feel it is a good
> value, I am just concerned about whether they will continue to function
> and what will happen to these life time subscriptions and equipment
> should they fail to be able to provide support. If you are considering
> purchase you may wish to take this into consideration.
> Jim Rore
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: orchidman <gary@wingscc.com>
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Fri, Nov 27, 2009 8:55 am
> Subject: RV10-List: Re: Voyager sale Fri only
>
>
>
> Tim Olson wrote:
>> Just got the latest newsletter and they claim the lowest prices EVER
>> on lifetime chart subscriptions and some other things for Friday only.
>> Tim
>
> The price is right except they are not giving credit for existing subscriptions.
> They screwed up my Osh order so bad that I have over a years subscription still
> on their books. Otherwise I might have jumped on it.
> Maybe next year if they offer it again.
>
> --------
> Gary Blankenbiller
> RV10 - # 40674
> (N2GB Flying)
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=275078#275078
>
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| Subject: | Re: Voyager sale Fri only |
When I bought blue mountain and complained about the product the beta
testers responded by lauding the product and discounting my
complaints. It was at least unhelpful and we all know what happened to
that company. I think it is important that I consider a product in
light of my experience and that of others with them. Beta testers are
those who help develop a product for sale. All that a product is
supposed to do should be up and running at time of sale. Buyers are
not nor should be beta testers unless that is how the item is sold. I
learned this expensive lesson from blue mountain. Enough said. I feel
better. Thanks for listening. Robert
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